Maxymilliano:


The hand of Esau but the voice of Jacob, the face is FIRS chair, but the hand is Bubu.

Actually, the Hausa-Fulani will not be happy with the appointment. All these people are Nupe(an ethnicity in Niger state) the same ethnicity with the man. No single Hausa or Fulani is on those appointments

LegendHero:


Then let the South South group speak for themselves.

I have as much right to contribute to this just as much as you do because we are both not from the SS.

So shut your mouth and stop mentioning me!

Maybe your great grandfathers did the Yoruba any favor for you to start calling me an ingrate. Do I owe any of your Igbo ancestors any favor in the first place?

Ipob wouldn't kill me oh. Imagine his audacity!
My brother continues jare, I'm enjoying your contributions

Ayekotoo:


Ilorin people act and behave like the fulanis but same can't be said of other Yoruba people of Kwara. Not all kwarans are Yorubas but the majority are Yorubas.

Ilorin people with Fulani or core northern ancestry despite being phenotypical Yoruba may assert their periphery Fulani/northern identity to get favour politically but when such individuals find himself among Yoruba from the Southwest, also assert their Yoruba identity to get a favour.

There is a huge Ilorin community in Lagos and other southwestern states. They all behave and act like Yoruba. In fact, my mother is Ilorin Yoruba and I see myself as a pure Yoruba.

If you also go back to history you will see that even a substantial percentage of Yoruba in the south have huge ancestry pool from neighbouring ethnic group like Egbira, Nupe(Tapa), Edo and even Hausa/Fulani but this doesn't make them less Yoruba.

Ayekotoo:


Ilorin people are Fulani by extension. Their way of life is akin, ditto their style of dressing. You can't remove Fulanis from the people of Ilorin especially those that are based in the capital city.

The Fulani stock in Ilorin is very small and limited to the ruling Family and some influential people. A great majority of Ilorin people are of Oyo Yoruba descent (about 90%) while the minority has a substantial Fulani, Hausa, Kanuri and Nupe ancestry (like 10%), these groups are now undifferentiable from the average Yoruba.

The dress code has northern influence majorly due to being politically in the north and being majorly a Mulsim town. An average Ilorin man speaks Yoruba (Oyo dialect) better than, eastern Yorubas like Ondo, Ekiti, Ijebu etc). A trip to Ilorin will throw more lights on my explanation.

Ayekotoo:


Though we can't throw away the baby with the bathing water as the case of Kwara. i.e Ilorin is a lost cause not the whole Kwara. Most of them are regilion extremists like the Hausa fulanis.

Many are not. You haven't been to Ilorin obviously. How can religious extremist co-exist with both Christians and traditionalist in their midst? All past Kwara state governor has Christians wife, including the incumbent. Ilorin is not so different from any Yoruba town with a Muslim majority. Ilorin act and behave like every other Yoruba that practices Islam.

orisa37:





ABUJA IS ONE WORD IN YORUBA MEANING SHORT CUTS.

He is right. Abuja is the name of the king of Suleja when Abuja was carved out of Suleja. Though the real name of the King was Abubakar and he came from Zaria, reasons why Suleja emirate is "Zauzau " till date.

Abuja is a gbagwi land and situation in the centre of Nigeria called north central today

Dreason:


you are confused
usman dan fadio decendant killed afonja a yoruba war lord and took over illorin, insalled an emir and swore alliance to the sokoto emirate apart from fulani which other tribe in nigeria call their king emir. buy sense pls

Alimi is not anyway related to Usman dan Fodio.

Dreason:


that does not in any where change the fact that fulani are kings in yoruba land. be sincere if it was igbo that had a fulani as king you'll be shouting coward upandown.
afonja betryed oyo. and foolishly handed illorin to the fulani go and 5x

You can kill yourself the people of Ilorin are cool with their one/emir.

His position is a religious one and mostly ceremonial no one gives a Bleep.

