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Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 5:30pm On May 18, 2015*

johnw74:
You are weird.

Forget weirdness, just answer the question, so we can move on

johnw74:
Some people cannot admit a wrong,
you are one of them.

This coming from you, shows you come before me, you're miles ahead in not able to admit a wrong

johnw74:
And you reject scripture showing God at times does kill.

Why does God, at times, kill?
How does God, at times, kill?
How did God kill Onan?

johnw74:
And you change scripture from God killed Onan to God allowed Onan to die, to your peril.

Show me which bible translations has not changed what is in the original text.
No bible translation is verbatim, just admit you love your dairy so much, you prefer not to be weaned off it.

johnw74:
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

OK, you asked for it. The gloves come off. Lets do a bit of exegesis on "kill" in Gen 38:10 (i.e. a bit of what does it mean?)
What is the Hebrew word used for "kill" in the original text?
What does that word used for "kill" in the original text mean in Hebrew?

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 7:43am On May 18, 2015

Pr0ton:
One thing leads to another, and we are still in the same context. The fact that you are yet to refute my rubuttals shows how unavoidable the flaw is. Stop the ramblings about moving from one phase to another. Refute, or give up that God was wicked and cruel afterall.

You set off on a wrong foot clutching straws, when you started with Leviticus 18:16 and 20:21.
Now you've come up with this strawman rebuttal that God is wicked and cruel
Bravo, encore!

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 7:27am On May 18, 2015

johnw74:
The word "correction" is funny, God did kill Onan,
and you change what the verse says to, "God permitted him to die".

Gen_19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from Jehovah out of the heavens.

God does at times kill sinners

So if not all times, are you saying, God at times DOESNT kill sinners
What killed Adam in Eden?
I guess by your logic, God did, isnt it?

johnw74:
Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

It's funny you're trying to find refuge in Pro 30:6
It's even more hilarious that you dont realise that out of ulterior motives, hidden agenda, ignorance, lack of understanding Hebraic culture, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic idioms, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic way of speaking or manner of writing etc, a lot was added to the Bible by translators and transliterators

The number one myth about Bible translation is that, it is a word-for-word translation. Words have been added to the Bible, all translated bibles to-date, either had words added or removed. This is for another post

Like I did before, I'll refer you to another one of my earlier post,
where I wrote "Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking"
https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33821241

and https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33823773
where I wrote:
That hebrew word, in Gen 38:10 translated to English, is the verb "to die"
so God allowed Onan to die, as earlier all along implying

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 5:30am On May 18, 2015

johnw74:
You have mentioned often about God not killing,
even in this very same post.

What if I did mention about God not killing?
Is that justification for making up quotes I never said or made?
Is that right for you to take liberties and put words I never said, into my mouth?

johnw74:
That means God doesn't kill sinners, doesn't it, we are talking about the sinner Onan who disobeyed God,
adding sinners to the sentence changes nothing at all, it's adding left out Truth,
we are not discussin God killing the righteous,
but then you have nothing else to grab at, which seems to be your thing.

You brought in sinners and concocted up quotes for me
Notice here, this is my 1st post on the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33752688
and this my 1st post responding to yours on the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33814638

I came in with my first post addressing Onan's motive, what he did not die of etc, then my other 1st post responding to yours was correcting your impression that God killed Onan instead of God permitted he die.

You keep veering and drifting off the original post about God "killing" Onan for spilling on the ground and not impregnasting his brother's wife as per the Levirate law

Now you say you're are talking about the sinner Onan but forget Proverbs 20:9: Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?

All have sinned and fallen short of God's glorious standard. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, sinner or non-sinner, we all at sometime, will die when God allows it.

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 2:43am On May 18, 2015*

wordcat:
You see that you have sense more than ur god.
If ur god had known this, he wouldn't have killed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as a punishment for their sins

My friend, again God doesnt kill
People separate themselves from God by their sins and thereby sooner or later, have death and destruction descend upon them.
They plant the wind and get caught in a whirlwind they harvest

"The wages of sin is death", sin kills, not God,
and God, like Jesus Christ, DOES NOT KILL. God is the source of life (For more details, refer to Genesis 2:7)

johnw74:
Those scriptures telling of God killing the people of sodom and gomorrah must mean something else

It means when God lifts or removes His divine forbearance, people are left to their devices and will have a brush with death, if not outright get killed.
Those people killed themselves with sin, not God.
Remember Galatians 6:7?
It says: Don't be misled--you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.

johnw74:
according to MuttleyLaff, who said: "God doesn't kill sinners, He just lets them die"

God allows both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners to die (i.e. God lets both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners die)
but why do you have to resort to underhand tactics brother?
When and where on this thread did MuttleyLaff ever mention anything about God killing or not killing sinners?
To shore yourself up, you just plucked that quote out of thin air and presented it, as written and posted by MuttleyLaff. SMH, na wa ooo.

