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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 4:48pm On Jul 11, 2020

prekumohtim:
Satan is not a man, he's spirit. An angelic being

[img]https://s4/images/orijin-bitters.jpg[/img]
Word. Gbam.

Somebody please pass this my guy, prekumohtim, this chilled bottle of orijin. Plus send him a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him sharp sharp, next governor of his state of origin.

Right on point on all accounts. Wehdone Sir! Please drink responsibly though.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 4:43pm On Jul 11, 2020

letu:
You mean Sunburn, this is not a good thing for someone suffering from it and always a painful experience for them, sunburn do lead to SKIN cancer .

Yup, when as white -skinned person, you are not sensibly exposed to the sun, then you're likely to get skin cancer, especially if you aren't that blessed with a good genetic lottery

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 3:56pm On Jul 11, 2020*

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Oar bark or tannum

donnie:
Ole! ...your whitish Jews don't turn black or dark under the sun, they burn and turn pink or red.

Baba, upon prolonged exposure to sun, white skin people turn red, and also do turn dark brownish as well, just as I earlier above have said above. Some react good to tanning, some don't. They tan, ending up with a skin colour, ranging from anything of light red to very dark reddish brown like colour spectrum.

The word tan, is a pale tone of brown. The name is derived from tannum (i.e. oak bark) used in the tanning of leather. Oak bark, by the way, has silvery-brown bark

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 12:00pm On Jul 11, 2020*

letu:
FROM YELLOW TO RED FROM RED TO YELLOW now I've answered your question can we move to the next one .

Reddish brown tone is present in all the three fundamental types of humanity, black, yellow and white skin. I have just returned back from the high street, I noticed this usually pale very white skin market trader is now spotting and wearing a very dark brownish tanned skin tone, completely contrasting his usually ivory and/or milk of magnesia skin complexion.

"⁵Dark am I, yet lovely, daughters of Jerusalem,
dark like the tents of Kedar, like the tent curtains of Solomon.
⁶Do not stare at me because I am dark, because I am darkened by the sun.
My mother’s sons were angry with me and made me take care of the vineyards;
my own vineyard I had to neglect."
- Song of Solomon 1:5-6

I have already numerous times, advanced that reddish brown skin complexion has a light reddish brown and dark reddish brown hue spectrum, so you I suppose are gravitating to fall in the extreme end side of the dark reddish brown hue spectrum. The shepherdess, who, as seen in Song of Solomon 1:5-6 above, was that dark reddish brown skinned (i.e. upper end of the olive-skinned/reddish brown spectrum) she felt, she had to apologise to the other light reddish brown skinned women of Jerusalem for her darkness. There are black skinned people, white-skinned people and the reddish brown skinned people (i.e. olive skinned or yellow skinned people groups)

Now the next simple and easy not life threatening questions, I'll ask you letu are:
1/ Are you white skinned or you are black-skinned?
2/ Who are black skinned? What race or regions are black skinned from?
3/ Who are white skinned? What race or regions are white skinned from?
4/ Who are "reddish ebony brown" skinned? What race or regions are "reddish ebony brown" skinned from?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 11:55am On Jul 11, 2020

letu:
let's leave that one for now and focus on the next one .

"And the exiles of this host of the sons of Israel, Who are among the Canaanites as far as Zarephath, And the exiles of Jerusalem who are in Sepharad Will possess the cities of the Negev."
- Obadiah 1:20

Check the two posts above. I have made myself very clear enough. There are "black", "white" and "yellow" skinned, three fundamental types of humanity. I have extensively explained who the Sephardim Jews are

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 11:41am On Jul 11, 2020

letu:
Dude you like to change goalposts too much, why can't you stay on your line? is it that too much that you choose to change like a cameleon inwhich you switch from from your original concepts which is present Israel is the real and original while the so called black ones are fake, just stay on your line (concepts) enough of your shifting goalposts tactics so that those that are reading this post will be able to grasp what your saying .

