oklahrelo:




Sleep abeg... Argument no dey tire..


Wetin I know, be say none of you here . .. know s what's really going on between NATO,Russia (USSR)" conflicts.. ya'll are just quoting on the feeds you read and fed on ..

there's never a conflict.. which is what I've been saying all along. Those two were loosely allies against the Nazis. They differ on ideology.

Even at the heights of the cold War, Military personnel choose caution over letting it loose.

Heck the so call enemy of Russia constitute majority of Russia largest trading partner. First time I'd be hearing of an enemy looking to make theirs rich and prosperous.

think! it's that simple

Help2020:

Yes you can support Ukraine. Personally I'm against dictatorship,so I hate Ukraine invasion. But NATO has no business in Easter Europe. Look at what they did to Libya.

my COMMENT never mentioned NATO. If you have a problem with them, the have a website and all that, take it up with them

where is that Russian nairalander that was making noise of Russia landing paratroopers in Kazakhstan....

when I told him landing troopers in a friendly environment is a walk in the park, he was busy saying a whole of trash...

SMH

I stand with Ukraine ��

pansophist:


If Ukraine implements the Minsk agreement, it would make the region autonomous, and the puppet regime in Kyiv fears that they will be a stumbling block to their westward integration economically and militarily (Nato and EU).

This is the point of the maiden revolution in the first place, to purge Ukraine of any leaders that will be friendly to Moscow.

again missing the point of the question... What you just explained shows how it favours the current government of Ukraine that wants to join EU; not how its favors America that you claimed was using Ukraine against Russia.

how simple can a question be??

Greenerie:
Uncle, I am in Poland right now, telling you wats happening next door.You think everyone is a nigerian kid on Nairaland with cheap data that expires at midnight?

This are classified information,u telling me to seek help.Do u know if I'm a foreignernot a Nigerian?
If my cousins and siblings are army officers?
U think everyone on here is a Nigerian?

U are to seek help cos u lack ability to think intelligently.I see ur just a little boy behind that keypad typing trash.

Go to bed,Son

Well I'm in Ukraine and I'm calling your bluff... you're just full of shit rn

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Empty talk that ain't going no where..
The evil must be crushed.. Putin is trying to spike unnecessary war..
His Evil motive against the world shall never come to pass..

man thought he'd find support out here in the real world.
Don't know We stand with Ukraine!

Greenerie:
[Brother,the west us behind all thus.many disguised soldiers entered Ukraine borders secretly,gave weapons to soldiers,first bomb some places and said Russia has started bombing.

They planned the whole thing and it all went as they planned.

Now Finland just said it wants to join Nato.They have seen that Ukraine is about giving up and wants negotiations,to settle with Putin.
Now they are plotting to use finland against Russia cos they also share a border,they are next door neighbors.look at Russia-finland map.

They are just out to trouble and torment Putin who wants to be on his own.



quote author=neuf post=110545223]y'all love the blame the West for everything.

When the WEST was busy shouting about an immediate invasion even down to how it will take place. Ukrainian President dismissed the intelligence while Nairaland zombies called it western propaganda.

When the so called WEST said they won't authorised military action in defense of Ukraine since last year but will give financial and military aid for Ukraine to defend itself will they focus on economic sanctions. Nairaland zombies said America was afraid of Russia, why won't they fight, yen yen yen.

Now that everything is playing out the way the western intelligence reported suddenly the west has abandoned Ukraine.

y'all funny tho

seek help... it will do you and your loved ones a lot of good

Cvesta:


You are just blabbing. You haven't answered my question

did you answer mine?

Newboss:


Bro did you just ask how many country?

Libya was one of US's first experiments. Iraq also dey that list.

You couldn't possibly have forgotten what US can do.

Russia is THE embodiment of Soviet Union. Everyone knows this. It's the only thing remaining of the union

jeeez... no wonder Britain require us to take English test even though English is the English use in schools here.

You say Russia is the only country to resist the west. So therefore NATO is against Russia.
I asked you to mention at least one scenario where NATO forces have engaged Russian forces given all the numerous wars the US have been in.
You haven't done that

instead you're jumping around saying nothing. The Soviet Union was a communist Union which is what NATO didn't want in Western Europe. Russia is presently a democracy although loosely and here you are saying Russia is the embodiment of the Soviet Union. like do you even know what that word means

una dey tire person like this ehn

pansophist:


If you actually understoond my previous answer to your question, there would be no need for this. Regardless, I'm not sure if you intentionally want to keep burying your head in the sand, or you're suffering from a chronic propaganda disorder, in any case, let's find out. I'll ask you some determining questions and we shall proceed from there. Please answer it to the best of your ability.