Sunshineg5:
You are the one every sensible person doubts

Your position is always to support your igbo brothers while going against every Yoruba leader in history starting from your Seguno moniker days.

Pathetic! tbh

Don't mind the guy. My mother is from Ilorin and I know a great deal about the history of the town.

So many people that came together to become Yoruba today came from diverse origin but today they are Yoruba.

Dreason:


Alliance ke' why didnt they sware the alliance to oyo? let me school u. the illorin emir grew after the afonjas chickend out stop hiding the main fact. the fulani took over and then bowed to sokoto which is a bigger emirate. jst like britens had emperos, lords,governors in our country during the colonalsysterm

Because they were fighting with Oyo. Ilorin was just a small outpost of Oyo. It has no king because it was part of Oyo, it was Afonja that sort independence for Ilorin when he had a problem with the then Alaafin of Oyo. He achieves this independence with the help of Fulani, Hausa/Nupe (slave from Oyo) and Yoruba Muslim. After independence, Afonja was killed in a palace coup and the son of Alimi was appointed as the 'amir' a title which means the head of Muslim which then metamorphosed into the Oba/emir of Ilorin today.

Historically, Ilorin never hard an Oba so there was no way the Afonja family could claim to be the ruling class of Ilorin and the Ilorin people are cool with the Fulani emir, who are you to disagree.

Dpharisee:


Fulanis deceptively attach themselves to tribes they conquer to confuse the people, during elections they call themselves Hausa-Fulani, after elections are won they call themselves Fulani ethnic group.
Some Yorubas in a ploy to hide the shame of having to Dobale for a Fulani Emir claim that the Fulanis have been Yorubanized

Have you been to Ilorin?
I bet you wouldn't be able to spend a week there if you don't even know how to speak Yoruba.

There as Igala in Anambra but now they are Igbo, the same way are Ilorin Fulanis Yoruba.

Dpharisee:

The Sarakis trace their roots to Abeokuta while Gambari's trace their roots to Sokoto and Futa Jalon

The Gambari doesn't trace its route to Sokoto. The Ilorin emirate grew organically on its own it only sworn alliance to Gwandu at some point in its political life. The Fulani that came to settle in Ilorin all came from old Oyo after they settled there from Mali.

Pick a book to cure your ignorance.

Dpharisee:


Stop displaying your ignorance in public, he is a Fulani man and not Yoruba. He identifies himself as Fulani. Up Buhari indeed!

If you take a DNA test of that man it will return 90% Yoruba, you can't be more Yoruba than that. A great chunk of his ancestor will even come from Oyo which means he speaks only Yoruba as his first language.

The Ilorin people are predominantly Yoruba with small Fulani, Hausa, Nupe and Bariba admixture. We love it like that and we are cool with it.

BTW does that man look like a Fulani to you?

AyakaDunukofia:


You don't get it. It's all about Fulani regardless of state of origin. Gambari is a direct descendant of Alimi, the Fulani conqueror of Ilorin. It's all about Fulani minority conquest.

Gambari is not even from Alimi family self...he is most like a decedent of the Gambari family in Ilorin. They are all Yoruba now.

Dupamecano:


I think it is evident that the biggest blow to african development in the old days was the lack of transference of knowledge. Sahelian states like the Kanem Bornu, Hausa states and the songhai/mali, and even states south of the sahel like the yoruba, nupe, borgu etc who have had some access to trade and knowledge were proof that if the african states enjoyed the level of interaction the european states did they too would be juggernauts because the states i mentioned were ahead of their counterparts mostly due to their involvement in trade. But its not too late. We don't have any excuses now. Seems we're still yet to fully understand and adapt to various concepts of community.

Communication either through rivers or ocean was also a factor. As can also be noted, knowledge is easily transferable between east to west and not necessarily South to North. Since movement eastwards will not lead to changes in weather and any idea in agriculture, animal husbandry can easily be implemented. But movement northward leads to changes in weather which greater affect agriculture, architecture, irrigation etc.
The bottom line is Africans have a misfortune of geography.

