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Baba, let me know when you've had enough and are tired, so to kindly give you the link showing "chadash" used in Jeremiah 31:31 as an adjective and you will from the link, see Jeremiah 31:31 show up in a rightful proper and appropriate list showing "chadash" used in an adjective context and not a verb setting

I am over 10 minutes waiting for you

donnie:
Chadash is "to renew", But in that passage it has the function of an adjective, RENEWED, qualifying the noun COVENANT.

The less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it.

OK, please pull up Jeremiah 31:31 to feature, in along with that list of yours, so to confirm that "chadash" in Jeremiah 31:31 does mean renewal, to renew or renewed.

Ice forming in hell has more chance of happening than you getting Jeremiah 31:31 popping up in that list

donnie:
The bible was not written in English so please get rid of that useless "New" you're throwing around.

I gave you the exact Hebrew word used for "new" in Jer 31:31 -chaddash and you've seen the various occurrences of the same word in scripture. All that plenty nonsense you're writing won't help anyone.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The Word RENEWED is an adjective not a verb. Olodo

Ah, olodo upon twenty F9 fail in English grammar

Stop embarrassing yourself in public, just quietly go recheck, to find out that "chadash" in Jeremiah 31:31 is used as an adjective.

"chadash" in other verses is a verb, but as for in this very own Jeremiah 31:31, it is an adjective. Why? It is because it is describing. It is used as a descriptor and not an action (i.e. not a verb word)

donnie:
The bible was not written in English so please get rid of that useless "New" you're throwing around.

I gave you the exact Hebrew word used for "new" in Jer 31:31 -chaddash and you've seen the various occurrences of the same word in scripture. All that plenty nonsense you're writing won't help anyone.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The Jeremiah 31:31 "chadash" is rightfully describing something new hence why the "chadash" adjective is used instead of a "chadash" verb, which is a verb, denoting an action, such as something like renewing/renewal, which isn't the message that the Jeremiah 31:31 verse is conveying.

Do you see Jeremiah 31:31, in the red ticked marked up list that with your own very hands provided above, hmm? Of course you wouldn't. Why?. It is because "chadash" in Jeremiah 31:31, doesnt mean renewed/renewal as you wrongly are claiming it to be. It means a new covenant, a spanky brand new covenant was given

Even if bible was not originally written in English, we at least thank God for interlinears to see how the original text was constructed.

Please go eat a humble pie, wipe off the egg on your face and go have a late siesta, to rest them tired gray brain cells of yours

MuttleyLaff:
"¹²The younger (i.e. ''neos'') one said to his father,
‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
¹³“Not long after that, the younger (i.e. ''neos'') son got together all he had,
set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. "
- Luke 15:12-13

This is a very good question Goshen\360, hence the reason why I've endorsed it with a like, lmao

OK, so as you can see from Luke 15:12-13 above, it is this same word, new, ''neos'' in Greek, that is used for younger, this being because ''neos'' in Greek, the same word, aside meaning, "something new on the scene", "something recently revealed" or "something that was not there before", it also, actually means, young, youthfulness, fresh, recent, as is seen being used in Luke 15:12-13 above, regarding the other son. The junior son is younger and/or recent, hence the reason why the word "son" in that verse, is prepended with ''neos'' to indicate this.

This adjective principle and/or distinction, will also, apply in the case of your wife's recently delivered new born baby boy. Congrats on the birth, by the way, lmao and welcome to the club and to no sound sleep at night for the at least up to 12 months for you and madam, lmao. Go make up a roster for taking turns, who sleeps and who stays up watching, as the baby keeps awake all night, not sleeping, lmao.

Back on course, Mrs Goshen\360, has delivered a new baby boy. This meaning, she put to bed, a new, that is "neos'' and is not a new that's '' kainos''

Goshen\360, the key, is the ability to recognise what is the difference between what is "neos'' and what is '' kainos''

The difference(s) is with, one is "new on the scene and/or new in time" hence it is "neos,'' and the other, is, "new in quality" hence its '' kainos;'' '' kainos'' because of the change for the better (i.e. the upgrade, oomph and/or improvement factor)

You would agree and humbly accept Goshen\360, that a baby is no better than another baby, a son is just as good as a daughter is. One doesn't improve on babies based on qualities, lmao, except you are a mad scientist, doing secret "evil" eugenics experiments.

