₦airaland Forum

Basseti:
Since you are now the mouth piece of BH, educate us on this mission of BH.

Boko Haram has spelt out what their mission is, they even gave you a clue in the name they chose. So we should disregard them and believe you?

And lets assume that you are right and somehow they are really against injustice, give us one action that they have taken that justifies that claim? Thats apart from killing and maiming of innocent civilians.

The attack on churches was not random neither was it spontaneous. Churches have been attacked before and burnt to the ground even before Jonathan dreamt of being a VeePee. Should we also attribute that to the agitation for justice? If so, you must have a different definition of justice than I do.

May your days be long. Am happy am not alone.

Rhino.5dm:
^
Do you think Bush would have survived 3 Al-qaedas attack on US soil? Let just leave US out of this.

Even if we leave the USA out of this, it will not change your hatred to good reasoning.
Your case (in particular) is beyond arguing with. Thanks.

Demdem:
So u want him to say that to BH and risks the next bomb to be lauched in his domain. Or do u think we have the security to protect him? Why do u think the so called northern leaders aren't talking and the ones that have are apologizing to BH?

Then he (Okogie) is a cheap coward. Read the comments from those pentecostal pastors in the other thread. They called a spade by its name.

BTW, I have been following some of your posts here and I feel quite disappointed.
It is idiotic to blame GEJ for not preventing all the bombing incidences (even the USA has not prevented the terrorists from acting time after time).
We can only blame him for not prosecuting those arrested in connection to such bombings to the fullest extent of the law.

First, we must condemn those throwing the bombs and killing innocent people. In you people's hatred (for lack of a better word) for Jonathan, you guys still fail to see that BH is about many things: killing of christians, killing of southerners and not wanting a southern/christian president.

They called themselves haters of western education, but they have not bombed any of the western educational institutions in their backyards. I pray it will not be too late for some of you to begin to see beyond the ordinary. Cheers.

tpia@:
no, and no.


as per safety, well, nowhere is safe in nigeria.

Thanks. Well, to avert reprisal attacks (since there is no assurance that people who lost all will be able to bear it with fortitude), all northerners should move back north as soon as southerners begin to return. That, IMO, is the most sensible thing to do to save lives from both sides.

Basseti:
You are yet to answer the question.

Simply put, whats the correlation between bombing of churches and agitating for social/economic equality?

None whatsoever. This is a religio-politico-ethnic war they are waging. Our response should take that approach too. Thanks.

These guys may be money-mongers but they have called a spade a spade here. They have laid the blame squarely where it belonged first: Boko Haram and their sponsors.

Yes Jonathan may be confused but the most confused ones are those (and their sponsors) who kill innocent people and destroy their livelihoods.
It looks like Okogie is half playing to the gallery and half saying the truth here. If he cannot tell the BH people to their faces that they are murderers and that the earlier they stop the murdering spree the better for Nigeria, then he is a non starter. He has taken the easier route: attack the president.

tpia@:
we are on different pages.

I did not say anyone should relocate permanently to the southeast.

that's your own view which you're trying to push on me.

my own post which you originally had a problem with, listed southwest and southsouth as possible alternatives unless you want to consider just staying outside the country.

Okay! you are making yourself clearer now. Thanks for explaining further.
But may I ask you:

1. Do you think an Igbo man (again for e.g.) who lost family and livelihood) in the North and moves to the SS or elsewhere outside the SE will be happy seeing the same northerners moving freely in those places?
2. Do you assume that only SE people are killed/impoverished in the north? If not so, how safe will any northerner (muslim, I mean) be in the SW, SE, and SS when SW, SE and SS people who escaped death from the North return to the south?

tpia@:
^^
i'm not sure the solution lies in permanent relocation back to places of origin unless you're sure of having a livelihood there.



i'm also not sure this hate campaign many people engage in on nl, isnt counterproductive.


by the time you keep on convincing your people yorubas are their enemies, you push them to trust others who they shouldnt be trusting.

even if yorubas are truly your enemies, then you should at least know the level of danger posed by every enemy you say you have.

anyway, God understands what we humans dont.

