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[quote author=t-pavilon link=topic=598625.msg7687443#msg7687443 date=1297125422]My advise is simple, do not speak bad against a man of God, even if he is not,how will you know,are you God. Christ embassy members should stop arguing unnecessarily after all you were trained,people have been saying this to Pastor but he has not replied so why are you disturbing yourself replying. Follow your Pastor as he follows God.[/quote]Tell them

@vanitty
A beg Tell them o

@  Azibalua
Please tell then o
you know l often wonder  what people see when they read scriptures  l have often said most of them read with oil stained eyes so all they see is one colour- an already preconceived notion rather than allowing "The Spirit of Truth" lead them into all truth
The bible says that everything that makes manifest is light--------Jesus Christ is the living and active logos of God possessing the ability to reveal truths little wonder Jesus speaking of the Holy Spirit said
John 16:13
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come"
How can someone read this kind of scripture and still say things like "---emm we don't know who is real or fake these  days coz even satan is using the name of God to deceive people----its only God who knows---" no,  all of such rhetoric are an expression of gross and pathetically chronic ignorance. How can you say you don't know when God who knows has given you His Spirit to not only teach you and assume you have learnt but is also committed to leading into all truth (there is nothing you want to know now as a Christian that you cannot know our problem is laziness)

the bible says all secret things belongs to God but those that He has revealed are for us and our children and mind you there are so much that has been revealed to u in scripture that we haven't exhausted yet and the Spirit of God is sufficiently available to helping us achieve it

Philippians 2:13
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure"

cold:
And wat xactly am i supposd to do wit this narrative u posted?

This is the old landmark paths and pattern by those "who through faith and patience obtained the promise---" so how else should the working of miracles be done if you believe in miracles then believe and don't be tempted to question it rather "---judge righteous judgement----" based on scripture

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he sad thing is that the people being used by these  spirits may mean well , but there are ignorant of the spirit using them. Remember the words of Jesus :

It reminds me of Saul of tarsus. He wrecked havoc of the churches. I can't wait for the day my bonboi will come out of his delusion him and the school teacher. .

cold:
What i can't fathom is;do these so called men of God set out to deliberately kill these people or do they think that by some chance they'll heal them?I beleive in miracles but the way it is practised by these con men

Please my dear how else should it be practised----------------------------------

Mark 1:40-42
"And there came a leper to him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, if thou wit, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, l will; be thou clean. And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed".

Mark 2:10-12
"But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins (he saith to the sick of the palsy) l say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion".

Mark 7:33-35
"And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit(hmmmm), and touched his tongue; And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain (somebody that was deaf now speaks PLAINLY)"

Mark 8:23
"And he took the bline man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had SPIT(hmmmm) on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, l see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly".

John 9:6-7
"When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing".

Please time will fail me Read these scripture
John 9
John 7

Acts 3:7
"And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength and he leaping up stood, and walked, and enetred with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God"

Acts 5:16
"There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which weere vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one"

Acts 9:34
"And peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately"

Acts 16:18
"And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, l command the in the anme of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour"

Acts 19:12
"So that from his body were brought unto the sick hankerchiefs or aprons, and the disease departed from them, and the evil spirit went out of them"

Acts 28:8
"And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him"

John 11:47-48
"Then gathered the cjief preist and the Pharisees a council, and said What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let thus alone, all men will believe on him---"

These men were Jews and in their own word "---children of Abraham----" yet in the sincerity of their ignorance they opposed him many of you won't do any different if you were in their days because that is exactly what you do today

The bible says "----ye err because ye know not the scriptures---"

LoveKing:
@newmi

you are a sinner. accept it.

Loveking! Loveking!! Loveking!!!
tell me
1. what qualifies a man to be a sinner
2. what is sin.

for the purpose of maintaining the focus of this thread a concern showed by SirJohn, l would give it as an assignment to you.
Loveking! Loveking!! Loveking!!!

