₦airaland Forum

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Are you aware that there are Nigerians occupying political positions in the United States and Britain.

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We don't care whose money was used. You need to go sue British for making Lagos the capital and then you sue Azikiwe for not removing it to somewherelse after Independence

That's not Lagosians problem that you left the capital here. You had the choice to relocate it and you did not.

So that's your loss! Tell Gej to move capital from Abuja to SE. You have the oportunity now while your man us the president. What r you waiting for?

It has a valid link to a published website but its a lie.

Take note all of you that believe anything put on here with a link and source.

Link and source is not enough. Get an independent verification.

Bad ides! Bad idea!! Bad idea!!!

Is the constitution also going to stipulate the limitations?

Given an example of a Ijaw becoming governor in Anambra state. What stops the governor from creating policies that impact employment and land ownership rights in favor of Ijaws in Anambra state?

If the constitution doesn't address that then this idea will create grounds for more corruption. If the constitution addresses that then that's too intrusive and its not the purpose of a constitution.

So I know everyone is at moment saying its a good idea but you will all look bak five years from now and start cursing Gej.

Pause for a moment and get away from your land grab mentality.

Let's think deep about the impacts, what's dos and what's donts and how it will be addressed.

You know you can't get Lagos but we can get any part of your land we want, if we put our minds to it. The problem is there's nothing over there worth getting.

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ezeagu:
All this talk would be relevant if North and South Western Nigeria had better living standards than the South East, unfortunately belief in a paramount progenitor does little more than empower the elites.

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North and West do have better standards and opportunities, your population in these regions attest to that.

The progenitor is the standard bearer for the character and the bearing of the child.

Blind a child to that knowleddge and he becomes a wandered lost in the wilderness of human race. Never able to get his bearings right.

Hausas want the oil and the Eastern seaport.

The bill will not pass though.

Those in whose eyez and soul is the spirit of covetousness will find joy and celebration with this news.

If they did there will not be deniers backing away from the idenitity.

A home is a place of love and joy and no child should ever deny a loving home. When a child distances itself from the parent there is root problem in the home.
I don't see any northerner turning its back on their land or Westerner denying its root.

I am not comfortable expressing the equation for SE.

A progenitor falling from a mythical sky is a more tenable origin than those who don't even have a clue who their progenitor is and depending on where the wind blows, their root is blown fron one corner of the panet to the other.

I'd rather have a foster parent than not know of any parent and miss out on a loving upbringing and tender care.

They plan to Doesn't mean it will be agreed on and made into law. I doubt it will pass.

Soul,

Type "opencourseware" in google and take it from there. If you need further assist let us know.

Okey,

Where did u see fear? Show me.

Eze,

I guess so 'cos your historian, Andre is yet to come up with response.

Andre,

Please name the wars you fought with the British and the years.

Can this be independently verified?

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nor are you entirely correct that somehow land ownership rights in Yorubaland are different from what they are in other parts of the country

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I did not specify on other parts of Nigeria. I made reference to America and or Europe.


The land act that is empowered to the state is actually an indirect endorsement. At the state level, for instance in Lagos, the govt cannot just give you land. The state did not own land, families own land. Each native family of lagos has a ward and head whereby such matters are negotiated with the state.

Say for instance you want to buy land in Isolo. Yes, the state govt is issuing the formal papers but a family in Isolo is transferring the land property.

The paper bureaucracy is a front end middle-man role for the physical land transfer. The purchaser may or may not deal directly with the actual land owner.

That front end formality in itself is the tax aggregation.

Eziachi and the rest,

You all stop bothering that girl about what she does with her time and answer her questions.

What she does with time is her business and what you do with yours is your busines. Answer her questions then she can go spend time on something else.

Chyz,

You are a fraud! I don't debate with your likes, changing who you are from one argument to another and moving goal posts to score undeserved points.

Ibo/Igbo or whatever else you want to call yourself, is distinct from Edo.

