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EgunMogaji:
I personally went with longspan because it's the one that has the cleanest line, imho.

You should look at your plan and then compare houses that are similar to yours with different roof types.

Sometimes the most expensive is not the best.

The most designed might not be the most functional.


Add your own.

lastpage:
SALUTE!

If you have phone contacts of any of this sellers now or later, pls pass it on.
It will save me time asking around 'blindly'.

Thank you Sir.

Lastpage!

I don't have it.

lastpage:
No where in Lagos?

Do you have the Abuja link maybe l can persuade them to bring it down while l pay the extra transport.

Why do you use "polystyrene and concrete" together?
Is it that it is a made of a mixture of both or was that just a typo?

Lastpage!

You can get from a company in Oniru and there's another one in Ikoyi that does complete building solution.

More of them are in the trade now but I'm yet to patronize them.

For the Windows, Doors, Internal and Exterbal Decoratives like ericko2k2 posted, you'll get them in Jibowu.

lastpage:
Sorry if l was brutal with you, l just want you to do a reality check.

Learning? Yes o! We all learn from each other.... whether we agree or not.

"We die, the day we stop learning". - ?

Bring it on.

Where can one get this Polystrene Foam Parapet, if ever there was one? I think one can use in place of all these Concrete, to reduce the building's weight. Though, it has to be non-load-bearing..... just a decor for the edges.

Lastpage!

Baba, did you say brutal? Let me remind you, this is Brabus.

I've seen far worse but it moved me not because I'm been propelled by the inner truth which gives me peace at all time.

@ lastpage, thanks for the kind words. Points well noted.

I'm very conscious of the environment.

Can we continue learning?

kino47:
HE WHO HAS EARS LET HIM HEAR THIS GUY CALLED BRABUS,NEXTHOME,N3XT AND OTHER CODED NAMES HE IS USING TO DEFEND HIMSELF ON THIS THREAD BEWARE, ITS NOT HIS FAULT ITS A PROBLEM HE HAS BEEN CARRYING FOR LONG I PRAY GOD HEAL HIM BECAUSE HE CAN DEFRAUD EVEN HIS OWN CHILD AND DEFEND IT.

I know when you're back to senses, you'll come back and apologize as you always do.

https://www.nairaland.com/2486191/ikorodu-mansion-diy-report/4#36564038

Good boy!

kino47:
yes nah because what is left to say about you or haven't you noticed that you have finished yourself. all lies and mistrust no integrity KOBO.na ur kids i pitty for after you destroy that name you will leave it for them to contend with.

BIG UPS to all the sincere engineers in the house SHOUT OUT to spyder,segcymor,segzy14,skimanski and lafolabi and co.

QC1 God will see you through and by his GRACE it will be resolved. the computer scientist will meet his match very soon you just hold on OK the only engineer have seen using 6inch block for foundation of a building going up, WHAT AN IDIOT.

I'll continue to remind you in my prayers because of the Brabus sickness.

Go and search again if more people haven't build with the same 6in block here on Nairaland.

Where were you then to call them names as usual?

Just like you claimed one of my site was flooded a year ago only to find out you're not right and had to apologize.
https://www.nairaland.com/2486191/ikorodu-mansion-diy-report/4#36552593
Are you the one who removed the flood?

Are you going to apologize for the 6in block accusation because even the best in the trade have used it without brouhaha here? Is it because Brabus name was mentioned that it became an issue.


I know it's Brabus-sickness. God will heal you!

lastpage:
Its a "Site Uniform"..... You dedicate some "strong wears" for tough site jobs.



Lastpage!

Abeg baba no mind that kino47, na only shirt hin see for all we dey discuss since.

Anyway, the build happened within 40 days and that shirt was my newest pick that time. I just dey rock am

lastpage:
Noooo, that is not what l mean!

I was saying you cant say 'This building used Pile foundation, yet it sank", to justify that piled buildings too can sink.
I then responded that if that happens, it is beacuse the PILE FAILED.... not properly done.

I have seen some so-called PILE done on Nairaland and l am not very convenient with the process used.

Just one of them, if on very bad land, MAY Fail in future.

Ofcourse, taking the right preventive measures is a pre-requisite.



Lastpage!

Piles don't sink if rightly done, they get displaced.

Piles can fail just like any other type of foundation. For instance Driven piles can fail at head or toe or along the body with each hammer impact.
Incorrect geotechnical report could cause a major failure if the pile failed to hit the bedrock.

