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Ehin Igbeti borders Ilubirin.

Ehin Igbeti was old marina, back when the Ports Authority were still berthing ships there. It was also later called Quay side. It was a wastedump for the natives of Lagos Island but colonialists later cleaned it up to create convenient stores and merchant stores. Kingsway, Leventis, GBO, etc.

Ilubirin is further up towards Onikan from Kakawa.

The whole coastal land outside of igbo territory has oil as well.

Give me something else Alhaji. Lol!

Besides, igboland is landlocked! Without access to sea their oil will buried underground untill the world has moved on to another global currency.

Market women riots happened everywhere in Nigeria. It is not a unique event to igboland.

I'm talking about giving some exceptional instances of political resistance or insurbordination to the British status Quo. You have none! So shut up about some market women riot in Aba or Umuhaia or wherever that was.

Give us some parallels of sacked Obi or ruler that was dethroned as a penlty for challenging Britain or the like of Mrs Kuti, Madam Tinubu or Awo.

Market women rioted in Markurdi, Bini, Lagos, Ibadan, Akure, that was common! Be exceptional in your resistance to the invaders if you dare!

You were pliant and submissive, hence your rewarding positions.

You came top brilliance but in every decision making situation you fail to exercise good judgement.

Failed in coup, failed in negotiations, failed in war, failed to moe country forward when every strategic position was in your monopoly.

. . . .And you wonder why the rest of country is not secure and trusting in giving Igbo the Presidency. You are not a dominant force, but you lack credibility for success.

Understand the difference between blame (culpability) and attribute (iability). Nobody blamed British!

With your meritocracy, how is it when it came to running a successful political system. . . merit failed you.

Igboland is not rich but you are conceited to believe it is because of your individual success in commerce. Let me analyze it for you.

You are like the sixth generation enterprise group in Lagos. Before you the Hausas, Ijebus, Ilorins (Oro), Ijesa, Lebanese . . All these different groups came to Lagos and traded and succeeded with their businesses. Rarely anybody know this because they don't run around wearing their ego on their shoulder - "hey, look we are the richest people in Nigeria". All of igbo combined has not made half the wealth of a quarter successful poppulation of an Hausa trader in Yorubaland. I am yet to hear Hausa man tell anyone about his wealth.

Long while igbo was still in its age of darkness, Hausa man has thrived in Ibadan, Ogbomoso, Ilorin, Offa, Obalende, Idi Araba and so on. The Ijebus had Palmgrove and Iddo and Idumota loc down. The Oros had Ereko, Ilubirin and Ehin Igbeti, Oshodi, Apapa all locked down. Igbo came to scrap change on the market and started making noise.

Let me give you something to bring tears to your eyes.

All those people that came before you were much smarter you. You claim top brilliance but you are truly dumb. These other people made their money, built a moderate home in the land and remitted the rest back home to invest in much bigger things. Igbo on the other hand made money and built mansions all over foreign soil.

You want to know who is truly rich, the owners of the land you built your mansions on. Your true property is the mansion and the deed to the land (lease).

If your deed to the land is revoked your mansion is worth zero. That's how far your ineptitude in simple matter of politics has become.
Keep getting richer and build more mansions in foreign land instead of investing them in Igboland.

Here is people asking UN to try Nigeria for war crimes but are engaged in and embrace acts of crminal discrimination against their own people.

Human Rights advocates should provide effective protection rights to empower and safeguard the liberty rights of the osus against the non-osus.

Bushman (igbo) culture !

<Quote> @Physics MHD,
 1)I didnt get to your replies because of the spam box and I will be very happy if you send your response in bits so that I can get to read them and give my "propaganda" to it, At least that is your language and that is what you chose to believe.Like I always say human history is such that for certain reasons "history" which ought to be based on fact is often distorted to achieve some points often political in nature. </quote>

Ogbuefi,

The political struggles of man is tied to tangibles. Territorial boundary is a fundamental priority in the consciousness of mankind. Motherland or Fatherland as he calls it! The human bond is an extention of that tangible, be it cultural, religious or racial assimilation. The value of a culture is assessed based on a continous line of glory in its pasts. Sense of cultural supremacy is derived from this assessment. In an attempt to dominate the turf, a culture will project to its rivals far more attributes than it actually is endowed with.

This is purely human nature and normally ok. Without that there will be no rivalry and where there is no competition there will be no advancement.