So to identify yourself as Edo after claiming you are Ibo/Igbo indicate you are taking cheap shots to make assertions that are untruthful.

By identifying as Edo you were attempting to assert authority on a falsehood. Your argument is discredited. You are discredited. You are a shame to Ibos for not standing ground proudly on your identity and who you are. Are you ashamed to be Ibo?

Sorry, I need men who are proud to defend their identity, not small boys parading under numerous identities.

Andre,

It is increasingly difficult to keep your jealous emotion out of it.

First you stated Bini influenced Ibo culture "and Yoruba too".

Then you went into Edo vs Yoruba language.

You followed that up with Bini conquered Lagos and some other Yoruba towns.

Now you are saying Egba and Ijebu are not Yorubas.

What are you going to conjecture next, Oduduwa was not the father of Oranmiyan ?


Man, you have bared your behind in the harmattan wind.

Let me know when you are ready to defend Ibo. I see you defending Yoruba which you are not qualified to do. Because of your lack of qualificatuion and gap of knowledge you are oscillating all over Yorubaland looking for straws to grasp onto for your ridiculous nonsense.

Come back when you get qualification on yoruba issues or outside of that, when you are ready to defend Ibo tribe against my Imperial race.

Zulu was a warrior race and an imperial power.

Ashanti was a warrior race and an imperial power.

Yoruba was a warrior race and an imperial power.

Ibo is . . . . ?

Where is the ground for comparison? You don't belong in this discussion and the OP should modify it, correctly so.

Chyz and Andre,

You both lost your arguments and resorted to snickering and insults to cover your weak counterpoints.


First to you Andre,

I say Edo is in the Yorubarace. Give me concise argument beside emotional outburst why it is not.


Chyz, line up behind Andre. I will call your turn when I'm done with him. Meanwhile, do yourself a favor and go back and read posts where you inferred that you were Ibo. The point you made about being Edo is an attempt, as is usual for Ibos to do, take on multi-dimensional identity and defraud opponent. So either put a disclaimer that you are not Ibo, as you have previously claimed to be or correct the error you just made in calling yourself Edo.

Edo_girl,

You are looking at it from a foreign understanding. First, accept that land use act and statutes in African concept is different from a Amerian r European concept.

I will address specifically what I know too be true in Yorubaland.

Traditionally, land in Yorubaland has always belonged to the landowners - family holds; natives! The Kings were not land owners, similarly under this borrowed system of governorship, land still belong to families, not government.

However, when buying and developing a land government collects an upfront tax in form of fees, levies, licence, deeds, and so on.

The property tax you mentioned is a recurrent fee by a home owner to the county government. This kind of fee is unecessary in Yorubaland by virtue of land ownership which I described already.

Now, having said that, your idea will be a good means of generating revenue for the government but it should be narrowed and limited only to commercial land acquisition - like factory, farmland, multi-occupant rental property (office space or flat rentals) and so on.

In that case it will also be a good point for deriving a more accurate tabulation for GDP.

I am not sure though that the govt is not already taxing commercial use properties.

I've discussed the topic with people far knolwedgable than you on Ibo culture and they all agree you don't have any one hereditary.

Yorubas have Oduduwa. Hausas have Bayajjida. Ibos have none! The Nri you all claim is a subordinate to Aro confederacy, which itsel no one knows where its roots lie. Is it indigenus or settler, no one can tell.


Everything point to a bunch of different peoples forced away from their roots and conglomerated under a language.

Go down African history and study how great peoples acrrue power. If colonization had not happened you would by now be a tributary of Bini empire. Whiteman saved you from an inevitable wipeout.

A race is different from a tribe.

Your people are united under one language, hence you are not a race but rather a patch up, a mix and match of different peoples congregated under a common language -Ibo.


We Yorubas are not a tribe. We are different dialects of same language congregated under a hereditary - a race!

Please modify your topic. Take Ibo out of that comparison. That's an insult to greatness!!

Chyz,

I just posted in another thread but I don't mind posting here as well.