That's the reason why a Pile load test is very important when building mega structures or bridges. For residential, most times the report assumes the embedment to resist lateral load.


Baba, una don work me out today o!

agarawu23:
its really challenging, only millionaires like u people u can try it

Dont you know there's money is being chosen as a prefect in property forum.

Especially the who writes name of noise maker. Lots of kickbacks from offenders.

erico2k2:
Nop it's got piles and then 3 board re enforced concreatl then 4 Coaches of block yoy see

You did well leaving it for a while.

erico2k2:
Nop it's got piles and then 3 board re enforced concreat5b4 the 4 Coaches of block yoy see

It's evident you no dey miss class at all. You did all foundation types on one build.

Pls use precast slab on top o

Tritri:
But wait ooh..This Brabus of a Guy Everyone just tired of you.Na only U be the Quake Builder with problem up and down...Why not go check yourself Abi na Spiritual problem?

In a street of over 20 houses, there is Only one house with a raft foundation. The first of its kind in the area. Yes, I can say that again. Every other buildings were built on block (strip) foundation. Not even solid blocks but hollow blocks.

Now, we did 4 board raft, there's a complain it should have been 6. There's another complain it should have been Pile. Or caisson pile. At some point, we wanted to put one of the column supporting 3rd mainland bridge to support a bungalow built by Brabus.

Now, what did others did differently that they were able to stay afloat on the same ground our building cannot stay. The ground that people are recommending 1st of its kind in the whole of AGA, Ikorodu (with about 500 houses) Pile foundation.


THEY KEEP WATER OFF THEIR PROPERTY!

@ Tritri, I know there's a problem but definitely not with me. Here's the reason:

If I set block like every other person, people will say why not raft at least 2 boards
I did 4 boards, they said why not 6 boards.
If I do 6 boards, some people will say isn't that too heavy for a wet land?
If I stay off compromises, they'll say why did you stay off.
If I choose to remain on the project, they'll say when you see those issues why did you not leave immediately and get the client to write an undertaking of indemnity.
If I ask for letter of indemnity, they'll say customer is always right. He is the chief project director. He can fire and hire at will.
If I complain online, they'll say did you articulate very well offline?
If I articulate too well, they'll say must you always blow your trumpet?
If I choose to remain silent, they'll say you no know him. I've been calling him for 100 years and he won't respond.
If I choose to respond, they'll say silence is golden. Let your action do the work.
If I made reference to what works Mr X, they'll ask why did you single Mr Lagbaja out and not minding what Mr X did differently.
If I made reference to successful jobs done in different terrains, they'll call it apple vs orange as if both of them are not edible fruits.
If I foresee a great problem detrimental to the building, they'll reject it in Jesus name.
If I proffer a solution, they'll ask why didn't you implement the fix as if it's done with mouth and not money.

I pray for all those having Brabus-sickness that God will heal them because I really don't know what else to do to satisfy people.


Brabus

I'll rather remain a quack who want an immediate solution than be a pro who play the waiting game.



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Sir lastpage, I've received call from Qc1, we will work thing out. I pray for wisdom and financial resources to tackle the issue once and for all.

#prayfortheclient

kino47:
@QC1 @BRABUS please from the picture am seeing there are other buildings that look older that are close to QC1's house what have those ones done right that has totally gone wrong in your project.

Secondly Brabus can you tell us what you can do to stop this nightmare and also can you please go to the site and fix it for CHRIST SAKE

The houses ensured water is not staying in their compound. The immediate one next to sir Qc1 channeled their waste water into Sir Qc1's land

All of them did block foundation while we did raft.


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Oga Qc1, can you call me?

Qc1:
brabus claimed that the 2nd floor blocks were laid by some student. The pic below shows brabus/Bosun/ Nexhome associate supervening the professional brick layers he duped N20,000. Again do those guys look like students as he claimed? If they were, then why are you supervising them? SMH.

Bros, I was with you all through the project except during block work but I cannot stop you from doing your thing.

Are you saying the students weren't on the site? And I didn't called you not to mess up this project?

Also, the people in pics? Are they my bricklayers? They're another set of bricklayers your brother brought when the students were sent off. Look at the face very well. They're from Ikorodu. Beside, I don't use old men!
Please compare them with people who did the ground floor or any of my project.

What else?

The raising of the parapet? I gave you boys who worked for you when you promised to fix the drainage before leaving the country.

