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WOw! Luiz!

Hehehe. Oscar scored there.

Moses off. Much better. Offered almost nothing all game.

Moses is careless in possession and very lazy in getting it back.
If this is how he plays, he is going to annoy me a lot.

Nice goal.

I still think Moses is very clumsy with the ball for a winger.
Marin is far better.

Come on guys, Uncle BlueDiva is a man.

1025: uncle, is football all about been fast?

BlueDiva is now an Uncle?
Diva, you need to give full explanation.

debosky: Did you write those rationales? Honestly your idiocy is peaking at previously unrecorded levels - why are you sending me other people's links or are you now admitting that you are incapable of original thought and just plagiarised those articles?

PS - even those articles posted up there ended with caveats such as 'lets wait and see' regarding Ramires and this phat phool of astronomical proportions wants to use those posts as evidence supporting his moronic commentary? Where did you ever say let's wait and see concerning Ramires? Didn't you conclude that he isn't even seen as a CM?

As for the sexual references - I'll just take those comments as your way of self-identifying your homosexual leanings. Only when the bottom of the (shallow) barrel of intellect has been reached do sexual references become the order of the day - no different from DK really.

In other words you are finished.

Trust me. Ibime is the only dude I know who goes to a blog on the internet, quotes the words of a fellow yob and pastes it here with the confidence he can muster as though those e-analysts have discovered something new. As long as it's remotely close to what he's arguing about, it's true.

The other day he posting a journalist's personal opinion about Llorente's "perceived tiredness" as fact.


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Ibime: Meanwhile, I'm sorry to do this Nateevs. Dont like bringing up yesterday's debate. . . . but I couldnt help meself laughing. . .
I mean, how do you go from:
to few months back:
to this:
Thats like accusing someone who hasnt changed his mind, of changing his mind. . . whilst simultaneously changing your mind!!!

Desperation of epic proportions.
It was one of you supposed strong points of argument on this thread. Even opposition fans know about it. So I asked a simple question.
You want to accuse of "simultaneously changing my mind" yesterday when I included Ramires at DM at the beginning of the season?
You need a spatula to scrape fat off your brain.


YOU, Ibime, of all people want to accuse me of changing my mind on this forum? I will blow you away.
Let people come and see your show of shame form yesteryears.
This is Ibime telling us all, as usual, what we didn't know back then.

Lemme spell it out: Drogba's touch is not up to league 2 level!
Drogba is finished! That is why I have been advocating to sell Drogba before he reaches thirty. This is simple analysis!

It is harmful to keep players on past glory.

I have said it before and Ill say it again, Drogba without stamina is as useless as John Carew.
Class (Anelka: 1997-2009) is permanent, whilst form (Drogba: 2006-2007) is temporary.

@Ibime.

You are the one making the mistake dude and it all comes from your imagination that one of the DMs needs to go forward. There is no tactical imperative for one of the DMs to go forward and as such there isn't any need for defensive cover. This is where you miss the point. Mikel "may" surge forward at times, but never reaching inside the 18 like Lampard would. The difference between Mikel not reaching the opposition 18 and Lamps reaching it is a gulf. This is why you are making a mistake.

There should be no such thing as a cover in a 4-2-3-1 if the two sitting guys sit. The games against Newcastle, Arsenal and Stoke have shown that. We stayed compact in defence and still did not suffer in attack.

Mikel is not occupying Lamps position. It's just a tactical switch as applied in continental style where you have one destroyer and a deep-lying play-maker in a double pivot. Ramires hasn't got the passing range. Mikel has it and it only makes sense that Mikel sat just slightly ahead of Ramires. With a passing range, you don't need to go forward. This is where you miss the point.

Defensively though, they stayed disciplined and did not open up. In games Lamps has played in, it's like open waters and you blame this on Mikel? Please dude.

The reason I did not suggest Romeu and Mikel is because of the speed of recycling possession, not the speed of defensive cover. If both players don't stray forward, there will be no need for pace.


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Regarding Ramires. I give you this.

I know he is 23 but I do not know if he can be better

Guess what? He became better. End of.

"Even at 34, Frank Lampard continues to be a force in the Chelsea midfield. He ran further than all of Chelsea teammates last weekend, clocking up 6.31 miles. His nearest rival for distance covered on the day, Eden Hazard, is 13 years his junior."

Who cares? If Lamps covers more ground than Iniesta, it means he (Lamps) is better right? I don't believe in passive stats. A man chasing all players around without making a single tackle and then leaving his defensive duties to get on the end of a cross in the oppo's box in hope of scoring will cover more ground than Hazard who actually won all the penalties. Does that then mean the ground he covered has produced anything meaningful? Ground covered to no effect is phuck-all dude. We are not kids here. Lampard probably covers more ground than Messi. So?