So, this is the reason why in the case of your missus' new born baby, the Greek word '' kainos,'' in that respect and/or regard, isn't used, but it is, the appropriate "neos'' that is used. Your baby boy had not existed before, but the quality of the human being born remains the same, as there is no improvement.

It is not, like as if, your baby has zebra coloured stripped skin, of white and black all, lmao. The truth of the matter, is there's nothing that is better than other previous or future babies, about your baby boy, so Goshen\360, this is why your baby boy is "neos'' and not '' kainos''

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donnie:
What you're quoting is not scripture. You're simply regurgitating white man's NONSENSE as theology.

That's why we say gentiles should leave our bible for us and go continue with their paganism.
Is it by force to join you in lawlessness?

You are just that dense and sloppy you cant even see that the word "new" used in Jeremiah 31:31, which is the adjective Hebrew word "chadash" is not even featured in any of your ill thought out red ticked marked list

You think you are dealing with a wet behind the ear believer here. As you can see from above I have a good experience dealing with the various variant of the Hebrew word "chadash".

"chadash" in the old Testament comes in two forms, namely its used as an adjective and also used as a verb. In Jeremiah 31:31, it is used as an adjective, meaning it is describing the covenant as something new. It isn't used as a verb, which is what renewing/renewal will be about, and so this is the reason why you wouldn't have Jeremiah 31:31's "chadash" pop up or feature in that interlinear list you pulled up

eplanning:
muttleylaff, Jesus (as you call him) did not come to change the law or make new ones....but to fulfill them

"³⁴A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.
³⁵By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”"
- John 13:34-35

Liar, liar, pants on fire. Yahushua made improvement with a new commandment, the law of liberty and/or the royal law.

All the laws and the prophets, were fulfilled, which is why on the closing hours of Yahushua's ministry, you read Moses and Elijah, the representatives of the law and the prophets, appearing before Yahushua, in vision in that Peter, James and John witnessed on Mount of Transfiguration.

Laws, are everlasting, even eternal, but in the presence of a stronger, more powerful, superior, better law, an older law is subdued, rendered inoperative, impotent, powerless and even useless, for inasmuch as the stronger, more powerful, superior, better law is enforced, applied and/or is retained

donnie:
You cannot interprete the teachings of MESSIAH or PAUL with your gentile Eurocentric lenses on and with false and misleading translations.

You cannot teach Israel about law or covenanants using theology of gentiles who know nothing about what they speak.

All the covenanats were for ISRAEL and there is nothing like NEW Covenant... What we have is a RENEWED Covenant.

Baba, you who is a konfam phoney, a black skinned African, an impostor, masquerading to be a true born real McCoy Israelite can run but you don't have any place to hide because I'll hunt you down, smoke you out, run you up and down the hill

donnie:
All the covenanats were for ISRAEL and there is nothing like NEW Covenant... What we have is a RENEWED Covenant.

Both the Hebrew chadash (Jer. 31:31) and the Greek kainos (Heb. 8:8 ) words for "new" are more properly translated "renewed" or "repaired" as opposed to "new" or "brand-new"

Read the following next below, to see how I demolished error and faulty foundation pack house of lies

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MuttleyLaff:
"Behold, the days are coming, says Yahweh,
and when I will make with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah a covenant new"
- Bible > Interlinear > Jeremiah 31:31

donnie, dont worry bro, grab a chair to sit down on, as I'll again with this kill a one, two or more few demons for you and bring things to you in their proper perspective lol. OK?

