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B3ACHSIDE:
Human development is important , they want to do that and are doing that but they need the complete $16 billions dollars to accomplish what they desire, but Nigeria is a fictitious third world shithole and that won;t happen .

Oil money will not sustain a country forever even Nigeria. if that is what is the driving force in forming a homogeneous country then I smell more woes.

in that efik-ibibio territory you mentioned the oil won't be found in every community or in every person's family land, so it means in the end people who have everything will have to share with people who have nothing. and if OWNING full rights to oil is the drive, those who have it all may decide not to share with those who don't have at all. and how will someone from a community who doesn't have oil in that efik-ibibio territory ever be made president? he doesn't qualify.

B3ACHSIDE:
Only an Efik-ibibio person should have sole administration and control of Efik-ibibio territory . every single funds ,power and autonomy should be available to them to build their native land with passion. do not split the $16 billion dollars per year oil revenue and give the governor only 50 million per month.

give a governor more than $16 billion dollars and if those principles outlined above are not instilled, it will be wasted in private pockets. natural resources obviously are sources of wealth but the greatest that you have failed to appreciate is human capital development. Japan's highest export is technology. in fact almost all the developed countries, their greatest export is technology. UAE is moving quickly off natural resources into tourism and other exports.

natural resources may run dry one day or lose their market value like oil in the future, but the human resource will never. look beyond what is in the ground.

B3ACHSIDE:
that's why all ethnic nations should be autonomous and have control of their resources then they can decide how to develop. if you look a the Nigerian map, you'll see there's different ehtnic nations territory in other ethnic nation's territory. For example , there's portions of Calabarian (Efik-ibibio) Territory in Igbo states,There's portions of igbo territory in cross river and akwa ibom. There's portions of Igala territory in igbo states .etc etc . I wonder why.
I'm not sure if Obolo is Efik-ibibio though the recording I've heard sounds like . why is there half of Obolo in akwa ibom and the other half in river's state it makes no sense . it's like a divide and rule tactic. I think all ethnic nations should be simply autonomous states or provinces. Abi local governmwent in cross river state is igbo land and should be in igbo state . why is it in efik ibibio territory ? .etc etc

I have heard your side of the argument for homogeneous rule along ethnic line. it has its merit obviously.

but the untold truth is homogeneous or not, the success of a nation depends not on its make up (America, china, Britain, Japan etc) but on equity, fairness, hard work, transparency, a good justice system, electoral system just to mention a few.

whatever happens in the end if this principles are not learnt by the homogeneous people now before they separate, their fate won't be any better than before.

B3ACHSIDE:
This is my last reply to you.
I advocate true independence . All African regions : West,North,South,East,Central, should be federations. All ethnic nations : Igbo,Calabar (Efik-ibibio-Ejagham,Obolo cluster ) ,Yoruba,Beti/Fang ,Hausa,Ijaw ,Ashanti ,Krahn, Tiv/Idoma/Ogoja Cluster ,etc. should be autonomous states or provinces with districts.
I advocate universal culture ,but I understand and respect individual heritages,their liberty and needs for these identifications at this time . I believe these ethnic nations should have true independence and that the lines will eventually and naturally blur .

Nigeria is a fictitious third world shithole and will always be unless the system is restructured . For example , all the future presidents have already been chosen to be from a particular ethnic nation regardless of competence. that's not true democracy .
Nigeria and most African and asian colonial shitholes is similar to merging Swedes,Germans,Lithuania,Scots,,Welsh and Polish as one unitary country. Scotland's resources is shared among the other states. All the presidents are Swedes or Polish. obviously there'll be squabbles . but they get along and cooperate now because they have true independence .
Buhari does not know what Calabar or igbo or Kanuri needs ,Only the people directly affected know what they need . Efik-ibibio resources $16 billion a year oil revenue is confiscated and shared among 36 states ; they can't build power plant for stable electricity ,they can't have have border walls to protect their territory. Loads of trucks of homeless and religious fanatics from Hausa/fulani ethnic nation was recently intercepted at the cross river border.
Nigeria is a failed state .