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 8:04pm On May 17, 2015

wordcat:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,And god punished Onan by making Onan's mother childless.

Haba Chief, steady now, what's this fabrication "making Onan's mother childless" all about?
Why are you neglecting the remaining sons?
What of Shelah, Perez and Zerah, the other sons?

wordcat:
Did god even consider Er and Onan's mother before killing her children??

People die, at times from sheer foolhardiness
Death is inevitable.
It is unavoidable, to die is certain to happen to everyone.
People kill, God doesnt kill. God doesnt cause the death, He allows or permits it. He allows people to die

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 1:48pm On May 17, 2015*

johnw74:
You are not the only one here who doesn't believe some Bible verses.

What? Interesting.
What has this got to do with me, how did correcting an impression lead to "You are not the only one here who doesn't believe some Bible verses"
Explain yourself or come out of the closest, if you are admitting to be part of the ones, here, who don't believe some Bible verses

johnw74:
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also

The bolded means therefore he allowed him to die (i.e. therefore he died)
We humans kill and murder, God doesnt kill or murder
but He allows people to die after getting killed or murdered by other people
People die from diseases, people die of old age, people die in airplane crashes, people die of all sorts
Randy people too, possibly like Onan, die, when permitted or allowed to.

That hebrew word, in Gen 38:10 translated to English, is the verb "to die"
so God allowed Onan to die, as earlier all along implying

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 1:15pm On May 17, 2015

johnw74:
It doesn't matter how Jehovah killed them, in this case God saw to it that they did not live out their number of days, God killed Er and Onan,

They lived all the days, they were permitted to to live

johnw74:
they didn't just die and pass away having lived all their days.

How then do people die please?

johnw74:
He didn't live out his full number of days because Jehovah cut them short, killed him,
like the scriptures say.

What is "he didn't live out his full number of days"?
How does "Jehovah cut them short"?
How does Jehovah kill?. How did "Jehovah kill him"?

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 12:04pm On May 17, 2015*

johnw74:
10What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight;
so the LORD put him to death also.

God permitted him to die and God allowed him to give up the ghost
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

he died, and passed away
is not the same as
the LORD put him to death

Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking.

God forbid, but if anyone should happen to kick the bucket now, please be honest, regardless of how that one got put to death, who allowed or permitted that death to happen?

You do know that Satan has the power of death (For details, refer to Hebrews 2:14, Job 2:6 etc)
BUT, IT IS ONLY WHEN GOD PERMITS OR ALLOWS, that Satan is able to wield this power
or in a lighter mood, it's only after that permit, that the Grim Reaper is allowed to show up and make a claim

If God put His foot down, you think Onan could have given up the ghost. No!

If not for God, we'll be dropping like flies, dead, right now
It is God holding death at arms length and shielding us from it.
He makes sure we dont go before our time.
Bottom line, God does not, in the real sense, kill,
and certainly, God, in Genesis 38:10, did not in the literal sense, kill Onan, my brother.

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 6:51am On May 17, 2015*

johnw74:
Gen 38:8 And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to your brother.
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his. And it happened when he went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled on the ground, not giving seed to his brother.
Gen 38:10 And what he did was evil in the eyes of Jehovah. Therefore He killed him also.

"Therefore He killed him also" means God permitted him to die. God allowed him to give up the ghost.
In any case, sooner or later, Onan would have died, it's just a matter of time.
We all, are going to die, we all die anyway,
so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

johnw74:
I won't try and find the verses,

The following are the verses
Deuteronomy 25:5-6
5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child,
the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:
her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife,
and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead,
that his name be not put out of Israel.

johnw74:
but I recall in those times, it was lawful for a man to Marry and have intercourse with his brothers widow for the purpose of producing offspring.