Its hard for an Ibo person to understand how Yoruba race is constituted. In fact, its hard for you to understand what race is. I will enumerate it in a way that you can comprehend.

Take Europe as a sample. You have germany, english, french, spanish, different dialects of one tongue. Each dialect equally has its own land - Deutchland, England, France and Spain respectively.

Are they not one race, Aryan? Habe they not fought one another? Do they always agree? But yet they stand and unite under one race!

Do you dispute this knowledge?

Now look at Yoruba. You have Awori, Itsekiri, Edo, Ijebu, Ijesha, Egba, Oyo, Ekiti, Offa, Igbirra, Ugbodu, etc. Each with its distinct dialect but united under the Yoruba race.

Yes we have fought and disputed but we are a superior race that understand a clear difference race and tribe. We are organized socially under one hereditary, from bottom to top. What is even more unique, each land is independently ruled but we all congregate as a commonwealth of the Yoruba race and under the flag of Oduduwa.


It is different in Iboland. You all are tied together by language. This is so because you are a conquered tribe. You have different cultures and nativities that do not answer to a central flag or stool of office.

You are very similar to the South Americans and the North Americans, where diverse hereditaries - indians, mexicans, puerto ricans, incas, all speak one language spanish.

Look at Nigeria, we have different backgrounds but speak one language - english, because we were a conquered nation.

Civilized and strong cultures are independently arranged under one hereditary with diverse tongues and autonomous powers.

So you need to stop comparing your conquered history to an Imperial Yoruba history.

When Oduduwa arrived here he dominated the power on the land.

When your Nri got here, he was dominated by the power already on the land.

Very stark difference! Don't be deceived by the colonial oyibo that deceptively upgraded you to majority status. You are a new and conferred majority in the history of Africa. All true majorities in the African history fought and won their way up to the status.

How many people did you fight and won to become a majority? I know you will say market women riot of Aba. Please, please, don't make a caricature of an already comical history.

If you study your history well you should know that the domination of Nri is the reason why the Aro Ibos look down on Nri Ibos as subordinates.

There is nowehere else in the history greatness in Africa where a migrating ruler was subordinated by an existing ruler of the land, Iboland is the only exceptiion.
So stop letting that majority label get you carried away into thinking you are equal with Yoruba or Edo.

I don't blame you, instead of Omo N'Oba disputing encroachment from his East, he was challenging an undisputable fact of Ife's authority. That's why now its easy for Ibos to insult the Bini stool and even to the point you are snatching land from them.

Chyz, boy, don't provoke my tongue and let me loose, lol, ill tell yur history in ways you don't want it told.

Like the Aniomans who speak Yoruba dialect, like the Ijebus, the Ijeshas, Ilorins, Aworis, Itskeiris, the Edos speak Yoruba dialects.

Unlike Iboland which is knoted in linguistics, Yorubaland and Yoruba race is knoted in hereditary.

So I understand your diifuclty at understanding the union. There are Oyo people that don't speak Ijebu or Ijesha but they are all still in the Yoruba race and speak one or the other of the numerous dialects.

We have rich and diverse tongues tied under one race. European is an European whether English, French or german but the three languages and also Spanish are dialects, one of the other. You understand it now?

The Ibo language on the other hand is comparable to the Americas, where regardless of the cultural nativity, which are diverse, everyone speak one language of the colonial race -Portuguese/Spanish in South America and Mexico and Puerto Rico and English in North America and few islands.

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Badass, the Bini empire extended into Igboland as well as Yorubaland. The Aristocracy in some parts of Yorubaland and Igboland was instituted as a result of Bini presence in those areas. E.G Lagos in Yorubaland and Agbor in Igboland.

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Andrew "the slowpoke",

Yoruba and Bini are one race of people. The Lagos royalty is a mixed blood of Bini and Ijesha. Both Yoruba domains and those Kings cannot equate to conquerors of their own domain land.

Agbor on the other hand is not Yoruba domain, so a Bini rulership is indeed that of a conqueror.