Blue3k:
Lol you guys have some dumb hot takes. I personally doubt if the north has bigger population but claiming it doesn't have huge population because it's a desert is dumb. Lol Egypt is a desert yet it has 98 million people some how because of the Nile. The River Benue and Niger make Nigeria's huge population possibe.

I think you are not so bright to pool out the Egyptian argument. This hypothesis fall flat on so many fronts;
1. About 90% of Eguptian population lives within the Caira-Alexandra-port said-Ismaili axis. An area of land that is along the medetaranian sea wile the interior of egypt is sparsely poluted even though the nile rivers passes through these areas.

2. The Nile river is much bigger and the volume of water is much larger than that of the River Niger.

3. The River Niger passes through the center of Nigeria and states with these areas have much lower population than those in the core north, despite these states having better vegetation and larger fresh water.

Finally, the population of the core-north is highly exagorated. When you travel to these areas or a quick google map investigation will reveal the true population of these states.

Flier:
The have more population if you look at their polygamous way of life
Average Hausa man has 3-20 wives and as many as 50 children

Polygamous doesn't translate into more population. If you look at the ration of men:women wich stood at 49:51 percent, it means any man that has more 1 wife is indirectly blocking some other men chances.

You also have to look at child mortality rate, crude dealth rate and so many other indeces that shows the north in a very bad light.

Arrewa:
Ganduje!

One of the best governor in Nigeria in terms of infrastructural and human development.

Ganduje is the man...a potential vice presidential material in 2023.

Ganduje, Sarkin aiki

Arrewa:
fact!

I have also been there... I was very shocked!

I never expected what I saw... Despite all the media chest-beating.

Those guys are really really deceiving each other

I think chest-beating is cultural to them. An average Igboman will never be happy until he can beat his chest and rob his achievement on the face of others.

I admire their entrepreneurship tendency and their manner they build houses in their villages but their government is not doing well at all.

I was born in the north and I know the potential of the region. If the north can fight extremism, invest more into education and generally forget about crude oil, I think the region will go far bro. It has all the tools to be great.

BigSarah:


Onitsha and owerri are A grade cities by Nigeria standards at least... Don't be overwhelmed by tribal sentiments

I will pick Minna over Onitsha and Awka any day of the week. I schooled in Minna and I worked in Onitsha for 2 years.

Arrewa:
God bless you sir!

I have been to all Southeastern states and when you compare them with states in any of the geopolitical zones in the north you will cry for them.


For example, Onitsha to Enugu is not up to Minna to Suleja, yet the state government refuse to do the road and all you see is red mud everywhere.

Villages in Enugu are like you still in the stone age. Though, they build find houses in their village but infrastructure wise, there is nothing to write home about.

Chino4NAUTH:

Lmao.. this same zaria bandits are even raiding University Community and killing 60 persons close to the teaching hospital.. No wonder you're an abokiiii.. U no sabi anything

Zaria is safe. Bandits only raid rural communities mostly in Zamfara, Katsina and Sokoto.

Arrewa:
OP what do you understand by development??

You are an igbo man from south eastern part of this country.

Do you actually know what south east is the most backward region in Nigeria? Or are you still deceiving each other?

I will rather live in northern cities like Minna, Suleja, Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Zaria than live in potopoto republic such as Onitsha, Owerri, Nsuka, Awka etc.

Northern cities are better plan, have infrastructures such as waterworks, roads and generally more peaceful than their south-east counterparts.

Finally, easterners are not in any position to call anyone parasite. Northern states much more to the table to eastern states.

AnanseK:


Can’t you read? I didn’t say “receiving revenue”. I said the richest. Go and check out what revenue accrues to Ogun State on account of its proximity to the former capital of Nigeria and closeness to the Sea ports. The revenue from the industries of Agbara and Otta alone are equivalent to the federal allocation of some of the states.
Are you now saying that development in states can only be carried out from federal allocation?

Kano is leading in development in the North because of the additional revenue earned from taxation, especially of businesses and industries.

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Don't be clever by half. There is correlation between internal generated revenue and the federal gov't allocation to states out Lagos.
States tends to generates more in internal revenue the more money they can draw from the federal gov't.

The only difference is most southern states are not burden with huge army of unproductive citizens and the fact that women in the south takes part in economic activities. Also, southern states also benefits from having huge diasporian communities that send huge chunk back home to finance projects and help relatives pay for essential services.

In summary, southern states have much better economic indexes despite in most time drawing much less from the federal gov't treasure. It is criminal the amount of money the northwestern states get without much to show for it.

AnanseK:


Looking for excuses? Western states are the richest in Nigeria except for Oil rich states of SS.