<Quote> Let me give an example, When Stalin was in power , history at least the one told in the Soviet Union is that he is a hero and defended the country against Nazi advance.But since the collapse of communist rule , what was history has been adjusted and Stalin is now defined as a tyrant by the Russian federation.That is history for you !</quote>

On the international front, Saddam Hussein was reputed as a very patriotic man that will go any length to defend his nation and its citizens against external threats. However on the domestic front, he was a tyrant that selectively murdered people.

The two personalities coexisting in the one individual is possible. Its a paradox of life and can not be concluded as a misrepresentation of historical facts.

There is no abnormality in the side by side paradox, however a clinical study may disagree and see him as a Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde type abnormality.


<Quote> Nigeria today cannot without come out to tell the world her own history between 1966 to  1970 because there are a lot of  contentious issues. </quote>

Who in the world is Nigeria having contentions with on the matter?  There is no guilt on the National conscience regarding the civil war. It was a domestic national security issue and the country handled it admirably. Any account of the war that are left unresolved will contionue to be debated within the domestic front to respond to pending questions that continue to eat-away at the ndigbo soul and spirit.


<Quote> So can I say lets stick to our versions,</quote>

No! Your version is attached to your ego and you have become a prisoner to it. You are seeking to imprison others in that darkness. You need to find healing and let it go.


<Quote> But the fact remains that the Igbo cannot be cowed down just like and have imposed on them what Nigeria thinks is history  for the sake of "national unity",</quote>

Physics is the best to give you reference points on the deveopments and events that led to what you call "history" - a 3 year span of bloodshed that you continously demarcate and package as an isolated hatred and assault on Biafra. As if that 3yrs war was a freak accident of some sort.

If you charge Nigeria a price for the war, what should Nigeria charge you for demoralizing and putting the nation into ruin from 1960 to 66 when it was all under the management of ndigbo?




<Quote> 3)Clap! Clap!! Clap!!! Prof Emovon was VC of UNIJOS, Good Prof Emovon is an accomplished man   and a pride to the Benin people but we do have the likes of Prof Frank Ndili(VC UNN 1980-85) , I personally consider the attainment by Prof Ndili(Africa first Phd holder in Nuclear Physics) remarkable perhaps even more than Prof Emovon's because the UNN is a more prestigious instituion than UNIJOS and as such the position of the VC is usually a tougher one.Besides we also had Prof Chike Onwuachi the first Director General of the Nigerian Institute of International Affairs.I need not remind anyone that beyond Aniomaland, Igbos have produced the likes of Prof Onwuka Dike the first indigenous VC of UNIBADAN and Prof Eni Njoku the first VC of UNILAG both Universities being in Yorubaland.

I am not privy to compare whatever publication by Prof Osagie and Prof Nwanze and make comparisons between them and I dont think you have either.I am therefore challenging you to provide the source of the claim that Prof Osagie is a more accomplished scholar.Perhaps he is outstanding to the Benin people considering the late entry to the British created educational arrangement( let me use your language).
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I have said repeatedly, and there are many anecdotal evidences to support the claim, that Igbos are the wrong majority in Nigeria and your accomplishments are not self-asserted but the results of sponsorship by the colonial master.

At the time when igbo citizens were appointed VC in Yorubaland there were far more qualified Yorubas for the position.

Britain had an agenda to suppress the natural fervor of the West for progressive advancement.

Ibadan was for years the biggest metro city in subsaharan WAfrica and a cosmopolitan one for that matter. In matters of politics we already demonstrated a civilized understanding and self-direction which was a direct affront to the whiteman's need for supremacy and control. Our self-steering and self-dependence was not in harmony with his plans for us to look up to him as "savior" and "benefactor".

To force that behavior and turn the table around he implemented political disadvantages that put other people in charge of our destiny - education, politics, military, law enforcement.

So you need to stop gloating in non-competed appointments that igbos would not have qualified for had the vacancies been fairly competed for on scholarship and merits.

You have the oyibo to thank for subsidizing your majority and advancement in the nationnal history.  



<Quote> 4)The first primary school in Benin was founded in 1900; just a year older than the first primary school founded in Igbodo my home town(c. 1901).The claim that this school in Benin is unfounded and yet one of your lies I am exposing a usual.The first school of such if I should give it such a title was founded in Aboh in 1841 during the reign of Obi Ossai(c 1826-44).This was the year Christainity first came to Igboland and was introduced by Bishop Crowther and Silas Jonah(a native speaker of Igbo) both of them were ex slaves.It was following the death of Obi Ossai in 1844 that forced the Mission to relocate to Onitsha in 1856 where it survived.Unlike the Aboh mission that was unsustainable, the mission and schools in Onitsha expanded and schools were introduced in Asaba in 1875 first by the CMS mission and a year later by the Catholic Mission.Therefore we have had schools for a qtr of a century before it got to Benin.