1. If the US apply the Monroe doctrine across all western and Southern hemisphere, an area over the size of Africa, why can't Russia do the same?

2. Why did Ukraine not implement the Minsk agreement ? Zelensky agreed to during the declaring in Minsk alongside Merkel, Putin, Macron, and Poroshenko, what's holding it on stands till since eight years now ?

3. How is it acceptable that a democratically elected leader (Victor Yanukovich) was overthrowned illegally, seizing power from the people and giving it to an anti-Russian puppet?

4. If Nato is not an offensive organisation (though it claims its only for defense), why was it used to bomb Syria, Belgrade, Afghanistan, Libya, to name a few?

Please answer truthfully and don't skip any. Hopefully in your bid to respond truthfully, your heavily propagandized mind would be released to the truth, not what you darling western CNN and BBC wants you to believe.

lol... nairalanders will never change.. SMH

You said and I can quote you on that, Ukraine allowed US to use them. I asked you how they did that.. you listed 4 pointed on how Ukraine had disagreement with Russia.
My question which was what I asked the first time, from those points you listed, how do they benefits the US?

If Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement, they'd lose control over Donbas, them losing or gaining control over that area, how is it to US advantage? that's what I asked you to explain because that would show how the US is using Ukraine.

You guys go on and on like Ukrainians don't have the mind to decide for themselves. The ones that are fighting now, are they taking orders from America to fight?
The brave soldiers that blew himself to jeopardise the bridge, did he had to call Washington first to get approval?

Answer the question I asked you first then I will gladly answer your crazy questions

Cvesta:


Have you heard of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya?

Secondly who is NATO defending Europe from if you say that is the new Objective and why don't they accept Russia to be a member or is Russia no more in Europe ?

Was NATO forces fighting Russia forces in those countries?
the question I asked was simple but it seems you have a problem with comprehension.

Who's NATO defending Europe from? you do know that question is insane right... that's like saying pre boko haram... why does Nigeria have an army? We weren't fighting any war so who was our army defending us from.
That's a question an educated person is asking in this era. SMH

Simple, they don't want Russia to join. NATO rejected Georgia and Ukraine request to join too. Does that mean they are also against those two??

FinallyFamous:
I beg to differ, you are even more ignorant than the people u criticise. The aim was not to destroy Ukraine, it was a chess game , and Ukraine played in to Russian hand, they are neighbors or better yet brothers..I bet same will not be said of a USA vs RUSSIA full blown war (God forbid) Russia allows what ever happened to happen it was a calculated risk . They want a situation where they could say Ukraine also did them bad too, and sheild the sword..this will keep or give Ukraine some dignity..as a proxy Russian federation

Russia already got what they wanted(the control of the nuclear field)

You don't know much about warfare do you?

which nuclear field...

Ukraine that gave up it's nuclear arsenal since the Budapest agreement.

it's the confidence to type rubbish that's it for me... bravo

Highman56:

U r an ignorant person.

I agree... enlighten me by answering the question.

Show how knowledgeable you are

FourElements:
Obama's US and Israel are the brains behind the Islamic state, just as they are the brains behind Boko Haram and ISWAP. That's why it's been difficult for your country to defeat them.
Trump tried to stop the madness when he took power, but immediately Biden/Obama came back to power, the party continues.

say something new... this one sounds like a broken record

Newboss:


Russia is the only thing that can resist the west. Without Russia, the west will eat any nation that stands against its ideology. Russia stands up for those the west go against. Russia has always been the west's biggest threat.

Now we have Russia-China-Iran alliance. One day someone will need to stand up to the west. If they silence Russia, there would be no nation bold enough to go against them.

This fight no start yesterday. From one US president to another US president, they're all talking about Russia. Or are you not paying attention?

NATO is controlled by USA.

you're talking of hypothetical scenario that has never happened.

How many countries has the US change their government to democracy. Where was Russia to stand up for them?

you just illustrated my point, you guys swallow up someone paranoia as facts but are quick to form woke.

I expected you to say so so and so year or day, NATO lined up to fight Russia. After that they met here and here and fought. But you will never see that why?

NATO objective at its formation was to stop the advancement of communism is Europe. The Fall of The Soviet Union meant that objective was met. They decided to now evolved into the security of Europe which led to them accepting membership for former Soviet states.