SirJohn:
Jo, newmi and mabell seem to be shifting from the topic gradually

Oh no my dearest SirJohn every post is based on context, and we are still within the ambits and jurisdiction of the topic of discuss relative to replies from other contributors. Thank you for your concern

nuclearboy:
In that day, He will say unto many "I NEVER" knew you, workers of iniquity

Well said bonboi

KunleOshob:
@newmi
Preaching in Jesus name is NOT the same as preaching HIS gospel. Several false preachers like Oyaks just use his name to fufill their greedy motives, besides Christ never promised us material prosperity but rather he said it would be more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to enter the eye of a needle. The focus of Christianity is NOT material wealth, don't let oyaks lead you to hell.

And my dear kuns kuns you couldn't possibly be wrong YOU KNOW
BUT NOW PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KINDLY SUGEST TO ME AND TO THE ENTIRE FORUM BY NAME ANY PASTOR (EVEN IF ITS YOUR OWN) THAT YOU KNOW IN NIGERIA OR ELSEWHERE THAT IS A TRUE MAN OF GOD, SIMPLY MENTION ANY CHURCH YOU WOULD GLADLY WANT ANY GOD LOVING PERSON TO FELLOWSHIP IN AND WORSHIP TO GOD.

PLEAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AM WAITING PERHAPS YOU MAY WANT TO CONSULT MY NUCLEARBONBOI OR SOME CLOSE ALIE

SirJohn:
The bottom line of your rantings above still agrees with what we're saying i.e christians can and do get sick; you may get better by trusting solely on God for a healing or you take medications for it. It makes no difference at all

you keep ranting about divine health but you have refused to provide any scriptural evidence to support your claim; I'll suggest you stick to nuclearboy's advice and stop reading ROR instead of your bible

loll   anybody who claims in suggesting that anything is wrong with the ROR devotional and for the most part a book that encourages readers to study the bible must have develop a severe brain condition generated by an accumulation of personal grudge and hatred or perhaps he or she is yet to see a copy of the devotional.

Sure you are not far from the truth the point is that a Christian could fall sick and in fact die sick and even go to heaven but the truth is that the perfect will of God for the one who believes in Jesus Christ is to share in the God kind of life and l don't think anybody is suggesting that God could be sick now the fact that their experiences are in the opposite direction does not in effect render the authenticity of the reality of God's perfect will regarding that issue.

Jesus made a very profound statement in John 17:3 which l for many year have regarded as a definition of eternal life because l have had to think: why do some Christians suffer and live sorry lives, defeated, oppressed and always victims then l found out here that the much of God and eternal life you'll enjoy and function in hitherto constituting your everyday Christian experience is relative to the much of God and Jesus Christ you have come to know through the word.

John 17:3
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent"

3 John vs 2
"Beloved, l wish above all things that thou mayest proper and BE IN HEALTH, even as your soul propereth".


Romans 8:2
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the the law of sin and death"
Well allow me to pause and say this; the Grk word translated "death" here is the word-thanato which is an adjective used as a noun literally or figuratively meaning death. Literal death could mean a cessation of life thus terminating continuity in existence on this terrestrial plain of reality then figuratively it could bear any of the synonyms ranging from sickness, disease, failure, defeat, bondage, slavery etc. sickness is death and in Christ Jesus the Christian has been freed from it----question : was Jesus ever sick?

most times l wonder when you people read scripture what comes to your minds hush this is not ROR argument now this is the word as an inspired rhetoric of the Holy Ghost (2 Timothy 3:16)

2 Peter 1:3-4
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers (shares) of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust"

Oh that the eyes of your understanding be flooded with light!
Question
1. What is the divine nature?
2. How do we partake in it?
3. Oh we have escaped the corruption that’s in the world, what is this/these corruption
4. Who has this divine life?
5. A sharer of the divine has sickness as part of the package?

Wake up from thy slumber

KunleOshob:
Pastor Joe, how can a whole pastor who is supposed to be knowledgeable about the scriptures make a statement such as above? How can you compare Jesus with a common crooked criminal just becos of your belly, you no dey fear God? Did Jesus himself not warn that several false teachers like Oyaks would preach in his name since when did preaching christ become the criteria for determining a follower of christ? Did Jesus not tell us that we would know his true follwers by their fuits and their works?