MuttleyLaff:
Kindly, number up, in a list, all the goalposts I allegedly have changed please

Please, first things first. Where are the numbered and listed out, all the goalposts I allegedly have changed please.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 11:36am On Jul 11, 2020

Page 49 "Sources of History in the Pentateuch" by Samuel C. Bartlett

... we find the three fundamental types of humanity, the black man, [color=yellow]the yellow man[/color] and the white man.

MuttleyLaff:
Now, fyi, those "Even the Sephardic (from Spain and Portugal)" are xanthous, (i.e. the yellow man) and never known to be black/very dark. Please don't arguing blindly calling them white, lmao and I did not use pictures of white people to represent them. The people in those pictures are not white people, but are people having yellowish, auburn, reddish brown skin or skin marked by coloration that isn't white or black. They are marked by yellow/olive hues

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:45am On Jul 11, 2020

Maximus69:
Thanks God i'm not a freethinker!

So how do you know that one is knowledgeable if the person you're comparing him with doesn't even exist?

Inasmuch as you exercise freewill, then you, at some level, are a freethinker, my dear loving friend.

God, the Father, is real. God, Jesus, the Son, is real. God,, is real. God, appearing as a flame on bush, that wasn't not burning, is real. God that appeared as a pillar of fire at night, lightning up the way for the Israelites and as a cloud at day, shielding the Israelites, while travelling in the wilderness, is real.

God exists in everything. God exists everywhere. God doesn't stop to exist. God will be whatever it is necessary for God to be. That's why He is, I AM, that, I AM

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:13am On Jul 11, 2020

rottennaija:

Please no kill military intelligent officer private Maximus69 this early morning. Its difficult taking fires on all direction and yet, not equip with enough firepower to return.

That's why staff sergeant major himself, TATIME, had to turn up and lift morale, lmao grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:06am On Jul 11, 2020

Maximus69:
See lengthy story for Maximus69!

Never mind my friend, i know you're all after the same person both the
atheist,
freethinker,
Deeperlife,
Disfellowshiped JWs and the rest!
I'm not ignorant of your grievances, even Rozz the innocent girl can see that you're all after Maximus69 that she kept speaking consolingly saying "don't let them stress you"
So the job has been done, the young lady has seen it all, you're all divided in your beliefs but against Jehovah's Witnesses you want to stand as one even with an atheist claiming freethinker!
Go and worship your own Jesus Sir, JWs are looking for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the sheep aren't walking in a disoder manner, they're walking as one body, so there must be those taking the lead and the rest will follow in a way befitting God's people!

Maximus69:
Na wa o!

I replied rottennaija, two other unbelievers jumped at my response!

Please make una no bite me o!

Go and worship wherever you please, i've told you guys that there is just one language we expect to hear from those we're searching for, it's not found in your mouths so if you have anything to say about the topic, mention the name of your church and it's stand on the topic of discuss, PERIOD!

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What a lost soul. Smh.

TATIME:
Even Rozz actually acknowledged it, my brother you are a true soldier of Christ!

[img]https://s7/images/DontThinkJW.png[/img]

The staff sergeant major himself, TATIME, has turned up

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 8:40am On Jul 11, 2020

Maximus69:
[s]It's the spirit of oneness! Revelations 14:4 compare to John 10:16, 17:20-23 [/s]

You are proof-texting with Revelations 14:4 and John 10:16, 17:20-23. You're are not at all making any cogent point.

The gift/clothing/garb of the Holy Spirit is one. It the the same size, same measure, given to every believer. It is adaptable and will adjust to match every believers' capability, ability, propensity et cetera. It is shy, like as if a dove, so doesnt force itself on anyone. With the Holy Spirit, you get what you put in and are willing or ready to receive

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 8:18am On Jul 11, 2020

Maximus69:
I laughed at them each time they talk against the new light!

