₦airaland Forum

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Come to think of it, some of you Folks from the west have said in unclear terms you want Ibo's to go back to the East, why did you  not do us a favor and let us go in 1967 instead of partaking in the Genocide of over 2 million civilians.

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Deekay,

You held yourself from leaving. You hurt your own goal of Biafra when you got greedy and wanted Lagos, West and MidWest.

If you had just left as Biafra with your integral Ibolands you would have succeeded and be a sovereign since.

Lessons learnt: next time you declare Biafra take East and don't march on anyone else's land and you will be fine.

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Weather they like it or not the IGBOs are still the only set of people with courage and determination, and that determination will take us to the promise land despite all the marginalization,we are still live and contributing to the nigeria GDP, they so fear to loose lagos bcause they know without lagos the yoruba world cannot survive. of which it is still the igbos that is keeping Lagos economy alive, Dont let them live your so dear Lagos because Lagos will b a ghost town, dont worry very soon we will have a sea port at onistha with stable power supply in the east, the i will see how Lagos will live,      LONG LIVE ODIMEAGWU OJUKWU LONG LIVE BIAFRA LONG LIVE THE IGBO(the most successful race in the world ie the black jews)

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Manchy,

You call suicide an act of courage and determination. Lol! Ojukwu pulled a blindfold over your face leading you to death but preaching courage and determination.

On Lagos economy, the first set of Ibo people in Lagos was the generation of Ojukwu father and Zik. What brought them to Lagos was the pre-existing elite class society which the East lacked.

Why was Zik born in Zaria? Do you know any Hausa leader that was born in East? Do yiou know any Yoruba leader that was born in East? But there are several Ibo leaders born in Yorubaland or Hausaland. What does that tell you? East was dead and is still dead! You all aint going anywhere, you will never leave Lagos, we need you there as a working class migrants. We can't use the almajiris they are on welfare but we can use you to generate revenue for the state.

On the Jew ancestry, I can't argue with that and I'm glad you confirmed that you are of Jew race. Tell your fellow Ibos where you are descended from.

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Well done. How I wish negro has changed for good. The old imbecilic NegroNTS would have spelt Ibo deliberately just to spite people.

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Na who wrote this nonsense, Odemchi is this you wrote this yeye stateMent?

You rassklat! What kind of wish is that hoping Negro is good? I've always been good, you monkey!

We don't want to hear from him anymore. He should sit there in his hspital room and reminisce about what difference he could have made by listening to the voice of wisdom that told him to slow down and accept what he was given and use it, through negotiations, to secure more

Lol@Ojukwu, he said he's not ready to die. Like that's news!


In all the times that he led others to their death when has he ever welcomed his own death?

Good question.

Its the market, the language has grown and spread politically for several reasons but it should serve as a model and a moral lesson for those who continue to shun their mother tongue in preference for European languages.

Hausas don't gratify English or any European language. Even the ones that are literate and educated hardly speak Eanglish amongst themselves. This has earned them respect.

The only way you will earn whiteman respect is to first respect and be proud in your own identity.

Good for Hausa language! If they continue they could win a political argument to make Hausa the national language for Nigeria.

I must be doing a good job, seeing that tpia has not asked me any question.

Back on where I left off.

It is no accident at all that Yorubas use the term "omoluabi" for acts of "righteousness" or "uprightness". Noah was the father of "uprights", so to speak! Noah was given several numbers in repetitions and patterns. These numbers have hidden messages and secret codes. He was inspired to build an ark and the dimensions that were given for the structure were also encoded for certain mystical powers as well. The hidden messages would serve as the code of living for the new order of righteousness or Ifa.

Thus the incidence where Noah had cursed his child for seeing his unclothedness was an occassion in which Ham had walked into his father's tent and saw some of these secrets which he then took with him and showed to Shem and Japhet. The two did not want anthing to do with these unathourized, unblessed mystical powers and so returned what Ham handed to them. Ham did not return his, he kept it.

The first world power after the new world order started was Hamitic people or Egyptians.

The first superior intelligence was also a grandchild of Ham, Nimrod. The children of Kush, bloodline of Ham, equally ended up very powerful. Likewise another bloodline of Ham, Canaan and the father of Canaanites.

So the descendants of the one who dispossessed Noah of the secrets of living were all without exception ended up very powerful on the land.

Noah's other two children, Shem and Japheth, who did not keep any of these mystical powers ended up without any real power.

The curse placed on the Canaan line later in time came alive and consumed the Canaanites.


I will pause for questions.

Anambra igbo kwenu! Imo igbo kwenu!! Umuahia igbo kwenu!! Alaigbo kwenu!!! Dim gburugburu kwenu!!!!

Ouch, what a sharp-tongued response!

So what's up with "oil rig at Marina" topic? You don't think that's pre-emptive?

Okotie will not be the only one praising IBB. It is pathetic that Okotie as the leader of a flock that numbers in the high thousands will say such about a established thief.

Like I always say, we deserve the leaders we get.

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How did Ifa originate?

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As I previously stated, "Ifa" is a shortened term and either there was a prefix or a postfix adjoined to it. In a discussion last year on a similar topic in the Religion section (or might have been the Cultural) I shared some insights on the genesis of Ifa. I will recount here in a summary. My knowledge of the Odus is little to nothing but I understand the skeletal framework that upholds Ifa.


First, what does Ifa mean?  

To understand its meaning we should know its identity. My belief is that "Hanif" is the full term. From that term is derived "Hanifa". Hanif itself means "The Upright" or "The Righteous". This is the identity of Ifa. Each and every verse of Ifa teaches "uprightness" or "righteousness".

Hanif is an Arabic term. Wait a minute! Do not start associating Arabic with Islam in this context. I know majority of us are programmed to conclude anything Arabic as Islam.