Here is a list of top ten revenue receiving states in Nigeria. Only Lagos is the southwestern states in the list while the north-west has 3 states. These states are Kano, Kaduna and Katsina.

Mbioto:


Katsina has more towns than Oyo state...there's malumfashi,funtua,daura,jibia,batagwara,katsina town and dutse ma...they're bigger than say Oyo town..Kaduna is even bigger with Zaria city,kafanchan,saminaka,makarfi,zonkwa,and others

You are obviously deluded.

Ibadan alone is bigger than all those villages you listed above.

I'm a civil engineer that has gone to most part of northwestern Nigeria and I can tell you that most of those places are glorified villages.

Take a comparison between Ondo and Katsina for instance.
Akure is bigger than Katsina
Ondo town is bigger than Funtua
Owo, Ikare, Ore, Okitipupa and Oka are bigger than any town in Katsina states except for the capital city.

Finally, you can only sell that bullshit to people that ha never been to the northwest.

Sammy07:
if Kaduna and Kano invest massively in Human Development capital.
with no security issue.
The two will be better than any southern states.

Imagine, If any of the Fulanis and hausas querried their governors what he is using their tax to do. He will have something meaningful to say, and will not faint like our southern counterparts.

El-Rufai is doing well but do you know that northwestern states get more in revenue than most states in the southwest?

States like Katsina, Kaduna and Sokoto get much than States like Oyo, Ogun and Ondo despite not having much towns and infrastructure to work on.

Mrbillionaire:


correct for Ilorin, who have sacrificed culture for religion and made themselves eternal slaves to Fulani.

Okuns are 95% Christians and were not conquered by the Jihadists; they maintain their names which is the most important part of culture unlike Ilorins who have adopted Arabic names and dumped Yoruba names completely.

imagine a Yoruba man bearing Rashid Abdulai, this is common in Ilorin but not the case okunland. An Okun man bears Smart Adeyemi and make sure the Yoruba part is pronounced

I'm from Ondo state and I bear Abdulahi, my siblings bears Ismaila, Suleiman etc. Man you sound daft, religion has nothing to do with ethnicity, and for your information, the Ilorin always bears a Yoruba middle name or surname that makes them a unique Yoruba.

Mraphel:

You ain't talking here.
Yoruba is not a single tribe is a combination of tribes that now speak Yoruba.
Many Ondo, Lagos etc indigenous people are not real Yoruba's even by lands.
You cannot force people to be Yoruba fully lest it will cause problem.

The YorubaFulanis in Kwara have come stay and they ain't going no where.
Emir of Ilorin is the first recognized monarch by Nigerian law, not Afonja.

Where do you see Ondo's not being Yoruba?
Stop confusing dialect with ethnicity. The different subgroups speak a different dialect of Yoruba and only use a centralized Oyo dialect to communicate. In fact, Yorubas are one of the most homogenous ethnicities in Nigeria.

fulanimafia:


Lol ba shi dai bane.

Munafuqan na da yawa cikin su.

me kuke nufi da su? Idan kana nufin Yarbanci, ka tuna cewa ba mu mallake ku komai ba.

These stupid hubris is one of the reasons the core north is a hotbed for religious and ethnic violence.

GarangDeMabior:



Mr makes I use broken.

e better make u no quote me again make I argue with others Yorubas wey get reasoning pls.

pls and pls.

You are a fool. You wouldn't be able to look into my face and say this shit in real life. Idiot!

GarangDeMabior:


They are well placed and positioned because they are governed by an emir.

The emir doesn't have any power he is just a religious figurehead. The real power rest with the politicians.

Coronabirus:

We don't damn care. Face reality when things like this start u'll know those with the mightiest power!

Go to Ilorin and claim an inch of land and see if you live to tell the tales. I was born and bred in the core north, which means I know you all inside out.

Bkayyy:

Try to convince someone that has not been to Kwara. The yorubas in Kwara try to project offa as the second biggest city in Kwara but those that have been there knows better, after visiting all of them I realized that Lafiagi is actually the second biggest just that Nupe people don't like to make noice, they prefer action. And saying that yoruba is spoken in all the Local governments, you made me laugh big time. Yoruba is not even used in tsaragi that shares boundary with share talk more of the entire local governments including the almighty Lafiagi that Nupe don't joke with.
The only thing I give to the yoruba kwarans is that they are more educated than there Nupe counterparts, but when it comes to influence, don't underestimate the Nupe influence because an average Nupe man cares less of what he can gain from the Yorubas but the Yorubas depend on the Nupe for food which is a primary necessity, now tell me who needs to learn and speak the other's language

Influential my foot.
The governor is a Yoruba, deputy governor a Yoruba, chief of staff Yoruba, two out of the three senators Yoruba... Do you want more?

