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@babs787, i ve met many foolish n dumb people but not one lyk u!!!
@Shahan, u must b realy patient!!!! just how do u stand his stupid n useless questions!?!??!?!?!?!

Pain:
Now here is the reason for so much attack on Christianity:

Christianity is Light. Light Exposes Darkness.

U gat it just right!!!!

seriously babs787, u pretend 2 know more than u do, u r soo lost that all u do is ask questions upon questions!!!
Do u mind stop speaking about d Bible n Christians cuz 4rom ur posts n arguments wid Shahan I can c that u really don't understand nothing of d Bible nor Christians!!!

4get_me:
@shahan,

You might as well wait forever, or console yourself with the excuses that will follow your repeated request for answers to those questions. The reason is simple: Muslims are averse to investigating anything in Islam.

Of course that's right!! Muslims, i don't know wat 2 say about them!! they r just some bunch of blind folded people, being lead away 4rom d truth!!!

goodguy:
speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today. They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up. But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, simply means speaking in other languages. Full Stop! There's absolutely nothing more to it.

goodguy:
Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today. They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up. But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, simply means speaking in other languages. Full Stop! There's absolutely nothing more to it.

Seriously agree!!! people just seem 2 want 2 create more meaning 2 d whole speaking in toungue stuff!! leaving the teachings of d Bible compeletely out!!

goodguy:
So now, what does Paul say about interpretation or no interpretation? Different verses (1 Cor 14:5,6,13) show that Paul really advocates interpretation of tongues in the church for the edification of the church, though he's not against speaking in tongues (outside the church/gathering) without it. In vs 12, we'll see his reason for advocating it; which is, spiritual gifts are meant to build up (edify) the church. Come to think of it, what's the essence of having a spiritual gift if it's only going to be for your own edification? That is why he also says that even if you can't interprete, pray that you should interprete, so that the church may be edified. But if there will be no interpreter/interpretation, simply STFU!

No wonder he says in vs 5 that he prefers prophecies to speaking in tongues (in the absence of interpreter/intepretation).

Let's reason together here. What really is the essence of speaking in tongues if the unbeliever will only end up more confused and more unconvinced? Yes, that's what actually happens - they'll believe you're really out of your mind (vs 23), for what good will the speaking of tongues be to them, unless some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction is brought to them (vs 6)?

Exactly!!!!!

It was stated out plain n clear in D Bible!!! if u speak in toungues n there b no interpritter, well then just simply STFU!!!! paul also states it that if u speak in an unknown toungue, it should b by most 2 or 3 words, n still u should interpret!!!! SIMPLE RULE!!! wats soo hard 2 understand there

goodguy:
However, my own understanding of the Holy Scripture on this issue of speaking in tongues stems from 1 Corinthians chapter 14.

1. Speaking in tongues is meant to serve as a sign to the unbelievers --> 1 Cor 14:22

Let's go back to Acts Chapter 2. There, we'll see that the speaking of other tongues by the apostles led to the conversion of about 3000 people that very day. Apparently, the speaking of the tongues served as a sign to the unbelievers that got converted.

In today's churches, how many people get converted by the Pastor's/members' speaking of tongues?

2. Speaking in tongues is meant for the edification of the church, and not for some spirituality show-off. And that's why Paul said this in 1 Cor 14:19: "But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue."

So what really is speaking in tongues all about? In Acts 2: 4 - 12, we were made to understand that those that spoke in tongues, spoke in other languages that other people could hear and understand.

Good reasoning, just one of my poing as well!!!