Modern Africa states starting with Nigeria can learn and improve on themselves since information is now readily available. I have lived in the north all my life and I know the potential the region has together with the south. We have the potential only if we all can learn how to live together in peace, tackle our most pressing issues in population control, tolerance and building strong institutions. We're better together in a restructured Nigeria where each region will be able to access its resources to solve peculiar problem.

ogbuefi677:

Travel afonja,travel.
Nigeria does not start and end from Lagos to Ore.
Abia is doing better than Osun,Ekiti and Ondo combined.
Living conditions oo,per capita income etc.

Ipob the statistician. You forgot to add that Abia is doing better than. America, China, Japan and Germany combined, in fact, Abia is a paradise.

Dupamecano:


The history of most hausa states is well documented. Nobody did a number on anybody. Humans as a race of course are extremely old, but the hausa/gobir/sokoto identity was established long after the arabian identity was.

Sadly agree with you on this. The Afrocentric are as guilty as those eurocentric that uses pseudoscience to drive home their point.

The Arab identity as taken route before any Sahelian state we're birthed. The Sahel and the rest of black Africa have the misfortune of not being located along the route ancient trade.

9japride:
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Don't be mischievous. How will the bridge provide employment for Anambrarians? Kaduna people are enjoying government money through civil service jobs over there. Igbos have always complain of marginalization since after the civil war and you lot always insult them that they too like playing the victim card, that's why Igbos prefer to have their own country to be free from people who preach one Nigeria only for mouth but when it comes to inclusive government, you say they are not welcome. Such a wicked behaviour. Keep supporting evil The system of government we run in Nigeria today gives the presidency too much power to influence development. Is Buhari not practicing nepotism, in this present civilization a leader is still doing petty politics and people like you are in support. Its very difficult for any elective office holder to do much if you are not in the presidency. You guys always have the plan for Igbos to suffer. Rather it will awaken the Igbos to be more useful to themselves.

Southeastern states individually have more civil servant than Kaduna, in fact, the east has the highest number civil servant among all the six geo-political zones despite having the smallest population.

Validfacts:
No. North central ain't landlocked. Kwara, Niger, and Benue has borders leading outside Nigeria.

They are landlocked. Any piece of land that has no direct access to the sea is landlocked.

Throwback:


The blue lines are for the water bodies.

Besides everyone knows River Orange runs through Lesotho. Many other rivers and tributaries of rivers run through the landlocked country.

You can use the Niger river tributaries leading to the sea, just as the Nupe or Igala can despite being further upland from the shores of Nigeria.

However, you are at the mercy of the Non-Igbo tribes or Nigerian territory who are below you and who will dictate the political and economic terms by which you will be allowed exit into the sea or entry from the sea.

The questions are what volume of ship/boat the river can take as it is well known that river Niger is highly 'silted'. It may be more economical to use the port of neighbouring countries using a rail and dry port in the east.

The reason why the east wouldn't be viable is not only because it is landlocked but because it will also be overcrowded, lack any meaningful natural or human resources to develop, surrounded by hostile neighbours and will just be coming out from a much bigger and prosperous nation. The Igbo fail to realise that they are just a parasite in the entity called Nigeria. They take more than they contribute and get to travel everywhere to trade or constitute nuisances. If allow economic reality to dictate for them and not emotion they wouldn't be agitating for self-governance.

The Igbos need the oil-rich delta and part of Benue and Taraba to go with them. They need the deltas not because of oil (since oil will soon be useless) but because of valuable arable land.

haffaze777:





This is what the Op wrote which u turn blind eyes to only to started preaching love to throwback, don't u think u need to talk some sense to Op who started d madness before u can tell Yoruba not to reply him in his own way?

Don't mind Ipob, they like to play the victim card. Left for me, I want Nigeria to disintegrate so that these boastful people can have a country on their own. It will be a rude awakening for them because such a nation will be a total failure.