The major businessmen are Yorubas, captains of industries are Yorubas, most of the educated elite in Kwara are Yorubas. What else do you want the Yorubas to do?

GarangDeMabior:



Same igbos agitates to be alone.
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The A-Z of all the gases you use in nigeria comes from same igboland. the whole gas supply to Lagos comes from Oguta igboland.[/s]


well I don't blame you. there is no single resources to boast of in your land not even the least one litre no want biology defined a parasite and parasitism well.


Barren lands feeling funky. try another.


una survival depends on nigeria...Lol

The gas belongs to the tribes in Delta state, a majority of it belongs to the Ishekiri (a Yoruba subgroup). The only oil in the east is Palm oil.

Bkayyy:

Please ask your wife again, you are confusing things here. When it comes to land mass Nupe controls up to 65 percent or more of Kwara state that I can't say for population because as an Igbo man I know what population density is and the Nupe I know tend to have sparsely populated and extremely small villages. Edu local government which is a nupe local government is the biggest local government in Kwara state and their market Gbugbu market is the biggest in the entire state followed by tsaragi market (nupe) before share which of yoruba. Nupe land produces 90 percent of the food that comes from Kwara.
As for the case of yorubanization of Lafiagi which is arguably the second biggest city in Kwara after Ilorin is a damn lie. The Nupes are extremely proud people and don't joke with their language and customs. They only cohabit with Hausas and share the same settlement with Fulanis, as for playing second fiddle to yorubas, it's a big lie. Have you forgotten the share and tsaragi conflict? Ask your wife how Nupe men trooped from Lafiagi and other Nupe towns to chase the yorubas out of share. Guy, Nupe no dey fear fight o.
The language of trade in Kwara is Nupe and Hausa. If you want to buy bags or trailer of food which Kwara state is known for, if you can't speak Nupe or Hausa nothing for you

Telling me about Kwara that I go more than three times a year?
Kwara is like my second home. I didn't just marry from Kwara alone, my mom is also from Ilorin. The second most populous town in Kwara after Ilorin is Offa, after Offa it is Omuoaran. Man, you know nothing about Kwara.

No part of Kwara speaks Hausa as a lingua franca. Yoruba is spoken in all the local government and 12 are poor Yorubas while 2 are of baribas and 2 are Nupes.

The two Baruba local government are Baruten and Kaima. In these two local government, Yoruba is the second most widely spoken language after the language of the indigenous.

While the two Nupe local government are Edu and Pategi, these two local gov't have Yoruba as their second language after Nupe.

Try again mr Ipob.

Lari03r:

Wow, I never knew that Jebba was a Yoruba territory.

Pure Yoruba of Oyo stock. Speaks proper Yoruba, bears proper Yoruba names and even have an Oba. How else do one define a Yoruba?

GarangDeMabior:



Yorubas living nigeria is a fiction. nobody loves one nigeria more than a yoruba man.

infact an average SW believes his live depends on nigeria.


So nothing to discuss.

Show wouldn't want to enjoy the crude oil boanaza?

Tell me why the Igbos want to die on top of minorities groups of the deltas crude oil?
You fought a senseless war over oil that is not yours and have the audacity to call Yoruba lover of one Nigeria!

We know that the greedy Igbos have had their eyes fixated on the crude that doesn't belong to them.

Also, why would the Yoruba live when they are the gateway to 200m people?
When they control the financial, telecommunication, industrial and commerce of 200m people?
Why would we live when we can get access to the arable land of the middle belt and the Savannah of the core-north?
Yorubas have no reason to exit Nigeria.

Lari03r:
This is great!

I'm sure people don't know that Ebira people of Kogi are also related to Yoruba, though not as close as Okun.

They bear Yoruba names like Ojo, Bose, Aina.

Their language has some Yoruba influence.

Well, we respect the sanctity of human lives in Yoruba land, so our Okun brothers should be re-integrated.

I had an argument on Twitter last year when one guy said Niger State was bigger than the whole SW.

I told him, political SW is different from the geographical SW which includes Kwara state and parts of Kogi state.

Man was adamant he was talking about landmass as it is. But I was also talking about landmass as it should be.

David Oyedepo is from Kwara. His 2nd University is in Kwara, Landmark University.

I am not sure about the Jebba story or link. However, I know Yorubas own Kwara and Okun land as their ancestral lands.

The British came to stop the war between Nupe and Yorubas, else we would have reclaimed all our land.

Jeba is a pure Yorubaland. Whenever my car gets to Jebba when I'm travelling home, then I begin to feel at home.