For starters, why not try reading and studying the Bible, with using a very combination of both a Hebrew/Greek–English lexicon and Hebrew/Greek–English interlinear. I personally use my Hebrew/Greek–English interlinear a lot more often than using my Hebrew/Greek–English lexicon, lol. It will do you a world of good donnie, trust me, if you take to my advice of using Hebrew/Greek–English interlinear, as this will save you from all these your getting the wrong information about the bible, lol.

donnie, up there is the Hebrew to English interlinear for Jeremiah 31:31. Right there before your eyes, is how the original Jeremiah 31:31 was written in Hebrew, the same Hebrew text, as an English interlinear is what's seen printed above up there donnie, lol.

Listen donnie, the word "new" used in Jeremiah 31:31, is the Hebrew word "chadash". It has the meaning of the sense of something different, of something not previously known or used, hence why it is new, lol. Please dont be mistaken and dont say anything the Bible never said. The bible didnt say "renewed" as you falsely claim, because rather, it explicitly, says "new".

It correctly, in Jeremiah 31:31, says that Yahweh, will, with the house of Israel (i.e. ten of the twelve tribes of Israel, who lived in the Northern Kingdom) and the house of Judah (i.e. the Southern Kingdom comprising of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin) make a new covenant. Now, there is nothing about renewal donnie in Jeremiah 31:31. Fear God nah. It is a new covenant and not a renewed/renewal covenant.

You dont have a track record of someone with good knowledge donnie, so please stop pretending and deceiving yourself that you have anything good, beneficial, profitable, useful, or valuable to offer. All you've been spreading and promoting is witch hunting, division along skin colour, hatred, bigotry, racial slurs, name calling, myths and fables, bizarre sexual encounters with female human beings, blaming others for whatever woes there is you can imagine, hallucination of mistaken belief that the sound of neighbour's drone flying in dead hours of the night is that of an UFO, lol, etcetera. Smh. You deserve to be pitied..

Whatever knowledge you have is not worth seeing the light of day donnie. I am sorry for being blunt frank and harsh with you about this, even saying it to your face and not behind you. You need to keep that your poison, trash and toxic to yourself.

You're even worse than lawless Christians donnie. You're a false prophet, deceiving not just yourself but also deceiving many other people and leading them astray. When time opportunes again, I'll break things further down and into more smaller pieces for you donnie because I know all these are too much for you to read, as you really have a short attention span. Reading context and content, are hard work for you, lol, that I've come to know about you, lol.

You are a joke. Look at you donnie, you've consistently and regularly till tomorrow fall flat on your face, tripped up by the royal law prescribed in the Scripture that Yahushua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ referenced. You try to muddy up the faith of believers, but we thank YAH, that the whole world can see through your shenanigans and descent into lawlessness.

That's all good, but just know donnie, that I have more than I say, and speak less than I know, lol. I am 24/7 watching & have my eyes on you, lol.

As an addendum, "kainos" means, new in quality (i.e. an innovation), something fresh in development – because "its not found exactly like this or in this form before". It is anything that's brand new and is nothing about renewal or have anything to do with being renewed

donnie:
As saints of YAH, we do not sanctify or keep any other day of the week holy besides the sixth day, the SHABBAT of YAHUAH. We rest from all labour.

Idolaters rest from all labour on SUNday, to honour the Sun-god.

"Then Jesus declared,
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
- Mark 2:27

"One person decides that one day is holier than another.
Another person decides that all days are the same.
Every person must make his own decision"
- Romans 14:5

"Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
- Colossians 2:16

"He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant.
This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit.
The old written covenant ends in death;
but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life."
- 2 Corinthians 3:6

It is only a superstitious letter-worshipper that behaves robotically in this manner. You defo don't appreciate that the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, liberty and/or freedom from coming of age. What a pity.

sonmvayina:
OK, let us for the purpose of argument assume that the blood of Jesus was necessary.. So it means everybody irrespective of actions will all go to heaven.. Is it..?

You at one time or the other, will have to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. You will have to at one time or the other acknowledge that Jesus is God and that you believe in Him. If you tick the boxes, you, at the very least, get a free pass to the kingdom of Heaven

sonmvayina:
Where did you get this from?

Where did I get what from?

sonmvayina:
When did God start accepting human sacrifice?

"Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened.
Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require"
- Psalm 40:6

¹The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves.
The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year,
but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.
²If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
³But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year.
⁴For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
⁵That is why, when Christa came into the world, he said to God,
“You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings.
But you have given me a body to offer.
⁶You were not pleased with burnt offerings or other offerings for sin.
⁷Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God—
as is written about me in the Scriptures.’”
⁸First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses).
⁹Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect.
¹⁰For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.
- Hebrews 10:1-10

Except for father Abraham, God has never required a human sacrifice from any other ordinary human being. The sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, was carried out through Him legally sentenced to die on the cross at Calvary and like a sheep being led to the slaughter or a lamb that is silent before her shearers, He did not open His mouth to protest His innocence (i.e. Isaiah 53:7 and Acts 8:32)

sonmvayina:
He called it an abomination

Yup, God called the Molech practice, the burning of children in the fire to Baal, the shedding of innocent blood, the blood of Israelites' sons and daughters, the sacrificing of them to the idols of Canaan et cetera disgusting to Him

sonmvayina:
I don't think so.. Your problem is you are still yet to figure out what God is and is not...

budaatum:
What is God, Sonm?

sonmvayina:
I have been saying the same thing. God is the same everywhere, it is the names that are different. The Babylonian might decide to use Enki and the Yoruba use obatala. End of the day.. They represent the creative aspect of God...
The Babylonian might call him Marduk, the igbos chukwu, the Yorubas Eledumare. They all represent the totality of the consciousness of the Universe. Or the creator.. I have never deviated from these principles. Or have I?

sonmvayina:
God is the universal divine consciousness... Personified..
The personified name varies from culture to culture.. The creator of the heavens and the earth.
He is not a man or human being and most importantly NOT PART OF CREATION.

sonmvayina:
1. God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe fully embodied and personified.. I just added the divine because it is holy...
2. You know what personification means.. Don't you?.. It means consciousness given human attributes.. For the sole purpose of reminding ourselves that we are part of it and it is part of us..
3.jesus is a Roman/Greek created character.. Just to distract you from worshipping your creator.. It has got nothing to do with the creator..
4. Creator goes by different names in different cultures.. AMEN RA in ancient Egypt, Chukwu in igbo, Eledumare in yoruba, Osanobua in edo, Vishnu in India, Hashem in Hebrew, etc..
5. God is not part of creation, but the whole of creation itself.. God is existence itself, not part of it..

budaatum meet sonmvayina's "What is God?" contradicting himself responses

budaatum:
Books of Plato and Aristotle despite their factual errors, The Quran, The Dhammapada, and Nelkon - my secondary school textbook on Physics, to name a few.

Even Christ warned not to read only one book least one become malnourished.

I asked what book that comes within a mile of the Bible, in terms, of salvation, problem targeting, problem solving, clarity of purpose, freedom/freewill exercising, process(es)/procedure(s) et cetera and you palm forward Books of Plato and Aristotle despite their factual errors, The Quran, The Dhammapada, and Nelkon - my secondary school textbook on Physics, and have the cheek to add "[i]to name a few[/I]"

I am please you admit Books of Plato and Aristotle have factual errors, but how the Quran, escaped your notice of qualifying to having its own fair share of factual errors, as well, is baffling. Even the Quran’s teachings regarding salvation are inconsistent

The Dhammapada and Nelkon - your secondary school textbook on Physics has nothing on salvation, nothing on sin problem targeting, nothing on sin problem solving.

delkuf:
sorry muttlerlaff I didn't get what you said.

I said quite a lot of things, so what part specifically didnt you get? Besides the post you replied to, wasn't even posted to you

AntiChristian:
So Jesus didn't knew she had such faith in her heart before! Jesus sure didn't know many things!

What are you bleating about? Where is she in that narrative? What has a she, got to do in the narrative surrounding Matthew 8:10? Smh.

helinues:
If truly you really understand what Chakra is all about, then you have broken some many vital rules.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
- 1 John 4:1

The bible advises to test all spirit. Did you really think that you won't be subjected to scrutiny, hmm? Who does anything, like not doing that?

helinues:
'You knew' - Already reached a conclusion about something you are not sure of.