This is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage and it only applies, if the widow, is childless.
If she isnt childless, this law does not apply and the brother-in-law has no business considering or thinking of seeing his sister-in-law's nãkedness

johnw74:
This man had intercourse with his brothers widow only for his own pleasure and not in getting a family for his dead brother.

First-borns inherit DOUBLE PORTIONs of estate or lands as inheritance,
now if Onan should provide the widow with a child, he, Onan by virtue and position of next in line after the death of the childless first-born, Er, his elder brother, will lose out in having the DOUBLE PORTION inheritance of the estate or land.

Onan's long throat is why he didnt want a family for his dead brother. A family for his dead brother, will be getting in his way of having this DOUBLE PORTION inheritance of the estate or land
Denying the widow justice with his plan and greediness to possess more than what he deserves is what he died from

johnw74:
He disobeyed God and paid the price

Genesis 38:8-10
8Then Judah said to Onan,
“Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”
9[size=20]But Onan knew that the child would not be his;
so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife,
he spilled his sęmęn on the ground
to keep from providing offspring for his brother.[/size]
10What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight;
so the LORD put him to death also.

Note the "WHENEVER", in the above verse, this implies he disobeyed God SEVERAL TIMES (i.e. more than one time),
anyway his number or time was up. His time came up, hence he died, and passed away.

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 5:28pm On May 16, 2015

Pr0ton:
We can quote the Bible

Ignoring the Levirate law or levirate marriage, you started with a T-shirt quoting Leviticus 18:16, then frog leaped to Leviticus 20:21,

Now with your three rebuttals, we have you putting up a strawman and putting forward things that has noting to do with the original post,
of which the original poster (i.e. Xcozee), about Genesis 38:8, in quotes, made this statement:
"Don't think otherwise or be carried away! I was also surprised on seeing it! I don't think such can be in a new testament!"
Genesis 38:8
Then Judah said to Onan, "Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother."

Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 10:02am On May 16, 2015*

Pr0ton:
That's the law of God:

NET Bible
If a man has sexual intercourse with his brother's wife, it is indecency. He has exposed his brother's unclothedness; they will be childless. Lev. 20:21

Please DON'T misuse or distort this verse.
Having sexual intercourse with your brother's wife as per being a widow, and in line with the Levirate Law or Levirate marriage,
is different to having sexual intercourse with your brother's wife when your brother is still alive and kicking or living.
The two are chalk and cheese, they arent the same bro.

Time permitting, I later might or will revist to address your three rebuttals.

Travel › Re: Pictures Of Travellers "Fighting" To Board Arik Air by MuttleyLaff: 9:42am On May 16, 2015

MAYOWAAK:
This worrisome incident happened at the Abuja Airport today.
A flight that was scheduled to leave Abuja for Lagos by 3pm finally took off after a four(4) hours delay
and trust Nigerians who appears too docile to ask questions ran to the tarmac
and started struggling with one another to gain entry into the aircraft.

https://s12.postimg.org/gx0egt9i5/oyinbo.jpg

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Christianity Etc › Re: Rev Fr Chiedozie Modestus Chilaka by MuttleyLaff: 8:25am On May 15, 2015

anyiway:
This priest performs wonders. I have witnessed his miracles on several occasions. What then could be the problem? Jealousy or what?

kevoh:
Let's have a video or two of his miracles when next you witness such, I'm sure everyone has a camera phone these days.

https://www.nairaland.com/2314872/fake-miracles-reverend-father-modestus#33749512
Fake miracle.
Pay attention to 2:20–2:30 minutes section of the video,
you will notice a young man drop a black polythylene bag in front of the sick man from where two dead lizards popped out from
- © manuch(m)

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Christianity Etc › Re: 87% Of Christians Probably Don't Know This Verse In The Bible. @pix by MuttleyLaff: 7:10am On May 15, 2015*

Alwaystrue:
Onan went against the whole point of the union.
He was to go into her so she could bear seed.
He went against the agreement.
Rather than reject the whole idea outright and even her just like Boaz kinsman refused to take Ruth as wife so Boaz had the right to,
Onan should have let the other brother do it, he preferred to enjoy the experience yet deny her having the child which was seen as wickedness.
Deuteronomy 25:5-6 was the statutes and judgements in Israel Onan went against.