@ buluti, how is speaking in toungues manifested in ma own Church, n do I speak in toungues, u ask
well first of all no i don't go deciving or letting some pastor decive me that i speak in toungues!!! nah, absolutely not!!! n u c tha'ts why i have more tym to observe all of u who claim 2 speak in toungues, n come down to d simple fact that u r all "DOIDA"!!!!

wat do u care about how speaking in toungues is manifested in my own Church or if i speak in toungues or not 4 if I or my Church spoke in toungues, 4rom all I ve written here, u sould by now know how it would be manifested!!
in my Church we don't speak in Toungues bcuz we all belive!! 4 we were simply instructed in d Bible that when we come together n we all belive that there is noo need 4 us 2 start speaking in toungues, 4 toungues is but a sign, not 2 him that belive but 2 him that belive not, but prophecy serveth, not 4 him that belive but 4 him that belive!!!
In my church we Prophecys, compreendeste agora

abdkabir:
[center]Na u Sabi, u guys never no go gri [/center]
[center]I rest my Case[/center]

@abdkabir, eventhou u r a Muslim, i can c that u don't support the violence part ur seem a cool G,
but hey don't blame us 4 saying Muslims r bad! it's just d image ur fellow muslims postray 2 us, that's wat we r judging 4rom!!
but u cool,

Katigurl:
Speaking in toungues, lies!!! i don't believe nuthing of it! big lies!
do u guys even know what speaking in toungues is
fakers! liers!!

at leats some one uses her brain here!!

@buluti, u said i still havent't answerd ur question, but it just seems 2 me that u haven't been reading nor understanding any thing i ve been writing ( bcuz if u have then by now u would know how 2 tell a fake speaking in toungues apart 4rom a real one!!). well i will explain againn!!

I'm judging u guys that claim 2 speak in toungues 4rom wat i have seen of u!! i don't care if u speak in toungues in ur closet or in ur bathroom or just where ever!! if u guys n ur Church claim 2 really speak in toungues, n if u claim that it is realy of God, then y don't u do it according 2 d principles of d Holy bible?!?!?!?!

2 ur question: I say it is fake bcuz lyk i said above u claim 2 speak in toungues n also that it is from God, but yet u don't do it according 2 d principles n teachins of d Bible! , 4 Paul in d Bible has showed u n pointed out 2 u clearly some things which u r JUST not 2 do if u speak in toungues, n if u claim 2 speak in toungues n that it is 4rom God, u will obviously respect n go by this principles!! but if not,,,,,,,,,,,,well then ur so called " Speaking in toungues is not of God"!!!! = it's fake!

well u mentioned that it is not when u r in Church that u realy speak in toungues right?? but yet u do speak in toungues( d fake one of course) while in d Church don't u!??!?!? n d ones i ve seen was quite more than five min!!
i go back 2 my point again, which is if u guys claim 2 speak in toungues, y don't u do it according 2 how d Bibles teaches u to ?
( i direct my statements mostly 2 ur Churches, bcuz d ones i ve seen r in d Churches)
4 d bible stated out CLEARLY 2 u n ur Church telling u that if ye come 2gether n ye all belive, then there is no need 4 u 2 speak in toungues!!
( which annoys me bcuz ye all claim 2 belive, n 2 also speak in toungues, but u never do, practicly nuthing according 2 d teachings of d Bible!) 4 if u guys n ur Church realy speak in toungues as u claim 2 do, then u would absolutely do it according 2 d teachins of d Holy Bible!! but as u don't do this, well then i simply consider u all FAKERS!!!

D most annoying part is when in a church u all just start talking n blabing out some rubbish n shouting ontop of ur voices!!!! CLAIMING 2 SPEAK IN TOUNGUES!!! NON-SENSE!!!

23: " If there the whole Church be come together into one place, and all speak in toungues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelivers, will they not say that ye are mad? "
if u guys realy claim 2 speak in toungues then y do u never look at this teaching 4 Paul during his tym on Earth laid it out plain n clearly 2 d future people who may recive this gift of Speaking in toungues, telling n teaching em wat n wat not 2 do if u speak in toungues, if u guys realy speak in toungues then u would follow this teachings, n not go doing things ur own way!!!

well @ Buluti, do u understand now y i consider u guys fake Speaker?!?!?
U guys simply don't do it as d Bible tells u 2!! once again: 4 Paul during his tym on Earth laid it out plain n clearly 2 d future people who may recive this gift of Speaking in toungues, telling n teaching em wat n wat not 2 do if u speak in toungues, if u guys realy speak in toungues then u would follow this teachings, n not go doing things ur own way!!