That's all they are these days, protecting Europe, fighting terrorism and defending human rights.

Except you believe Russia is against those objectives then there's no NATO vs Russia.

DoggoneDogg:
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US objective in Syria was to oust Assad which failed woefully after Putin moved in and destroyed US forces.

source - Trust me bro.

yeah we get it no be today una dey jonse

DoggoneDogg:
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US controlled Vietnam?
Syria?

Una nor dey shame o lol

US was in Syria to deal with ISIS and they have done that. You dey laugh at your own ignorance.

The country fighting to get Assad disposed is mainly Turkey but I don't expect you to know that because you guys are just vibes and inshallah

Trentee4eva:

Western News dey deceive you. I've been in contact with a Nigerian in Ukraine. The Russians don't want to harm ordinary Ukrainians, they are looking for Zelensky.

I've been in contact with my friend in Ukraine. they are giving it hot hot to the Russian

Now that Russia action is pushing a neutral state to join NATO.

very soon their zombies on Nairaland will soon find a link of how it's the US fault that Finland wants to join NATO.

Newboss:


You don't know what you're talking about.

There is pro-west and there is NATO. Two completely different things. It's like comparing being pro-Islam with being a Muslim. Best analogy.

You can support an ideology without being part of that ideology. That is called being neutral. If you join NATO, you MUST picked up arms against Russia any time NATO calls. It's an obligation. You MUST run ops for NATO. You MUST do the bidding of NATO. It's a fûcking cult.

You see how that threatens Russia's national security? Most of una no dey think deep

when since the formation of NATO has it ever called for members to pick up arms against Russia.
what exactly does Russia has to be a threat that NATO needs to take out?

You guys bask in Putin paranoid ideology but will be quick to tell others they don't know what they are talking about

pansophist:


- Refusing to implement the Minsk agreement.
- Applying to join Nato
- undemocratically overthrowing the president during the maiden revolution.
- Banning Russian language and oppressing rhe Russian minorities.
- Disregarding Russia's diplomatic cry for security guarantees, and siding the west to be a dagger pointing at Russia, because of the promise of Nato and EU.

How long do you want to keep burning your head in the sand?

that's Ukraine doing what Ukraine wants to do.

you don't even understand yourself at this point. How does those point you put up benefits the Americans in anyway?
You said Ukraine allowed the US to use them meaning each of those point you put up should benefit them right?

You're head is out of the sand but you just can't seem to think

Anny505:


All they want to see is a full blown war between Russia and USA just for their own ego, like how pathetic can you be

God bless you... This is just the whole issue. How the US should parachute to Ukraine and fight so they can stay in their room and jerk off on it while human beings die

CoronaVirusPro:
When the “Ghost of Kiev” has already shot down 6 Russian jet fighters in less than 24 hours

Dude didn’t expect this much casualties

The media should please release the pilots name. Win or lose! He has made a name in military records!

if you had said this before the conflict, some oversabi people here would have told you how Russian jet will crush Ukraine.

How Russia makes the best plane and have hypersonic missiles and blah blah blah

pansophist:


Ukraine allow itself to be used in the geopolitical interest of US hegemony. And now they are paying the price. Is this hard to understand?

how did it allow itself to be used. I ask one simple question and you dey repeat the same thing.

Newboss:


Is Finland enslaved?

Ukraine needs to be neutral. Joining NATO means they can never be neutral. NATO is Russia's worst enemy.

This president na one big idiot

Finland is pro-west.

Ukraine needs to be what Ukraine decides to be. No dey stay Nigeria dey decide wey e dey pain person for far away.
Do you know what happened for them to decide and even constitutionally state to be pro-west.
Do you think it's something you decide in a blink of an eye?

pansophist:
I think he an idiot personally. The life of forty million citizens was under your hand for protection, but you decided to spite your giant neighbour and use your country as a pawn to contain Russia. Now he reacted, and you're scavenging for sympathy.

if it's about containing Ukraine, why would they need Ukraine?

una and talk ehn

y'all love the blame the West for everything.

When the WEST was busy shouting about an immediate invasion even down to how it will take place. Ukrainian President dismissed the intelligence while Nairaland zombies called it western propaganda.

When the so called WEST said they won't authorised military action in defense of Ukraine since last year but will give financial and military aid for Ukraine to defend itself will they focus on economic sanctions. Nairaland zombies said America was afraid of Russia, why won't they fight, yen yen yen.