cc Xcozee, wordcat, Pr0ton, anukulapo, mikesaj, DProDG

johnydon22 is incorrigible on this matter
Read his antics here https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33411536

Deuteronomy 25:5-6, is the Levirate law or Levirate marriage
Something similar to this, in some areas in our moden age, is still practised, but the Levirate law had a purpose for those people at that time and a very improtant purpose at that era (ref: Deuteronomy 7:2-4, Jeremiah 16:2-3

God ordinarily has no qualms with withdrawals,
in fact, Onan doing withdrawal method is acceptable with any other female
but oh no, the withdrawal method IS NOT acceptable by Onan with this special and particular female
especially not when she hasnt got a heir yet to inherit or claim the firstborn's (i.e. Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn) double portion of inheritance

It is "Alwaystrue" that with no recourse, Onan could have passed on his responsibilty to another
but for the benefit of all and for a full understanding of this situation, it should be noted that Onan if not for a selfish and hidden agenda ought not to reject the whole idea.

Onan didnt mind part of the whole idea, we note, his focus and sole motive whilst enjoying some of the benefit of the idea, IS TO SHIRK RESPONSIBILTY of the whole idea and to repeatedly pull fast ones on the widow, his brother wife.

What was Onan going to gain or benefit from denying this widow having a child or seed?
What is going to be the impact of his act on the present and future welfare or quality of life of this widow?
How many times did Onan do this? Was it once or several times, before God said "Right, this is enough, you're out"

Onan didnt want to raise an offspring or child for his brother that will inherit the first born portion inheritance
This is what in God's eyes is cruel and wicked
If Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn, died because of wickness, Onan's act must have been of the same wickedness gravity to have to die off it.

Lets be honest, imagine how many in the world, should have been dead or would be dead by now, especially at this time of posting, if Onan really died because of sheer masturbâtion

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die For His Sin Or Cluelessness? by MuttleyLaff: 10:41pm On May 13, 2015

B4113y:
I don't understand how people can believe in God and I have one simple reason over all my other reasons why he doesn't exist.

Believing or belief in God is a faith thing, a grace thing, and also a gift, free to all

B4113y:
People say God's love is unconditional, he even killed his son (who was really himself) for us to all be forgiven?

Yes, God's love is agape, unconditional.
His Son (incidentally who really is Him, God) died for us. His Son was set up and killed by men but not killed by God

B4113y:
But isn't that in itself a horrendous and horrible act?

Yes, it is a horrendous and horrible, but it is leading by example, a demonstration of selflessness, showing great concern for other people and little or no concern for yourself
or for our sake, dying to self as it were

B4113y:
If God loved us so much, why does he punish us rather than lead us down the right road?

The Lord's Prayer has all the leads we ever need
For example, the proper rendering from Aramaic of "Give us this day our daily bread" part of The Lord's Prayer is:
"Give us this day our NEEDFUL TRUTH, NEEDFUL UNDERSTANDING from day to day"

Also the proper rendering from Aramaic of "And lead us not into temptation," another part from The Lord's Prayer is:
"And DO NOT LET US ENTER into temptation,"
or this Benjamin Franklin version: "Keep us out of trouble"

All signposts needed for this journey on earth are in the Lord's Prayer

B4113y:
Why do hundreds of people die everyday by things they cant even control like starvation, thirst, slavery abuse and everything else on the list?

I can give becauses to no ends
but will be content with because "starvation, thirst, slavery abuse and everything else on the list" comes with opening the pandora jar

B4113y:
Why are little children who haven't even had a chance to be born into the world and discover God born into poverty or genocide?

because He has a bigger plan, remember He said: "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who are like these children.
Also Paul wrote:
But--to use the words of Scripture--we speak of things which eye has not seen nor ear heard,
and which have never entered the heart of man: all that God has in readiness for them that love Him

B4113y:
Like what the hell?

If venting fury, will help, please vent shedloads but do not mistake that God has lost control or is out of control. God is very much in control of all things

B4113y:
You love us so much

Is God to be blamed for making Himself vulnerable?
God's love can not be questioned or can not be doubted. Are parents' love ever questioned or ever doubted?
I doubt, even when things didnt look that rosy, that you've for a second, ever doubted your Mum's love for you

B4113y:
yet you decide since Eve ate a damn fruit, we all suffer.

