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babangida's daughter is the 2nd or 3rd wife of shinkafi, she is very educated, young and successful, your argument is baseless

just stop it, apart from contraceptives making them free, all your points are silly

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=785821.msg9387593#msg9387593 date=1319188143]How can we reduce population growth? ,    it's simple, we just have to empower women in our society.

1, Every girl has to be at least educated to post-secondary school level. ( Should apply to both sexes)

2. The legal age for marriage should be 18 throughout the federation ( under-age marriage in the north and other parts of the country should be stopped)

2, Women who are willing to set up any form of business should find it easier to obtain loans. Esp women in rural areas that are willing to engage in small or medium scale business. ( according to research, women are good at paying back loans when compared to men).

3, All forms of contraception should be free ( or heavily subsidized). The knowledge or know-how of these contraceptives should be taught in schools ( SSS class and in colleges, polytechnics and University). Sex education won't make our kids promiscuous but will rather empower them with options and choices. ( If we can be taught reproductive system in biology class, why can't we go a step further with sex education?)

One reason my mum, and her sisters had fewer kids is because they worked all their reproductive lives and are still working. The moment we empower our women ( make them less dependable on men), our population growth will slow down.   

Come to think of it, Would a rich, educated woman want to be a second wife to a man? [/quote]

hahaha real men dont hit women, not even a headbutt, i swear


[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=784175.msg9387381#msg9387381 date=1319185996]
Hehehe, oya lemme hit you and see it you'll headbutt me [/quote]

if it is once you just have to take it like a man and ignore it and talk a little, but 2 or 3 or 4 times, then grab the woman by the arms and headbutt her














joke

i dont have the statistics, but be asured that it is becoming less and less these days
so you are just against the forced aspects, what if it is not forced?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=785821.msg9387069#msg9387069 date=1319182596]Really? Is that so? Teenage marriages are becoming less and less? Care to show me a statistical evidence?
Anything forceful is second to none. Let's wat till it ends, then we can compare it to teenage pregnancies.
A country with no value in one aspect, will jeopardize the other aspects' aspects.
Let's first make teenage marriage unlawful, then we can build up value for our teenage children.[/quote]

do you think that teenage marriages, which by the way are becoming less and less, is worse than underaged students sleeping around? or students at our big universities being mistresses thes days?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=785821.msg9387021#msg9387021 date=1319181837]There is marriage and then there is marriage. Give those children the opportunity to choose who they want to marry. It should not be a "privilege", it should be based on individual rights.

Teenage intimacy is not legalized, it can be changed with the right social movement. Underaged marriage is legalized within a CERTAIN society, justified within  religious and cultural shackles. That is worse than teenage intimacy, which is at most times consensual, within individual rights.

Being sold on a platter to the richest grandpapa defies dignity, honor, and respect. A 13 years old knows or an underage does not know what is right or what is wrong if she does not understand what to expect in marriage, she only understand that her religion and culture expects her to accept forceful marriage. There is no true understanding.[/quote]

school children Being Intimate know it is wrong to do so but they can also argue that they dont have the freedom to do what they want
marriage, irrespective of the age involved, deserves respect, honour and understanding between those involved, that is dignity and as for morality, marriage has been important to everyone, there is nothing wrong (morally) with marriage (if it is forced then it is wrong), when you think you can handle marriage then marriage has no age, it is a mutual thing, people are not silly what is important is the law, if it is legal age in certain law (to us we call fiqh) then each society has its own understandings


[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=785821.msg9386906#msg9386906 date=1319179946]What is dignifying or morally "right" in underaged marriage?
How then is freedom defined in your society?[/quote]

freedom is subjective, what is freedom to some is not to others, i cannot say the same about dignity or morality, people do the bad things even for the hell of it


[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=785821.msg9386840#msg9386840 date=1319179054]Nothing is worst than underaged marriage. Atleast most of these teenage sex is consensual.

Nothing worst than having your freedom stripped away from you in such a young age.[/quote]

schools are promoting underaged sex  today girls and boys in school are having intercourse behind the parents backs, it is not only those that are married, but the culture of sleeping around while very young and while not married is deep in nigeria, that is worse than underaged marriages, government has to look at that, like banning blackberries in schools or adding a age restriction to the peole who can acquire tem

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=785821.msg9386787#msg9386787 date=1319178327]Yea, you're right.

Maybe we should also focus on forced underaged marriage.[/quote]

my suggestion is you have to curb teenage pregnancies if you want to stop that, once a person starts having children young they dont stop soon, teen pregnancies is prevalent in nigeria, i am sure that all our parents started having kids before 23

our population growth has nothing to do with polygamy, if you look the north and the south both regions have families that are big in most households

emofine:
You have just highlighted some of the various reasons why I stated time and time again in this very thread that I am against X child policy.
I agree with everything you said (maybe not the insecure bit) - that is why I was considering other alternatives that could be adopted to tackle the so called "population problem" (not my words) Nigeria apparently has without having to include X child policy as one of our solution. I do not agree with a parent borning one child when they are forced to. To answer your question I would not be happy to have one child especially if my right in the matter was taken away.


