₦airaland Forum

@negro

 Too bad,so sad,your sentiments notwithstanding,yorubaland is still and will always be the poorest region in the south,you and your northern bedfellow will forever remain poverty stricken,iseee!

 
 I should have know that in a poverty stricken region,mud houses are seen as mansions,it is therefore not suprising that ijebuland,ileshaland and oroland,must be ful of mud houses which in your poverty ravaged eyes equates to mansions and hence your illusion of affluence.


 Of course we invest in lagos,not to benefit you guys,but to suck you dry,leaving you poor in the midst of affluence,we pay some taxes to your government not to help your poverty ravaged a55es,but to service the flamboyant lives of your leaders,the rest of the profit we remit back to igboland to improve the lives of our people and liberate them from poverty,and just as we sucked you dry,so shall we suck your children and generation unborn,isee!!



Vice,

I was told that you are a hard shell, very difficult to break.

I wish now that I had taken the bet.

Maple,

Is it second son or the son born following a set of twins?

, I messed up when I said Dada in Yoruba, I meant Idoowu.

Wow! Well see what you lost in all that equation you just expressed.

The opportunity of having the best propagandist in NL and the most savvy of all negotiators anywhere within the West African region.

Oh, I bet it doesn't!

. . . But Sanusi's does!

Please don't squander it. Maximize it an you will just step into the Presidency as a president or Vice President come 2015!
Enyojo,

Isn't madam igbo? Why do u say 2015?

You mean 2023! The SE zone is what Gej is siiting on at moment. Hausa gets it next on 2015, then Yoruba and Igbo after that.

Stop that 2015 nonsense campaign.

Still the only one in the entire Africa (for Astronomy


Really? Wow, that's Great!


Smebody's yucky mouth said something about I'm not good enough. Was that you said ZnO?

Jaran

Thanks for your version. I want to share with you though that the textbook or book version is an embellishment of the true account that I gave.


I never said Bini all the way to Ghana were not one family and people and Nation, but as you can see even brothers fight amongst themselves and take up allegiances on one side or other.


In Yorubaland, there are names that are also titles. The Yoruba/Bini culture is so interinked that to the untrained eye of the outsider its hard to tell which side took what from the other.
Esikpa, Asipa, Ashipa. All the same! Akhen, Akin, Aken, all the same!

Akin in Yorubaland is usually reserved for warrior lineage.
Ade is reserved for royal bloods.

So why does an Oba have Akin or Aken in his name? Because Obas were also commander in chief of his army. In ancient time Obas an d their Princes fought in battle fronts.

Asipa as a high priest title is also one of the closest aides to the King.

So are you saying Esikpa was a yoruba priest and not a Bini prince?


If the battle of Iddo is what led to the setllement of the Binis, then the palace should not have been where it is today and has been since Oba Addo was coronated.

The version of the story I gave is you the palace version. Both palaces, Lagos and Bini are in harmony on this version.

Now what the books say , and there are many different book ersions out there, is a different matter.

There are books that did not get the Kosoko/Akitoye battle right, nor did they get the Dosumu story right but yet the Palace has its own history on what happened to the throne and the acounts on those Kings.

Matter of fact, there are also misunderstandings on the story of Oba Esugbayi and his conflict with the British settlers and why they deposed him.


I would also like to mention that Oshodi is an Edo name.

You should wonder then why a Nupe warrior would be conferred with an Edo name to give him the titlle Oshodi-Tapa.

I agree.

Tinubu is overambitious. Fashola, out of respect and unity, is keeping silent from any public criticism of his predecessor.

We need a man of substance and humility to lead true progress. Tinubu appears to be using the wild wild west assertiveness to cement his legitimacy.

I fear if there is split in allegiance West is, as it always does on political matters, going to erupt again.

In fact, I don't know now but, Nsukka was the only Uni at the time that offered dual degree in Physics and Astronomy.

When I applied to Nsukka to study astronomy they used quote system to reject my interest.

I already was very fluent in Yoruba and Hausa, could write and read both and was interested in completing my WAZOBIA identity with igbo by studying in East.

So I ended back in North - Zaria.

Your people discriminated against me and robbed me of the chance to learn igbo.

I should report this to human rights grp to look into your discriminative practices against teenagers.

Most people in Lagos speak Pidgin English and it is very cosmopolitan. The Igbos would not be the only people to complain, since every group can be found in Lagos.