My knowing is as a result of one of the spiritual gift of the manifestation of the Holy Spirit

helinues:
Asking me to brag about myself on internet.

Please don't begin to try making up lies. You weren't asked to brag. You portrayed yourself to be "something up there" and knowing the state appalling state of the country, you were asked to give a modest list of the benefits to the country of you being "something up there"

People are dropping dead like as if flies, why cant you use your so called realistic faith to deal with COVID-19, but you are pushing the responsibility off to pastors' quarters

helinues:
You questioning others unjustly just to prove unnecessary points.

You put yourself in the position to be questioned. You were being questioned so to ascertain, check and confirm your alleged fruits

helinues:
And finally, going emotional and personal about an healthy conversation...

Please don't play the prima-donna behaviour and victim card with me

helinues:
What you think you have acquired as beliefs are not the right information....

So says the chakra sage. Should I say "om", at this juncture. Smh.

AntiChristian:
It seems you, Paul and James understand the concept of faith and works more than Jesus Himself.

"When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him,
"Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith."
- Matthew 8:10

It seems you aren't familiar with the encounter, Jesus had with a certain Centurion and his very sick and about to die servant. You my dear loving Muslim brother always gets hold of the wrong end of the stick sha. Thank God you have me always ready to bail you out.

Apostles Paul, James and I learn from the best. We learn from Jesus Himself and what the Spirit of Truth teaches and/or shows us.

helinues:
You shouldn't have expected me to list all what you asked, even though they are things visible....

If there was any ounces of empathy and compassion in your depraved soul, you would have stepped up to the plate and proffered a lasting solution to the scourge and/or affliction of COVID-19, but you are of course all mouth and no trousers

helinues:
But you may/will still request for proofs which I do not think is necessary/probably ready to do.. For what..

The questions were too difficult and hard for you to respond to, so you have to resort to empty talk. Smh. Mtcheew

helinues:
So back to the topic, belief is accumulation of information...

This is a flawed and incomplete statement. You have proffered some information about yourself, that don't on face value alone, necessarily warrants believing in

helinues:
What you have as your beliefs are feeble hence questioning others

Your answers will show you up, and this makes you uncomfortable enough to not welcome questionings.

donnie:
Happy Sun-worship day.

Baba, about Monday (i.e. the moon's day, day devoted to worshipping the goddess of the moon) Tuesday (i.e. god of war Tiu, also known as Tyr) Wednesday (i.e. Woden's Day, the day when the god, Woden or Odin was worshiped), Thursday, (i.e. god named Thor day, the god of thunder) Friday, (i.e. goddess named Freya/Frigg/Frige, day, the wife of Odin) Saturday (i.e. god named Saturn day) and Sunday (i.e. god Sun, day), do you have other names for these pagan days of the week? Do you do or don't you, at all do pagan week days, Baba, lmao, hmm? .

Anyway, by God's grace, Happy Monday in advance, you going to work tomorrow Moon-worship day.

Hypocrite saw dust for brain, senile quadragenarian Baba

helinues:


You might need to shape the accumulation of facts/information stored in your subconscious mind...

They are feeble

You are very predictable.

I just knew you will come up with this reply and that you will avoid responding to all the questions posed and fired at you

You went cold turkey on all questions. The questions put the frightener on you

AntiChristian:
Bible says:
Romans 10:9
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Galatians 2:16,21
16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified....
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

These verses contradict with these verses from the bible...

James 2:14
14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

James 2:17
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

James 2:24
24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

As for Romans 10:9, "... believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead ..." is the faith and "... confess with your mouth ..." is the work while with Galatians 2:16,21, righteousness, is obtained from believing in Jesus Christ, as ordinarily observing the law, but without faith in Jesus Christ renders your purported work useless

James 2:14, is saying, faith by itself, without any demonstrated work, wouldn't save dilly squat. James 2:17, is complementing and merely re-echoing James 2:14, while James 2:24 is repeating the fact featured or mentioned in James 2:14 and James 2:17. There are no contradictions between the verses

sonmvayina:
Where did you get that idea from?.. Old testament quotes please..