Wait a minute mr. Kuns Kuns there is nothing wrong with that statement don't be narrow minded, it is a relational statement; the man preaches Christ and you say he is fake then it only imply that you are invariably insinuating that the Christ who constitutes the basis of his preaching is "fake" as well. It is same when l say that a Christian who lives a beggarly, defeated and sorry life, beaten and oppressed by Satan, that such a Christian is "making Jesus a failure" because such a life defeats the ultimate purpose behind his coming.
"---am come that they might have life and have it to the full--", "---was made manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil--"
it doesn't mean that Jesus is a failure because he couldn't be rather it is a logical statement one in computer programming we'll call an "if-then-else" statement

We have asked them time without number , if you say pastor chris is fake, show us some icy that is a genuine man of God to listen to. Even if Na your pastor, give us a name. You can't call something fake without recommending for us an original for replacement.

^^^^
intercession is one of the priestly duty of every christian. Its time you guys embrace the true gospel .
Zikkky pls do me a Favor by explaining this scripture

1 Timothy 2:1
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,[ and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

The bonboi has too much milk between his teeth. .

noetic16:
another biblical ignoramus. there is a huge difference between soul winning and evangelism . . . .Jesus taught and evangelized to thousands at once, how many of them got saved?
evangelism is making people aware of God's plan of salvation . . .soul winning remains the exclusive preserve of God. I dont expect oyaks to teach u this , . .cos there is no reason to believe that oyaks himself is saved.

lolll imagine how narrow your brain is and twisted your mind is in properly articulating biblical thoughts lolll
yes how could they be saved, its only a dumb fellow oblivious of biblical truths and the significance of the strategic but very symbolic transition between the old order and the new order brought into effect by the shameful death, burial and glorious resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, that would expect them to be saved.
The preaching of Jesus was an announcement and an invitation for the Jews to accepting God's provisional measure for a final sacrificial lamb for their redemption in place to the imperfect permissive willed sacrifices of bull and goats for their atonement. Wait a minute Jesus came as the messiah of the Jews not of the whole world "---Baruk kabar shem adonai---Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord", "----and he shall save his people from their sins---" but when the Jews rejected him the opportunity fell on the gentiles "---He came to his own but his own received him not but as many that received to them he gave power to become the sons of God---"

ok tell me the difference between both!

@nuclearbonboi
Wake up

@nuclearboy, noetic16

noetic16:
where in the bible is this stated? can anyone win a soul? do u know what soul winning is?

nuclearboy:
@noetic:

Long time Where is Dafidi the Man of War?

Don't mind these ignorant people. Even their oga knows nothing of God's Word. He just copies anything Copeland and Hinn say and repackages for his ROR.

where are all this dumb fellas coming from how can a whole you my nuclearbonboi be supporting the aguement that soul winning is not needed or required
so what is the essence of our preaching and evangelism or how else can you explain "go ye to all the world and preach the gospel to all nation"

bonboi l remember asking you if you read your bible with oil stained eyes and maybe you judge scripture with your brain wet because your spirit seem practically dead when it come to understanding.

sorry my boy as always be comforted am praying for you

nuclearboy:
Just his leg? Ordinary leg? smallest thing for the MOG!

I'm sure the "god" would have cured that by now and doesn't even need legs. He will simply fly

Well if you must know not just a leg he had had instances in the past of serious health challenge but the man had to put to effect what the word of God says.One instance l had Pastor Chris give and inspiring testimony of himself how that he was so very sich that he was hospitalized but he said "nothing could make me change my confession" Why because the reality of what the word of God says is more important than the feeling or pain felt or experienced in the body and he got healed.

Now its healing is divine even if it comes by the aid of medical procedures because God himself is source and origin of all wisdom.
He has testimony of his wife and daughter in instances where they had to believe God for a miracle of healing but his experiences does not negate the reality of the word of God, God's ultimate provision for his children is divine health whether that is your experience is not God's responsibility but ours.