Just ask them this simple questions!
Is it the same God that's working with John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth?
How come both who lived as contemporaries did not teach the same thing regarding fasting?
Why is it that God's people have continue to improve in the understanding of godliness?
Why did God allowed his faithful servants like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses all have different understanding of the same God? Exodus 6:1-3

If they're all worshipers of the same God and their understanding about the God they worship isn't equal, why do these unbelievers expect we living during the final part of the days to have the same understanding with those who have died?
Ezekiel saw God's heavenly Organization as it's moving and it's not stationed in just one particular point, so how can we expect those who saw it standing in a place and have died know the present state of the ever moving vessel?

Jesus said "I am the fine shepherd, the sheep understand my voice and they follow me"
If only they've observed the movement of sheep as they follow their Shepherd with one spirit, they will realize that they're not true Christians!

"¹⁶And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;
¹⁷Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
- John 14:16-17

"Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people.
I had to talk as though you belonged to this world
or as though you were infants in Christ."
- 1 Corinthians 3:1

[img]https://s7/images/HolySprit3.png[/img]
True, one size fits all indeed, but ....

The spirit of God is meant for every human being, only that for some, they cant have the spirit of God because they belong to the world or in a cult, like in the form of an organisation and for others, they are infants in Christ, so the spirit of God, becomes like an oversized throw cover for them to put on (i.e. bigger than their normal size)

The gift of the Holy Spirit is available for anyone or all. If you arent filled to fit in it. It is either you're immature, as in it is oversized for you, but if anyone wants to argue it, then do it with 1 Corinthians 3:1 above, not with me.

Not watch this Maximus69. When I was little, I first learned about numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 up to 10 or 20. I didn't know there were more numbers after 10 or 20, nor that there were numbers lesser than 1. Also I first learned alphabets, starting from A, B, C, D, E up to Z, I didn't first know that I could write them even as a, b, c, e ..... z.

Well as time went on, I got to learn there are quite an uncountable numbers beyond 10 or 20. I learned that 2+2=4, then soon after I learned that even 1+3=4, that 1+1+1+1=4 or 4+0=4. On the alphabet side, I later learned that stringing A, with B, B and A becomes ABBA et cetera.

There's no point going on, me rabbiting on or talking at length, as, you sure, I am certain, have gotten the drift, especially with the already above pasted picture, that shows how though one size, truly is whats provided to fit all, albeit, you still need to flesh out, you need to buff up, you need to exercise the body and flex them muscles so that you fill out to perfectly fit into the Holy Spirit garb.

1/ Maximus69, are disagreeing with me that everyone receives the same gift/clothing/garb of the Holy Spirit, in the same measure and for the same purpose, hmm?
2/ Are you disagreeing, that it is possible to have the gift/clothing/garb of the Holy Spirit, as in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit yet not be infilled with the Holy Spirit. I mean, not filled with the Holy Spirit, in the sense that because, the Holy Spirit, will only fill into what we surrender to Him or what we yield over to Him to fill into. Sometimes, the Holy Spirit, is like an oversize cover throw, it essentially, can be bigger than our actual size, and so means, we need to buff up, as in, need to become more mature, to become stronger and more muscular, in order for the Holy Spirit to close-fittingly size us

It is exactly, what Paul, with 1 Corinthians 3:1 above is saying, some things he couldn't discuss with the Corinthians because they are/were spiritual immature, spiritually weak and so needed some spiritually growing up to do.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:57am On Jul 11, 2020

Maximus69:
[s]I've tested so many religious groups after leaving Islam, though it's JWs that removed Islam from my mind with their teachings, but i tried to join a Christian group because i found it so irritating carrying bags and knocking people's doors due to my self-esteem back then, Trivina (my wife) who started studying with Jehovah's Witnesses for just 8 months have joined them in preaching from house to house yet i just want another Christian Organization that will not ask me to go out preaching. That's how i became Ajala travel through so many religious groups claiming Christians, one thing that baffles me is how they will tell you that it's not everything that's found in the Bible, there are certain things that is not written there yet the spirit teaches them!

