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Tolexander: since u believe there should be a proof to every news.
Provide a proof and link that there are 201 gods!
Provide a link that Ooni has worship just only one God!
These are questions you must answer pronto!

I would have preferred that you tried to provide corroboration for your stance instead of asking me for proof. Since you don't appear to know the answers to these questions, I'll tell you the source of my information which I believe is better than hearsay by some faceless elders.

Provide a proof and link that there are 201 gods!

My information came from the book "City of 201 Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage" by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona. I did not get the information from some illeterate chief who is ready to sell his soul for N100,000.

The truth of the matter is that you people do not even know exactly how many deities you have. I bet you cannot name 30 of the deities, if you can name only 30 of the 201 or 401 of them, I will offer you a public apology, right here and now.

Provide a link that Ooni has worship just only one God!

This seems like a dumb question. I think it is safe to assume that the Ooni is a Christian who is dedicated enough to build a Church inside the palace. Now if you claim that, the Alafin, like many confused Christians in the SW, also worship other juju gods, you may have a point, though you are yet to prove that either.

9jacrip: I wonder what business/connection/hard-on an 'Ndu' has towards Ooni and Ile-Ife/Yoruba

Lets hope that you remember that this is Nairaland and not Ifeland, Olorisaland, OmoObatalaLand, e.t.c. mumu

We all should be concerned that GEJ is not decisive enough to take overwhelming millitary action against BH or courageous enough to offer his own amnesty program? GEJ's weakness and inaction continues to cause the deaths of both civilians and other Nigerians. SMH.

Rossikk: JESUS IS AN IDOL AND A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. THE WHITE MAN, LACKING PROOF OF ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE, GOT AROUND THAT BY WARNING YOU TO ''SHUT UP AND SIMPLY HAVE FAITH'', AND LIKE A TRUE SHEEP (MUGU), YOU OBEYED.

Oga, do I know you and have I ever revealed my religious affiliation to you? abi you be mumu ni?

Tolexander: haw does it affects me if you bought it or not? I narrated my own memoir of the incidence of what i heard from chiefs and priest you are asking for a link that has nothing to do with your daily living.
If you are not satisfied with it, then leave it or better still go to the palace and ask the ooni himself for full confirmation.
Chinua Achebe wrote his own memoir of the civil war, did he provide a link for it, or is he an ominiprescent that was present and witnessed every events that preceded and during the civil war? Yet you stil believed he said the truth!

Oga, it appears you are not up to the task of defending your stance. You are yet to convince me that a lie detector was used to extract your information from the chiefs,priests, and elders. Oga mi dey compare himself to Achebe o, e gba mi o.

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Tolexander: am in ife town schooling from childhood. And besides i have elders who are chiefs and clergy that always go to the palace often that do tell me what happens in the palace in enuwa.
Do i need giving a link to what i know?

With due respect, I need more than tales from elders to buy what you've said. As you can tell from this thread, many Yoruba sons have differing opinions about the origin and role of the Ooni, so the facts that you schooled in Ife town and certain elders told you certain things, are not convincing enough for me. Such a pronouncement by the Ooni and its accompanying renunciation must have been publicized or documented. Please provide any evidence you have other than hearsay to make your claims believable

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Tolexander: bro! It is not 201 gods but 401 deities.
Ooni doesn't serve one god. He participates in every spiritual appease to many of the deities either in appearance or absential, most especially olojo festival of ogun worshipping that always take place in oke moogun.
Few years ago he tried renouncing idol worshipping and said he wouldn't be participating in that years olojo festival but he became sick to the point of death and had no choice and faith than to revert his renounciation.
Igbos mostly practice catholism and catholism has its roman culture acquisition to the christianity they practise like all these xmas, rosery and co likewise yorubas with the christianity diluted with indigenous religions.

This is quite interesting. Can you provide any evidence to support the idea that Ooni became sick because of his renunciation of idol worshiping? It appears to have been a coincidence at best, if Ooni was sick right after the said renunciation. Secondly, I'd appreciate any evidence to support the notion that Ooni reverted the renunciation.

