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Obinoscopy:
Who can solve this? It's not as easy as you think.

the answer is 23

I was just thinking and these are my thoughts.

Europe is one of the most advanced continent in the world. less than 8 decades ago (75 years ago exactly) it experienced a devastating war that lasted for years. it devastated her people in millions, it ruined her lands, it destroyed a large portion of her infrastucture and worst still it broke TRUST and RELATIONSHIPS amongst nations.

looking at Europe today, the traces of world war 1 and 2 are almost none existent. all that was lost have been gotten a hundred folds. but most importantly the TRUST and RELATIONSHIP POST WAR has been fully restored. europeans did not suddenly develop amnesia and forgot the past. infact they still vivid remember and celebrate their fallen heroes. they teach it in their history lessons to. but they choose not to live in the past, they learnt the lesson that narcissistic governments or personality cannot maintain political peace. the citizens learnt to reason contrary to populist ideas from narcissistic politicians and dictators amongst other things. the point is they learnt lessons from the past but have left the past in the past, where it should rightly be.

the wrong done by Germany is never brought up in Europe again, in fact the Germans are highly respected and their products are widely accepted and used in Europe. in fact they merged all together to form the EU (except for UK that just left, but still see how cordially they left while still drafting out stronger trade deals between their economies)

if Europe was represented by Nigeria post-civil war which is about 6 decades ago (53 years ago exactly), Europe would have been a mess. The lessons from the civil war will never be learnt, the TRUST and RELATIONSHIP will never be built. it brings up the question, were the losses of lives and properties less severe in the two world wars than that of the Nigerian civil war?
why was Europe able to pick up the broken pieces and moved on without ever looking back?


in addition between Asia and the American continents, the USA and JAPAN are very strong allies. but guess what the USA bombed two major cities in Japan with the baddest bombs ever made- the nuclear bomb.
imagine a part of Nigeria was bombed with such nuclear weapon and millions were killed, will those who threw that bomb ever be forgiven?
The Japanese forgave the US and that history although known is never brought up in their modern politics.
so why do Nigerians build mansions in the past and comfortably live there though they have the power to forge a better and peaceful future for themselves like the Europeans did and that of the Japanese?

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Ojiofor:
Nnamdi Azikiwe was ceremonial head of state under the 6 years Tafawa Belewa who was the prime minister.
Wether Igbo want to rule Nigeria or Biafra is question for another day,the reality at the moment is that Igbo have only ruled Nigeria for 6months only out of 60 years of Nigeria existence.Reality check!

it would be fair if an Ibo is given the hot seat, that is being FAIR but there is a big difference between being FAIR and DESERVING the seat.


In my opinion Ibo's should be given the seat on fairness but not on merit (deservedly so).

the Ibo's should preach national unity more to DESERVE the hot seat. I believe the Ibo's will get their turn either in 2023 or after that. when they get to rule though, I hope afterwards when they have to wait for 16 or more years before it gets back to them they will be champions of national unity unlike in the past.


Europe fought world war 1 and 2 but today it's in the past. they have forgiven themselves and formed the EU. USA bombed Japan with atomic bombs, wiped out two cities but today USA and Japan are very strong allies. the civil war should not be relived everyday in Ibo land. it was bad but it is in the past. ibos should do like the Japanese and Germans and forge stronger alliance and fulfill their potentials in Nigeria

Christie06:
Why can't people just help without wanting something in return

please

Uchek:
Please when and how did Zik rule for 3 years?