What has ''Yoruba enemity'' got to do here? Do you want us to discuss this topic or wallow in other things? You still have not answered my question though:
How easy will anyone take the fact that they lost their family and business in the North due to BH and be forced to relocate to their places or origin and then they see people whose folks killed their family and destroyed their livelihood moving around freely in safe places with all their wealth and family intact?

To avert reprisal attacks, all northerners should move back north as soon as southerners begin to return. That is the most sensible thing to do to save lives from both sides.

I believe defeating this politico-religio-ethnic BH war will require a multi-pronged approach

Nchara says:

Do you realize that asking all southerners to leave the North should automatically mean all northerners should leave the South?

Tpia says::

if that's what you want,its your choice.

I do not see how easy it will be for anyone (an Igbo man, for e.g.) to lose his family and business in the North due to BH and be forced to relocate to the East and then he sees northerners moving around freely in the East with all their wealth and family intact. How easy will anyone take that?

Basseti:
I believe she said "outside of their states of origin".

For those calling for the return of all southerners back to the south, I have called for that previously and still do. But its a sad commentary on the so-called "One-Nigeria". So after fighting to keep the nation one, one cannot live freely in it. Sad Sad Sad

Yes she meant so on her first post but not so in the second one. Thanks.

Cyberg (and others):

Just wondering what your concern is with this thread?
You are not MASSOB
You are not Igbo
What is your problem here, if I may ask?

tpia@:
my point is if you must leave kano state for niger state then you might as well remain in kano.

if you're fleeing kano then move to either the southwest, southsouth and possibly southeast. At least for now those places remain relatively stable, though i dont know how long that will last.

moving from kano to niger is like moving from kano to bauchi.

now, what's your own point, because i dont understand the jazz you typed there.

Why should asking him to move be your first option?

How about securing your country/state?
How about finding and punishing the offenders?
How about anyone not killing anyone for just about any reason in the first place (most important)
Do you realize that asking all southerners to leave the North should automatically mean all northerners should leave the South?

And BTW, why do yo advise an Igbo man (that is the subject of this thread) to move to SW and SS (and then ''possible SE'', like it should be a last option for him)?

Why are names such as Tinubu, Fasola and the Lagos House Speaker missing on your list?

tpia@:
Move from kano to niger state?

In what way is niger state safer? Yes there are igbos who have been resident there for decades but. The same can be said of the north.

I feel for the family and sympathize with their loss but imo the only safer places so to speak still remain the southwest and maybe port harcourt side, outside their places of origin.

This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read about people supposedly belonging to one country?
Do the northerners down South also leave for the North? Or will it be a one-sided movement?

Not sure how true this is, but if true, if I were a northerner living in the East, I will be packing my belongings in readiness to flee. Looks like their brothers up North are willing to sacrifice them. The rebuttal will be massive.

If I were Jonathan, in addition to putting in place any possible security measures, I will reward the murderers with mockery by paying each non-[b]muslim [/b]Boko Haram's victim's family 10 million Naira. I guess he does not need the senate approval to dip into his security vote. So, the more they kill, the more the national treasury is emptied to assuage the dead. At some point, the idiots will begin to blow themselves up, hoping to get a bite of the money too.

When we say it is all about Jonathan (southern presidency), some naive, ignorant and conspiratorial people doubt it.
The mullahs want to wear him out so hard that he either leaves soon, does not come back in 2015, or even die in office unsong. It is about the grab for power and unwillingness to allow a power shift.
By their actions and distractions, they not only kill Nigerians, but they waste our time and resources. The time and resources that the govt would have used in delivering the dividends of democracy are being wasted fighting the politico-religious murderers.



http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/editorial/12020-kaitas-incendiary-outburst

KAITA’S INCENDIARY OUTBURST

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Wednesday, 13 October 2010
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ELECTION time is a period if excitment, when contenders for political offices cudgel their brains to outwit me one another in their efforts to win the sympathy of the electorate. It is a season of promises, arguments, claims and counterclaims. This, unfortunately, has not been the case in the run-up to the 2011 general election. There have been verbal exchanges but they are not aimed at convincing prospective votes about the capability of political aspirants to get Nigeria out of the woods. It should be a matter of considerable public concern that the debilitating effects of subject of arguments on the political arena. The part of the country, and by extension, the ethnic group that should produce the next president has been the focus of attention.