5) So if the St Thomas College Ibusa was not a secondary School , What was it then ? Because the school still exists in the town and it is a secondary school(the teacher training facilities have been converted to the present Federal Girls College in the town).The Anioma people contributed a lot to propagate the Catholic faith and education in the Midwest region and beyond.I wont be suprised if the said Mr Molokwu did not pass via the college.The first indigenous Catholic Bishop within the Midwest Bishop Nwaezeapu of Warri a native of that town is an example of what the Anioma people gave back to the Mission.You cannot say that the Kings College in Lagos is older than CMS Bariga both are secondary schools except you want to interpret your understanding of secondary schools to mean Govt secondary schools which has never been the case.I will also like to add that the first skills acquisition centre in the Midwest was established in Asaba in 1898.This was the Rural training Institute which has metamorphosized into the present Asaba campus of DELSU(after many years as College of Agriculture).If I were as desparate like you to prove a point I would have I would have claimed that this institution was the oldest secondary school in the Midwest and I can back it up with reasonable points( or propaganda as you think) to back it up.</quote>

Ogbuefi, I am going to use propaganda to rebutt your propaganda here.

The first introduction of western education anywhere in the country happened for two reasons.

1. Teach oyibo version of God

2. Train a labour force for gainful production and commerce.

Igbos have repeatedly said over the forums here in NL that they superseded any other ethnic group in education and that their broad presence in government parastatals and military commands were attestation of their brilliance and achievements as pioneers of western education.

Isn't this true?

Well, you are revealing new information in your narratives.

Here is what I have gathered so far:

A) Igbos were much more pliant and respond with far less resistance to the oyibo man's interest and purpose on the land.

While to the West many groups were rebellious and reluctant to adopt the new religion and a new name, the peiople in the East on other hand did not mind a new identity in exchange for the teachings;  thronged into the classes happy to belong in the new tribe for Jesus.

This rationale also exposes an underlying character of the Igbo tribe; the society is a collection of cellular clans. Yorubas and Hausas have nuclear societies.

The cellular structure of the society makes it difficult to have a central force of rebellion against an invading missionary force. Hence the conversion and indoctrination of the malleable Igbo was all too easy than in anywhere else where missionary success
is recorded.

The missionaries and the colonial administrators had used the experience of their encounters to map the strength and vulnerabilities of each group they cohabited with.

In the decision to put indigenes in possitions of power, this knowledge was implemented as a supplement to the overall objective of continued white man dominance and ownership. So they needed a proxy that would best tow the line and not seek to go independently from the rest.

Thanks to Physics for highliting this knowledge; Hausas did not know what they wanted to do, Yoruba defiantly wanted to go it alone, Igbo wanted a one Nigeria.

Oyibo man concluded against Yoruba in favor of Igbo who all along had been predictably known to fall in line with the white man's demand.

I don't know why Igbo would want one Nigeria ran from the center knowing that such a political structure is foreign to his consciousness. Running a central political system that holds everything else together and in balance is not an Igbo strength.

This point need to be at focus because an Igbo in a future Presidency of Nigeria is a big risk. He will have to be supported by deputies and aides that are natural products of nuclear societies.  


B) The administration affairs of the nation was handed to Igbos. Given their claim to academic qualifiations and top brilliance in the nation, one has to wonder then why nothing worked in the 6yrs -frm 60 to 66 - that Igbo had control of the Presidency, Military and Civil Service authorities.  Inspite the fact we had a President who was a political science graduate, the nation slowly deteriorated and failed to function.

This infuriated the naturally politically astute regions, West and North to fast forward plans for separate destinies.

The West had always known it wanted that but the North was just waking up to it.

Welln not knowing how to give a political resolution to the problem, igbos devised a new meaning to governnment - military coup.

When we talk about how the destiny of Nigeria was ruined, we always have that part of our foothold to blame on Igbo, in addition to many other unecessary atrocities and problems you caused as a result of your ineptitude at central governance.  

<Quote> @Negro_Ntns, Proto-Semitic, lol, That cant be true because the genetic make up of Semites is different from the genetic make up of West Africans.The Y chromosone trait of West Africans is primarily Eb1b1 while that of the Semites is Eb1a1.I will advice you research more on history than just speculating.Your notes on Lagos was however informative.</quote>

When you hear the word proto-semitic the Jewish people instantly came to your mind. Let me correct it.