Eze, as usual, you are engaging emotions.

In the case here in Imo, the Igbo governor is telling the rulers what and how he wants their communities to do.

The governor in Lagos, the rulers and their communities are Yoruba. The cosmopolitan population you describe is limited in coverage and population and of less consequence to the promotion of the indigenous culture, therefore enacting a Yoruba language in Lagos will be seen as proper.


ZnO,

There is difference between government assembly and public assembly.


The points I raised about Rocha and the implementations were tests to sample your ideological rsponses for reference

Lagos
Kano
Zaria
Ondo

The only place you will find Edo names are in the suburbs of the King's palace which, again, highligts the Bini footprint in Eko.

Idumota, Idushagbe, Idumagbo, Iduganran, Idutafa. These are all edo names. Matter of fact, the first 10 Kings of Lagos had Edo names and a few of them were taken back to Bini for burial.

The last of the Bini royals to be returned for burial at home was Prince Olojo, younger son of Kosoko. The older son was Meshimo. Both were given Edo names.

Does anyone know of a Lagosian who can trace his family roots in Lagos back to 500 years i.e. 1511AD


I can!



What a shame, raphel or someone said Lagos was owned by Edo and Eko was te name given to it.

Utter nonsense!

Lagos name was not Eko and no it was not an Edo name or land.

Lagos was Erekosi, an Awori term. It was shortened to Eko.

In Yorubaland, the people, not the Oba, own the land and the Royal Crown.

Edo owns the Lagos throne but the land and the Crown does not belong to them. The Aworis can, culturally, depose the Oba and eliminate the throne.

But Edo and Awori, as with Oyo, all together had for many centuries had an unbroken, uncontested alliance that increasingly got richer and better. Awori will never sack the throne, never ever!

Oba of Bini was invited by the Aworis to give protection to the land against the constant incursion by King of Dahomey who was hell bent on controlling all coastal lands.

Whydah and Allada, as well as Popo and some other lands were tributes and paid tax to the King in Abomey.

Oyo would occassionally, when season permits, send cavalry down to fight Dahomey.

The King will retreat his invasion Army but soon as Oyo army left he will bring back and torment the land.

Oyo did not want to station a frontier army to protect Lagos but was comfortable sending the resource when needed. The reason was because Oyo fught on horsebacks and the climate was unhealthy for a prolonged stay by the horses. So they would only come down when the season permitedn fight Dahomey and expell them from the land and rush out before the short dry season was over.

The Awori chiefs asked Oba of Bini to set up a throne as that would dissuade the ambitions of Abomey. Bini was the only other kingdom beside Oyo that Dahomey feared.

The King obliged and sent one of his sons - Esikpa. But Esikpa was only to act as the lord over the land (governor-general) and he had a frontier of infantry permanently settled in Agbadaigi, Allada and Whydah.

Esikpa was then called Eleko of Eko, not Oba.

He was successful in forming a treaty with Dahomey and the wars stopped. Oyo had also conquered Dahomey and it became a tributary to Oyo and paid tax to Alaafin.

When Esikpa died, Bini wanted to end the governorship role but Aworis insisted that they enjoyed the relationship and offered a Crown if Bini would stay.

Esikpa's son Addo was crowned and became the first Oba of Eko.

Dede,

Be careful with your entrenched search for a "one Nigeria". Your passion and energy for a neutral view is admirable but remember that this country is far easier to dismantle than it is to assemble and sustained.

Your fraternity on academic elitism with a couple of others who view the display of tribalism as an indicator of illiteracy and lack of knowlledge is not wrong but the "club house" mentality could cause you to lose reality on assessing and attributing priority to the most fundamental leaning in life - tribal identity!


You are igbo first, then Nigeria second!

Give praise where its due. Rocha need improvements in the ideas and how they are implemented, but praise his pioneering effort and acknowledge that someone in this age is thinking about the village and their relevance in the forefront of governance. He is giving power to the people!

Isn't that what democracy is about?

I get your points, I do not think there is  perfect policy so I believe as the weaknesses of the policy starts showing, corrections will be made. All the same I believe this guy is climbing fast on the popularity ladder with his governance


Oh yes, Blink. . . Very well said!

I couldn't have said it better myself. No system is complete, we must be tolerant of the gaps and innovate with process improvements that make true growth anD progress possible.

Those 3 points were just "jumpers" that troubled my thoughts.

He has a good start on the initiatives as it is.

