₦airaland Forum

Ikemba, how u been?

Kwenu Kozu!

Emmyah,

Thanks for that historical input. God Bless you!

@topic,

The value of the naira note denomination in Hausa language but written in Arabic.

For instance, N10 in Hausa is naira goma. So naira goma is written in Arabic.

Somebody is going to ask why. I say read emmyah's post the answer is in there.

Lol, chdyke kidnapping goes on but that's only "once in a month".

Hmm!

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Laalamed:
Nigeria will soon become somalia.kidnapping in east.ritual killing in west.boko haram in north.restless and destructive youths every where.

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Laala,

The ragamuffins that escaped boko and fled east are kidnapped on arrival and shipped west. If armed robbers in benin don't get them enroute, they make it west where they become parts.

Seanet,

Add to that 5500 the emigrants that left and are in other people land.

With such sparse residual population is it any wonder that per capita income in East is better than West?

N500 in East get you more for the money than it would in West.

Lol@grammar comment!

Kasiem is Dede's son and grandson to Patrick Obahiagbon.

Anyway, Ibos are at it again, whining and protesting the bashing of their suicidal hero.

Warning to Ibos:

Dont start what you have no endurance to bear through. Its hot in this furnace, if you can't take the heat bow down and take an exit!

Don't bash leaders of other ethnic grps and expect yours will be spared.

Stop complaining and whining, it reveals your weakness!

There was an improper beginning in 1960 and that impropriety has continued with us even today.

The statement attributed to Awo in the opening post is not at all inflammatory. It's a genuine assessment of what the facts were, and still are till this day. That statement should have been left in place as the OP originally intended. Nobody who knows Nigeria well will dispute the turthfulness and resolve in that statement.

On the other hand, Bello's statement was inflammatory and it should also have been left in place. In truth Bello had a lot more to say than the fraction that was quoted.

Overall, the transition to independence was handled far more maturely and in a more orderly manner by the founding fathers than would have been the case if it was left to our generation to do. So let's get that straight and praise their collective efforts and competencies. They were not perfect but they had a better discipline and understanding than we have of political and social orderliness.

I have an opinion that the founding fathers were gripped by a fear of the unknown; unsure what the net outcome would be for their individual region.

When Britain was in charge, there was some level of insulation that shielded each region from the other, interaction was minimal and conducted through the Governor General as the central/middle man. This arrangement allowed the whiteman an awareness of what the regions were doing individually and collectively.

At independence, that wall of insulation should have come down and interaction become more direct. If it did not, and power ended in wrong hands then there was reason to be afraid.

The exit of the whiteman from government would remove certain securities. The congregation of diverse tongues and cultures, some major, some minor, into an unwilling and non-consented alliance out of which was expected a political equilibrium, was not in harmony with the inherent African political order of "the strong conquer the weak"!

We needed safeguards and deterrents against wanton abuse of the powerless by the powerful.

If we all agree in this summary, then we should accept that the fears expressed by Awo and Bello were legitimate. For that reason they should not be censored.

At this level in our discussion there should be objectivity, sentiments ought to be shelved for now, we should attend to this matter with plenty of wisdom and not be in a rush to score points. Let us also be mindful of the need to communicate effectively. This is not about impression, the goal here is to troubleshoot, diagnose and prescribe.


I started by saying that we had an improper beginning in 1960. As many times as we have discussed the issue of nationhood here in Nairaland, the primary disagreement between our regions have not changed, viz, there is imbalance of power and it results in abuses which regenerates into reprisals, and which is then followed by an attempt to right a wrong or restore balance. We have succeeded many times in abuse of others and reprisals on assaults but we have not succeeded in formulating a blueprint for balanced power sharing and thus we continue to live in misery.

In the initial distribution of power for the takeoff of the new sovereignty the Western region was most impacted with imbalance of power, the Eastern region was most rewarded, with North falling in-between. Here is the template England left for us in 1960.

THE EAST:
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1. Top strength - Statutory and military power.

2. Shared strength - Academic power (with West).

3. Weakness - Social development and welfare programs.


THE NORTH:
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1. Top strength - Political power.

2. Shared strength - Military power (with East).

3. Weakness - Academic power.


THE WEST:
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1. Top strength - Social development and welfare programs

2. Shared strenght - Political power (with North).

3. Weakness - Military power.



What do we have today? Pretty much the same issue we've had since 1960 - imbalance of power and the distribution of access. The ROOT of our problem is not who produced what resource or what faith we practiced or who is President and who is the military chief, our problem rests on the inequity of power and access sharing.


At this point I will delve into the social contract topic and give my views on the issues itemized by OP.


(a) what the citizen owes the state.
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The citizens are organized as a unit for
social order and interaction. They owe the state the following obligations:

1. Duties which if left unaddressed, unattended and unfulfilled will weaken the integrity and sovereignty of the state.

2. Duties which support preservation of life, properties and heritage of the state.


(b) what the state owes the citizen
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The state is a creation of the citizen or people and it is the custodian of power delegated to it by the people to act as a common-front or a kernel of authorized consent to carry out, on its behalf, duties of the social order for both domestic and international relations.