Qc1:
This are some of the pic i have for now. I'm not in Naija currently but i have a lots of pic of brabus on site from the foundation to the 2nd floor lintel level. Bosun/brabus/Nexthome is in indicated with red in these pix below.

pic #4 was taken by brabus, showing his right hand man/associate when they were still filling the compound with laterite sand.I still can't believed he actually came here to lie that I did it.

Bros, this are all lies!

All pics are not showing Brabus filling your site. It only shows the excavation of your fence which was done by you. The guy was just standing observing while I took the pic of the house and he told me about the development in site as per fence and I visited the Sunday after only to find you inside the gutter with the a.bokis.
At least you remember mumuni and his team who excavated the fence and sandfill were brought by your brother. Or is it me? And Kunle Indomie is your bros pally? He's the one paying him? So why drag me into it?

Can you send the date on the last pic?

3strikes:
Lastpage more respect and lots of wisdom in your comments. Just to air my opinion on this your comment above....Here is what I think. I think a good and honest builder should just walk away the moment the client is not taking his/her recommendations to counter a future structural problem. And like you said earlier "what if the client refuses to sign that he / she was warned"......well thats even the best opportunity to throw those two fingers in the air (Dueces) and walk away.

I want to believe if Brabus had done the above, it will be a different story today.


Brabus built my flats and he didnt owe me a kobo or ran away with my money. Was his work perfect and did we have good customer experience? No! Infact I remember when brabus said you know you can build this 2 stories without doing raft foundation becos your land is not swampy..this is after I have sent him the Arch and structural plan which clearly stated Raft foundation o...I just cant thank God enuf for been able to say NO then.....if not I for they watch the house sinking now.


@QCi, I dont even know what and how to advice you sir. I honestly think Lastpage has said it all. This is just sad and so unfortunate. I pray you find a lasting solution for this sinking house.

@brabus, I have no doubt that you are a smart guy. Although I cant speak for all but I have benefited a lot from your contributions on this forum. Am sorry to say you will have to retrace your steps and learn how to eat humble pie sometimes.

Can you keep a secret bro? Most people here including me enjoy ur comments for entertaining and learning purpose but most of it are doing more damages than good to ur brand. Let people who know more about customer service write more on this..But I know its the soul of any business. Our world got smaller with easy access to internet and all these comments arw easily accessible now to millions of people around the globe.

Are you in this business just to entertain with words and pictures or to build a solid brand and make money?

Bragging and being cocky with your comments to ur clients is really a piss off. Does it bothers me? Not really. cos it doesnt pay my bills or put food on my table.


What I have realize lately is that there is so much to learn on this thread if one can just take a back seat for sometime to digest all the good stuff.



By the way It is never too late to make a good comeback. Just think about all these for a second.

3strikes!!!

3strikes, I'm happy for the bolded. Maybe if you sit back and consider things from both angles you'll understand the nitty gritty of this business.

All the time, it's not always about who wins or who lose. Who's smart or who is not?

It's all about building a safe structure that everyone will be happy to talk about.

You'll recollect at a point in time (from 1st slab), I called your attention to the roof design in your house and tell you, it's nice but not functional.

I even went ahead to suggest slabbibg the little portion meant to be roofed (with extra cost of N500k) than keeping it open. But what did you see, you saw the negatives. Extra money to be spent and unnecessary delay. You never considered the positives which includes have additional revenue generating flat cos you'll have 6 units of 2 bed flats, you'll have a maintenance free roof and you may not have to go into battle with anyone.

I'm not saying you're wrong to stay where yo were but you believed the architects design more than the builders observation. And this made me to ask you to write to absolve the builder of all claims should there be any issue even though I knew any issue experienced will be easy to manage.

When you called to tell me your roof is leaking, I just shook my head and asked the boys to go and fix it. Do you consider telling you of the challenges ahead of time bragging?

I'll ask you to take time to study how we were doing the roof in K-024 and see if it's the same thing with yours. That's why everything isn't about finding trouble. You never know who is working in your interest.

So it's not always about who is right or wrong but what interest does the suggestion given serve. My self interest? Or the owners interest?


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To the main issue, we were facing a challenge that needs a serious attention and all help even online and offline were seek by the builder (though many fail to see that) right from the Groundworks but is the client really helping?


Brabus

abdulwastecx:
The owner of this building have all the right to be angry because of his large sum of money that has gone into this structure, sometimes we builders raises people hope too high by not telling them the truth.

Hiring a competent builder like builder who brings up solutions and write countless number of pages about how they can solve all the problem associating with water Lodge area should come with some peace of mind. Such builder should be able to explain to client all the precautions and test that should be carried out before starting a building project

Abdul, there are over 20 houses in the area with strip foundation. What do you make up if that?