The ground being cursed because of Adam is why we all suffer

B4113y, you no doubt have a bone, a very big bone for that matter, you want to pick with God.
This is allowed, as a lot seems to be bothering and bugging you
but also learn to always look on the bright side of life, as this side of life, is extremely very small when compared with the other side of it and eternity
God is just, fair and right so allay whatever fears, concerns etc you might have been harbouring

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die For His Sin Or Cluelessness? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On May 13, 2015*

Geegee145:
JESUS died to wash our sins away. He knew he would die. He didn't die out of cluelessness.

musKeeto:
He died for being stupid.
A carpenter's son should know better than boast of being God's son. What an insult to the Yahweh worshipping community.

Guess who said:
"The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again.
No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.
For this is what my Father has commanded."

Guess who said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani"
Guess what it really means?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Owner Of That Fowl That Crow When Peter Betray Jesus by MuttleyLaff: 5:52pm On May 13, 2015

Orunto:
Very good piece.
This will surely make the world move faster. I like it all.
The Bible you write will be interesting to read.
God bless u my friend,

Pass on that, dont want to grapple or wrestle with translation and transliteration decisions
We all need God's blessings

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Prayer? by MuttleyLaff: 3:02am On May 12, 2015*

ifeness:
Well the Jews stole their stories from the Egyptians and gave them Hollywood ending. That is why Jesus is fake. Horus is the main guy.

The Jews did not steal any story from the Egyptians, they werent into Hollywood ending
It is the other way round, Jesus is real, Horus is fraud

ifeness:
Jesus is actually a fake account.

How? In what way? If you try, bet you can do better than this

Misogynist2014:
Very funny, read the Wikipedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Very funny indeed, Wikipedia, the breeding ground for spreading and encouraging ignorance
I wonder what other source apart from Wikipedia he will next spring up

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Prayer? by MuttleyLaff: 10:06pm On May 11, 2015

ifeness:
But you do know the original story of Jesus is from Horus right?

I do know the Horus story is studded with half-truths, unbelievable distortions and downright falsehoods when claiming parallels with Jesus'

ifeness:
There was never a Jesus.

So I read you say

Misogynist2014:
Evidence, preferably manuscripts.
Did you know that Our Lord was prophesied in the OT? Since you have no concrete evidence, you'll have to believe by faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen).

You beat me to the draw. I was just about asking him of same. What is the primary source of this fantasy claim

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Prayer? by MuttleyLaff: 9:18pm On May 11, 2015

ifeness:
What is Aramaic.

Aramaic is a Semitic language, it is the tongue which Jesus Christ taught and preached in

ifeness:
What is it in Yoruba?..

Aramaic is Aramaic in Yoruba, just as Yoruba is Yoruba in Aramaic.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Prayer? by MuttleyLaff: 8:50pm On May 11, 2015

ifeness:
Prayer is a permission slip. Everything you beggars are begging for already exist.
You only need to attract them with positive thoughts.
There is no miracle, just materialised thoughts. Beggars will always lack.

Trap them, more like, if going back to basics and going by the meaning of prayer in Aramaic

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Prayer? by MuttleyLaff: 8:23pm On May 11, 2015

paxonel:
we read in the bible how the disciples asked Jesus "teach us how to pray "
the question that often come into my mind is, After telling the disciples what to ask when they pray, Did Jesus meant that these prayer points should be voiced out systematically or emotionally, otherwise, the prayer will not be answered.?
How about those who decides to think rather than voicing their prayer points out for people to hear, are they not praying.
i heard someone says prayer is thinking about the prayer points , rather than talking it out or shouting, That God hear us louder when we think .
while most Christians will voice out aggresively and speak in tongues for hours , others will remain silence,thinking for few seconds . Yet they are all praying and they will get the same result

Prayer in Aramaic means Trap
The word, prayer or the verb, to pray, in the Aramaic tongue which Jesus taught with, means to "trap the presence of God, trap all the Goodness of God there is etc"
and as a matter of fact, the Lord's Prayer, actually is a mini gospel as everything Jesus taught is in that prayer

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Owner Of That Fowl That Crow When Peter Betray Jesus by MuttleyLaff: 7:07pm On May 10, 2015*

ALABIFAITHFUL77:
please my follow nairalanders is there any who knows the name?