Throwback:



Fact is always bigotry to Ndigbo.

Are your clansmen not already hating the NBS boss because of statistical data that is factual?

The level of illiteracy and arrogance normally exhibited by Ipob on this platform is mind-blowing. This nigga should be thanking you for educating his sorry ass but their hubris will never allow them to learn.

I stop taking them seriously because whatever analysis you put forward they will never learn.

maestroferddi:
We believe in live and let live, simple.

The Igboman was born in a competitive position, just like Sir Alex quipped about a certain pesky forward.

The Yorubas were ahead of the Igbos at one point in history...Igboman attitude?

No beef, no acrimony, no jealousy because only losers waste their time getting dragged into the cesspool of petty envy...

We went to work and today the result is writ large.

Have a happy Sunday as well...

How are you ahead of the Yorubas now? Always beating your empty chest.

The Igbos are really suffering from an inferiority complex, it will take forever to catch up with the Yorubas.

nku5:


You must be a jambite. Go get some knowledge and stop posting silly memes.

SW made a deal 54 years ago with the north and the north never forgets. They plan generational, not yearly and they owned Lagos waterways for years and now the new road to the port will be owned by them and you shall soon start paying a toll to use it

You talk like an illiterate, reasons why you look all discussion from your narrow myopic view. The Hausa-Fulani north will not be able to even to persuade the tribes in what is presently called Northcentral to stay with them not to talk having access to Lagos port. The moment the Nigeria states dies, the moment other ethnic nationalities other than the Yoruba stop having access to Lagos. They will all come as foreigners at the whims of the host the Yorubas.

Fools everywhere, paying tolls to access a road in your own country. This internalized fair for the Hausa-Fulani north are the reasons for the hate and love relationship between the Igbos and the north. When Nigeria stop being a country, western foreign policies will block out any destructive element from the north. Take this to the bank

AreaFada2:

It's people from outside Edo State trying to Stoke ethnic hate. People of various ethnic and religious backgrounds have co-existed in Greater Benin for centuries. Of which Edo just a small part. I do not know how people foolishly thought naming the state Edo state was wise. Edo traditionally means central Benin City. Not even including Uselu. Whereas Benin was the empire.

Even Gov Obaseki's great great grandfather came from Anioma. But they see themselves as Benin today. In Edo people have the liberty to identify as they want. We do not need outsiders to bring us their tribalism and tribal agenda.
Benin was capital of an empire from 1440 to 1897. Various people brought their talents and settled there.

People like Stella Damasus Aboderin, Ramsay Nouah and many others were born in Benin. It has been a melting pot for centuries.

Ramsay Nouah was born in Lagos to Israel father and Yoruba mother ( from Ondo town in Ondo state). Be guided.

=wowcatty post=88549062]If I tell you how I hate Yoruba leaders for destroying the youths and setting them up for failure! Yoruba allowed their land to be cement slabs all over and foreigners coming in to do as they wish.

I totally understand your point of view sir, but even the youth also are to be blamed. Yorubas are generally very open-minded in their approach towards others. such an outlook towards life is dangerous in a country made up of very toxic rival groups. We all fail to protect our interest and show too much love to our enemy. This weakens our defences and portrays us to be vulnerable. We need to start treating other ethnic nationality the way we'll be treated if we were in their land.

No investment will go to certain places even they give land out for free but Yoruba dropped the ball entirely by having all God could give a people and still didn't use it for our own good.

It is good to be the economic hub of the nation. Our hospitality, Lagos, tolerance etc are the reason why these company decided to set up shops in the west for a start. We need to continue to push for more investment in the southwest since the people region normally benefits from such directly or indirectly.

I spoke against Dangote cement factory before the construction few years back that it's too dangerous for health reasons and how things like that should be in unpopulated areas like Lagos/Ibadan expwy or far places like 1 hour from the nearest town but no one else said anything about it then. I even said if we can stop selling land to Nigerians who will later use it to insult us and instead lease to expats for 50 years. If Nigerians come to Yorubaland and can't expand they won't be flocking in.