People need to travel. Do you know that when there is a break down of law and others in the north, the Hausa-Fulani easily round up any Yoruba that they can see without asking about their state of origins?
Yes be you Ilorin, Ofa, or from Okun, in the eyes of the Fulani you are Yoruba.

Coronabirus:
That's why I like the attitude of core northern states. Despite having the biggest challenges but they'll never throw accusing finger on one another. Only few from the other side knows the geographical location of Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri dominance state. Inspite of wrong accusations and blame games, you hardly see a core northerner blaming one tribe for the fault of other. Fulani are killing people in the name of banditry, Boko Haram is killing and bombing but there was never ethnic tension.
Northern geographical land belongs to the North, if they want to join SW let them join them by mass exodus because not an inch of land will be lost from the northern region.

The Hausa-Fulani has no inch of land south of River Niger and the River at Jeba and Lokoja is the boundary of Yorubaland. Trust me no inch of Yorubaland will be lost to marauders in the event that Nigeria disintegrates.

Bkayyy:

All of them answer to the emir of Ilorin just as most of the nupe emirs answer to the emir of Lafiagi

You know nothing about Kwara.

Yoruba are the overwhelming majority in Kwara. Ilorin is a pure Yoruba town, a town where you can't do anything without the Yoruba language. A Yoruba from southwestern states like Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo and Osun easily migrate to Ilorin and marry Ilorin indigenes than even Nupe that a minority in Kwara.

My wife is an Ilorin indigene and the first time I bring she came with me to even Suleja(not core-north) she was complaining about the custom of the people and how she missed Yoruba land.

Don't get yourself deluded, Ilorin people are of pure Oyo stuck but for politics sake, some may claim northerners but that doesn't stop them from being Yoruba.

Ilorin Muslim marry Christians, tolerate their Christians neighbours, drinks and socialized like every Yoruba. Listen to Bari, listen to Saheed Osupa, Pasuma, migrate to Lagos, watch Yoruba film in huge numbers. Even Nupes in Lafiagi are been Yorubazed.

The current governor of Kwara state is an Ilorin man marries to a Lagos Christian Yoruba. The Yoruba never lost Kwara to anyone, in fact, they are gaining Nupe and baruba territory in Kwara state.

eyeview:
85% of them claiming lagosians are not from lagos state. So you see them register anywhere.
Tinubu is from osun while Ambode is from ondo. They are marginalising the true indigenes of the state.
Most of them you see on this platform claiming lagos and telling others to go are not even from lagos. And if you visit their villages, they dont even have a bucket to their names, talkless of asset

Yes! As long as they are Yoruba they are good to go. A Kwara man, a Yoruba from Kogi can also become a governor in Lagos, the best you could do is wail and wail more

Blue3k:
It's pretty interesting how people make a huge fuss online make a big fuss about state boundries. A good example is Ondo taking Ijaw oil but you never hear said people complain. Igbo land carved out into ss states but they not trying to reunite. I think the reason for both is they're satisfied with government they live under.

Point of correction, the oil in Ondo state belongs to the Ilaje people who are Yorubas.

olawalepopoola:

Yoruba language is more popular in Kwara than Hausa and Fulfude

Hausa is not spoken in any part of Kwara and as a matter of fact, in the southern part of Niger state (Nupe land), Yoruba is widely spoken and commonly spoken than even Hausa.

Blue3k:


Lol I can point to one Yoruba that made a similar thread. These busybodies always strip personal agency to make their victim narratives work. They wont acknowledge simple facts about their voting patterns, intermarriage, not dissolving their monarchies, and revering Usman Dan Fodio etc. It's always some idiotic notion that the fulani forced xyz on them.

Personally, I don't care and I can tell for a fact that only an uninformed Yorubas or those that have never been to the north would get themselves woke up about what happens between the Hausas and Fulani.

As the case may be, these two groups in the northwest and most of the core north are united by religion and no amount of propaganda will make them hate each other. I have been living among the Hausa-Fulani to know how complex their relationships are. The question is will enmity between these groups help the cause of those that want them to be at logger head? The and answer is no.

My problem is with marauding Fulani terrorist, terrorising the nation and kidnapping whomever that comes there way be it Hausa, Fulani or Yoruba.

Blue3k:
What will changing name of traditional rulers achieve? I seriously wonder why I never see Hausa's making these sort of threads or arguments. Its always busybody southerner speaking on their behalf.

More like busybody easterners!

No Yoruba gives a Bleep what the Hausa decides to call their king and if they are comfortable with the Fulani minorities rolling them.

I also know that kings ins Hausa north are called 'seriki', Nupe called their king 'Etsu' while Yorubas in Ilorin call their king Oba. It's only in formal or official purpose that these kings are referred to 'Emir'

Yes!