Lifestone:

But a pro Russian government was elected and ruling till 2014 when it was violently overthrown.
How do you allow you enemies to encamp at his door step

so Ukrainians cannot decide for themselves again?

when Warsaw pact broke beginning the end of the Soviet Union by people revolution, was it the west that started that one too?

When thousands died just to cross from East Germany to West Germany. Was it the west that was bribing them to undertake such risk?

Belarus, Russia ally is having a referendum to decide whether to Join the EU or not, is it the West that's calling the shot there too?

You guys always talk as if Ukrainians are zombies or robots that don't have a mind of their own and can't decide shit

Let's take a back seat for a second.

Like do this people what it will mean for NATO to be like we can't accept Ukraine because Russia said so?

an outsider dictating for a bloc?

imagine you going to the Army to tell them not to accept your brother's application. Who give you such loud?

ILEMUDA:


What are you even saying self....??
Are you high or something?
How has this answered my question?
If you don't have any reasonable things to say, just get out.

or you can't read. should have indicated that earlier

BloomingDale:


Yes, America’s ego will destroy her because they won’t expect the attack. It will be fast and furious. Undetectable submarines with nuclear weapons on America’s waters already.

you can't be in Atlantic ocean without the US knowing. Russia don't have quiet subs and you're talking about undetected subs.

That's how you guys hyped Russian equipments and yet Ukraine are taking them out. Russian tank can't even survive a javelin anti-tank missiles. lol

Putin be goofing big time

WoundedLamb:
I thought they said those were irrelevant sanctions from the West? Y'all need to realize the real power is more economic than military. The only advantage Putin has over NATO at this point is his total lack of regards for human lives. Nevertheless, they're waiting for him to step into a NATO member country.

Dude is not a diplomat. You don't make requests at the global stage without offering possible exit solutions. If he doesn't want Ukraine in NATO, what is he bringing to the table to reassure the world he'd never harass the country again? He pushed Ukraine to NATO by violating Budapest and showing no willingness to implement Minsk. What exactly does he want them to do? Just stay unprotected? C'mon! Even the US makes compromises.

something he would have lobbied Germany with discount gas and France to reject Ukraine membership every time.

He wanted to form macho man so his online zombies will feed his ego

saintadeola:
When it started u,all of u will say west should have take dialogue u think putin is afraid of death,he is ready to loose all,he is a mad man not like trump that rump mouth without action,many only read what nuclear is capable of,wen nuclear war start,u know they suppose to sort things now,before they destroy Moscow,most elite nation will be ruined,I pity Ukraine, most,it will be vanish,because Russia has not use any massive weapon,
Me I want peace ooo,let them sort it amicably,nuclear war is a disaster, USA might be powere house,Russia is well equipped beyond ur guess
A man that is ready to die and take everything down with him is very dangerous

what's so special about Moscow that other nations will be in ruins before it's destroyed?? if it nuclear proof or what.

dey whyne yourself

ILEMUDA:


What I don't really understand about USA is that.
How will you be making Nuclear Weapons and at the same time imposing sanctions on other nations not to undergo nuclear program.....eg North Korea, Iran etc.

It's unclear to me.

Putin just gave you an answer and you're still asking why.

America lost in Vietnam
Pull out of Korea when the condition was favorable anymore.

Have been losing men to wars but have never threatened those people with nuclear weapons.

Russia is barely a week in and Putin is already scared. Imagine a scenario where the likes of Iran and North Korea find themselves in the same scenario as Russia now, can you honestly believe they would offer the same restraints as the US?

BloomingDale:


You sabi. America will be destroyed by Russia and China. NATO will finally team up with China and Russia.

wow! I didn't know America don't have nuclear weapons too so it will be a sitting duck as it's being destroyed.

thanks for the enlightenment

nairalander2020:
Russia has the largest nuclear stock pile in the world.
Facts check#

did you also check the fact that not all of them are active and you don't just activate them in a couple of hours

Rollsnjaguar:
Those urging western nations on will be shocked at what Putin is capable of. I know Putin will never loose, instead he will deploy nuclear weapons.

like the west don't have nuclear weapons.

una and talk ehn. He has shown his hand in Ukraine, his bluff will be called

Putin is out of moves. Man is playing his last card.