I'm here to learn. Have you been satisfied in your mind that these deities are more than a mere figment of your imagination? If so please share with me how you arrived at the conclusion. Thanks in advance.

Shame on GEJ's administration which is poised to go down as the most corrupt in Nigeria's history. What a shame!!

nobaga: Chucks,

Is this necessary? You must turn serious subject into another fruitless exchange abi.

The post is my opinion and nothing more and the exchange does not have to be fruitless. My post was designed to make people think out of the box for once. Don't turn it into a sour exchange.

I feel sorry for the confused lot who have 201 gods who are pulling them every which way. The Ooni who serves only one God seems to be wiser than you people. If Ooni's actions do not show you that your 201 gods are useless, nothing else will. No wonder the most SW muslims seems incapable of practicing true Islam and most of their Christian "Pastors" are money pastors. SMH

I'd suggest that people should not wastre their time in trying to reason with people like narrow minded babapupa. His "cogent" points are usually filled with name calling and other abuses just like eko ile's.

^^^^ I expected an effeminate emotional outburst of a reaction from you and you did not disappoint. The outburst does not, in any way invalidate the criticisms levied against you. It takes a real man to take constructive criticisms, reflect on them, and adjust their way as appropriate. I'm sure you are up to the challenge and I'll be watching you henceforth. You may rant one more time if you wish, this is my last word on this issue.

In a way the new policy appears to be a very good one, but in another, it seems to have not been well thought out. I believe the discrepancy may lie in the reporting of the ban.

Local auto manufacturers cannot meet the demand which will result from this new policy hence the ban imposed on Ministries, Departments, and Agencies should have been gradual. They could have required 10 - 15% of the vehicles to be purchased from local manufactures the first few years, for starters.

It is noteworthy that this policy does not affect the legislative or judiciary wings. I hope the publicize the new policy for all to see soon.

busoye19: "I seriously call attention to the rutilanting and coruscating modus vivendi of Master Jesus the Christ and I dare pontificate that save and until we viscerally emblematize the virtues of self-immolation, quintessential abnegation, eulogizeable simplicity, humility and immerse ourselves in a platonic emotionalism of agape love and communalistic service and head to unity as one nation," the Edo State law graduate stated.

If Obahiagbon wrote the above, then for the first time, he has failed woefully. That sentence is an incomplete sentence when fails to take the point Obahiagbon was making to its logical conclusion. He "pontificates that save and until" we espouse certain ideals including immersing ourselves in agape love" then something will happen...but he fails to tell us what that something is.

The man must have drunk kai kai before writing the above, was misquoted or the story was made up.

[quote author=Ogbuefi_Negro]....the conversation has progressed with many good points id love to respond to but it would be difficult to do so on individual contact so i will summarize my response generally.

Gbawe, i want to give you a sincere feedback and im doing so openly because we all learn from one another. i dont have the authority to do so but in the spirit of exchange and interaction i think it would be a good thing.

You are a great commentator and you would cut off much of your oppositions if you can also be a great listener. This is end of my feedback. [/quote]I agree with you 100% on this. Uncle Gbawe has become very combative when his views are challenged particularly when the said views concern ACN Governors. Don't dare ask those ACN Governors for accountability else Uncle Gbawe will become extremely emotional and react very "violently" that is if he does not ignore you and deem your challenge not worthy of response. Sadly he is quickly becoming the Beaf of ACN.

This new behaviour is why he will not win the Poster of the year award this year. Lets hope the new year will bring forth a new Uncle Gbawe who listens to his constructive critics.

Two Things.

(1)This news must be a disappointment to secessionists and those who believe that our dear country will break up soon. Investors are more realistic and optimistic than the said unpatriotic secessionists.

(2)Many of the states, if not all, have become quite lazy in the area of generating revenues. The get billions from the Feds for free, yet they are unable to generate income streams for their states. Why must they burden incoming generations with unnecessary debt. These states and their lazy governors should be operating under a debt free balanced budget.

Babzilla: KEEP WATCHING WITH YOUR $TUPID PU$$YCAT

I bu onye JJC? ewu can beer.