I have my own personal testimonies of God's miraculous healing grace. Perhaps l should have been deaf today but thank God for his grace. Nobody said sickness will not come for instance if you don't live a healthy life, if you careless about some basic issues of personal health then sickness may come and your health may fail. The point is that the life we have recived at new birth in christ Jesus by the Holy Ghost is an incorruptable life because it proceeds from God so the ultimate is divine haelth but if you fall sick, the healing power if God is available.
John 10:10
"The thief cometh not but for to steal to kill and to destroy but l am come that they might have life and have to the full"

1 Peter 1:24
"Being born again not of corruptable seed, but of incorruptable, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

There is the possibility that God could allow or permit the passing away of a saint on a sick bed or state but that is not His perfect will rather it could be a permissive will
in all of the scripture there was/is no record to sugest that Jesus Christ was ever sick especially after the Holy Ghost came upon Him. But yes he was weak, hungry, tired

SirJohn:
@newmi, there is more than one instance in the bible where God allowed some seemingly unfortunate situations to have its way on his children to remind them of his omnipotence. you're simply spewing out garbage you heard from Chris.

" there is more than one instance in the bible where God allowed some seemingly unfortunate situations" Good He didn't bring it, it was/is the devil that brings it, now because the hedge is/could have been broken then the sapent bites

SirJohn:
Thats because folks like you who say its possible cannot provide any substantial scriptural evidence. Moreover, it is on record that all the proponents of this false belief have in one way or the other been humbled by God with one ailment or the other at some point in the course of their belief, one of them is your pastor the author of this article; some died in such ailment, I'll give you the list if you want

For starters my dear SirJohn God doesn't "humble" His kids with sickness or any other unpleasant experience, the devil simply takes advantage to occassions when we're caught off gaurd.
"When men slept the enemy came and planted weed, "

Well He is because Jealousy is feature of possessive love and God is love. The jealousy of God over us is my secuity for life such that He wll not share me with sickness, failure, defeat, shame, opression, , the devil because the bilbe says that "---ye are bought witha price, therefore glorify God n your body and your spirit which are the Lord's"

Question: Who qualifies to be addressed as an unbeliever and in what?
Because the man you may consider to be an unbeliever relative to what you believe may be a believer in something else that you yourself don't believe in thus qualifying you as an unbeliever to him.

God does not raise, train or discipline his kids with apparatus and tools inconsistent with His love nature towards us, He does not contradicts His love commitment to us.

@Joagbaje
please will it be right for me to say that the "worse" God can do is to "allow" sometimes certain things and situations that may not be apparently pleasant to come by the way of His kids only for a purpose, thus giving credence to the scripture

"All things work together for good to them that love God and to them that are the called according to His purpose"

But that those not mean that they came from God. They came from the devil intended for our defeat but God allowed them only for our promotion.

Azibalua:
@newmi
What does the 'M' stand for

In programming terms it is a dommy variable as much as it constitutes a syntax error meaning it was not conceived in the framing of the picture of that post thank you

Wisom is the principal thing and Christ has been made unto wisdom

Thank God for Everything In the Name of Jesus Christ
Ephesians 5:20
"Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Amazing! The bible says we should gives thanks to God and our Father for all things not for somethings you know like we thank God when the doings are good and complain when the goinds seem wrough and unexpectedly tough
rather the bible says for everything and always. And l think the scripture in Romans 8:28 validates and ratifies the admonish in Ephesains 5:20
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

So it doesn't matter you might be going through right now it is a demonstration of your faith and trust in God to give Him thanks and praises even in crisis times especially when we consider that the fact that the God we serve is Alfa and Omega and He knows all things and has details of the future.

To worry isn't a show of responsibility rather its a demonstration of distrust and a lack of convidence in the ability of God and His word.