I feel their pain and bad leadership sums up their lot. fairness and equity should be used as a yard stick in any form of rulership.

B3ACHSIDE:
what you wrote up there shows you did not read to understand , you only read to find fault and oppose . you have failed my failed test. i suggest you reread it again to understand .
South Africa was invaded and settled just like the US,Canada and Australia. the natives where suppressed and relegated to background . Today those lines are being rectified . the provinces are structures along those ethnic nations, in fact there are 3 capitals. Nigeria's case is not so . you can't ask Igbo or Kanuri to just forget about their ethnic nations
Although i advocate universal culture ,mixture and homgenity. For now humans are diverse will always want to identify with their heritage. you just cant ask Igbo or Yoruba to forget about their identity in favor of a fictitious colonial shithole .
South Africa is larger than Nigeria but has only 4 Ethnic nations and 9 provinces. Botswana (Tswana land) is an ethnic nation with 85 percent Tswana population. there are other groups but are small and integral part of Tswana .so basically there's homogeneity. same thing in Japan,the Yamato are 95 percent of population. there are smaller ethnic groups but are too integrated with Yamato to be considered separate.

China is a fictitious communist shithole with Han Chinese suppressing Tibet ethnic nation and other Yugur ehtnic nation. I think Tibet and Yugur should have their indepndence. The other smaller ethnic nations which in fact i would prefer to call communities such as Zhuang,Quiang ,yao and the rest are an integral part of Han Chinese.

ultimately I advocate universal culture ,mixture and homogeneity,and It will eventually happen on it's own accord, but for now the political system needs to be rectified in colonial shitholes like Nigeria most of Africa ,and south east asia like Phillipines,etc . You just can ask people to discard their heritage.

who is asking anyone to discard their heritage? correct that notion. all tribes should be respected but all tribes don't need to go their separate ways to form another nation, that's my point. a nation can prosper and thrive whether it is homogeneous or not. it can prosper and thrive whether they were merged or invaded by building bridges of Trust and cordial relationships.

bad leadership is the only culprit for underdevelopment.

Igbochief001:
No body knew him before 1999 they were strong armed

The rest Igbo states are doing fantastic relative to restrictions n least revenue they collect

fantastic in what sense, they have the lowest corruption index or they are the most developed?

the future of the youths are also secured too? crime rate is low? unemployment is also low? I can keep going, but what do you mean exactly?

Fash20:
Nigeria is a country europe is a continent. OP use your brain na

that is why the post says IMAGINE, use your IMAGINATION

B3ACHSIDE:
I propose all African regions : West ,North,South,East,Central Africa be federations with all Ethnic nations: ( Efik-ibibio-Ejagham-Obolo cluster) or Calabarians, Yoruba,Ashanti, Beti/Fang,Igbo,Hausa,Tiv/Idoma cluster , Ijaw , Krahn ,Mende,Zulu/Xhosa cluster ,Kanuri ,etc,) as autonomous states or provinces .
All communities /dialects : Efik(Calabarian) ,Ijebu(Yoruba) ,Yerwa(Kanuri),Onicha(Igbo) ,Sakkwatanci(Hausa),Annang(Calabarian), Owerre(Igbo),Ibibio(Calabarian) Atsi(Fang), etc. as autonomous districts or cities within each states or province.