Chima dey kampe and he and his peeps are watching you mice like the cat below, he will surprise you people soon enough. Get well sir and thanks for the condolences.

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supereagle: The Nigerian Navy has explained:


“The aircraft just took off. About two, three minutes from take off when the incident happened. Whatever must have been responsible for the explosion, that Naval Headquarters cannot tell now. We will wait until the investigation board comes out with their finding.

Six persons died in the Saturday crash of the Agusta helicopter in the Bayelsa Creek. They included the governor of Kaduna state, Patrick Ibrahim Yakowa and the former National Security Adviser, Andrew Owoye Azazi, their aides, the pilot and co-pilot.

What an admission!!! I trust my people will remain in denial even after this information.

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flinspiero: Yet u are a FOOL bt u couldnt come up wit any prediction.A fool like u dnt nid to exist

Thou shalt not worship idols even if their initials are TB. mumu

Frankly, any fool could have predicted another school shooting such as the recent one in the USA. TD Joshua may as well predict right now that it will not be the last. dolo

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juman: nigerians lack national culture.

Would you please expatiate your statement.

May the dead RIP.

Conspiracy theorists are already having a field day with this tragedy. People have started implying that BH may be behind this and suggesting that BH used this occasion to get rid of Azazi, who tried to expose them and was fired for doing so, and Yakowa, who has kept them in check in Kaduna - BH essentially killed 2 birds with a single shoulder carried grenade launcher, the proverbial stone. SMH

BH is indeed overrated. GEJ, GEJ, GEJ!!!!! How many times I call ya name? We are at war sir, please lead us like a true general. You are the commander in chief. Sorry to say, but General Overseer Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye will not join the army and fight for you.

afam4eva: The Yoruba race is not doing badly in this regard when compared with other ethnic groups. Though a concerted effort need to be put in place to revitalize our culture and tradition.

They seem to be suggesting that the Yoruba culture is inconsistent with being a true Muslim or Christian. These 2 religions believe in only ONE God. This explains a lot.

[quote author=ODUA_NEGRO]rotflmao!!!

There is a corporate strategy based on the science of "flooding and damming" and I dont know what the theory is called but I understand the concept well. It is believed the US applied this strategy politically to dismember USSR and force capitalism on them. China is doing exactly the same thing to US now. Here is how it works:

You pump investment into your rival's market and economy (flooding) and generate high volume of money circulation which invokes a false sense of worth. Putting faith in their swollen discretionary money, citizens respond massively in increased consumption, which in turn produces more loans and debts. When the society is soaked in overlays of debts, you begin to use soft instruments of debts to rescue people out of their tangible and secured debts.......in other words escalate the burdens. People will soon learn, painfully, to conserve and live within their means. This action is bad for market and business and therefore business owners begin to conserve and shrink. When supply is more than demand of goods and services thhe currency devalues, worth and values shrink, the market implodes on itself (dam).

This strategy can be applied to various aspects of social living. Aplying it to the demographics, the Igbos who form the main target of hatred in the North, can "dam" their population volume and turn the hatred to Hausa-Fulani-Kanuri rivalry.

Israel continues to enjoy political relevance because of the Palestinian issue. If the conflict ends, Israel will not be an everyday topic in news and will soon be irrelevant in corridors of global power......so the war must continue.

The day Igbo depart core North their jihadist will loose cause against Christianity and turn the dagger and bombs against one another in a new rivalry that will depose the Emirs. Can Igbo do that, I doubt it.

......be sure to train desert jihadists how to swim before they embark on a journey to Isale Eko. We will use them as blood sacrifice to Olokun, fill Eko Atlantic with their drowned carcass.[/quote]awww, what a beautiful composition. Great writing skills, people like Desola and naijababe will cry after reading the above. The problem with the post is that it is nothing short of crap. The Chinese have not defeated the Americans as you erroneously believe. If the US economy goes down the drain, billions of Chinese will die as collateral damage. Think about that.