Trust God today and make giving Him thanks an everyday activity and watch your life grow and improve on a geometric scale.
God Bless you.

oh sure he does

Hebrews 4:15
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as[ we are, yet] without sin.

Psalms 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

Psalms 37:13
The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.


And even more interesting for me is the fact l have countless seen Him smile at me, embrace me during certain dept of fellowshipping Him and His loving presence and l have felt Him show gestures of concern during crisis times. You know the fact that God is emotional is what makes relating with Him by the Holy Ghost interesting and mutually dynamic.

Important note, yes God is touched by the feelings of our infirmities but He is not moved by our emotions He can only be moved by our faith.

@Loveking
You see my dear sorry you can't, hmmmmm for a number of reasons
1. The Anti-Christ won't be wishing to be what he already is
2. The Anti-Christ is already in the world
3. Your username perhaps should change first because the Anti-Christ has nothing to do with love rather he has wickedness wrapped up in deceit

@Lovemking
You have a lovely username perhaps you should match it up with decent comments and posts because you see love is decent and edifying. Thank you

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Jen33:
From what I've seen, nothing really changes in ''born again'' people. Sure they attend more religious meetings, become more preachy, and want to pray everywhere they go.

But they are not visibly more giving, kinder to others, or more willing to forgo their enjoyment for the benefit of others. Neither are they any less materialistic, or less inclined to join the military etc etc.

So there's very little evidence of any sort of heightened spirituality among 'born again' people. There's more a SHOW of being righteous, but beneath that, there's nothing.

Oh sorry for your experiences, you seem to have almost always find yourself flanking ways with the wrong sets perhaps you are yet to meet some of us. Be that as it may, the mind of an individual does not automatically changes almost immediately he or she is bornagain (and mind you born again is not same as repentance), the transformation of the mind is a process and not an instance because the mind feeds on information and this mind in question has been feeding on stuffs that do not edify for as long as he or she can remember these information cannot vanish over night no thats magic hence the experience is not real thats why we say that christianity is a life. For instance, if you used to have a boy-friend or girl-friend prior to the time you got born again, the mere fact that you are now born again does not obliterate the tons and tons of informations you have deligently accummulated all these duration of shared mutual intimacy, or would it?

But the bible which is our instruction manual and guilde provides us a veritable solution
Romans 12:2
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God".
it is interesting to note that the Greek word translated "renewing" here is <anakainosis> which means renewal by an activity of renovation ; renovation is not spontaneous rather its a process

Ephesians 4:23
"And be renewed in the spirit of your mind".
in this context the choice of Greek word used to communicate the intent of the author from whence the English "renewed" [/i]was translated from is [i]"<ananeoo>" which has amongst several synonyms an interesting one-reform
so when the bible says "---be renewed in the spirit of your mind" the implication is that your mind already has a supposed predefined "form" [/b]so now[i] "give" [/i]it a new form, alter the settings and configurations how: the word of God is the key and agency of/for any meaningfull change.

The issue now is that in the course of this [b]"renovation and reformation" [/b]process which could be regarded also as the[b] "the process of growth and maturity" like in a child errors and mistakes are not unexpected hitherto the apostle said[b] "---when l was a child l spoke like a child, but now that am old l put childish things behind"[/b]

And l love this scripture that captures the character of a child
Proverbs 20:11
"Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right".
There's what is know as "the doings of a child" things that are indicative of the character of the person a child, why because he/she is a child

You see many people don't know what chirstianity is all about because they don't take the descipline to study and meditate on the word of God, they just pounce on issues and make open their folly and ignorance

When a Christian makes mistakes it is foolishness and a show of ignorance for one to conclude that they are not genuinely born again, what means it that you have a Christian who is still a babe (child)

Galasians 4:1-2
"Now I say, that the heir, as long as he is a child, different nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father”.

The child will be given to tutors- there is no need for tutors if perfection has been attained and that does not annul, abrogate, nullify, discredit, or disqualify them from being legitimate sons or daughters of their father

free123:
@kunle
keep up the fight since its all about showing people the truth.

Who gave him fight to fight ? Can a man fight God?