My proposal is true independence compared to the fictitious colonial shithole mergers a few decades ago? It is foolish to advocate civic nationalism of fictitious colonial mergers . And it is foolish to compare forceful colonial mergers to deliberate foundations like America,Canada,and Australia . If the powers so wished,Yoruba could have been carved into Benin republic , Hausa could have need carved into Niger republic.
My favorite countries in the world are ethno states like Japan,Botswana,South Korea,Scotland, Norway,Netherlands,Lithuania,etc.
This does not advocate division or bigotry. in fact,I believe this will foster unity and corporation. Individuals would still relocate to any state or city of choice and also intermarry. In fact, i think the ethnic squabbles would be eliminated if all the ethnic groups have autonomy and control of their land, rather than a unitary system where they are all fighting for scarce resources. It would not matter where the presidents are from.
Africans should unite at their own accord ,not forcefully merged.
There are numerous benefits having larger federations like West ,South ,North,East,Central Africa,but I won't get into that that now.
This is my view at this time,and i'm always opened to reason with other opinions.

you have put a good solution forward but is that truly the answer?

America and Canada were the so called NEW WORLD OF RICHES to the invaders from Europe. they went to North America to plunder the land of gold, silver, sugar, spice etc. Just like they did when they colonised Nigeria.

Some of them later settled and almost wiped out the native population of USA and CANADA numbering into their millions in a short number of years. Is that what you call "DELIBERATE FOUNDATION"? mind you some of the natives survived and still live with the invaders up till today but they live largely in peace and their countries prospers. Their histories are well known, but the native Americans have learnt to make peace with it and work with their NEW NEIGHBORS.

In Nigeria's case the invaders left and we gained independence yet unlike the native Americans we haven't made peace with the past. Nelson Mandela (may his soul rest in peace) understood this quite well, he knew the past was in the past. he didn't seek revenge for apartheid, instead he knew despite South Africa not being homogeneous,
if the people worked together there is no stopping how bright their future would become. But since his death look how South Africa has fallen from grace because black men refuse to make peace with the past. every time black South Africans feel like they have been cheated or are not getting all they deserve they remember how Nigerians are taking their jobs and women and start blaming and killing Nigerians, they start being xenophobic.

mind you morale were high after independence, Nigeria had her future in her hands but bad leadership from a corrupt government lead us where we are. bad leadership is what failed us and not any merger, ours is no better than the native Americans, the wrong done to them is worse than us, yet they are far better than we are today.

Igbochief001:
Orji uzo kalu was imposed by his God father ibb in 1999 ...that lead to the series of bad leadership in abia

do you mean Ibo voters in Abia don't count? do you mean Orji Kalu did not have a strong followership of PDP then later APC supporters in Abia?
Abia apart what of the rest of the east, are the state members not active in politics too? who imposed bad leadership on them too?

Guestlander:
Nonsense, 12 years after the war, the second republic came and one Ibo man was already the vice president of Nigeria. Ojukwu, the man who brought the war on his own people who caused the deaths of millions was allowed to come back to Nigeria without any repercussions.
No Ibo mad has ever been denied to contest for a higher office just because he is Ibo. No Ibo man has ever been prevented from doing his business anywhere in Nigeria.
Nigeria is not perfect, there are structural issues which are affecting all Nigerians equally not matter where you come from.
But the Ibos harbor deep animosity against other Nigerians which was subtle and not very apparent until the coming of the internet.
It gave us a glimpse into the type of orientation ibo children got from their parents. You can all see it in Nnamdi Kanu and his army of hate mongers, and even here on Nairaland.

your tone has deep seated animosity... my message to you is "rebuild TRUST and RELATIONSHIPS".

igbochief001

1. patriotism starts first from the leaders and down to the followers. the reverse leads to chaos. patriotism also stems on values. there must be a value/values driving patriotism eg like the motto of Nigeria "Unity and Faith, Peace and Progress". all those elements when adopted by the leaders faithfully will guide their decisions, actions and words. followers will then follow suit.

2. the weak justice system of Nigeria crippled by corrupt leaders is responsible for the other things you listed. fix it and going forward things will be better. but that is going forward. no one can fix the past and anyone who dwells there can't be fixed.

Igbochief001:
U can't say for sure ... people like hope won't be imo governor

minus Hope has the easterners set a pattern of voting in leaders during PDP and APC era's that were without corruption? is corruption not institutionalized in the east since 1960 till now like in the rest of Nigeria. are the ibos not engaging in crimes in and outside business, in Nigeria and abroad in high rates like other Nigerians ? so on what moral ground do you think they are more Noble than other Nigerians?