JT cannot cover half the ground Ashley Cole covers. Does that covers means Ashley is a better defender. Typical nut-case. Are you listening to yourself? Bone that thing, you can cover all the ground the want and still be garbage.

Another lie from the pit of hell.

You have not always pointed out anything. According to you, Mikel-Lamps partnership was stable at the start of the season and your preferred formation out of the three.

I have not always pointed out anything yet I am the same guy who always wants Lamps dropped. Hehehe. You've got to love Ibime's contradiction. Papa Ajasco cannot keep up with your comedy.

And according to thus, who is in Mikel's position?

Like I said,, Ramires is playing Mikel's position and Mikel is playing Lampard's position.

https://i49.tinypic.com/207829j.jpg

How do the bloody damn pics reveal that Ramires takes Mikel positions and Mikel subsequently, Lampard's? Am I missing something?

The DM is inept in open space, and thats why he has someone is tracking the runs for him.

As for your nonsense chat about "we were not open to counterattack", how come Ivanovic and Cole average position is in the opposition half?

Where did I say "we were not open to counter-attack"? Your knack for inventing the unsaid is becoming terminal. You better visit a shrink.

Also it's a shame that you are using average positions in analysing how we set-up forgetting that in real-time, Ashley and Ivanovic never attack at the same time. It's always one or the other and one after the other.
Only gullible football fans will listen to you.

There is no problem with Lampard "bombing forward" as you can see. Last season, both Lamps and Mikel were beasts in the DM position as proven in the UCL. The difference this season is that the team plays further up the pitch so someone quick is needed.

I am sorry Dude. You may be blind but I will show you there is a problem with Lamps bombing forward. The problem is him. Why? Because 9 times out of 10, he won't get that goal but he does not have the pace to cover up the ground he's left exposed behind. Especially as one of full-backs may have been involved in the attacking move, it leaves only one full back, two CBs and the slow Mikel to cope with a counter-attack. Also consider that JT is perhaps even slower than Mikel, you begin the get the consequences of Lamps bombing forward. .

It's a 4-2-3-1 for a reason. If we need Lamps to bomb forward we'll play a 4-3-3. We are not doing so. Dude should sit back and defend.


How can you make such an eediotic comment by the way?

FBS: Read carefully: I said that since he scored, I won't complain but hey, DD remains one of the GREATEST strikers EVER to play for Chelsea so, please be kind enough to send Mr Torress a quick SMS or MMS if you will, to step it up -Scoring goals I mean.
PS: DD also won the ball back in dangerous places and as we all know defended quite well. So, no basis for comparisons here. And since you couldn't condone Drogba "giving" the ball away and "breaking" down attacks why do you accept it now from FT?

Once again sir. I was not having a go at you. Had plenty things to say and I put it all in one post.
I respect your opinion and yes, I need not accept that from Torres if I didn't from Drogba.

Ibime: Sure, it works to cover a slow central midfield, but do you see Ramires as your DM going forward? I certainly dont. If I was RDM, I would be requesting a new DM on January 1st.

I am against Ramires in ma midfield fullstop, but anything to "protect Mikel" is fine by me for now, till we reach January.





Your main two formations there show Mikel/Lamps and Mikel/Oscar.

One had Mikel/Oscar plus Marin, Mata and Hazard which is the so-called "fantasy football"..

You had Mikel/Lamps/Ramires "if we need to get down and dirty", meaning Barcelona not Stoke and Arsenal.

Your "most defensive formation" is our template formation, and you didnt even envisage Ramires as the deepest midfielder, so leave matter.

This is nowhere near "the same exact formation" you envisaged as Chelseas template formation.

You told us Mikels pace was not a problem, but it is, hence Ramires.

No matter how this thing is twisted, Ramires drafting in was as a result of lack of pace in the DM position, not due to "Lamps bombing forward" which I've debunked and which positional charts show us is wrong. You have lost an argument, but managed to twist yourself into a winning position.

Lamps missed training most of last week with a foot injury so lets watch developments.

Please man. Now you are calling the drafting of Ramires into DM a cover for the slow Mikel rather than the expunging of the lethargic Lampard. If Mikel is that crap, why not field Lampard alongside Ramires and drop Mikel. Everyone sees this except you. Go siddon. You slowly trying to make this stick.

Let's debunk your crap. Against Arsenal and Stoke, we never pressured them on a high line and as such never had cause to retrieve the ball dropped beyond our back four. Hence there was no need for pace running backwards. For that reason, you cannot suggest that the inclusion of Ramires was cover the slow Mikel. No! Stop the bollocks.