Russia showing in Ukraine has weakened his position, he can threatened all he wants, his bluff will be called.

The war goes nuclear, everyone dies, new life emerges and life goes on.

on another note:

This is exactly the reason the US and her allies don't want others to have nukes.
Just a small Ukraine is giving you problem and you are ready to go nuclear.

The US has lost a lot of wars and never thought of using that option instead they go home and people here will be asking why should the west have it and others don't.
Well you question has been answered

walkbrazil4k:


The question is why does everyone hate Russia or why do they want to move away from Russia? Why do they love the EU, I think the USA is a very good neighbour to Mexico, why are some Russian neighbours always scared of Russia, I just see putin as paranoid, no country can attack Russia, we all know that, Mexico can never choose Russia over the USA

finally, same thing I've been saying. Attacking Russia I counterproductive for anyone.

Those guys are so stubborn that what ever the invader wants to achieve won't be possible

Omicron007:




Nairaland has a lot of Pro-Russian Mercenaries and Putin Urchins who doesn't know the impact of war but are ready to ass-lick Putin everyday.

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Before y'all come for my head, I understand the angle Putin is coming from.
Putin will not sit down and watch Ukraine romance with Russia's fierce enemies.
Ukraine joining NATO means Russia may wake up one day and be attacked by USA and her allies.

On the other hand, Ukraine won't sit and watch Russia bully her on a daily basis.

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More than 100,000 people have fled Ukraine into neighboring countries like Poland and Romania in the past three days.
A humanitarian disaster is looming large in Ukraine alongside a Refugee crisis.

quick question: why do you guys think they US will one day attack Russia?
like what's the precedence for such stupidity? or what's the end game?

pol23:
The WEST being what they’re….
They want to make example out of Russia ,they want the rest of the world to know you can’t go against them and win.
They doing everything they could to make Russia suffer.
Well,let’s see where this ends.
Putin is ready war any of you and maybe all of you put together….
Russia against NATO,victory isn’t certain… but even America will be reduce to the size of Gambia Economically.
Russia might go to oblivion truly,But this western guys will learn the hard way.
I hope all Europe has prepared to start using firewood and start trekking in Darkness…. Another option buy oil and Energy elsewhere,the distributor selling to Africans will easily sell to Europe… suffer don kuku master us here….
Well,oil price will skyrocket and the whole world will feel it… naija fit gain from that though.
The more the sanction ,the more the destruction in Ukraine…
Sadly,poor Ukrainian have to pay for this…
Russia will surely be affected by all this sanctions,but at the end…one thing will be registered in everyone’s mind…. Russia isn’t a puppet to anyone or some association of past criminals.
Pray for Ukraine.

so the EU that approve the sanctions don't know where they got their oil and energy from abi.

they are like let's sanctions Russia. Then they come online and be like oh! shit pol23 just informed us we buy oil from Russia. what will we do now

get a grip

FourElements:
Nincompoop! Do you even have any "record"?

SMH.. broaden your intellectual horizon.

broken record have nothing to "record" in terms of achievement. It's more of an idiomatic expression that emerged from the olden days of disco records/vinyl disc where if the disc is broken, the vinyl will keep repeating the same sound.

now you've learn something. you can make donation to dz address as an appreciation

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ambimo:
Turkey has always been a staunch supporter and ally of Russia. I don't think it's any different now.

orh Erdoğan I didn't know you had join Twitter.

Please can you tell us why you condemned your "ally" invasion of Ukraine and join NATO response force. It doesn't hard up.