That's when i realized that it's only JWs that are strictly following the instructions as stated in the scriptures, but all ended 2 years ago when Trivina told me "i know you're truly intelligent that's why i never bothered when you're going to other Churches, i'm 100% certain that you're coming back to the truth"

So it's not a new thing to me my brother, they're all spiritists, each follow a totally different spirit that's why they're having contradicting opinions but Satan so much blinded them to the point that instead of coming to agree within themselves, it's the one and only united family they're seeing as evil! [/s]

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DappaD:
[s]Their “spirit” teaching them is what is making them produce the different versions of Trinity. One said the spirit said his God is 3-in-one
One said the spirit said his God exists as an infinite number of persons. Another one will say Jesus and God are equal but not with their holy ghost and the cycle goes on and on.
That's why none of those useless trinity doctrines have basis in the Scriptures. They said it's their “spirit” teaching them about trinity. Okay oo
This “spirit” of theirs must be very misleading Their trinity fathers when translating the Bible took it upon them to add their trinity teachings in the Bible. John 1:1 and 1John 5:7 have both been tampered with in most translation of the Bible and that is what is spearheading their trinity doctrine [/s]

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DappaD:
I'm not a Yoruba man sorry!

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
Did I ever say, you are Yoruba huh

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:44am On Jul 11, 2020

DappaD:
[s]You're talking trash my guy! My bad for mentioning you![/s]

You're not just, your bad. You're reprehensible angry

Next time, look carefully and take your time, before you leap. Mr "Gbọrọ mi, dẹ lẹrọ"

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:40am On Jul 11, 2020*

DappaD:
Are you scared to face me directly?
Why are you hiding behind the posts of others?
You know I'll school you
You'll just rush to conclusion without looking at all I posted
Btw your brother Kobojunkie believes that the entire Bible shouldn't be taken as God's word. Yes he said it with his mouth.
All these people and their useless philosophy Abeg make una choose hustle stay there!

The person whom that post was directly at was mentioned and the poster knows who they are.

As for you, "O kere is number wa" loosely translated means, "you're just pooh stain, you aren't the pooh, itself, at all"
I don't understand why you've decided to take panadull for another man's headache. I suppose, its true that when a shoe is flung into an open air market place, the person who yelps out, is the one who got hit by the thrown shoe. Smh.
Pesin wey no sabi and not capable yet, of tying up hin shoelaces by hinself wan school somebody else.
Well maybe when pigs fly, that might be possible

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Has Jesus Christ Always Been Made To Look Like A White Man? by MuttleyLaff: 7:31am On Jul 11, 2020

letu:
Dude you like to change goalposts too much, why can't you stay on your line? is it that too much that you choose to change like a cameleon inwhich you switch from from your original concepts which is present Israel is the real and original while the so called black ones are fake, just stay on your line (concepts) enough of your shifting goalposts tactics so that those that are reading this post will be able to grasp what your saying .

Kindly, number up, in a list, all the goalposts I allegedly have changed please

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 6:31am On Jul 11, 2020

Kobojunkie:
The greatest teacher that ever lived and the ONLY Teacher of those who are His followers, right?

According to Jesus Christ, He is the ONLY Teacher of all His followers. So is this true or ia this a lie?
Did His role as the ONLY Teacher expire when He left the earth?

brocab:
Jesus then sent His Spirit to teach us all things..

Kobojunkie:
Precisely! He is the only teacher we have now through home only the Truth that is Jesus Christ's teachings we learn .

No other teacher is of Christ as anyone who pretends to Teach in the name of God, a message different from that which Christ taught is in DIRECT disobedience of Jesus Christ's own Commandments.

And we know that that those who say they love Jesus Christ but do not obey His commandments are liars and the truth, Jesus Christ, does not live inside of them.

brocab, dont mind the overgrown scallywag. He is of the opinion, that one can not learn from Jesus, proxy fellow human beings, who happen to be 1000% Jesus minded, 10000% Jesus orientated, 10000% Jesus' way(s) focused et cetera.