They pushed away water. This is just a bungalow. The building directly opposite is a massive 4 flat and it's standing. I asked the people around. The fence fell but the dos perimeter drain.


Prevention is better than cure.

Let's talk about what we didn't do at all and not what we did wrong.

Well I agree with your thesis that pile (the first in about 500 homes) will be the best.

Bros I don't have to do all this one with you.

So, I'm off!

You can post pictures of the Sandfilling that I did with Kunle Indomie. And the pictures of the professional students in school uniform (white shirt and gray trousers numbering about 30) that did the upper structure. Are they the ones Im supposed to pay 20k. Did I engage them?

And the 300k fence budget that you gave me which you claimed I ran away with.
Bros remember I came back on Sunday morning and I saw you inside the gutter with the Abokis doing your drainage and fence.
I should have taken pictures. I never ran away. I came back saw you and walked away.

You know I even had to pay your blood brother as a supervisor. How much more workers?

I'm not saying you're lying but it seems you forget things so easily.


Brabus

lastpage:
My brother Brabus,

You are comparing "Apples with Oranges" here!

You are only looking at the surface Water..... you are not considering the fact that just below that water surface, at a distance of less than 10ft below ground level, this particular land can be HARD ROCK!

Qc-1's land[b] is PURE SWAMP! Pure Mangrove Swamp![/b]

I thought you said you have lived on Water or close to water before? I am not talking about that type of Ikorodu Water (Ocean)
I am talking about Bariga, Orile, Mende in Maryland, Makoko, e.t.c type of Swamp.

You can identify them by the type of Plants that grow in those places: Short palms (the useless ones that dont produce palm wine but thongs), that leaf that floats on water (cant remember the English name roght now but Yorubas call it "Oju-ooro, Osibata", Plants with stilt-roots that keep the body of the plant above water, brackish-salty water, e.t.c.

I can bet this is the situation on ground in that place.

That other man was just lucky he had good soil underneath the top soil!

Only a Soil test can tell you definitively, the type of foundation you can safely use.
Any other thing is guess work.... and this is the result.



Lastpage!

So bro's how come all other buildings in the area survived with strip on pad foundation.

They were all pushing the water away from them. The building beside pushed its water into the land using a pipe buried beneath ground. The building is always dry except during the rains.


The last pics posted has a building near it advertised for sale because it's completely useless to the owner as it has sank beyond flood level. It's a crazy swamp with roots!

I don't joke with water in the foundation or the roof!

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So because it's Apple vs orange, the right preventative measures should be ignored.


Brabus

The project above is a massive 3 unit duplex, not even a bungalow.

I hope the owner will be glad to post finished pictures here to see if there are any issues with the build.

We were upfront with the challenges and not waiting to play the blame game.


Brabus

@ lastpage,


Here's another Brabus Project in a more challenging terrain.

Foundation type: Raft
Fixes applied: Water exclusion


The client bought fillings that I cannot just talk about. We went ahead to redo the raft foundation securing the perimeters not minding what the old neighbours had done on their fences. The client bought pumping machine, hose, boots, did bamboo bridges over the water and did everything and anything that will help him secure his property. This came at extra cost but everything is done at the foundation stage. At a point he left to come back and continue after securing the property.

The building is owned by one of us here and I can tell you it is standing tall among equals.

No soil test! Maybe the client is lucky implementing the fixes recommended by a fluke and not ignoring them.

Sir lastpage, I'm not an engineer, not even learned in any related field, but I know exactly what I'm doing. Anyway, I want a pro to shed light!

I know you're not one either so those theories you're postulating above are just what you think.

Displacement do not occur at the bedrock. It occurs at the liquified layers that's why engineered soil are recommended for proper draining of water. I'm a geography student and had wanted all my life to be a geologist.
You'll never see any bridge built in running water whether it has 1000ft deep pile or not. Do you agree? And why? PRESSURE!

You'll never see a bridge in a flood plain without proper stabilization of the soils. You know? BEARING PRESSURE from liquefied soils which causes displacement.



Baba, make I no too talk.



The building in the attached is siting on pile. What happened?



Brabus


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Again, this is for educational purpose.

Sir lastpage, as per your last comment. I'll differ to the professionals in the house and outside the borders to comment on it.

Qc1:
^^^


I'm just the owner of the house not a builder, so Bosun looked at the house in the neighborhood and came up with the foundation. I don't evevn know that is called "Raft" before I hired him to build my dream home.