Also can you tell us why you're looking to dispose the very government your "ally" is supporting in Syria?

or why you're allowing Ukraine to use your drones to attack your "ally" abi defend themselves?

thank you as you clarify these matters

PeaceJoyLove:
DoggoneDogg MT neuf

This na your thread. Oga...post your comments here. Leave Russia Ukraine threads alone.

God, who carry go jam werey

TheOgaBoss:
I meant Russia, that was a typo

Oga ukrain may not have missile technology but NATO does and it establishes missile bases in many of its member countries

nope it's doesn't, what they mostly do have is A2A anti access air denial systems. which are not offensive systems.

All NATO member that don't have ballistic missiles are under the protection of those that do.

Aside from France and Britain which have all their missiles on subs, the ICBM that are in Europe and owned and operated by the US which the place in Germany and Turkey

just go read bro

Meninmen:


That was what I explained to you. The security guarantees was that those countries (UK, US, Russia) will not attack or wage war against Ukraine. It doesn't say one will come to the aid of Ukraine if it is attacked by another.

You have still not shown where it is stated that any party to the agreement (e.g the US) should come to the aid of Ukraine if it attacked by another party (e.g Russia).

Please read the agreement and understand it.

what does "Security assurance against threats or use of force mean......."

Again I said loosely included meaning it's not verbatim which is what the quote above indicated

TheOgaBoss:
they may not have fought before but they are foes. Itt is an open secret that Russia and USA have a very frosty diplomatic relation, besides why do u think NATO is interested in ukrain if not for it's strategic location to china. Lastly ehrn NATO establishes missile bases in ukrain( it it had successfully joined) who do u think the missile would be targeted at? Definitely not the allies of USA in western Europe and Asia.

I'm not going thru this again.

Oga boss go look map first, how is Ukraine strategically located to China?

the way you guys twist ish backwards need to be studied. Ukraine wants to join NATO register on you guys radar as NATO wants Ukraine.
If Ukraine was that important, why did the so called interested NATO reject its request to join the first time?

Now that Sweden and Finland are expressing interest to join, tomorrow you guys will twist it to NATO is interested in Sweden and Finland.

lastly,Ukraine don't have any ballistic missiles so I don't know which one you think will be aimed at someone.

I'm tired abeg. Help me help you. Just go read about everything.
NATO, Russia, Ukraine, China, Geopolitics and the rest

TheOgaBoss:
by USA and china trade internally, that does not mean they are necessarily buddies diplomatically. W Europe largely depend on Russia for gas because they have not found a viable alternative

you miss the point of contention.

The whole point was how Ukraine will be used to attack Russia if it joins NATO.
so I was asking him to show anywhere that NATO and Russian has fought before.

like you have pointed out now with China. they are not buddies but it would be absurd for me to now say the US want to invade and attack China that's why it want Taiwan as an independent country.

Meninmen:


Not true!

security guarantees

Difrent:


If they condemn the war they should also play their part in hurting Russia by denying them access to the black sea if they couldnt impose any sanctions now

sanctions come in different form. Turkey make use of the black sea too. if you your end, Russia close theirs, how does it benefit Turkey? and how does not closing it make Turkey Russian ally?

Meninmen:


I think you should read more about the Budapest agreement.

In summary, the agreement assured Ukraine that Russia, US and UK would refrain from threatening it and respect its independence and sovereignty and the existing borders if they give up their nuclear weapons (which they couldn't even launch if they wanted to because the code for laughing was in Moscow)

No where in the agreement was it stated that the US would come to the aid of Ukraine if they get involved in a war. It only states that the US, UK and Russia wouldn't intimidate or attack Ukraine after giving up their nuclear weapons.

By virtue of that agreement, Russia has violated the agreement because they have attacked ukraine, but the US has no commitment what so ever to defend Ukraine. The agreement only said US shouldn't attack Ukraine. Not that the US should defend Ukraine in case of a war.

part of the agreement implied that Ukraine will be protected by the rest if the other if aggressive towards it

PeaceJoyLove:

There is no need to argue with you as the highlighted part and the underlined part put it clearly. Your way of interpreting it is your weakness. So, if there was an agreement, and Russia backed out, and there was a promise that they will be defended, and they gave it up....do you make sense at all?