THE various aspirants for the presidential ticket of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) have virtually relegated the very essence of governance to the background. The pressure groups within the party have been hurling political brickbats at one another. The aspirants’ campaign organisations have not been addressing the issues of massive unemployment, pervasive corruption and other problems that have rendered the economy prostrate. The focal point of their concern is the geo-political zone that should produce the president.





A former governor of the old Kaduna State, Alhaji Lawan Kaita recently took the agitation for a “northern president” in 2011 to a worrisome dimension. He was reported as saying that the North would make the country ungovernable for President Goodluck Jonathan if he emerged the winner of the forthcoming election.

“ANYTHING short of a northern president is tantamount to stealing our presidency. Jonathan has to go and he will go. Even if he uses incumbency power to get his nomination on the platform of the PDP, he will be frustrated out,” he was quoted as saying. He further said that the North should not be blamed for the calamity that would befall Nigeria if Jonathan emerged as the president.

IT is highly disappointing that such an unguarded statement has emanated from a man of Kaita’s age and experience in partisan politics. It is as reprehensible as it is irresponsible. To make Nigeria ungovernable is to destabilise Nigeria. The logical inference that can be drawn from this reckless statement is that a “northern presidency” is more important to Kaita than Nigeria itself. It is apparent that Kaita has failed to bring to bear his chronological age and decades of experience on the history of political leadership in Nigeria. If he had done this, the probability of a Southerner winning the presidential election in 2011 would not have been as insufferable to him as it is. If he had endeavoured to reflect on the trajectory of Nigerian politics and access to political power in the last 50 years, he would have been less desperate in his disposition and less intemperate in his utterances.

THE position of Kaita and others of his ilk is predicated on the assumption that the emergence of a PDP candidate as president of Nigeria in 2011 and after is a fait accompli. They see Nigeria more as a one-party state than a multi party democracy. They have foreclosed the likelihood of another political party or coalition of political parties securing the mandate to govern Nigeria even in the distant future. They see the rotation of the presidency from one geographical area to another as a programmed event that will take place with mathematical precision and in virtual perpetuity under the PDP’s zoning arrangement. This mindset could have been informed by failure to take cognizance of the fact that they are dealing with rational human beings who have freedom of choice which can always be exercised whichever way is most beneficial to their collective and individual interests. Such a mindset could also have resulted from the belief that the people’s right to choose their own leaders can always be trampled upon. The sage, Chief Obafemi Awolowo in one of his seminal books had identified the desperation of the then Northern Peoples Congress (NPC) to cling to power forever as one of the causes of the 1966 crisis.

THE apocalyptic utterances of Kaita provides ample evidence of desperation for political power for sectional benefits and personal aggrandisement rather than for the good of the people. Nigeria is in its eleventh year of uninterrupted civilian administration. The country should by now be showing signs of improvements in the observance of the principles of democracy. A rabid desire to either rule or ruin the system is unbecoming of a politician and unacceptable in Nigeria of today. At this age and stage of his, Kaita should serve as a good example to the younger generation of politicians and not as a rabble-rouser. His outburst was totally uncalled for.

amor4ce:
@Nchara, there's a time for everything. Haven't you bitten on more than you can chew?

That should be meant for your [b]irredentist [/b]folks such as Dayokanu and the rest of the wolves, no?

And Ojukwu's presidential deputy twice in APGA were hausa/fulani too
And Orji Kalu's deputy in APP was also a northerner.

Looks like Oduduwa (god of the Yorubas) too was an hausa vassal who ceded Ilorin to his masters

And the big one Awo (king of the Yoruba) served under Gowon, a mere soldier who was then as good as an illiterate.

Has there been any religious riots in the SE despite the 100s of 1000s of northern and SW muslims living there?

Bakare served hausa/Fulani
Diya served hausa/Fulani
Fola served hausa/Fulani
Shonekan was an hausa/fulani puppet
Awo was ready to serve under Zik (Igbo) (Awo said so himself). End of story.
I guess Zik did not trust his arse.