As you can see, all he has done is to make noise here on the internet. Because he has showed no remorse, that's why I may take a legal action. There's one "agbaya" here that everyone on this thread hate so much, and he will push Bosun into a ditch with his encouragement.

Yet, the owner

1. Sandfilled the house with laterite despite been adviced against using such type of sand in the terrain. Or was the builder ever present during the Sandfilling of the structure?
2. Sandfilled the compound with laterite
3. Raised the upper structure with students on practical despite stopping work to resolve the water issues by the builder.
4. Built the collapsed fence despite the builder turning off the offer for fear of compromises.

twinskenny:
won't the quantity be reduced?

No! With 2 days rain, it's only the colourants and the unnecessary ingredients that will be washed off.

If it takes longer time in the rain, it washes off the nutrient.

But that'll only make it a sharp sand for a different application.

EgunMogaji:
Thanks, Dude, I'm totally stoked.

I actually just needed to know if I should order another load, I won't go apeshit on my suppliers for N15k ($40).

This is why I ask questions even though I know it pisses some certain sectors off but oh well

Buy as much as needed now, the rain is coming and it'll help remove the silt and clay contents.

And more importantly turn your jollof rice into fried rice.

lastpage:
I jsaw the below in Brabus's diary of the same QC1 house.

https://www.nairaland.com/1338637/chateau-ile-oluji-construction-journal/44#20528892

Which makes me to conclude that Brabus could have done this really?

Question is: Why was this not done? .... even if a Pile cannot be done, it can be done on a very wide inverted-T Raft.
Hopefully, if the "load/Weight" of the house was then properly managed, it might just sink a little before the various laws of "Fluids and Upthrust" come into play

Would that be a decision of the Builder .... or the Client?

Lastpage!

The bolded part in red above sums up the problem. Even a pile foundation will be displaced in a liquified soil. This explains why soil stabilization is very critical in foundation design.

It should be the builders decision to a large extent but I'm not willing to discuss that now because even when the builder took a drastic decision to stop work, the owner chooses to continue work.


Brabus.


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I'm responding to this for educational purpose and not a project defense. Neither is it to proof who is right or wrong but for learning purpose.

KolaShangOne:
Just a thought..

The "window hood" designs we do with mortar (either precast or in-situ). Can we explore options like thick plastic or polystrene?

Wood, Polystrene and Aluminium should work. So also steel but not in areas water can reach.

Plastic for outdoor application is a Big No for me.

On May 22, Brabus wrote:

n3xt:
Suggestion:

Leave for 2 - 3 rains to wash away the colors and impurities, it'll come out fine like River sand. This is where Baba Lati's experience count though.

@ Egunmogaji, Jesus has wash away your sins. Go and sin no more.

Ask and you shall receive.

EgunMogaji:
Brabus you're a wizard

After two rains look what happened, just like you said.

Bros, there's a place of theories and there's a place of practical experience.
Though it appears like "Mr Know-it-all" but that's what fate did to me. But look at what happened within just 2 days, even though it's had to believe.

Iriri l'agba. Mo dupe l'owo eyin Agba o.

Now, it's no longer a filling dirt. It doesn't look like a rip off again. This is what my sojourn with Baba Lati's of this world had taught me.

This is one of the opportunity this forum has afforded us.

You could have taken it upon your supplier based on comments here that he's playing pranks with you but see what happened after just two days.

diordaves:
[center] Creative Use of redundant Space[/center]

With the rapacious presence of mobile phone, the traditional public telephone booth is gradually going out of fashion. Here in the UK, the British Telecom is steadily decommissioning the booths with near zero patronage. This leave the question as to what to do with the empty redundant booths. I know of some telephone booths that have been creatively converted into roadside public libraries.

But the picture below is a new one on me; a booth being converted into a salad kiosk to serve office workers in Holborn, central London at lunchtime. The business was brisk and famished workers queued up to be served. This demonstrate how far one could get with creative thinking.

This brings me to a feasibility business plan I commissioned in Nigeria to convert retired Lagos Molue to short stay holiday home/shops in a business park scenario. There are a couple of available lands in Lagos, Fiditi in Ibadan and Asaba but the problem holding the project back is the lack of affordable access to heavy moving equipment to lift any purchased Molue in a low-loader for transportation to site. Some quotes I received could do a raft foundation twice over which will negate the whole idea. I'm looking at other options at the moment.

Respect!