It worked because Ramires had positional discipline. He attacked only when he could and sat back for most of the game breaking up play. That way the defensive combination of 6 player in the double pivot and defence line stayed strong. That's why you play a 4-2-3-1 and this is exactly what I have been trying to point out. The same happened when Meireles played against Newcastle - the only other time the DM pivot worked. Average player, didn't have the pace of Ramires, susceptible to conceding possession far too many times, but it worked because he stayed discipline in the pivot. Abi Meireles was covering for the slow Mikel?


Stop mixing up issues. RDM realised that to go into those two games with a Lamps - Mikel partnership is suicide. Something I have always pointed. Even Diva pointed it out many times. You will never accept that Lampard was dropped. It's always someone else's fault. Imagine you trying to tell us that Ramires was drafted in because Mikel is slow, not that Ramires took Lamps place. As if Mikel had to much to drink on Friday, fell off the kerb and became slow overnight.



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Regarding the getting the formation right, hommie you are clutching at straws. I never said I got all the players right. The particular part of contention was the inclusion of Hazard Oscar Mata in midfield. Ritchie came asking who will defend and how it will never work against Arsenal. It was not important that I got the DMs right as the DMs are already defensive players. I didn't lose any argument. I would be congratulating anyone who saw before hand that midfield could work. Now you are running your mouth, using my reason behind each lineup as a defensive standpoint rather than commending the thought process of the combination. You called the entire thing I did fantasy football. You didn't commend any part of it. Now you are picking and choosing what you called fantasy. . . I know, you changed your mind.



Lalaboi questioned ever seeing my suggestion with an Oscar lineup, it was there. He also questioned whether I ever put Ramires together with Mikel, it was there. It's like you having a go at me for not seeing all the possibilities. I can't. The bottom line is,I nailed the attacking formation and RDM substituted my defensive part of the formation - something I have consistently advocated for since I saw the first Lamps/Mikel partnership and you think I lost an argument? Dude go and lie down.


As for this,

I would make no comment because Mikel is not doing anything Lampard doesnt do better as the more advanced of the two, except shielding players with his nyash (which he does very well).

Dude, Mikel did not take Lamps position. Ramires did. He (Mikel), doesn't have to do what Lamps does. He just needs to be Mikel and defend. Na only you dey see this rubbish.

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]U Seem to be laffing now and not saying something IB -- The last time we had an argument it was On whether Ramires would fare well playing in the Pivot with Mikel, and if am to recall vividly u were of the Opinion that Ramy aint a Good CM not in a Lifetime, but Lately it seem all like RDM is Goin' with my View that Ramy cant penetrate through the wings nicely anymore thereby deploying him to the Pivot which has been working perfectly Fine.

The selection of Ramires at the Pivot, starting for the Second time in 8 days, suggests that di Matteo is looking for pace, energy and a lot of off-the-ball movement from his midfield, and i guess u've seen more of that in the Stoke and Arsenal games.

Our Wing Play is now more like a Mobile Stuff -- A Delight to watch. Eden Hazard, Oscar and Juan Mata lined up in the attacking band behind Fernando Torres: Hazard on the left, Oscar down the middle and Mata on the right. With the trio rotating across the attacking third like three cups under the spell of a magician determined to hide the location that elusive ball.

Whatcha ya Gon Say to that? [/color]

Good observation El Guapo. You won't get a response from Ibime though. According to him, it's one of RDM's best tactical decisions of last season. Undoing AVB's bullsh1t of playing Ramires in the middle and playing him on the wings where, if he loses the ball, it doesn't affect the team.

Are we now saying RDM's undoing his own best decision or Ibime didn't know know what he was saying and will be forced to change his mind. . . again?

FBS: @nateevs, FT gave the ball away more than any other player on the pitch and he single handedly messed up lots of promsing attacks. That was woeful.
That said, he scored a good goal and ran like a crazy man with a minute left, closing down opponents. I personally cannot fault that so, well done to him. Ain't complaining.

Oh I didn't deny that Torres messed up a lot of attacking moves. You called it right. I just added more things I wanted to say and I didn't want to post twice.


That said, I will not complain if Torres continues to score yet messes up build up play. When I consistently brought the same issues up about Drogba breaking up attacking play and conceding possession to the opposition, many directed abuse at me claiming that if he scores, it doesn't matter.

Many of those people include Dayo and you FBS. . . Now Dayo highlights a minute-by-minute account of what Torres does and is in a haste of posting when Torres concedes possession. Even last season, Dayo never posts, then waits for a goal from Lamps or Drogba and says the old guards to the rescue again continually turning a blind eye to performance.