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wao i can't belive i wasted about 10 mins of ma life watching that CRAPP!!
just when will people stop being so gulible?!?!?!? that video is crap,

make one person just ring up a fire alarm, u go c amm say even d man who claims 2 b dead n d ones who claim 2 b raising go run lyk them never run b4!!!

i can't belive that people belive that crapp!!!!
diz country has 2 stop looking 4 soo much miracles, it just seems a million people go runnig, if dey just here d mention of " Miracle"!!
na waoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! 9JA!!!

this passage also points out clearly once again that speaking in toungues is not just not

diz last sentence was a mistake, ( my work posted b4 i finished, but my message is there all d same),

when u read those passages where it speaks about speaking in toungues u find out that, most of em r directed 2 d Church, trying 2 send out that message that in d Church, d head is there 2 teach d people about God n so on, U also notice that when it speaks about speaking in Toungues it always states out clearly, when ever it comes 2 d Church that eventhou u speak in toungues, d Church is just not d right place 2 do it, that when it comes 2 d Church, u just have 2 put ur speaking in toungues aside n teach d people (who r there 2 worship God) about God, n so on, !!

It states in d same Bible, Corinthians I, 22 : wherefore toungues are for a sign , not to them that belive, but to them that belive not: but prophesying, serveth not for them taht belive not, but for them which belive"

" well if ye all in ur Church all speak in toungues n follow d principles of d Bible, y did u leave diz parth out?? i mean if ye all, all speak in toungue n all belive in God , does d bible not state out that speaking in toungues is a sign 2 those that belive not?? if ye all in ur church belive, then y do u start speaking in some unknown toungue when u come together

23, If there the whole Church ( once again directed 2 d Church) be come together into one place, and all speak in toungues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelivers, will they not say that ye are mad? "

well not lyk i'm an Unbeliver, but diz passage just tells u wat i think of ye all that go into d Church n start speaking in some unknown toungue!! " i think ye all MAD!"

this passage also points out clearly once again that speaking in toungues is not just not

I Corinthians 12-14, chapter 14. quote 4rom 18 : I thank my God that i speaketh in tounges more than ya all, but in the Church i had rather speak FIVE words with my understanding, that by my voice i might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown toungue.

buluti:
Okay Nella thanx but please note you were not obliged to answer my question, it was based on what you stated i asked the question.

The scriptures you have presented are quite clear i agree interpretation is good and it edifies in the church congregation. But maybe i am lost but the speaking in tongues being referred to here is praying in tongues, the scripture is quite clear on speaking to the whole church in tongues when anyone seeks to speak to the church in tongues there should be an interpreter but when if there is none he should keep quiet.shut up.

This is quite different from when the pastor is praying on the pulpit and decides to pray in tongues and in english and vice versa or when the individuals in a church service are praying and decide to pray in tongues SHOUTING, this has nothing to do with speaking to the whole church, speaking in tongues to the whole church is a different scenerio. If he decides then to prophesy (the interpretation part) with the thus saith the lord thingy and speaks in tongues and he can't interpret nor if there is no interpreter in the service then we have an issue he should shut up as stated by 1 corinthians.

Please note am just responding based on the scriptures you provided and based on the fact that you believe there is speaking in tongues we are just trying to ascertain which is real and fake.

So can we agree that its not because everyone is shouting in tongues at the same time that it makes it real or fake as they are just praying in tongues, they are not speaking to the whole church they are talking to their God albeit in tongues.

@ syrup for now please lets leave the issue of where she worships she believes in speaking in tongues.

@ buluti: NO!! wat was spoken of in d scripture was not " Praying in toungues!!!" it was "SIMPLY" SPEAKING IN TOUNGUES!!! ( can u even read? do u mind NOT inventing ur own Bible here?!?!!!?!?!)
U go 2 Church 2 Worship God, d Pastor's( eventhou 99.9% of them r fake) job is 2 preach 2 d people in d Church, conduct it, n so on, But Not 2 go there n start Showing off that he speaks in toungues, (which is fake)having d whole church SHOUTING ontop of their lungs af if 2 say that God is deaf!!!! n d worst part is when d whole church claim 2 speak in toungues!!! RRRRRRUBISH!!!!!!