"The life of every living thing is in the blood,
and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins.
Blood, which is life, takes away sins."
- Leviticus 17:11

The shedding of animal blood only provides forgiveness. It doesnt reconcile or redeem souls back to God. The blood of animals was only capable of facilitating forgiveness. It didnt reconcile man, back to God. It is the shedded blood of Jesus that reconciled man back to God. Jesus' purpose on earth was to be the Lamb of God taken to slaughter for the sin of the world. Redemption, reconciliation and/or the restoration of friendly relations with God, came through the shedded blood of Jesus.

donnie:
No o... they were white, just like children of the Ethiopians.
Mtcheew.

OkCornel:
Are you now ready to discuss the dna results on ancient Israelites buried in Israel in bible times hmmm?
You’ll see your black Hebrew lie crashing down

Baba ready to discuss the dna results on ancient Israelites buried in Israel in bible times kẹ. That occasion will happen, only when pigs fly.

Baba doesnt want to see his black Hebrew lie crashing down, so will conveniently do an absent without leave (i.e. AWOL) and missing in action (i.e. MIA)

helinues:
Bro, are average Nigerian pastors being realistic?
If yes, one of them should have cured the Corona patients.

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Why should pastors have cured the Corona patients?
Why not you? Why are you excluding yourself?
Why aren't you stepping up for the challenge?

helinues:
If all dreams come true, then everybody for rich...

Unfortunately, not all dreams come true and so why we always have the poor with us

helinues:
There are forces (unseen), more like black hole which authorize events accidentally or coincidentally....

We are handed different playing cards from the deck in life, so don't get self conceited please

helinues:
Go and study chakra and first know about yourself before talking about others you know nothing about..

How did you get to conclude I haven't studied chakra and that I don't already know about myself, huh?

helinues:
Beliefs are accumulation of facts stored in the subconscious mind.

I am pleased you acknowledge this fact and truth

helinues:
When you are being honest with yourself, then your level of beliefs about anything will increase.

I am sure you are the sort of person who believes your being literally can fly

helinues:
This is not just saying, it is what has been working for me

List a few benefits to mankind, at least ten, from what's been working for you, and that has especially improved quality of lives in Naija as well.

helinues:
When you are consciously aware of almost everything around you (Chakra/Third Eye), then your sense of judgement will change and be able to differentiate between being realistic or optimistic...

Apart from God (Forces), I have no expectations from anyone.. If there is any, it's only a plus...

As I previously have said, I have read of a "moG", walking into a lion cage, believing no harm will befall him, but the lion inside the cage made a good dinner of him

I have read of a "moG", larking about with a poisonous snake, because he believed no harm would befall him but he got bitten and soon after died from the snake venom.

I have walked into a waiting room, saw a chair I thought I could comfortably sit on, only for it to collapse under my weight upon settling down in it.

Are you saying both these men were dishonest or insincere in their faith, hmm? Are you saying, my faith in the chair, that collapsed under my weight was not honest to start with?

You know in the world, there's is something called "calculated risk", when it comes to a God approved faith, there is something akin to that terminology. There are governing principles that makes faith be realistic. Optimism, too does help, it is a means to the end, optimism is an ingredient that facilitates realistic faith, it isn't the real deal nor the real McCoy.

Faith, is a gift from God. Faith is, God given. Faith, comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God or through a saying of God.

helinues:
All those listed Faiths are not honest faith to start with...

I have read of moG, walking into a lion cage believing no harm will befall him. I have read of moG, larking about with poisonous snakes, because they believed no harm would befall him but he got bitten and soon after died from the snake venom. Are you saying all both these men were dishonest or insincere, hmm?

helinues:
When having faith/believe about something, you must be realistic

1/ How do you measure and/or determine realistic?
2/ How do you know what is sensible enough and practical to achieve or not achieve?

helinues:
You can be justified by faith if you have done some honest work and patiently waiting for results/answers.. That's faith

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helinues:
You probably missed the part...