It has a duty of the following kind:

1. A guarantee of equitable interest granted, in line with defined limits associated to citizenship rights but accorded and derived directly by nationality.

2. Entering into and conducting treaties, agreements and alliances which promote wellbeing, growth and preservation of the society, either internally or with foreign partners.

3. A demand for patriotic and civic responsibilitires from the citizen and national.


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Only after the above have been acheived, should we begin to create a contract between ethnicity and state

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I forgot who wrote the above quoted remarks but I chuckled when I saw it.

I will hold off on my view until we are in that phase.

Mustapha is staking a prize hoping somepeople will jump out and negotiate the seal of lips or suppression of testimony in exchange for his release and safety.

Nobody came out and took the bite on the tape he released last week.

So now he is talking of 12 bags of tapes.

I didn't know there is a town in Nigeria named "toto". Nah wa for the people wey live for this town.

Where are you from? "Toto"!

May their souls rest in peace!

Citizens need to be evacuated away from Nigeria into the London riots!

Lmao!

What's next, a Nairaland President and Governors?

Anyway, let me know when you need lobbyists. In fact, I appoint myself one against such future consideration.

May his soul rest in peace.

Great views and responses!

@Beaf, nice idea and your generosity to ndu_chucks request is acknowledged but I suppose at this level of discussion and seriousness the concerns he raised, though legitimate, had the modifications not happened would in itself have correctly served as a bill board for how we got here and provide a peep into the grievances, as well feedback for generating appropriate options that tie-in with the topic.

I will post my ideas later and you know already where I stand.

Cheers:-)

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“In particular, the financiers and investors would like to see a tighter approach to macroeconomic management including a better budgetary process, improvements in the investment climate, and greater transparency and rule of law in the country.”

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Listen to ragamuffins that prodigally wasted and violated each and every item of these same values they are demanding of us.

Rassclat!

Uche,

Why is there a debate over this, that is a given!

The CBN governor did not appoint himself. He has a boss and his boss is the President.

I have many times questioned, on the islamic banking issue, why SLS is the culprit and not his boss. Gej may not have been the president that appointed him but he reports to Gej.

@OP,

By all means, right or wrong, we ought to first come to defence of the Deltans against Shell.

Defense the people first, ask questions later.

In defense of the affected communities, why can't we adopt a similar attitude to this situation that the gulf states took in their respond to BP arrogance to the oil spill?

Pay the people first, ask questions later!

Indigenes and land owners will always have first priority interest. The land is sold does not mean their interest is ceased.

Land is man and man is land. From land we came and to it is our return.

When a land deed or agreement is violated its like the spirit of the people is violated.

So the land was sold but their spirit on the land is not sold, so Shell need to be sensitive to their issues.

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"Aigbo ile wo ni baba re ti wa" will be the first question.

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aaahh, ile Dim ni!

Lmao, T9, you are a funny persin.

T9,

No need for civil war for something as simple as voting No.
I know Hausa will never go for it. They are not interested in another man land and though accomodate, they despise arrogant guests.

Its Yoruba we need to watch for. There are Yorubas willing to prostrate to a cow just so they have some beef on their dinner table.

Before sweeping arrogant guests out of the region, we need first to sweep our house clean.

Any Yoruba member in the NASS that vote in favvor of the bill need to become a lesson for history.

Ibos are scared to see blood, their spirit can't handle it, they run.

Where are the anti-tribal advocates?

This type of comment is what they should be fighting to eradicate, not people with pride in their culture.

I would like to have a list of Yoruba members that vote in favor of ths law. They will be the first in line of fire.

Oro die l'anso f'omoluabi, to ba de nu ad'odindi.

NO!

Thinking is too much trouble! They are expected to graduate school and get a good job, not apply knowledge.

Sambo has not yet proven worthy.

Deep,

'Need to start addressing Bluetooth with his full title.
Ikemba Bluetooth.

Bluetooth,
Ibos say you can become next "Dim Ikemba Bluetooth". Lol!

Beaf,

Your brother is touching up the constitution and changing things that ordinarily ought to be addressed by law. What stops a core Northerner from following the precedence set by Gej and making Islamic banking a national institution?

Allah forbids usury does not mean he approves or mandates Islamic banking.

This is just lack of thorough knowledge and depth of understanding in the precise command in the Shariah.

Deep sight,

US have their rules and Nigeria has its rules.

They have sameserx marriage in US, should we have that in Nigeria as well?

Children kill one another and their parents in US should we allow that in Nigeria.

You have intelligence but I can't say you have knowledge.

America belonged to the Indians but they are not the mainstream. The mainstream is white.

Who does Nigeria belong to? Can you please answer that for me.