Rodwave:
You don't know how to use analogy. You can't compare unrelated issues. It is foolishness to keep making foolish analogy. Learn how to compare similar things together first.

it is difficult too to criticize analytically.

donyfrank:
Could you imagine that one man in government in my locality embezzled our money.
When he knew we are serious to get back our money, he ran to Kaduna, and those people welcomed him and protected from our people who went there to bring him back.

Assuming we are homogeneous, those people in Kaduna would have handed him over to my people,but no, he was protected.

it has nothing to do with being homogeneous rather it has everything to do with the justice system. if the justice system in Nigeria is working as it should be, where ever he runs in Nigeria he will be persecuted. it's like black lives matter campaign against racism. those blacks are not homogeneous to the whites, do you recommend all the blacks be deported to Africa or the white should fix the racism problem in some institutions? its similar to this too.

AdaoraNK:
The foundation is faulty, it paved way for bad leadership. The constitution should be amended and return Nigeria to three region member states or we adopt the 2014 national conference report which APC fulani led government said "its for the archive" knowing that the conference report will reposition the country to a better place meaning some people are benefiting spoilt Nigeria.

GEJ meant well for this country.

GEJ and all other past leaders of Nigeria has failed it. while he lead a tolerant government it was hugely corrupt.

we play myopic politics too much in Nigeria and eveeyone misses the big picture in the end.

Igbochief001:
Corruption is a fruit of lack of patriotic citizens
Lack of patriotism grows from lack of unity and hope ...this grows from lack of trust ...lack of trust have been there from day one

The best we can have is regional government

Those Christians in the north who fulanis have taken their land how do u want them to trust fulanis

Igbo man whose goods was sized while hausa man's own was realised how do u want him to trust the Nigerian system

Ipob are criminals and are attacked like an army , herdsmen are talked to given money , bandits are pets to the army ....how do u want igbos to trust Nigeria

Crude oil rush of of the ground in nsukka , udi all in enugu , in ebonyi where colonial masters mined 2000 barrels a day yet u what this people to trust Nigeria and be patriotic ?


Lol Bros there is nothing that can unit Nigeria ...it's over that's simple

I'll address your points soon

Igbochief001:
Elected officials don't even believe in the Nigerian project , ameachi said it , we are just joking

We are different people , we eat different foods let's go and grow at our pace

remember it most likely the same corrupt elements that will still rule the new country. don't change the wine bottle forgetting the wine.

Igbochief001:
Bad leadership is as a result of what ?
Lack of merit
Lack of merit is caused by what lack of trust

People like dumb buhari has no business being army officer not to talk about army general

Or the chief judge has no business being a lawyer even not to talk about being chief judge


The list

lack of merit is also due to corruption, corruption is due to failing legal systems which doesn't punish erring ones. who will push for this, elected officials but across Nigeria all tribes still vote in corrupt officials. that is why all Nigerian states have deep rooted corruption.

Igbochief001:
U can't build trust when the fandation is faulty
We are too different to be a nation .... southern Nigerians relate more with Ghana than north even

there is no faulty foundation, their is only faulty leadership. bad leadership is the enemy.

B3ACHSIDE:
You are wrong . The individual you quoted is right . No country would ever develop first world with such a flawed system.

really?? read up about china

Commonsense99:

Very good question, why have some Nigerians refused to move on? The blatant answer is the Jelousy, which breeds Envy and bring him down syndrome that is embedded in the yoruba and fulani man's black heart.

Even this forum will not move it to front page, but if it was an igbo criminal case, or Nnamdi kanu post, it would be on page 25 by now.

This shows the level of unforgivemess in Nigeria, and we all know which tribe that have constantly propagating this hatred, from their intentional lopsided government policies to outright beef for 53yrs while years.
But the igbo man forgave quickly, went out again and bought properties with a forgiven heart, re invest , and yet he is seen as an enemy.