Who Is The Owner Of That Fowl That Crow When Peter Betray Jesus?
Good question, only that there was no fowl that crowed,
so therefore, there is no owner, and consequently no name for the owner of an imaginary fowl.

An2elect2:
Are some peopl deliberately being stupidd? They never ask the important questions

SMH. There are no stewpid questions, stewpid people dont ask questions

People dont deliberately set out being stewpid when the question asked, is a cry to understand the Bible more.
It is no stewpid question, neither is it an umimportant questions to ask.
Asking important questions dont come as good as this one

In fact, asking important questions like these, changes teachings done in error and bursts wide open Christian fabrications

We all know the New Testament was written 100-300 years after Jesus Christ died
and it is important questions like these that makes one realise that there's quite a whole deal more in the Bible than meets the eyes
also that a lot got lost in translations from Hebrew to Greek to English due to not being familiar with Jewish idioms, customs, Temple activities etc

tpiadotcom:
why do you need to know the name?

To learn something from knowing the name or anything about it? huh

christofa1:
The fowl belonged to the wife of Ananais, the high priest. She was to kill it to celebrate passover, then Jesus was arrested and the fowl escaped.

Wow, anyway to start with Caiaphas was the high priest and not Ananais
Back on track, on the contrary, Caiaphas didnt own a fowl, neither did his wife, nor did Ananais or Sapphira his wife, own fowls

Orunto:
Please my follow nairalanders is there anyone who knows the name of the owner of the fowl and the fowl? No!!!!

Yes no, as no fowls were allowed in Jerusalem at that time, so no one owned fowls and so there aren't any names of owners of fowls in Jersualem then, to give you or the original poster.

ALABIFAITHFUL77, dewstar, blessin30289 and Orunto, do not think that the most popular view about what the rooster is, is the truth because it actually is not.

Without bogging you down or boring you with too much details, the rooster or fowl in the original Aramaic/Hebrew form is "gever", "geber", "gaver" or "gawra", this is mistranslated and in both Greek and English, ended up being tagged as our feathered friend, fowl or cóck-a-doodle-doo Mr rooster

Anyway, from here on, I am sticking to using only "gever" for the rest of the post.

Now, "gever" is man. "Gever" means man and you wont be far from the truth if you assume this man to be like a town crier,
but there is more to it, as he actually is like the Muslims' muezzin, the man who from the mosque's tower, announces the time for prayers and the call to Muslims for prayer and worship services

The "gever" as a matter of fact, as opposed to being a "town crier" or "Muslims' muezzin" actually is the Temple Crier
In the temple courtyard, just like the "Muslims' muezzin" does, the Temple Crier's priestly duty is to call out to begin service
and he would announce or call out something, similar to the following effect:
"Rise up, all the priests, to your service, prepare to sacrifice!"
"All the Levites to your stations!"
"All the Israelites to your posts, come to worship!"

It was this priest’s call to service, made in the or from the temple courtyard and not far from the kangaroo court where Jesus Christ was being interrogated, that was heard by Peter and not the sound of a crowing fowl

missKiffy, Jesus, in effect prophesied that before the "gever" (i.e. the Temple Crier) makes the announcement (i.e. phóneó - to call out) for service, Peter would have denied him three times and as we all know, this prophecy came to pass, just as prophesied, it got fulfilled to a tee.

Imagine. Trust we all would agree, how heart wrenching and painfully torn between the conscience, it would be for one, if immediately after denying Jesus, one heard this call to prepare to sacrifice, call to service and called to be at a post which one has three times denied and vacated.

Matthew 26:75
Suddenly, Jesus' words flashed through Peter's mind:
"Before the ~~man~~ rooster ~~calls~~ ~~out~~ crows, you will deny three times that you even know me."
And he went away, weeping bitterly.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can God Create A Mountain That God Can't Move? by MuttleyLaff: 3:00am On May 08, 2015

Redlyn:
That is a classic paradox if you actually know what the word means.

UyiIredia:
Ihedinobi has already done that. Your question is as silly as asking for man to make a sentence he cannot understand.