Dangote investment is positive for the region. Jobs are created, the local economy is improved and ultimately people are lifted out of poverty. The environmental impact is the necessary evil, that must be tolerated to Industrialized.

The western states can't legislate on how to sell land to foreigners or other Nigerians because they will be going against the constitution of Nigeria. That is the major reason why some of us are clamouring for total restructuring that will empower ethnic nationality to legislate over their land and resources.

Philippines don't sell land to foreigners at all, you rent for 25 years and keep renewing or marry a Filipino and put it in his/her name. Why can't Yoruba do this to save the rest of their children's future.

The Philippines is a sovereign nation with the power to legislate and make laws based on the prevalent social-economic standing. The south is not.

Also, all federal govt jobs in Yorubaland should be filled with Yoruba first before the next Nigerians this is how it is done everywhere except in Yorubaland. This is why we keep seeing this kind of threads, they must have been thinking that if we could allow the other injustice to stick, we will allow this too.

This makes sense since Yorubas are not considered in other parts of Nigeria why should we give our spot out to them.

Tobrasky:
So in these lock down crisis nationwide, the East so far and to some extent parts of the North have been the least affected/hit by the COVID19 crisis, there have been no reports of hunger protests or other forms of social unrest anywhere in the East as far as reports go.

But the case is quite different In the Southwest, the supposedly utopian region of sophisticated billionaires, the most civilized people in Africa according to some, and the region with the lowest poverty index in the world (no pun intended) according to many. Yet the reports of thousands scrambling for oil in muddied waters keep emerging from Ogun state, the other day it was hundreds scrambling for ordinary bread in Lagos (whatever happened to social distancing)?, in Ogun state again another report of young men protesting/attacking Chinese owned businesses emerged... needless to mention increasing cases of the COVID19 in major parts of the region...now we have Awawa boys, 1 million boys and other criminal outfits terrorising parts of Lagos (I know they will as usual blame the Igbos on these one again ) even the majority if not all of the suspects and perpetrators caught so far have all been Yorubas.

So my question is, where are all these paper statistics of the South West been the most buoyant region in Africa, the richest and all the accolades that have been mellifluously accorded to the region by many here? how come we're not seeing these facts on ground? Please I want someone to explain to me what's actually going on... No insults please.

Where are all the Yoruba Forbes list billionaires, and what are they doing to curb these hunger games madness going on in the SW states?

It is not evident that the south-east was not affected in any way by the total lockdown.

When we say the south-west has the least poverty prevalent rate in Nigeria, we mean that it has the lowest percentage of poor compared to other regions of Nigeria. That doesn't mean that there're no poor people in the west.

Furthermore, in a low earning country like Nigeria where most people work in the informal sector of the economy and where people live literally from hand to mouth with any considerable savings. It will be expected that people can't stay at home too long before they go hungry. Same reason why countries like India and South Africa are having the same problem. Even in the developed world, the government have to give palliative to the people to soften the effect of the crises or people's lively hood.

Anambralstson:

Why ondo is on top is because of oil exploration that's why other major oil producing states like Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom and Delta are on top, minus oil exploration Ondo is far below Anambra state in industrial sector.

When you come up with a hypothesis, to be taken seriously you need to back it with facts. You can't just make such a statement without any evidence.

Even before the discovering of oil, Ondo was the largest producer of cocoa, Kolanut and one the largest producer of timber in Nigeria. The production of these cash crops brings about the development of industries.

When Easterners compare their states to the southwest, they only look at their trading and how huge their market is. From this shaking foundation, they normally conclude that they're the Japan of Africa without looking at other sectors of the economy.

You people should really pray that Nigeria divides on Friendly terms, if not so many money making institutions in Yorubaland will die a natural death.