He doesnt appreciate that the Spirit of Truth individually and/or corporately, teaches, one and/or all, things (i.e. John 14:26 and John 16:13)

Celebrities › Re: VIDEO: ASDA Employee Faints While Prince Charles Was Talking To Him During Visit by MuttleyLaff: 6:14am On Jul 11, 2020

Nawaaoh:
Britain’s Prince Charles had a hard time during his visit to an Asda distribution center on Thursday when an employee fainted in front of him.

In a video, the Prince of Wales is seen talking to the an employee, before he sways back and forth and drops to the ground.

Na fear catch am?? E no easy to stand before the Prince and talk!!

Watch the video through this link

h t t ps://www.mazechmedia.com/2020/07/video-asda-store-employee-faints-in-front-of-prince-charles-during-visit-to-thank-employees/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNCqZsFdKE

The man received immediate medical attention and was feeling well enough after that, to continue the conversation with the Royal, Prince Charles, later on

Christianity Etc › Re: Waking Up From Sleep With Thin Blade Marks On My Body. by MuttleyLaff: 6:04am On Jul 11, 2020

Kobojunkie:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dermatographia/symptoms-causes/syc-20371411#:~:text=When%20people%20who%20have%20dermatographia,or%20medications%20such%20as%20penicillin.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-I-wake-up-with-mysterious-scratches-in-my-body

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AiRdYKeFL._SX300_.jpg

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do I Wake Up With Mysterious Marks On My Body? by MuttleyLaff: 6:03am On Jul 11, 2020

Kobojunkie:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dermatographia/symptoms-causes/syc-20371411#:~:text=When%20people%20who%20have%20dermatographia,or%20medications%20such%20as%20penicillin.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-I-wake-up-with-mysterious-scratches-in-my-body

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AiRdYKeFL._SX300_.jpg

Christianity Etc › Re: Example Of The Mysterious Marks On My Face (pics) by MuttleyLaff: 6:03am On Jul 11, 2020

Kobojunkie:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dermatographia/symptoms-causes/syc-20371411#:~:text=When%20people%20who%20have%20dermatographia,or%20medications%20such%20as%20penicillin.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-I-wake-up-with-mysterious-scratches-in-my-body

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AiRdYKeFL._SX300_.jpg

Crime › Re: FBI ‘Kidnapped” Hushpuppi From Dubai - Pissetzky, Lawyer by MuttleyLaff: 8:04pm On Jul 10, 2020

meobizy:
I want this lawyer.

majamajic:
He lose cases anyhow , he is a scammer
He will let u see the good side , he will prolong this case , and still lose at the end , after collecting huge sum

justtee42k:
Just like he did for ~~Micheal Jackson~~
He is a tool to Americans that they normally use to collect money back from blacks or criminals
He doesn’t collect less than 5 million dollars per appearance

They make you as if he is going to win but at the end scam scam scam

Just like Thomas Mesereau did for Bill Cosby
Micheal Jackson was successfully defended, but Bill Cosby's head "gbagbode"

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:12am On Jul 10, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
... when you're asked what's your church/denomination, just know you had touched a raw nerve and whoever it is, that asked the question, has become uncomfortable, so why they insist to know what's your church/denomination, just to create a distraction, lmao

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:56pm On Jul 09, 2020*

Kobojunkie:
You did nothing of the sort.

You wouldn't know

Kobojunkie:
Really? When all I did was pose questions of what was claimed in the original?

and with that digging yourself into a rabbit hole

Kobojunkie:
And by introducing your own doctrine,

The alleged doctrine is what, hmm?

Kobojunkie:
you have also created more questions.. interesting but that is by the way...

The list of the questions created are what?

Kobojunkie:
... But since you choose instead to learn from men and not from Jesus Christ, I guess...

Be reading the Bible upside down. OK? Continue. Smh.

Kobojunkie:
That is a classic one...
Interesting!
the very same excuse that so-called MOGs use in perpetuating their many doctrines and traditions around the world today, all in the name of God.

Classic ko, chassis ni angry

Kobojunkie, be clutching straws there and be busy groping for a black cat in a dark room, especially when there is no cat in it, lmao.