Some just like refusing to stay "down" after getting knocked to the canvas by ihedinobi2's thread-killer post

They have been told it is a pointless question, just like ihedinobi2 earlier hinted
IMHOit is a pointless question that has no answer,
as this exercise for God, thought up by the original poster is a never-ending one called the "Sisyphean Task"

You will find that almighty God will create a task that's so huge even he can't move or do
but when it comes to moving/doing it, He moves/does it.

So almighty God will create a task that's so huger than the earlier one even he can't move or do all over again
but when it comes to moving/doing it, He moves/does it, again

The cycle or repetition, goes on, constantly repeating over and over again, indefinitely as in on to infinity
Soon realise this is a never ending task
and you wont get an answer to your question because it is an unending and futile task asked off God by OP

The question of God creating something He cant move, is unnecessary,
as there is no outcome capable of producing any useful answer or response the OP anticipates

One wonders if DProDG and his tag team friend Redlyn can explain what they find paradoxical in the question which asks:
Can almighty God create a task that's so huge even he can't do?

The question, without resorting to preemptive tactics, simply, demanded a binary answer

Christianity Etc › Re: Exact Facts Of Pastor Anita's Divorce Papers by MuttleyLaff: 2:32am On May 08, 2015

deborah777:
I have not thought about it so but still i really do not understand this policy of ce.
I am wondering what gave reason for working this out? Rev Anita moving to England in the name of expanding the ministry?!
Concerning her diary you never do not know

If the shoe was on the other foot, would you do?

Christianity Etc › Re: Exact Facts Of Pastor Anita's Divorce Papers by MuttleyLaff: 6:29am On May 05, 2015

deborah777:
This is the rules in ce i do not understand.
Why wife and husband should worship in different churches?
It is weird.

Moses had his wife Zipporah, sent back to Jethro, his father in law,
so I dont think its something new or weird.

deborah777:
Thanks for pointing it out.
I am already expecting her biography or diary to read that will opens all the secrets.

You'll be waiting a long time as that is not going to happen

Christianity Etc › Re: Please How True Is This Pic? by MuttleyLaff: 9:12pm On May 04, 2015*

johnydon22:
Hiaaaaaan, is it by force to pour inside ....

In this particular case, yes it is angry

It however is more of an expected duty or responsibility, and nothing really to do with force,
the repercussion of not rising to the task can be fatal, this, Onan soon, though late, found out.

johnydon22:
you never hear of withdrawal method ni?

Yes I have heard of withdrawal method and used it severally,
Onan doing withdrawal method is acceptable with any other female
but oh no, the withdrawal method IS NOT acceptable by Onan with this special and particular female
especially not when she hasnt got a heir yet to inherit or claim the firstborn's (i.e. Onan's brother, Er is the firstborn) double portion of inheritance

johnydon22:
LMFAO....

You really are doing an excellent job fending off any understanding as to why Onan didnt want to willingly pour
Watching your antics and reading all your posts, the joke is on you my friend. ROTBL... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Please How True Is This Pic? by MuttleyLaff: 8:41pm On May 04, 2015

johnydon22:
hahahahahaha another long yarn

hehehehehehe omo am bored.. oya lets start again.

[size=20] The dude was killed because he didnt pour inside the punany[/size] puhahahahahaha

OK. Why didnt he pour inside
Remember you forming at Ugojames or loomer with "dont you have a bible at home"
https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33387661

Christianity Etc › Re: Please How True Is This Pic? by MuttleyLaff: 8:20pm On May 04, 2015

johnydon22:
finally thats all i have been yapping here since

Of course, you have been yapping,
but you actually have been yapping like a puppy, up the wrong tree

johnydon22:
and you have been running around mustering up defence..choi

Sorry the temptation to say "Welcome Johny-Come-Lately" at this point, is too strong to resist
How you can read from the onset https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33404282
and still need corraling to the facts and truths beats me

johnydon22:
...nothing more to say.....

Bet you would have nothing more to say
now please dont forget your Chance card, "ADVANCE TO GO. COLLECT $200"

johnydon22:
You just helped make my point..thanks for that..

I didnt have to, the point, fact and truth were made from the onset buddy
Before you started making a meal of this thread and trying to complicate it, the point was already made at:
https://www.nairaland.com/2292179/please-how-true-pic#33404282

johnydon22:
. . . just a question, you get long yarn as defence..lmao..

... just an answer to that. It's you who made a meal out of it...
you tried making a simple event overly complicated ROTBL grin

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