My point is, maybe it's a good thing to remain consistent and never call for the head of Torres when he loses the ball. . . Caveat - As long as he score.

lalaboi: I dont remember Nateevs line up but i'm sure it didnt have no Oscar in it. or having Mikel and Ramires TOgether. . . Ramires and Oscar in the middle made us a little bit stronger cos these 2 hustle and make tackles to win back the ball. . .



Is it just me or Oscar need to hit the Gym for some Upper Body strength .. . . He'll get bullied when it comes to the physicality in the premier league.

Sorry mate, it had Oscar in it. . . Twice sef. This is my post from months ago. When I talked about line-up, I was talking about the midfield/attacking line-up, hence the reference to the latter part of my post that read, "they asked me who will defend".

In one of my permutations, I did put Ramires in the double pivot. Yes, together with Mikel. Talk about forward thinking. . I was going to put Ramires in DM in the same line up that had Oscar, Hazard, Mata and then exclude Lamapard but I had to satisfy the gods of this thread. . . . However, in-spite of my generosity, guess what the yobs came back with? It's there for you to read.

nateevs: I am very certain that RDM is very intelligent and along with the experience of his CL triumph, he's learned a lot from the catastrophe that surrounded the AVB era. 4-1-4-1 may be some very interesting setup to salivate over, it however could be a double edged that'll kick our backside in defence.

I believe RDM is an attacking manager but with a slightly conservative mind-set than AVB. Therefore, we definitely will see 4-2-3-1. There are loads of peops on the internet confirming that Oscar can play in a deep role, therefore allowing Mata/Hazard to play ahead in the hole.


Mikel Oscar
Hazard Mata Marin
Torres

That's an insanely creative line up. Defensively speaking though, it could be a burden on defenders.

Mikel Lampa
Hazard Oscar Mata
Sturridge

That's another option.

Mikel Ramires
Hazard Lampard Sturridge
Lukaku

If there's a need to get down dirty and ugly.


RDM has a lot to worry about. Most of all, how to keep Lampard happy. If we do have KDB, Oscar, Mata, Hazard all capable of playing in the middle, Lamps will not get as many games.

Neil Barnet on Chelsea TV: "Some experts on TV said Oscar, Mata and Hazard wouldn't be able to play together"
Fernando Torres: "They're not experts"

chic2pimp: Vey funny chap I tell ya.

Had Torres not scored today he woulda here spewing gibberish. Who should we blame this time around huh? His shoes? Or may be the hands on his hips?

Shame on you Dk .

Almost one hour gone, Dayo has nothing to say about Torres.
Wait till Torres doesn't score, he'll be over him like a rash as though there is a striker in the league that scores every game.

Where's Ritchie?

Mustay: Didn't you just love that sight of Wenger rushing to throw the ball back into the field?

A frustrated Wenger face always makes my day.

Chelsea's the first team to beat Arsenal 3 times at the Emirates.
You've got to love saying these things.

Torres gave the ball away many times and it was annoying but so did many others.
Ramires, Luiz, Moses, Hazard, Mikel all gave the ball away far too many times.

Nice win though. I cannot blame anyone as they all worked their asses off.

Interesting line up for those who questioned my line up beginning of the season asking me who will defend. Fantasy football as they called it.
This exact line up has played two consecutive games and have won them. Watch them crawling out with an epistle.

High pressing and desire to win the ball early. That's the key and it worked. Props to RDM.
Good tactics from RDM deploying Oscar on Arteta.

I would have loved to see Marin instead of Moses but hey, I cannot complain.
I still believe Marin has a lot of to offer.

Unbeaten in the league and it's all looking good.

I think we need to be careful with the sides we take. JT racially abused someone on the pitch. Whatever the circumstance, it cannot and must not be excused. If someone did that to Ashley Cole in the sane scenario, we will be calling for the head of the person.

JT's been banned for 4 games. £200k fine.
Found guilty.

Yeah. He's a kid Dad.

FBS: ^^^ Well I think its damn funny and childish.
Either ways , Dayo is officially loco - Copyright mufasa

Dude is insane

Obviously those that don't like Torres think that's funny.
Others may think it's childish.

dayokanu: Yes oo. I have a job on different website BBC, guardian, telegraph to write wrong things about Torres just to make him look bad


It pays good, Not 2pence coins you were taking to the bank today and causing traffic all over Lokoja

It was a bullion van with 2p coins actually.
Hence the queue.

Dayo sha? Do you not have anything else to do?

Watching the delayed transmission at 11:45pm

diggz: Bros nateevs, see d way u dey hapi say FT score.

I go happy na. Abi?
If Torres scores more goals, Chelsea wins.

Finally Marin on.