1963-1966 with the Prime Minister

Igbochief001:
Fulanis are patriotic to fulanis , that's why as a tribe they are successful , same can't be said of other tribes in the north .....hausas are more yet vote fulanis

This is simple logic ...every region in Nigeria would do better on their own ....there is no point being Nigeria , there is absolutely no advantage what so ever

it still hasn't worked out for the north. they are no better off than the south.

mind you the spirit of independence without a plan is counter productive. Nigeria and most African countries were quick in seeking their independence after world war 2, it's been several decades after and although Europe fought a terrible war, all the traces are gone. but we still don't have functional infrastructure and economy. this is due to a lack of principles

Igbochief001:
Yo grow as a nation u need two basic things ....patriotic citizens and enthrone merit ....this are the things the Igbo posseses in excess ...igbos are very patriotic to their homeland and always wants merit ...so with that I believe igbos would do better alone

Truth is no body believes in one Nigeria ...no tribe ...infact it's Igbo that believes in one Nigeria the most ...reason we build anywhere ... hypocrisy is just the issue

Nigeria can never grow unless we enthrone merit ...fear of Igbo domination is the reason we can't enthrone merit ...it's so simple ...let's go our separate ways ..every region would do better

the north are largely patriotic to their kind but it hasn't worked out for them. you actually need both the people and the leaders to be patriotic.

Kc3000:
Tafawa Balewa - Gera
Gowon - Angas
Babangida-Gwari(Gbagyi)...some may argue he's Hausa.
Abdulsami Abubabakar-same as Babangida
Abacha-Kanuri
Jonathan-Ogbia
If we decide to separate Fulani from Hausa, then add Murtala Mohammed, Shagari, Buhari and Yar'Adua.

Lol minorities actually ruined Nigeria.

thanks for the insight

etrange:
You are right. But we don't reall know how an Igbo man will fare until he's given the chance. They may do better, they may take it as a chance to undo all the wrongs done to them, they may be worse than others, etc. But like I said, everyone deserves a chance to show what they have to offer.

I'm off to the grocery store. It's been nice having this chat.

Good night!

thanks for the opportunity. good night

Kc3000:
Tafawa Balewa - Gera
Gowon - Angas
Babangida-Gwari(Gbagyi)...some may argue he's Hausa.
Abdulsami Abubabakar-same as Babangida
Abacha-Kanuri
Jonathan-Ogbia
If we decide to separate Fulani from Hausa, then add Murtala Mohammed, Shagari, Buhari and Yar'Adua.

Lol minorities actually ruined Nigeria.

thanks for the insight

etrange:
needanswer, you see why I said your stance is faulty and the perspective is not worth it. Oya, come and answer them.

I like the post. I have noted it

etrange:
Like you said, the idea of different groups being possible sources of credible candidates; major or minor.

zoning currently is the only system put forward for these but I doubt it is viable for long

Igbochief001:
Igbos have little or nothing to do with Nigeria running , we played little or no role in it ,no body should blame igbos

There is absolutely no way Nigeria can work , ...let's all go our separate ways , we can share a common currency n for a regional body ...but let each people control their destiny

that idea of separation sounds interesting but I think it's a populist idea. although you are correct in the Ibo's playing a little role in the hot seat. they deserve a shot at it.

but aside that, a nation is built on principles, minus the Ibo's being industrious as their good quality (even though they have their flaws too), what principles have they shown to prove they can govern themselves better if they separate today?

etrange:
Talking about that, Nnamdi Azikiwe ruled when the office of the president was not the powerful position. There was a prime minister in control.

@bolded, don't derail your own thread. It's been an interesting conversation so far. This isn't about Biafra but about who's held more power time.

I'll try not to derail it. okay so the Ibo's have been short changed. In this democracy you deserve a short at the top seat, it will be fair you get it. but like other major ethnic group when they land the hot sit, tribalism sets in, instead on building an all inclusive government. I hope the Ibo's will fair better where others have failed in the past

etrange:
True what I am saying is that it's not a majority vs minority thing. Minority is crying that they've not had enough power time while one of the majorities is crying they've never really had any real power time. So you see, it's simply about fairness for all.

OK, so what do you consider fairness for all?