No I didnt miss the "some honest work" part. If I did, I wouldn't have typed, if I honestly go in front of my microwave and patiently wait for the Nairaland web page to load up on it. Will my faith be justified? Will I have results/answers of a Nairaland web page appear before me anywhere on the microwave?

It looks like a great faith and a plausible good thing to do, to go patiently wait in front of my microwave for a Nairaland web page to load up somewhere on it, but the rule governing how web pages are loaded wasn't followed. Having great faith to cross a 16 lanes busy motor expressway without using the designated pedestrian bridge will be foolhardy, potentially have fatal consequence and is not necessarily real, good or great faith

helinues:
Every part (s)

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helinues:
You can be justified by faith if you have done some honest work and patiently waiting for results/answers.. That's faith

"²³Jesus replied, “Why do you say ‘if you can’?
Anything is possible for someone who has faith!”
²⁴At once the boy's father shouted,
“I do have faith! Please help me to have even more.”"
- Mark 9:23-24

If I honestly go in front of my microwave and patiently wait for the Nairaland web page to load up on it. Will my faith be justified? Will I have results/answers of a Nairaland web page appear before me anywhere on the microwave?

There is little faith, there is pseudo/false faith, there is weak faith, there is ignored faith, there is having no faith, there is room for more faith, there is et cetera faith

helinues:
I no understand

Big man like you don't understand simple and elementary bible 101 things like this, huh?
What part(s) specifically don't you understand?

ichuka:
Romans 4 says that Abraham was justified by faith, and James2 says He was justified by works. How do we explain these two kinds of justification?

Justification, is not a one trick pony. You first climb and sit on the Justification pony, with belief/believing (i.e. having faith), a noun, then you ride it by works (i.e. demonstrate the belief) a verb or actions

Kobojunkie:
Fath is a collection of all the works done in obedience/submission to God's Word , serving as evidence/justification of one's claim to believe.

My belief is that...

Demons belief in God too, so what sets the belief in God, as claimed by men, from that claimed by demons?
Faith does.
This is not to say that demons don't have faith, but their kind of faith is not measured in the same way man's faith is.

Demon(s) believe and tremble, but purposefully refuse to do work that will give them salvation

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ichuka:
so bro you are saying that the theft on the cross
also did some works before he entered paradise?

Kobojunkie:
The thief on the cross likely died before Jesus Christ so whatever rule applied to those who died before Salvation was ratified, yeah that would apply to him as well, I believe.

delkuf:
He worked by believing.

"⁴²Then he (i.e. the thief) said,
“Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”
⁴³And Jesus said to him,
“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”"
- Luke 23:42-43

"For with your heart you believe and are justified,
and with your mouth you confess and are saved."
- Romans 10:10

"I tell you the truth, everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth,
the Son of Man will also acknowledge in the presence of God’s angels."
- Luke 12:8

The thief confessed with his mouth, which led to him be saved and to meet Jesus in paradise, that very day, later on.

helinues:
You can be justified by faith if you have done some honest work and patiently waiting for results/answers.. That's faith

"God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf,
so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God."
- 2 Corinthians 5:21

Abraham willingness and/or preparedness earned him a mention, a place and/or position in the greatly desired or enviable Hebrews chapter eleven "Hall of faith" or "Faith Hall of fame".

The giants in the corridor of the enviable Hebrews chapter eleven "Hall of faith" or "Faith Hall of fame" exercised one kind faith of the other that was taken by God to qualify as a semblance of righteousness acceptable to Him.

These great men and women of Hebrews chapter eleven "Hall of faith" or "Faith Hall of fame" didnt have the benefit of 2 Corinthians 5:21 above, that we are enjoying but they saw far, just what the thief on the cross as well saw, believed, publicly acknowledged and confessed

kkins25:
kindly provide evidence.

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Provide evidence of particularly what?