This is why we insist that this country was never and will never be one.
The whole of western Europe (7 countries) is 196 million, But they colonised the whole world.
Only Nigeria is 200million, why can't we seperate into just 3 countries in peace?

in the Nigerian story, the Ibo citizenry were hard done. the vengeful nature of the Fulani/hausa's caused them to pounce on an entire tribe because of what a few soldiers lead by an Ibo man did to their leaders. Those who wronged them should have been dealt with alone and not an entire tribe which is genocidal. I believe that lead to them feeling unsafe and wanting to live Nigeria as a whole. post civil war, we have had some of that pattern of ethnic killing replicated time and again. this is unjust, and I condemn it.


but the ibo's are also not without fault. they lost the war for freedom from Nigeria and while I commend majority of them for going back to different parts of Nigeria that they ran from forgetting how their people may have been killed their, some of them and their followers have not accepted the result of the war. Germany and japan lost their respective wars fairly and Unfairly but did not dwell on the loss. dwelling on it would have cause them to seek revenge and maybe WW3. moving on is more noble for great minds but not easy if you aren't mature enough.

TheGodlessGod:
It's because blacks run nigeria and subsahara africa and they are cursed with backwardness

I feel our "curse" is living in ignorance and self pity. we like self pity too much.

Igbochief001:
Name the country in Europe that's multi cultural that's practice unitary system of government the likes of Germany ,lexumburg, Italy, Spain and Belgium all practices regional government even if the people within the country are closely related and speak mostly one language

Oga Nigeria is made up of several nations .... people form country on their own not forced together

and you have gone and missed the point. the point of the post is build TRUST and RELATIONSHIPS. europe was just an analogy to show that something good can happen in a place where people want to rebuild trust and relationship.

even in one tribe, there are still prejudice between states, within communities of the same states, even within villages in the same state.

Igbochief001:
Because they were divided into cultural line ... developed at their own rate then came back together as eu

Imagine mixing Spain and france and Belgium and expect unity and growth

Let's go our separate ways , grow out our one rate ...in 50 years time we can form and economic regional body like EU

we already have AU with Nigeria a member state and ECOWAS for West African countries. what other union are you imagining?

the analogy of Europe was to imagine it like a country, like Nigeria is and not to see it as a continent of countries as it really is.

Neatboy:
Please, this is front page worthy. Unforgiveness hinders progress. Bitterness kills faster than even the worst disease.

After the First World War it was like the winner takes it all-- sharing of spoils. Hitler also participated in that war. Lands were take away from them. He saw what took place in Europe after his country lost so he vowed that when he becomes the leader that he would reclaim what Germany lost. He grew up to power with that hate. He was a nationalist that is why some Germans initially supported him. But he allowed his hate to take the whole of him.

Nobody wants to remain conquered people forever! This is exactly what is happening in Nigeria-- the winner takes it all mentality! Europe learnt its lesson after the Second World War. If Nigeria is not careful what happened in Europe will repeat itself here. You can't be holding somebody down for long in this modern time. Even empires grow and fall, and Nigeria government or system won't be exceptional if the major players do not come together to settle issues. Now that the Europeans had learnt their lessons they allow even the smallest of nation states to decide their own faith. Nigeria is still operating with the manual of the Civil War... The major reason Europe is experience peace is because even the smallest tribe have right for self-determination if they can fend for themselves amongst the committee of nations.

thanks for your contribution

9jathingsonpoint:
it's too late

it's only too late when you throw in the towel

Ugaboy:
A nagging and troublesome wife
...maybe there no peace in the family

Another angle

englishmart:
Firstly, your grammar is flawed. It should be "were" in place of are. 2ndly, there's nothing to describe there as it's clear and self explanatory.

Thanks for the first correction

Ugaboy:
Animal in human skin

Is that not too harsh

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