Now that everything is playing out the way the western intelligence reported suddenly the west has abandoned Ukraine.

y'all funny tho

Rgade:
The EU is a disgrace. NATO is disgraceful.
NATO should have made their stand crystal clear to Ukraine from day one in the event of a Russian invasion; instead of giving them false hope. NATO couldn’t even predict the invasion. It was US intelligence that saw it coming and those one already took military intervention off the table from day one.
If NATO had at least moved their forces quick enough into Ukraine their presence alone might have been enough to deter Putin. It would take a lot of balls for him to shoot at soldiers bearing the NATO tag.
Apart from the UK and France to an extent, no other major European power is even behaving as if anything is happening.
Ukraine should just agree to Russia’s terms for now abeg, tomorrow they go again. Maybe by then NAssTO would give them more support.

at least do small research before you post on a public forum.

Do you even know what is NATO in the first place?

secondly, how can NATO move it's forces into a country that isn't its member? isn't that invasion.

The mobilisation they did to beefed up their Eastern defence is what?

9gerian:
Not true! That was exclusively Trump’s emphasis, and he was initially mocked for it. That’s why the mainstream media did everything to deflect the fact or credibility of anyone ascribing the covid 19 virus to a lab in Wuhan, China.

New information now points to the fact that there was a deliberate cover up by Fauci about the probable origins of covid 19.

And about globalists. It is not someone somewhere but a group of people who try to set agenda for all of humanity in terms of what to hear from the media, what to think and how to control and direct the world affairs in line with such agendas. Support entities include WEF, Bilderberg group, council of foreign relations etc etc.

Again, these things are not straight jacketed but are part of a puzzle like kind of plan to determine a lot of things. And, all of it started with nations (led by the US) after world war 2 coming together to form the UN in order to prevent a similar occurrence, where one nation was able to move the way Germany did to take over the affairs of the world. Noble idea except that power corrupts, and soon some of the stakeholders began to do exactly what they were trying to prevent exploiting their new found powers, and through cooperation.

But hey, you can stick whatever narratives the main stream media continues to feed the world regardless of facts, that only get exposed belatedly. So… no offense here!

please can you point out Trump last year foreign policy by the state department.

You say the Globalist formed the UN, guess the country that's a permanent member of the UN Security Council... tadaaarh RUSSIA.
The same Russia you said was exempted. So Russia a.k.a USSR was part of the founding member of the UN a.k.a the globalist but somehow the globalist doesn't control Russia according to you earlier.

Does that even make sense to you?

Do you know why Philosophy still has a place in modern society? Because it ask questions. Maybe you should too. Like how can a group that can control the world through is whims allow an anomaly to occur in its grand plan.

9gerian:
Well it depends on who profits.

Trump strategy favors the American people in terms of more value to them, less debts, and a somewhat conservative approach (through economic and military strength) to foreign policy issues. Trump was somewhat naive to think he can win for the second time against the US establishment who saw his first emergence as a big error. All final candidates for US elections are usually from the establishment. Trump was an anomaly.

Continuing the status quo for which he was booted out favors the military industrial complex, which is a part of the US establishment, and by extension the globalists who have an agenda to build a new world order using whoever was more successful, whether it is China, the US or any other block (EU). As long as everything fits into their plan for controlling the world, whatever it takes. Russia is an outsider of this movement but China is not.

That is why, Joe Biden or Obama can focus on Russia as a threat, while ignoring China that was going to, am has now overtaken the US economically. Trump came and reappraised the situation appropriately fingering China as the real enemy to the US economically.

That of course is another story entirely but still dovetails into this same subject but in a different way. Very complex but the end game is the same.

yet again, Biden Administration is the first to directly mention China has a direct threat to the US ignoring Russia.
Also, the US had a better GDP than China in 2021 but sure China has overtaken the US economically.

You guys always have the same M.O - globalist, someone somewhere controlling everything. Trump was the good guy, everyone else is bad.

ImaIma1:


You don't know what you are talking about. Even in the village, it is not cooked that way. Seems you learnt from a Portuguese chef.

what village are you from??

Mariangeles:


Na wa o!

Which one we go come take bayi?

in a way its almost the same thing but it tastes different. The most you cook the afang leave the darker the soup gets. So we prefer it being green and you only get that if you don't cook the leave that is adding it immediately taking the pot off fire or taking off the heat immediately you add the leaves