@Syrup, u say u speak in toungues lite?? do u even know d meaning of d things u say? ( i bet not!!) just keep deciving ur self!!!

abdkabir:
Totally overwhelmed by the huge response to this Thread.I don't even know how to start.

Here we have a thread filled with the Intellectuals reeling out their English and the non intellectuals expressing themselves. Interestingly, @ times the correct person necesarily doesn't have to be the Sophisticated one.


Perhaps tonnes of years Back, when ISlam was controlling the then civilised World, Islam wouldn't be viewed as it is Today. Attempting to interprete the Quran out of the context of the revelation of a verse is indeed very very unfair. I advise those who relish attacking Religion to do a proper & fair study of the religion rather than jump @ conclusions.

Interestingly 4 me, i do not blame 2 much the majority of those here accusing Islam, The media has greatly helped in causing this Misinformation. So has a group of non tolerant , violent people who call 'em selves Muslims.


4 me, i will remain a Muslim and my allegiance remains to One, The One of all Days, Lord of Incomparable Majesty, The Lord of Host, the Father of us all, God of abdkabir,Muhammed,Jesus et al, THe Supreme One without whom there's no Power. I take Joy in Sharing this truth with my Fellow Xtains and nowadays i rather share testimonies or miracles in our lives than argue .Because we get no where when we argue.THis has been my personal Experience.

I strongly advise anyone who wants to take a critical look at the Quran to be Fair and use Commentaries like "The Holy Quran by Yusuf Ali". U will indeed be doing some justice by consulting such a Interpretaion/Commentary , which attempts to paint the prevailing circumstances causing that Revelation.

The harunyahya website is also a nice site to visit, to know what Islam says about various contemporary issues(www.harunyahya.com).

Cheers.

ok i agree wid d part about "a group of non tolerant , violent people who call 'em selves Muslims. but did u say , "use Commentaries like "The Holy Quran by Yusuf Ali". wats holy about d quran?? it's some piece of junk, that i will burn up if i find it in ma backyard! !!!!

look ya all don't try 2 decive any one!! " islam is not a religion of peace!" ( i didn't say that, some muslim guy on CNN said it, on one of those debations about islam)

muslims r not bad, they just like killing people n being violent = THEY R BAD!!

buluti:
So can you help us explain how to know which is fake and true. In addition how do you know the tongues by people here and people you've seen are all fake as you agree speaking in tongues exist.

well i don't need 2 answer ur question just read wat d bible says about speaking in toungues!! :

I Corinthians 12-14, chapter 14. i quote 4rom 13 : "wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tounge pray that he may interpret".


I Corinthians 12-14, chapter 14. i quote 4rom 18 : I thank my God that i speaketh in tounges more than ya all, but in the Church i had rather speak FIVE words with my understanding, that by my voice i might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown toungue.

I Corinthians 12-14, chapter 14. i quote 4rom 27 : if any man speak in an unknown tounge, let it be by "TWO", or at the "MOST" by "THREE", and that by course; "LET ONE INTERPRET"!!!!!!


Let it b by "TWO or "THREE"; "AND AT THAT COURSE LET ONE INTERPRET!!!!!!

I Corinthians 12-14, chapter 14. i quote 4rom 28: " BUT IF THERE BE NO INTERPRETER, LET HIM KEEP "Silence" in the "CHURCH"; and LET HIM SPEAK TO HIMSELF N TO GOD".


there u go that's all one need 2 differenciate between a true n a fake toungue! , d Bible says : " BUT IF THERE BE NO INTERPRETER, LET HIM KEEP "Silence" in the "CHURCH"; and LET HIM SPEAK TO HIMSELF N TO GOD".

now which of d people who claim 2 speak in toungues does any of this?? non cuz they r all fake!!!

u bet muslims r not bad!! just lyk d foto says!