Brave man

the whole thing is that it is not easy for a family to only have 1 child, in our age today even for a person who is born alone you can see that he is insecure, if you have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 brothers and sisters you are more grounded, i can tell you that children who are born alone are hit the hardest when a parent dies, and parents with one child are hurt the most when the only child dies, it is psychology of the society, bigger families=more happyness, in nigeria most poeple dont want one child, they want atleast 2, let me ask you, would you be happy with only one child?

emofine:
I honestly don't know what was hard to understand in what I was trying to say.
Did you read anywhere in my posting that I said there is anything "wrong" with polygamy? and no I wasn't raised in a polygamous household. I did say however that people are affected differently by a polygamous houseld, for you you had a great childhood, for my mother not so great . . .I just wanted to counter your earlier remark that women against such union must be governed by insecurity by highlighting it's not always the case and that people have different experiences which have obviously weighed on their opinions about certain issues.

I did say however that it would be better to adopt a monagamous union than adopt a one child policy because I do not anticipate any forboding or harm in one man having one wife but maybe there would be some side effects for a couple to have one child . . . like I said before it's not as straightforward as ABC because a woman could be pregnant with multiple babies and/or abortion may become a popular option in the country.

Here I agree and what you have said matches with igbo2011's first comment which I have already adressed.

Valid point you have coupled with a suitable suggestion.
Lastly, I don't want to "stop alot of babies" I just want to stop the one child policy promoters from encouraging Nigeria to adopt that awful scheme so I was considering less harmful alternatives

@emofine, what is wrong with polygamy, do you come out of that? my father with 2 wives and i never experienced problems, and i know alot of people who come out of bigger familes with only 2 parents, so polygamy does not only work with big families, what is bigger families is marrying at a young age, that is when you find couples with big families, maybe you may just start stopping the youth from marrying young or stop early relationship if you want to stop alot of babies

if men dont have 2 wives or something there will be more single women, one wife policy is as bad as one child policy, it wont work in nigeria, it is totally against society,every man who can afford 2 wives has to get 2 wives, its no one business, people have alot of mistresses anyway, only insecure women are against polygamy, my father has 2 wives and it works fine

miss guinea because she is fulani (nothing bias just the truth)

i hate that we have a coward who cant solve problems, who cant go to troubled areas, with a clownish cowboy hat reprenting nigeria

afam4eva:
@Adamu
So, shoe shiners and mai guards are not human beings abi? Every human being is worth the same. So, whether a doctor or gateman is killed, it makes no difference. Let's just pray that this does not lead to something bad.

inchallah, we also pray there is no muslim killed and that it is just someone bored sending papers, because if muslims are killed there will be trouble in nigeria

blame it on someone else?

God when is all this going to end?I smell war. please I don't want to die just yet.
Why can't this haram people behave,we are doing everything possible to live in peace with them yet they are not satisfied,its just so annoying that we allow their brothers roam our streets freely,yet they kill ours.
Them don hear am na,BOYZ ARE NOT SMILING.this one Nigeria crap is not working at all.

deols:
u av a point there. But, dont u thnk dat if evry1 does as u do, leavn because dey ddnt get any1 to answer dr post, dr wont b any1 here?

little drops of water make a mighty ocean. your contribution can go a long way. Even if no one replies, many would av gained from it.

lol, i will do my best to post here as often as i can, but i dont think it will make a difference, the number of muslims here is so little and really difficult to find the islam board here, but i will do my part

i will run around like a madman if there is a coup, it could be the only think that can save nigeria from alot of social problems

not really new bro, i just dont post out here too often because you can post a topic here and it can go for months without being answered, people can ignore things here, it gets frustrating to me

are you read bro?

Beaf:
Boys are not smiling, but there are better ways to do things than sink to the same level as boko haram. Well, the ball has already been set rolling, so lets prepare for war.

the islam forum is restricted, if the other guys come here you will see millions of emails being posted here

but we are here, just being more or less conservative than the other boards

deols:
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yeye4live:
HOW  MANY OF U GUYS HERE RE TINKING OF GETING MARRIED AND CAN STILL NOT FIND ONE TO MARRY,ITS SO UNFORTUNATE IF I SAY HERE DAT I HAVE MORE DAN 28 GIRL FRIENDS BUT NO ONE OF THEM IS A WIFE MATERIAL,

IF I DONT HAVE A CAR TODAY OR NOT FROM A WEALTHY FAMILY NO ONE WILL STAY,GIRLS RE MONKEYS , MONKEYS RE EVEN BETA DAT DEY DONT DISCRIMINATE ON THE TREE THEY CHOSE TO HANG AS LONG AS IT SHIELD DEM,

NIJA GIRLS WILL SPEL IT OUT TO U IF U DONT VE MONEY DONT COME CLOSE TO ME, USELESS B^ITCH U WILL SAY,GET MARRIED TO THEM N D MOMENT U LOSE your STATUS DEY RE GONE bleeping your BEST FRIEND JUST FOR MONEY.

  I TOLD MY MUN I HAVE TRYED MY BEST OOH,I HAVE SEARCH TRU THE ELEPHANTS EYES,TRU THE NIDLE EYES N UP N DOWN BUT ALL RE USELESS,

SHE WANTS ME DESPERATELY TO GET MARRIED CUSE AM D FIRST OF HERS N FROM A POLYGAMOUS FAMILY OF 23,SHE WANTS US TO CATCH UP WIT MY OTHER HALF BRODERS,

DESPITE AM 26YRS,I SEE HER FEARS BEING THE LAST WIFE,AM REALY HELPLESS NOW N I DONT KNO WAT TO DO,WHO WILL I EVEN MARRY GOD HELP ME TIME NT ON MY SIDE SERIOUSLY.

i think it is only in the south, in the north there are other critereas