You think there's a tithe, "fake it, till you make it", "blab it and grab it" "name it and claim it" "prosperity gospel" "staged healing" fake prophecy et cetera merchandise on display here, hmm? You think proselytising is on offer here, hmm?

Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:33pm On Jul 09, 2020*

PRE4:
He buttressed most of my point and corrected me in the wrong one and i learnt because no one is an island of knowledge,as for you,back off.

Don't waste your breath, ink and time on him

Kobojunkie:
Oh, you learnt from him? But you ran away instead I asked of the claims you made in what you supposedly wanted others to learn from?

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, we are not islands after all Jesus Christ did not leave us orphans as the Spirit of Truth who lives in us teaches us all things.
But since you choose instead to learn from men and not from Jesus Christ, I guess...

"People learn from one another,
just as iron sharpens iron."
- Proverbs 27:17

"Conceited people can never become wise, but intelligent people learn easily.
(i.e. Make fun of wisdom, and you will never find it.
But if you have understanding, knowledge comes easily.)"
- Proverbs 14:6

"Apollos started speaking bravely in the synagogue.
But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him to their home
and helped him understand God's Way even better."
- Acts 18:26

The Spirit of Truth, who lives in us, works in mysterious ways, lmao.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:17pm On Jul 09, 2020

Kobojunkie:
He did not back up any of the claims you made, so what are you thanking him for?

I complemented all he typed, to emphasize the very good points he made.

Kobojunkie:
He seems to disagree with you. So?

"Abosi akan, omi ni ootu" loosely translated means "The tittle-tattle crab, gets exposed with water"
It is you actually, on all fronts, I disagreed with angry

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 8:13pm On Jul 09, 2020

Oldoinyolengai:
I always wonder if Jesus had XY chromosomes like other men.

If he had XY chromosomes, of what origin was his Y-Chtomosome?

Since Jesus' remains are still available, can't Achiologists do the needful?

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]

Now, from females being XX and males being XY, the Holy Spirit had to step in to offer the Y in its provided XY chromosomes, so a male Jesus Christ be formed, and one such that is free of any earthly father sinful nature, that would have been inherited as per what Psalm 51:5 is messaging about. Had it been an earthly father was involved in forming and conceiving, then Jesus would have inherited all the undesirables and baggages. Look at Isaac, the Holy Spirit didnt fall upon Sarah. It was the miraculous of of reversing Abraham's impotency and Sarah's menopause that produced Isaac, another unique birth, but this one, is of the different kind to Jesus' birth (i.e. begotten son in Hebrews 11:17 above)

Kobojunkie:
Where?

Oldoinyolengai:
In Israel historical sites as well as in Vatican.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ's corpse in two places?
Which one is the real corpse abeg?
And who decided it was indeed Jesus's corpse?

"⁹Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
¹⁰ And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
¹¹ who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven"
- Acts 1:9-11

Is it the same Jesus seen ascended to Heaven, that is in Israel historical sites as well as in Vatican, hmm?

Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 7:58pm On Jul 09, 2020*

PRE4:
You dont get it.
Mary was a virgin, that was why God chose to let Jesus come through her. There was no sexual intercourse before Christ was conceived if not he will have partaked in the sinful nature and will not be able to die for the world sin.

Virginity, isn't a criteria for absolving of the sinful nature at all. Whether you are a virgin or not a virgin, you still automatically inherit the sinful nature, all thanks to the father, lmao

Kobojunkie:
And we are back to the problem again... what happens when two virgins, one male and the other female, decide to have a test-tube baby which is then artificially implanted into the female virgin's womb?
Note: No sexual intercourse involved.

A problem created from failure in understanding correctly how sinful nature is transmitted. Inasmuch as you have the male somehow involved, you cant escape not having the sinful nature, lmao

PRE4:
Remember in this process [in vitro fertilisation], sperm and egg is required and this contains blood.