Igbochief001:
Firstly hausa has never ruled Nigeria not for a day

The only Igbo that actually ruled was ironsi which was not up to a year

Only yoruba and fulani are the major ethic group to have ruled Nigeria

Infact ijaws have ruled more than Igbo and hausa combined .....

from what I know the Hausa lands are dominated by Fulani's leading us to call them wrongly as Hausa's. then those minor ethnic groups have managed to rule by masquerading under the disguise of the major ones

etrange:
Going forward, everyone deserves a chance, minor or major and I agree with you regarding Jonathan. However, politics is a game of numbers and as such, people who can pull multitudes are usually better off. Seeing that Nigerans vote based on tribe, it might seem as if the smaller ethnic groups have no chance. But history has proven that this isn't necessarily the case. There are other factors asides number. For example, while the so called major ethnic groups were fighting one another, Jonathan was busy taking advantage of that. This can always happen again. The minor ethnicities are somewhat affiliated to the major ones. And because the major ones are always fighting (especially those in the South), they'd rather support someone from the minor group than a candidate from another major group. This dynamics made it possible for a minor ethnic group produce president while one of the major ethnic groups have been striving for it for years.

Like I said, everyone deserves a chance.

every one deserves a chance is a fair statement. but I doubt everyone will actually get a chance. it will only be possible is tribal sentiment is totally removed (also religious).

Ojiofor:
Gowon 9 years,IBB 8 years,Abacha 5 years,GEJ 5 years and Abdul SALAM Abubakar 1 total of so called minority rule=28 years.
Tafawa Belewa 6 years,Gen Ironsi 6 months,Murtala Mohamed 6 months,Obj 11 years,Shagari 4 years,Yaradua 3 years,Buhari 7 years so called majority rule=32 years.
You can see that Nigeria was equally ruined by both minority and majority ethnic groups with exception Igbos that rule the country for 6 months only.

what of chief Nnamdi azikwe. he ruled for 3 years too. the Ibo of cause are the least of the major groups to rule but are the Ibo's truly interested in ruling Nigeria or their own state?

you have made a good argument for minority rule,i'll look more into it. while I do that though remember those rule where majorly during the military. in democracy where popular and numbers in tribe matters such rule for minority groups will be much harder

Amotolongbo:
what about Yakubu Gowon?

from a minor ethnic group in plateau but performed better than a lot of leaders from the major ethnic groups, but if it was a democratic government that was runned then, he would have stood no chance.

etrange:
I didn't say you didn't have your point. Sorry if that's the impression I created. But I am faulting your stance. The premise that people vote for their tribes or more popular candidates is absolutely true but the it does not sufficiently support the conclusion that the major ethnic groups collectively misruled Nigeria. This is because, after all said and done, the fact remains that someone from a minor ethnic group has recently held the most powerful position in the country, a height that one of the so called major ethnic groups has not attained. So what exactly is the bases of your submission? I think it will be more beneficial to call out our leaders regardless of their ethnicities.

my submission is going forward will a minor ethnic group be looked at as a source for a candidate or will it always be from the majority. mind you if someone like Jonathan was from the north he won't have lost his re-election bid. he lost not because he failed at governance (which he did in some major areas) but majorly because he didn't have the tribal numbers to keep him in power another term

etrange:
This blame game is actually not neccessary. A minor ethnic group like that of Jonathan has ruled in recent times for 5 years but you believe a major ethnic group like Igbo that hasn't smelled that position since Nnamdi Azikiwe is the one that misruled Nigeria? Or did you want to say Hausas and Yorubas but do not want to come off as tribalistic? I'm very detribalised and I agree Nigerian leaders have messed up that country; I just don't think the angle you're coming from offers any useful perspective.

I see your point but I have mine too. a while ago while I was still in university politics I found out that people rarely voted for their convictions or for the best candidate. just who is more popular or from their department/faculty. it wasn't on merit but on sentiments. the hausa/fulani wants to vote in themselves, same as the Yoruba's and igbo's, it's tribe FIRST before CREDENTIALS.

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etrange:
Lol... why this well crafted blame game though? I thought Jonathan was from one of the minor ethnic groups?

the minority group like that of Jonathan played a minor role. just 5 years which is not up to two terms like the others

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we have so many tribes and ethnic groups in Nigeria. the major rulers have come from majority ethnic groups in the north and south. while minority ethnic groups are pushed aside no matter how qualified they are. it is therefore logical to conclude that the major ethnic groups that have been ruling us since 1960 where the ones that ruined Nigeria, while the minority groups played a little part.