Abraham the father of Children of Israel, which later took the designation Jew, was a man from the Euphrates/Tigris area and spoke Akkadian.

Hebrew language belonged to the Canaanites. Their land covred what would today extend from Israel on the North, Jordan on West, Qatar on East, Yemen on South. That Southern part is a coshare between them and Cush/Axum.

Looking at the map of Africa and Middle East, Arabian Peninsula itself is a fracture - cookie snap - off the mainland Africa.

Before that breakoff would have happened, it could be accurately argued that that whole peninsula and its inhabitants were mainland Africans.

Ancient Hebrew, spoken by Canaanites is a member of semite language. Others are Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Amharic and so on. They are termed semitic. Other tongues that share root words with them are termed proto-semitic.

Yoruba has too many similarities and symmetrical rituals that it is much harder to prove it as an indigenous West African origin than it is to place it at home in this Afro-Asiatic peninsula.

If you are using genome as a qualifier then you have to first prove that Canaanites which is semitic share same genome tyype with the rest of semitic grp.

SSS Diretor no fit locate Boko wey dey right there under your nose but you want locate digital identity embedded in radio frequency.

Na who authorize your budgetary funding sef? Until u deal with Boko problem no more funding for you.

LoL!

Of course BIAFRA should live on. As long you are not relieving your warped belief that you own Nigeria, good luck to Biafra!

We had been seeking an independent West before independence. Reason Britain was not comfortble with Yoruba leaders in control of government.

We saw a "red" flag circumstance in 1966 and because we were savvy and wise, didn't think the time was right.

ndigbo wanted a "One Nigeria". They used thug mentality to grab it and failed, woefully! Then they backtracked and said, "you know what, maybe we should just get Biafra. They failed in tat as well.

I'm glad Yoruba used wisdom. We see where fools end up after repeated failures!!

Ogbona, I'm not sure your leaders online will approve that jab u threw. They don't want to read my response to u.

There is a reason they relocated from Bauchi to Maiduguri.
In Bauchi, they had a locatable compound. In Maiduguri they do not.

If you really want to know their game plan look back to around 79 or 80 or something like that for what maitatsine sect did and how they waged their offense.

Boko is trying to use the lessons of maitatsine failure to reinforce his force and evade capture.

Their location in Maiduguri makes it easier for them to get resource and support from Chad.

Chad has plenty of rebellion groups and matter of fact maitatsine sect's members were made up of Niger and Chad citizens.

Boko will recruit, restock and rearm from Chad. When the government closes in on them they have a escape plan to take off into Chad.

They are also borrowing from Al Qaeda and Taliban tActics of cross border attacks. I suspet their leader may not be in Nigeria but hiding in Chad from a base.
GEJ need to include Custom and Border guards in the JTF, but knowing what our custom officers do, the border patrol and controlk may not be effective.

The country need ground surveillance to track, map and pinpoint the footsteps and tracks that Boko's footsoldiers leave behind. Those tracks will lead to a substantial operating base and a good target for a demoralizing attack on their command center.

<Quote> They steal their fellow Igbos and bring them to Ijaw land where we sell them on to the white man.</quote)

Hmm, That explains why over 1Million Igbo citizens ended up in Americas.

Ijaw owe Igbo reparations for slavery.

NdIgbo and claim mentaity. Was her ethnicity in contention?

To all who do not understand my distaste for uncredible, freelancing online sources, this is a good example why.

This is a good way for journalists and authors wannabe to paint the history of a people how they want it to appear.

The representation of Yoruba Nation is wrong and inaccurate, I don't care if the author is a yoruba or some other ethnicity.

The internet is an open system. You can register in wikipedia and write account of subjects you are not expert on.

Alj, please modify your article or put a link to the source here.

Thanks!

Bayelsa no be SS? How in take become SSE?

Has anyone heard of a South South East? Wth!!

<Quote> Stop making noise! How can you claim dominion over those who have always had dominion?</quote>

I don tell 'em soteey I red for mouth!

Wey ethnic history concern Igbo majority na oyibo create am.

Becomrich na wah for you sef. . Lol!

Which one be dis South South East wey u don create so?

This letter has been written in english and then translated to arabic in case they don't speak or read english.

Well what if they don't undrstand either.

I need someone translate to hausa, another person put it in fulani, then may be alsoo pidgin english.

That way boko no fit get excuse say dem get the letter but na the message no get to them.