Yes, to give it stature and humor.

But as you can see the Ndigbo is not polished in negotiating skills and responded awkwardly. Lmao!

Yes ZnO, you SE are indeed in charge!

The chair goes North in 2015 for a new "charge".

Make the most of this time.

If we can turn most of the SW into a suburb of Lagos, that would be a wonderful thing to speed development


Give relief to Lagos. Give the super metro role back to Ibadan.

It was at one time the super-cosmopolitan center in West Africa. It has the size, ideal location and infrastructures to support mega population swell.

<Quote> As regards 1, its tied only to the Obi at functions. Since the obi is not expected to travel out of his community I guess they should be just fine. </quote>

There is no limitation to the number of public functions or the broadness or category that Obi can participate in.

The Obi's community is relatively broad and consist of speakers of non-igbo.

I understand your interest in the particulars here but let me give a situational example to highlight what I'm saying.

Say the Emir of a state in North is giving address at a public function and in which the delivery is in Hausa. That does not encourage non-Hausa speakkers to attend. That does not glue the community together.


<Quote> As  for 3, there will not be an explosion because the governor has clearly stated paying the money guarantees nothing and N1m is no small money to throw away or gamble away </quote>

The Governor makes the rule but he does interprete and administer it. The process of the application and approval will be far more robust than he has announced.

There are applicants that the idea of an autonomous community holds such great appeal that they are willing to spend three times the cost just to bypass the red tape and get the certification. That autonomy equates political iDentity and has economic rewardS far worth more that 1M.

His community centerdness approach is good for consolidation of common interests but supporting autonomy at the grassroot, by contrast, tears those very common fabric apart.

Exactly!

Enyo is having a delirious moment. How else would you expect her intelligence given she is an executive at world bank. It says one thing: your imagination is narrow!

Like alj said: Ngozi is over rated!

This clearly weakens the spirit of PDP in SW and gives CAN a blanke advantage.

Is this good or bad for SW politics?

So the Chief of Yorubas or the Chief of Hausas in Imo state can hold public functions in a rented space in the city hall or even in the public sQuare and deliver the whole event in nothing but Yoruba or Hausa as the case maybe?

You say that promotes community goodwill?

Please make me understand 1 and 3 in ways different than I already outlined them.

Some years ago when Fashola introduced the idea of an indigenous state police force as a substitute to the inefficient NPF, a lot of you on NL were against it.

Powers should be concentrated back into the regions and their individual states. Fashola has championed that idea numerous times.

We must have vision to anticipate and act proactively, rather than waiting until events occur and then we jump up reactively to it.

Good ideas for re-empowering community at its roots.

Few issues to be clarified.

1. English, the Nation's official language, is prohibited in public functions. That's not goood!

2. Admission by the Governor that civil law is dysfunctional and ineffective in resolving conflicts and holding the community together.

3. Autonomous community. There is going to be an explosion of applicants for frivolous reasons.

Rocha wants to hold the community together, which is a good ideal, but some of the provisions are too liberal and counter-effective to these ideals.

Vince,

Odualand is richer than igboland. Igbos made lots of money in business and reinvested it in Odualand.

On comparison of wealth, entire igbo population has not made half the wealth that Ijebus made. Not mentioning Ijeshas or the Oros. These are all Yorubas. Wealth is not by word of mouth, its reflected by what's on the ground.

Go to their towns and compare the affluence with the abject povertY in igboland.

You are in Lagos thinking you have wealth, my children and grandchildren will benefit from the returns of your investment on my land.


<Quote>many igbos had to deny their igbo identity,or change their names to obtain what other nigerians easily obtained,boundary adjustment was done to rid the east central of any oil producing community </quote>

I see another name change, identity drop and border crossing in your near future. In the vision, the Biafran flag is upright facing towards Cameroon on the trail of an exodus.

What makes you igbo, eh Eze? Cos your name be Eze so you thinksay u be igbo.

You cross border from Cameroon come hia dey live claim igbo.

Guess what?

Both ACN and Fasola are for now local champions that need some maturation.


I will make sure our fellas in SW do not loose focus of your assessment.

Let us know when you feel the need to get our counter-Arewa support for 2015.

Its our opinion that your view of our noble son, Fashola, would have "matured" to see him as a "national" hero, independent of what Arewa thinks of him.

Lmao!

On a seriouS note, I would like to see an Edo, Itsekiri or Urhobo go for it in 2015