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You must have heard the saying enough times, "it is in the blood, its in their DNA"

I am sure you are aware, it isn't even necessary to have sperm and egg to conceive, lmao. Ordinarily eggs can be made from adult skin cells to make babies (i.e. New Scientist 21 Oct 2016 edition)

Kobojunkie:
So? Since sexual intercourse is avoided, what is the problem?

How far down this rabbit hole are you guys going to take this, lmao

Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 7:57pm On Jul 09, 2020

Kobojunkie:
Sexual intercourse is a sin?
I think you are making the wrong thing the scape goat here
Are test-tube babies and babies born through artificial insemination (the new asexual ways to birth) all born without sin?

Inasmuch as a earthly male is involved, the sinful nature will be inherited. It doesnt matter whether the sperm is physically, sexually, science or laboratory assisted to fertilise the egg, the sinful nature will automatically still be passed on.

The corrective, is to withdraw an earthly father from the equation, and this is why and how the Holy Spirit comes into the frame.

PRE4:
Why was it after God chase Adam and Eve that they started giving birth?

The fact that they ate the forbidden fruit as our first father and mother disconnected that immunity to sin and made them exosed to sin.Have you ever thought that if they were not chased out of the garden,how will they give birth to multiply?
You have your father and mother blood in you therefore every particles in their blood is definitely deposited into you.Same applies to this case. They became sinners after eating the forbidden fruit thereby giving them the free will to decide to do good and bad which God did not create in us before until this mistake, therefore this particles[sin] in their blood was passed to us hence the statement of Psalm 51:5 and Romans 3:23.

"Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
(i.e. Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.)"
- 1 John 3:4

Adam and Eve (i.e. A&E) had freewill to start. It is the same freewill they had to start with that was exercised when the went ahead to eat the fruit, off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE)

Sin, plainly speaking, is the transgression of the law. The very act of A&E eating the fruit, off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE), polluted the DNA. Now whats DNA?. DNA, is a hereditary material in humans and also found in almost all other organisms. It carries a genetic code, it follows, for our development, functioning, growth, reproduction and its these biological instructions written in it that's used to make each one of us unique.

Romans 3:23, is confirming that because of sin, the DNA "recipe book" has been tampered with and is become totally illegible, to the point of lacking instructions/codes with divine moral attributes in it to run and execute.

Kobojunkie:
There is no mention that Adam and Eve did not have sex while in the Garden of Eden, and there is also no mention that the first babies born to man was conceived after man and woman left the Garden of Eden.

"Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant.
When she gave birth to Cain, she said, “With the LORD’s help, I have produced a man!”
(i.e. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,
and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.)"
- Genesis 4:1

It was after being driven out of Eden that the Genesis 4:1 sexual relation and conceiving happened

Kobojunkie:
If both father and mother are embued with sin, Does that not jettison your initial claims about the virgin birth then?

The reason why a virgin birth was necessary, was so that the paternity of Jesus Christ would not be contested or disputed. So that it wouldn't be argued that an earthly male fathered Jesus Christ

Kobojunkie:
But what about the sin-filled woman involved in said birth?
Remember your recent comment that

"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world.
Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
(i.e. For just as by the agency of one-man, sin entered the universe, and by means of sin, death,
in this way death passed by this sin unto all the children of men, because all of them have sinned)"
- Romans 5:12

The man, Adam is the focus, not the woman, not Eve. You're shaking down the wrong tree

Kobojunkie:
So, even though He was born of the holy spirit, since He shared his mother's blood means He too was born of sin, I mean Jesus Christ?

"But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin"
- 1 John 3:5

"God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him"
- 2 Corinthians 5:21

"For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses,
but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet He did not sin."
- Hebrews 4:15

Jesus, by virtue of not having an earthly father was born sinless. He had every opportunity to sin, but He did not sin and so until when sentenced to death remained sinless, lmao.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 7:56pm On Jul 09, 2020*

PRE4:
God is always perfect in all his ways and did not create man to continue struggling in sin.
Man caused it. Genesis 3:1-end.
If he had created man a sinner then he wont be having continous relationship with Adam and Eve since he cannot behold iniquity.