Bakare and Fola Adeola servants to half-educated mallams

Imagine Fola, after managing banks, became a deputy to a mere police office. Shame.

^^^^^
lol
People who secede (for e.g., Biafra, South Sudan, etc) do so, not talk about it on cyberspace.
If you are waiting for the Yorubas to secede, you will have to wait forever.
Thank God I have age on my side. So I can afford to wait some 40-50 years to see what they do
Na yam

Can these people ever call a spade by its name?

Bombings, sign of silent revolution , says Akande
By Adesoji Adeniyi, Osogbo 22 hours 23 minutes ago
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National Chairman of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) Bisi Akande yesterday described the spate of bombings in the North allegedly sponsored by an Islamic sect, Boko Haram, as a sign of silent revolution brewing in the country.

He warned that the trend would “engulf the nation like a wild-fire if immediate measures are not applied to curb it.”

Speaking with reporters yesterday at his country home in Ila-Orangun, Osun State, Akande said: “Whether what is going on  either  Boko Haram or Niger Delta militancy, it is all a sign of dissatisfaction, sign of anger of the vibrant youths of this nation against the government.

“Jonathan is in power. He should see it all. He has all the facts but it is a pity if he can’t handle the situation.

“If I am in power and I cannot handle the situation, then it means I am inefficient.

“Though some people have sympathy for him, but it is a regret that the President has failed to handle the situation.”

He also explained why the Federal Government cannot convince Nigerians on the need for oil subsidy removal.

The ACN chair said Nigerians could no longer trust the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) government led by President GoodluckJonathan.

He said the PDP had told Nigerians many lies and made many promises  which it had failed to fulfill.

His words: “Everybody in Nigeria has become distrustful of the PDP government.

“And when you don’t trust a government, no matter what it says or promises you find it difficult to trust and believe.

“The PDP had told Nigerians so many lies about so many things in the past. So whatever they are saying about fuel subsidy sounds false to so many Nigerians.

“To my mind, I do not see any reason not to subsidise what is being manufactured in this country. Such a subsidy will go to the suppliers, the workers and everybody in this country. But when you are saying you have been subsidising something being imported and manufactured in another country, you will have a big burden to let us know how and why it is so. Because before you subsidise, you have to consider so many costs, particularly cost of importation and many others before you add your selling price.”

The ACN leader, who was governor of Osun State between 1999 and 2003, said the government must first tell Nigerians why all the refineries in the country are killed and they have failed to wake them up and make them function to benefit Nigerians and boost the nation’s economy.”

Eko Ile:
Making up silly stories because you can not stand on your own point is really absurd, it's a sign of intellectual weakness.

You are quite pathetic. So much empty-headedness. How many people have not been killed in the SW for:

1. Motor park leadership tussle
2. Local politics beginning from the wetie wetie days till today

3. How many banks closed in the SW in recent times due to hire-wired robberies and associated killings?

Keep living a fake life.

Eko Ile:
Ode, you said SW and the last time I checked, SW is not a state, it's a region and one state within the region did not vote for him so you can not say the whole of SW and the ones that did like I said did not give him no mumu and ridiculous 100% votes. He def wont have picked up anything in the SW if not because of the same gullible and treacherous ibo in the SW like Lagos and Ogun

All your percentage this and that dance around is nothing BS.


Good to know some clown called Djustice is your new Hero and Lord savior and Babalawo.


Olodo. Again, what's this got to do with your decades of stupidity and shadiness?

You have nothing more to say than to repost your earlier rubbish? You are the most boring, unintelligent being I have ever seen.

Presidential election result in Osun

http://assemblyonline.info/?p=6032

INEC official results for Osun state
PDP 188,409
ACN 299,711
CPC 6997
ANPP 3617
APS 513
ARP 300
FRESH 219
NTP 321
PDC 1268
PNPP 267
PFP 965
PEP 1285
SDMP 614
UNDP 1755
ADC 5172
HPP 217
LDPN 116
ME 267
NCP 378
LLPP 333

Now let anyone tell me PDP did not get a significant vote from Osun. You can blame others as much as you like, you are the real cause of the problem for abandoning Buhari/Ribadu