One should wonder why a faith at the beginning of mankind should be known in a language that came much later. If Abraham practiced Ifa then we should have a corresponding term in Aramaic for Ifa.

The answer is Yes there was a corresponding term for Ifa in the semitic tongues of Afro Asia but with the sweeping effect, first, of Judaism, followed by Christianity, the practitioners went underground. When Islam came they re-emerged. It will be hard to comprehend that Islam accomodated the Hanifs and gave them sanctuary but campaigned against and even wiped out pagans and idol worshippers. This is because Hanifs did not worship idols and were not pagans, they practiced the faith of Abraham. So it is said that Abraham was himself a Hanif - a "Righteous" man.

So when did Ifa start and where did it come from?

"Righteousness" started at the beginning of creation and was an injunction to man from God giving Adam the first law - "of the trees of the garden you may eat, except two". Mankind had totally departed from "Righteousness"  in the time of Noah. The flood was thus a cleansing ritual to reborn man, but with the cleanliness God also inspired a new world order for mankind. Thus he gave to Noah a number of hidden secrets and messages for creating that new world order. This new order of Hanif or "Righteousness" came with recitals and corpus and number counts. This is the new beginning of a new Hanif and this where the Ifa corpus and verses came from.




I will stop here momentarily for questions.



It is not by accident that

Chyz,

Until you meet my challenge to you, Edo is Yoruba.

The only way you can prove otherwise is to bring an Edo person of deep knowledge of his culture to come and erect a virtual foundation of his ancestry here.

Everyone is waiting I'm sure to witness the face off.

So shut up and walk the talk. All that "gbosa" you are doing will not resolve the distortions.

We want an A to Z reconstruction.

I am ready whenever your expert is.

Nobody is claiming Edo. I'm removing distortions from the stoiry

@op

Why do you call it an oil rig before you found out what it is?

I'm suspecting some pastors in the East who fund armed robbery lobbied the govt to make this a law.

This law need to be contained in that area.

Did you just repeat the same error you made couple of nights ago? You are dropping your Ibo identity and alling yourself Edo.

Teach us the history of Edo. Tell us the beginnings of Edo.

I see, I have taught you well. Good job!!

When you see an Edo man that says they are not Yoruba tell him Negro says the opposite and he should come talk to me and teach me what I don't know.

Lol!

If you couldn't give a sh+yt about Yoruba so then why is it causing you to hit your head on the wall?

Yoruba gave birth to Bini which gave birth to Lagos and which was on the verge of extinctuion but was sustained by the seed of Ijesha.

So Yoruba and Edo are one, beginning in Ife and ending in Lagos.

What's your pain? Lmao!

You said my claim that "early Bini kings were buried in Ife" was a lie.

So I'm asking you that if that was a lie, how would you classify the claim that "early Lagos kings were buried in Bini"?

I say you go bring the challengers to my claim that Edo is Yoruba and then you can take a spectator sit and learn while me and the Edo representatives explore the archives.

Boy, get your pen and paper and take notes from Negro.

Lmao!

Chyz, was that your head hitting the wall? Please don't hurt yourself, this is nothing more that knowledge sharing.

Oh, you know what I forgot, to add that the draft of a book submitted by Bishop Crowther to the CMS for their help with its publication was reported lost by Oyiboman. In that book, the Bishop had outlined in specifics and connected the Yoruba people to their roots in Afro Asia.

One has to wonder why he was interested in such endeavor. For someone who was sold into slavery and but for the Grace of God would have remained permanently disconnected and lost from his people and culture and heritage, it was a personal challenge to see how far back in history he can actually go to the root of the culture he knew as Yoruba.

In the 1800s, English language has not been rooted as our tongue.

Lmao@chyz. You are funny! You lack the depth and endurance to spar with me on the Yoruba/Edo controversy. I suggest you go bring a true Edo man who has a deep knowlledge of his history to face me on this debate.

I did not spend 12yrs researching my roots for nothing.

Pukkah,

You are correct and I will follow that advice. If I have to stray I will be sure that I hook the diverting branch into the topic.

Edo is Yoruba.

You are Ibo, your sense and knowledge of heritage is pegged to language usage, which is a commonality across broad cultural backgrounds. The people you call Ibo today are those whose ancetral language were at one time Yoruba, Ibibo, Ijaw, Idoma and so on. Their unification under the Ibo grouping was cosmopolitan and not indigenous. For that reason your tribe is a little of everybody else's heritage. You are a contribution or a complement, in you everyone see a drop of their customs and heritage.

Yorubas use of language on the other hand is spiritual and has not departed from its roots which is old Hebrew, the language in which the Old Testament (Torah) was written. Matter of fact, the New Testament (Gospel) was also written in it.

When in 1850 Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated the English Bible to Yoruba, he contemplated using the "Ajami" (a literary style of writing shared among Semitic tongues but popularized in Islam) for the Yoruba version.

Yoruba language has stood on its own and survived through the ages, where other tongues have perished and lost to the times.

Ifa survived in Americas because its oral tradition was communicated in Yoruba language. If it had been in Engish it would have perished with the vagaries of slavery.

The language we call Yoruba is truly Old Hebrew. The ancestor of the Edos (Edomites) was the older brother of Jacob (later called Israel and the ancestor of the Children of Israel). They also spoke old Hebrew.

Through this analogy hopefully you will understand that language usage in Yorubaland is different from language usage in Iboland and when I say Yoruba and Edo are the same, their spirituality is tied together in customs, heritage and history, both are of old Hebrew.

On the burial of Bini kings in Ife, is it also a lie that early Lagos kings are buried in Bini?

You have to go by three fators.

1. Language
2. Customs and rituals
3. In accordance with customs, early Bini Kings were buried in Ife.