Christie06:
Why can't people just help without wanting something in return

help me with some thousand bucks, please. (PS : I added please o)

profilemessages:
To me its seems people don't want to end up in divorce or on any other problems and issues related with marriage any longer.
All that is usually seen are single guys still remaining single for along time.

Or am I dreaming or something

What do you think?

the concept of getting married is similar to walking on egg shells, one misstep and everything will crumble.

marriage is now a battle front. it's no longer where you live happily ever after. so if you must do, write and sign your will.

Rozz:
you are somehow right

good you see my point. so if you ever wanted to get married know it might be for a selfish reason, it doesn't make you a bad person but at least you are not a hypocrite.

PrecioussB:
Some are really sweet and cool. . .and the rest are a bunch of nuisance!

Nairaland guys are mostly none conformist. they are not the typical guys that ladies are used to on social media or anywhere else.

I'll say they are unique. they are unruly too but that is because they can't be easily TAMED. the more you try to tame them, the more unruly the get. so you just have to understand them.

PUSSYHOE:
Good day everyone, I am a guy who isn't as the topic implies, resources or not good lady or not, marriage isn't in my dictionary but that doesn't mean I don't want an offspring or need female affection. I just want to live my life without having to live with a woman.

for my fellow guys with same ideology, how do we go about it without condemnation from society, government and the opposite sex whom sole aim is getting marriage, not to forget family.

how do we deal with pressures from the aforementioned?

I agree with you on some things. if you want to remain single for life it means you have to pretend a lot in the society. cause world people no like hear truth.

you have to come across as someone who isn't emotionally attached to women, someone who isn't capable of expressing love. your mom, sisters or female relatives and friends must never see you in the company of girls socially, unless it's for business. you mustn't keep a girlfriend they know or anyone you know, knows. if you come across as a player, women will hate you including your family. but if you come across as someone who can't express love and don't want to stress someone's daughter they will empathize with you.

when the pressure is much to marry and have a grandchild just promise them a grandchild or children, even without marriage they will accept it cause they know personally you don't care for such but just because you want to please them.

udopee:
Many times I use to ask myself, "Do we as Women need men

Well, the answer is,
"OF COURSE WE DO".

To say we women don't need men would be out of context to the divine design of God (Genesis 2:18).

We need men because God said so, not because we would die without them as society sees it.

Come on, men are not the air that we breath. Yes, women can inhale and exhale without men.

Let's see, women in the house, breath in, out, in, out,.... Doesn't that feel good? And not a man was in sight!
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Please men should know that because woman was taken out of man does not suggest women are inferior and can't live without men.

Women are the corresponding sex of men, designed by God to help and complement men. But most of all, both sex need God. After all, we were really created for His pleasure (REVELATION 4:11).

Therefore, it is safe to conclude that men and women need one another, either as friends, siblings, mates, and as lovers. We balance out and complete one another.

Please let men encourage the women in their lives knowing fully well that God is pleased when we walk in the office of our femininity.

#FRESH_DEW
#HEAVENS_DEW

Bringing God into this equation won't help anybody at all. Yes marriage is from God and love too but both are not being practised the way God said it.

women no longer see themselves as under the headship of a man in marriage rather they prefer concept such as EQUAL PARTNERS/PARTNERSHIPS, even Christian women let's not lie. nobody, men and women LOVES the way the Bible say we should LOVE in Corinthians. our love is a selfish love. love that is only looking for what it will gain in a relationship or marriage, is that one love?

so leave out the Bible from this. no man for any woman and vice versa.

we only get married this days cause it's our biological time/clock to get married. if 5-10 years is removed from our ages, many men and women won't even consider marriage, talkless of getting married.

Cc Rozz

meobizy:
If you keep wondering what women do and why they do them na psychia you go end up last last.

Women are not mysterious beings, they just talk and act that way. So relax.