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bluenubian:
do u mean" this thread"?, and no he didnt jus come up with the topic, try reading more into what the original poster wrote, instead of just reading the topic and making conclusions.

well i can't waist my tym reading, becuz d topic is enough 2 assure me that d forum is useless!!

bluenubian:
this doesnt make sense either

well neither does this forum. u just think up a topic n create a forum 4 it!!
Jesus' Tomb Revealed. Jesus Wasn't Resurrected lol yeah i belive!! non-sense!!

Jesus' Tomb Revealed. Jesus Wasn't Resurrected??
2 d person who created this forum, just one question : which planet r u 4rom

Jesus' Tomb Revealed. Jesus Wasn't Resurrected??
just a question 4 d person who made this forum: " which planet r u 4rom

muhammed was evil!!

9ja4eva:
LOL.

Honestly this thread makes me sick

Am Good

not only u!! me 2!

bluenubian:
wow 22 people speak in tongue - liars!

don't mind them, dey don't know wat speaking in tongue is!! dey speak calaber mixed with d whole Nigerian launges n call it speaking in toungues!! i'm not trying 2 say that speaking in toungues dosen't exist, but as 4 this people in diz syte, n also d people i ve seen that claim 2 speak in toungue r all big tym LIARS!!

domwas2:
i can say the Dog is touched by the spirit that revolved around the boy when praying
someone should say i'm right

lol u r right

who says dogs don't pray??

software:
@ Nella

My sister My sister, how u dey Jare?

hey Software I'm fine 10x

@ the topic: Muslims r BAD!! infact they r EVIL!! more than EVIL!! all they know is Violence!!!
Muslims r Bad!!!!!
Mohammed fuked little Children!!!!! n yet u ask if Muslims r Bad?!?!?!? HELL YES!!!!

shahan:
Look Reverend, whenever you want to patronise people with your infantile banters, just turn home to your dad and the kinky group. If your dad is the head of a pure fiction club, what's my bother with that? Your hypocrisy isn't worth the waste of time.

GUD ONE!! hey Reverend u r a good example of a Person who has his a brain but just never use it in d right way!!
one advice 4 u: " u should sew ur self 4 being so stupid!!

um, about the tittle of this foru it is soppouse to b : "proove it if Quran is really Allah's word And not man" ( Allah n God r not d same!!!!!)

georgecso:
"Four women were not enough for Prophet Muhammad",
l must say that Muhammed has high appettite for women and he even married an 8yrs old girl as his wife. As for Solomon l don't think he was a prophet too though he was a wise man, a king and God used him.

including 8 years old? ewwwwwwww!!!ewww!!!ewwwww!!!
Na, Quran is "NOT" Gods words!!!!!! hell no!!!!!

Wumine:
why this arguement? the question is if Muhammad is from Allah and not if he is from God. Yes he is a prophet sent by Allah (not God). After all the muslims believe that God isnt same as Allah.

Agree!! Hell NO!!! Muhammad was not sent by God!!!!! ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!

syrup:
@Nella,

I understand your persuasions; but this focus on Nigerian pastors is quite unhealthy. If you really don't know the facts on ground, wouldn't it be better that you cease laying allegations againts people about who you have no clue?

well i'm focusing on Nigerian pastors bcuz dey r d only one i know who boast 2 speak in tounge!!! ( dey probably have their branches in other countries)

Vintage:
I to some extent beleiev Jen33. I have done my own research, and have come to the conclusion that their is a GOd, and saviour is coming, but i do not believe its jesus, and I do not beleive its Jesus in the current false imge in which he is potrayed.
As for the bible. There are elements of truth in it, but I know for a fact that over the years certain elelements of the bible have been fabricated. I personally do noot ue bibles which were printed after 1985.

Personally many christians don't even know the bible. If they did, they would not be so scared of themselves. Some of these devil pastors have not been educated, they have simply been trained from a eurocentric perspective.

Blablablabla,

u ve done ur own research n found out that there is a GOd?? wao wat a suprise!!! welcome 2 d real world: "u r just waking up brother!"

U belive that there is Saviour coming, but it is not Jesus??" : well u might b smart enough 2 figure out that there is God but not smart enough 2 figure out that Jesus Christ is d saviour? : well once again : well come 2 d real world brother, u r still assleep!!"