How would they die a natural death? Is it because you wish so or economic reality will force them to?
The last time I check, the Yoruba nation has a population of between 40-50m. This is close to a country like South Africa, a country with more university and founding for education than the whole of Nigeria. If Nigeria divide, no matter the circumstance surrounding her division, rest assured that the Yoruba will be okay and will put these institutions to great use.

These are the reasons why I tell my own people that we must work together with Igbos & Nigerdeltans.
If Nigeria must divide, the 3 of us must go together and have at least a sort of Confederacy like the UK where everyone controls his/her resources and nation. We have everything to gain from each other and everything to loose from each other. But u pompous Yorubas thinking u don't need anyone because your settlers dominated Lagos and Private institutions dey catch una, body go tell una when the country divide.

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The gain from such a union pales in comparison to the problem these two religious extremist group will post. When Nigeria finally disintegrate the Yorubas will go out alone without forming a union with anyone.

LegendHero:


You are being emotional now by trying to lump Ilorin issue with the middle-belt.

How many times have you heard of ethnic clashes in Ilorin? How many times have the Fulanis killed or fight in Ilorin?

You said Fulanis are controlling Kwara/Ilorin, I asked how? you suddenly resorted to talking about the middle-belt and an imaginary Sokoto Caliphate that have already outlived his dominance.

Stop dragging the Yorubas into your fracas with the core-North. Always distinguish the two!

Again:
How are the Fulanis controlling Kwara/Ilorin in the present dispensation. What is the power of the Fulanis on the Kwara/Ilorin architecture in general? Do they constitute the highest number of elected officials, political power, economic power, religious power, educational intellectuals, and etc? What exactly do you mean by control?

One problem with the middle belt is the presence of the two contrast civilization. It is a melting point between two fundamentalists. On the one hand, we have the Hausa-Fulani fanatics, on the other hand, we have the northern Christians fanatics. It is really a huge mess.

The guy always likes to project this scenario on to the politics and social-economic structure of Ilorin. I know Ilorin very well, I know her history and I can tell that the Yoruba are completely in control. Though some of the Yorubas there might have mixed ancestries (who doesn't?).

Nowenuse:


Ogbeni, the Sudan Savannah in Kwara state does not belong to the Yorubas! It is mostly in Kwara north and it belongs to the Nupes & Baribas!

Yorubas don't have up to 10,000km² of Sudan Savannah.

Do you have a subtropical climate like Plateau state & Mambilla (Taraba), where you can grow Tea, Strawberries, Irish potatoes, Carrots, Cabbages, e.t.c?

I'm not denying the fact that we may have to buy some commodities from neighbouring African countries but it is not compulsory that it has to be from the middle belt or northern Nigeria.

We have neighbours in Benin republic that speak Yoruba, have fertile landmass and offer lower wages than the North. When Nigeria finally disintegrate, Yoruba northernmost borders will have to be tightest.

You guys will literally beg the Yoruba nation to allow your product to be exported through our port.
Note; I don't have a problem with the middle belt, it will most likely serve as a buffer zone between the more developed southwest and the Islamic Republic of Arewa.

Nowenuse:


That was the same thing I said, unless with serious govt intervention and investment will Yorubaland ever be self sufficient in food production.
And this will only be possible in an Oodua nation.

Besides, what will you people do about crops that do not grow in your area? I know u will say Genetic modification

The Yorubaland is so blessed that it has all the vegetation zones apart from the Sahel Savannah (which is useless).

These are the vegetation zones in Yorubaland and the crops grown in these areas.
1. Rainforest in states like Ogun, Ondo, Sun, Oyo, Ekiti. This vegetation zone is where most of the fruit, timbers, tuber crops, cash crops etc are produced.

2. Guinea Savannah in states like Oyo, Ogun, Kwara and Yoruba part of Kogi. This is the vegetation zones where the cassava, Yam, cashew and other cash crops can be grown.

3. Sudan Savannah in Kwara state is where most of the cereal crops, Tomatoes, pepper, sugarcane etc can grow.

We have the landmass to be self-sufficient in the production of food and cash crop in Yoruba land.