Gbawe: You don't get it. Every opportunity to discuss ideas is always turned into clannish obfuscation on this forum and you are one of those serially guilty of doing that. Who does not know Nigeria is gradually becoming Somalia? the point of this sort of thread is for discussion to flow that may provide the sense of perspective that will make Nigerians see what they need to see.

Uncle Gbawe, you seem to be afraid to talk o. Little me, cannot hurt a fly, so please feel free to express yourself. Kindly explain what you mean by "this sort of thread is for discussion to flow that may provide the sense of perspective that will make Nigerians see what they need to see."

What exactly do Nigerians need to see that they have not seen?

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For once, they are not blaming Fulanis for this Yoruba problem. It is interesting to note that Yorubas have 201 gods No wonder confusion is not very far from my Yoruba people - they don't know which god to serve hence many become atheists or are unable to serve the ONE God with the required dedication. Yoruba Muslims are generally regarded as being unable to practice true Islam while many Christians 'practice' the religion while maintaining a working relationship with juju men in the village.

The book is very interesting and should be a must read.

LAGOS — Eminent Yoruba leaders, Thursday, concurred that the Yoruba race was on the brink of extinction if something is not done quickly to revitalise its cultural values and heritage.

The Yoruba leaders who spoke during the public presentation of two books, City of 201 Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage: The Story of an Anglican Family in Yoruba- speaking Nigeria included Governor Rauf Aregbesola of Osun State, his Ekiti State counterpart, Dr. Kayode Fayemi; Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuade and Olowu of Owu Kingdom, Oba Olusanya Adegboyega Dosunmu.

This also was the position of virtually every other eminent member of the race who either spoke at the podium or chatted exclusively with Vanguard at the launch of the book authored by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona under the chairmanship of Ibadan-based politician, Chief Olanihun Ajayi.

Interestingly, the book launch, planned for just presentation and gathering of financial proceeds, became a gathering of politicians, religious leaders and traditional icons from trado-religious groups.

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Clad in brown aso oke with an eleti aja cap to match, the author said the books were products of his endless struggle exploring world religion. He gave a reason why true Yoruba man could not be a religious fundamentalist, saying: “A people who have 201 gods cannot have a problem with one more God.”

In his brief speech, Governor Kayode Fayemi of EkitiState, observed that Yoruba was so unique in Nigeriaand world history because it was the only multi-religious community where people sit together without hurting or killing themselves.
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In his speech, Governor Rauf Aregbesola of Osun State, who stole the show for a moment as he was the only speaker ushered to the podium with extract from a tract and talking drums sounds, promised to mobilise his colleagues, governors, of the South-West states including Ondo to make the book, City of 201 Gods, a must read in all secondary schools across the region.


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[quote author=ODUA_NEGRO]oh, ok.....my screen went blank for a minute.

If their actions and behaviors are such that they need to be tempered, Afenifere would have done so. Again, Afenifere is a pan-Yoruba group.......its not a pan-Nigerian group. So while we see nothing wrong in Fashola and Tinubu, our rivals and competitors may see them otherwise and consider their presence as barriers to their nefarious intent for Yorubaland.

Let me ask you to defend the insurgency and chaos in North. It is crystal clear to see now that Arewa is more vulnerable and faces the risk of implosion should bokoharam be allowed to gain control of Kano, the most important Emirate of your people.[/quote]You, like GEJ, are looking at the bokoharam problem as a Northern problem while ignoring the fact that Nigeria is at war. This sir, is the worst failure of 'leaders' like you and GEJ. I predict that you people will hear from bokoharam in Isale Eko and Port Harcourt before Kano falls.

vanstanzy: That is all for show and its a political russ. Uduaghan still remains one of the worst gov'nors.

The man is a fool. He is lucky that a disgruntled unemployed youth did not run huim over. ode

[quote author=ODUA_NEGRO]...what's (are)the question(s) you want me to give honest answer to?[/quote](1)Are Fashola and Tinubu Omoluabis with sense of personal responsibility, social and civil obligations and communal support and uplifting?
(2)Has Afenifere failed in its duty to step in and recalibrate either Tinubu or Fashola?