Who is NATO? From what you see...is it not the US? I don't want to go into details cos I will just waste my time with you and what should not be said openly will. Half baked like you always want to show you know.

You better go update yourself. Just ask anyone the part I have shown you in your post and hear the response.

You are funny. Just look at how you showed your skill to interpret, study, and predict is weak. I know you will return to argue, but I don't with your level. Seriously, take a deep breath and look at the highlighted part and the underlined.

Lastly, you said it is taking too long to conquer Ukraine. hmm. You are funny. Go update yourself. There is a video where Biden openly said he doesnt want war with Russia with one of the largest military cos it is automatically 3rd world war. Go update yourself. And it seems you know nothing about military strategy. So you don't still get it that Putin is using what is called putting fear in your enemy. And look at the strategy. They captured Chernobyl. Lol. You don't get it. You know nothing about war. I won't tell you the reason for that. But that's a signal. That scared the heck out of Moscow cos they never thought it was going to be his first step. I don't see it coming too. Boy, go update yourself. I don't have your time. So, you think a mission based on peacekeeping will be complete [destruction? You know nothing about military strategy. All of you just post anything and anyhow on NL cos the internet is cheap. Na waooo.

And your $2billion package....is that the debate? Are you okay at all? We are talking of the newly released $600m. Do you even reason well? Biden left $600m and moved to Delaware yesterday. He has left White House. Is this not what we are talking about? Do you really understand the body language there? I see that you need help. Seriously. You need it.

O boy...go good school too. No stop education now ooo cos you gat so much to learn. Attend where your cognitive skill will be developed.


Good luck.

you're blabbing about without saying anything.

Your kind are always writing long epistle without saying anything.

You said that NATO pushed Ukraine into giving up its nuclear arsenal if not Russia wouldn't have attacked them now. I showed you the correct thing but as it's a requirement for joining Nairaland, you must double down on your ignorance even when it doesn't make sense.

Again, you said Biden latest aid is too late that it should have come before the war. I again pointed you to the fact that there was aid before the war but here you are saying what I don't understand. Someone provided aid before the war, you now claim the one being provided during the war is too late like how? the $6.4billion that have been requested for Congress to free up for Ukraine, when that one comes what will you say?

is US at war? What does Biden staying in the White House has to do Ukraine crisis. So if he leaves the White House suddenly he can't communicate with anybody or doesn't have the power to make decisions?
So your idea of doing something is sitting all weekend at the White House staring at screen and doing what exactly if I may ask?
He doesn't coordinate the armed forces, that is the duty of the Joint Chiefs that then report to him which they can even if he isn't at the White House.
Did Bush or Obama stay all the time at the White House when US forces where in Iraq and Libya?
wasn't Trump at a golf course for the weekend during the Iranian crisis?

You ain't getting further replies from me cause it shows you don't know anything about anything and I can't for the life of me come down to your level

Difrent:


I meant Russia sent the first man to space. You need to get the latest update on Turkeys position...they have refused to block the black sea and will allow Russian ships pass through

why would they block the black sea... is Turkey at war with Russia?

Difrent:


So?
They can create internet but others can master it more than them. Russia sent the first man to moon....but today Russia is behind many countries in space exploration

First you rope Turkey in, same people that have openly and vehemently condemned Russia aggression and is now part of NATO defense force.
Now it's Russia that sent the first man to the moon.

Check your phone, which year is it? I want to check something

PeaceJoyLove:


Unfortunately, this money is late. It should have been sent before the war started. Not now. I don't see the Ukrainian president surviving next week. That gallant and the brave young man will rather have his boys shoot him dead rather than being captured. Mark my word. That man is 2022 hero. I do not know what to say about him. He is ready to die. So also ex-presidents there. But I know God is God. And I pray my predictions should not happen in Jesus' name. Amen.