Habbakuk 1:13A
"you are of a purer eyes, and cannot behold iniquity"

When you take the interpretation of the translated bible literally, you'll get sucked into doing a proof text as you've just did with Habakkuk 1:13a here.

Habakkuk 1:13a, basically is saying that, God does not look with His eyes to approve evil nor tolerate wrongdoing

PRE4:
He created man perfect as He is

You are using an oxymoron here. If man was perfect as God is, then it would have been impossible for man to sin. It would have been impossible for man to do evil. It would have been impossible for man to do any wrong.

Satan, even wasn't created perfect. Satan wasn't a created perfect being. The Bible said Satan was blameless in his ways, actually meaning was free or innocent of any wrongdoing(s) (i.e. Ezekiel 28:15).

Job, as well was said to blameless and even upright, meaning he was principled i.e. Job 1:8

The first pair of humans, this is talking of Adam and Eve (i.e. A&E) were created characterless, meaning, they had no individual nature, no personality or distinctive trait. None of these has developed yet because they essentially were clean slates and with time, their character would have developed and their in the beginning clean slates, will soon be written up with all sorts like honest, trustworthy, integrity, righteous, kind hearted, loyal, abides by rules et cetera

PRE4:
but the begginning of our continous struggle with sin and new status of sinful nature originated from the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and severed their relationship with God.
Ever since then man started struggling in sin and attained a sinful nature.

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The struggle started from the scale having being tipped. Nothing upsets, the balance of good and evil, more than spiritual death does, and spiritual death, occurred, immediately after eating the fruit, off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE)

PRE4:
Psalm 51:5
"Behold i was formed in iniquity: and through sin my mother conceived me" which means anyone who comes through this world through sexual intercourse have partake that sinful nature.

That was why Christ was conceived through the Holy Spirit and that made Him the spotless lamb who died to redeem us from that sin Adam put us into.

"By faith Abraham, being tested, has offered up Isaac.
Even the one having received the promises was offering up his only begotten son"
- Hebrews 11:17

Sexual intercourse is a gift. There is no sinful nature about it and there is nothing to be shameful about partaking in having sex.

The reason why Jesus Christ had to bypass a human father when God decided, the time was right for Him to incarnate, is simply and mainly because its the human male progenitor who passes the sinful nature to his descendant(s) or offsprings and we don't want that to happen, plainly because anything that involves the male, in reproduction of a human being (i.e. son of Man) automatically will transmit and transfer the fallen human nature trait. It doesn't matter, if it is done physically, sexually, laboratory or science assisted. This is the reason why an earthly father is ruled out. The reason, why an earthly father, was out of the equation, was because such, frankly speaking, will pass on the polluted, debased and devalued human being essence to be inherited.

Now, from females being XX and males being XY, the Holy Spirit had to step in to offer the Y in its provided XY chromosomes, so a male Jesus Christ be formed, and one such that is free of any earthly father sinful nature, that would have been inherited as per what Psalm 51:5 is messaging about. Had it been an earthly father was involved in forming and conceiving, then Jesus would have inherited all the undesirables and baggages. Look at Isaac, the Holy Spirit didnt fall upon Sarah. It was the miraculous of of reversing Abraham's impotency and Sarah's menopause that produced Isaac, another unique birth, but this one, is of the different kind to Jesus' birth (i.e. begotten son in Hebrews 11:17 above)

Politics › Re: Sheriff Emeka Eboh Zadok Is Dead by MuttleyLaff: 2:22pm On Jul 09, 2020*

State001:
The Special Assistant on Students Matter to Governor Willie Obiano of Anambra State, Comrade Sheriff Emeka Eboh Zadok, is dead.

Campus Gist reports that Comrade Zadok died after a brief illness on Tuesday, July 7, 2020.

He died at the Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu University Teaching Hospital, Amaku, Awka, in Anambra state.

Elslim:
Get well soon

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