Guys, if not for NATO who told Ukraine to give up nuclear weapon projects, dem no born Putin and Moscow well. Do you know how powerful Kiev (kyiv) used to be? Go and read about Chernobyl. Then you will know who they are. But they gave up everything. See eh! Make we no see wetin pass us in this life.

All they want is peace. Life has treated them so harshly. So, no one expects Putin can do it. It is just taboo. Moscow, St Petersburg, and Kiev are brothers. The leaders of the old USSR. It is just wrong. This invasion is wrong.

These kids posting rubbish here are not informed. I am so ashamed of the level of what we know as Nigerians. This is an indication of the level of our educational system.

This money is late sir. I am sorry. But what NATO refused to know is that Putin may move forward after defeating Ukraine. Estonia and Latvia are NATo members and are part of the old USSR. But first Finland is already panicking. Cos they are already saying if NATO can leave Ukraine, they will leave them too. So, Finland may not go ahead with NATO again. When Putin sees this...believe me, he may attack Estonia and Latvia if truly he wants USSR back.

Then, it will be late. The signal would have been sent. China too may just attack Taiwan. And then N.Korea too attack South Korea. We know they are all into that thing together. Since they know the only thing preventing them from attacking their neighbors is NATO. And since NATO is a toothless bulldog, they will just do it.

So, I do not understand the plan of NATO. Cos to me they are a toothless bulldog with what is happening in Ukraine. This is the reality on the ground.

Why push Ukraine far when they know they aren't going to fight? The Ukrainian president said that all our allies have left us alone. So, what the crap is this money going to do when the president is in the front war already. So, he will leave and go operate swift to wire it to start buying weapons? I don't understand.

And then, Biden left White House yesterday to go rest in Delaware. Hmmmm. It says a lot, sir. I don't want to say too much.

To me, we may have two world powers if we aren't careful here. And to hand over power to Putin is too dangerous.

go and update yourself first.

NATO never ask Ukraine to give up anything. The Budapest agreement was made with US, UK and Russia for Ukraine and Hungary to give up their arsenal and if one of the nuclear power attack them, the others will defend them.
something that is not a secret yet you deliberately left the part were Russia has broken that agreement to blame NATO for nothing.

The $2billion package in financial and military aid that was given to Ukraine before this war is called what. Jeez. like which century are you?

The Javelin anti-tank missiles, ammunition trucks going from Poland, Estonia, Latvia to Ukraine, how did they get authorisation to give out US military weapons without US approval?

Finland PM just gave a statement that Putin show is very likely to push them to join NATO. Finland and Sweden and here you are saying the opposite.

NATO for the first time has activated it's defense force and you're thinking Russia that can't even achieve air superiority over Ukraine after 3 days can't dare to attack Estonia Latvia and Lithuania.

I really would love to see Putin try.

Funny how Trump was praise as the only President that didn't fight a war even though it was Pelosi the devil they love to hate that stopped him from starting one.
Same folks are calling Biden weak for trying so hard to avoid committing US military into another war.

male it make sense na

Nukilia:


You are intelligent!

lol... let me paint a similar picture. It's like attacking Nigeria from Benin Republic and praising the attacker for reaching Lagos?

just looking at the map would have solved a lot. Just saying

Meninmen:


The US has no obligation what so ever to commit troops in the defense of Ukraine. No commitment what so ever. They are just trying the best they can. If Putin head dey hot, let him attack Countries in NATO or countries with defense treaty with the US.

Poland, Lithuania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Estonia are all countries in the region that are in NATO. Let Putin attack any of them.

you're slightly wrong tho, they do have an obligation to protect Ukraine just not by entering the war itself according to the Budapest agreement that made Ukraine and Hungary gave up their nuclear arsenal

Greenerie:
[You can insult an elderly veteran.I won't exchange words with you. Thanks for insulting an elderly man.God bless you.

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Well I'm in Ukraine and I'm calling your bluff... you're just full of shit rn

you're welcome