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@poster
Don't make a blanket statement; that is unwise, talk from your own experiences, there is now "we" rather "you have been deceived". Because how can l be deceived when l have a bible and the Holy Spirit infactuation it is "a betrayal of fellowship" tou accept that l as a christian can been deceived. No not possible at all so kindly speak for yourself.

sorry you sound like an uneducated person because now person who has been within the four walls of a school would ever make such a statement about pastors in the manner you did. SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU DO YOUR PRAYER ---

louisadiks:
PART 5.DIAGRAM B AND C. HOW WOULD AN UNREGENERATE MAN BE TRULY BORN AGAIN?

Since God cannot change our flesh, He gave us New Life through Christ Jesus. As the word of God is being preached or studied, the Spirit of God is always there to convict us of sin that we might yield to repentance. As we respond to His call, He draws us to God and God becomes our Father. Let us then look at diagram C above to see what happens to us as we yield our lives to Christ. The first action is by hearing the word of God.
The scripture states in Rom 10:17: So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Faith does not come when you hear but when you keep hearing. The word ‘Hearing ‘is in the continuous tense. Therefore as we keep hearing the scriptures faith will arise for our salvation. The devil has designed a lot to keep the ears of the unbelievers and carnal believers busy day and night so that he can channel their faith to his bidding. We should endeavor to guard and circumcise our ears and hearts sanctified to hear Him and His word then our faith will arise to follow and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
We must ensure that we hear the true word of God knowing that every word we take into our soul and body system will begin to transform us into the nature of that word. That is, if we are hearing the words of men we shall be transformed to the nature of a man rather than the nature of Christ .This days we see many believers talking, preaching, dressing and praying like their pastors. Sorry they have taken the wrong word.
The scripture says in Rev 13:17-18. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that hath the mark, or the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six .The number 666 is the nature of a man, the name of a man and the number of a man. It is the nature of the beast, the name of the beast and the number of the beast. Therefore as we look on to Christ the Author and Finisher of our faith we see our self make it into Eternal life. The God kind of faith does not come when you listen to the words of men. It comes when you constantly listen to the word of God. When you hear the word of God which part of YOU is it addressed to? Is it addressed to your spirit, your soul or to you body?
The scripture in John 6:63 states: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life. The word of God is addressed to our spirit man and as it gets there it produces life. The words of men can only be addressed to mans’ brain/ intellect or mind. And man is a soul. He possesses a spirit and lives in a body. He is made conscious of his existence by the works of his soul. The elements of our soul which makes us humans are our mind that is our intellect, desires, wills emotions. Let me go further to explain the formation of man’s soul at the beginning because if we know who we are, what we are, and what our creator Christ Jesus had called us to be, we will arise and take up the challenged.
This why the Lord said in Hosea 4:6 : My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge I will also reject thee that thou shall be o priest to me :seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God , I will also forget thy children.

l thought the question is How Would An Unregenerate Man Be Truly Born Again? so why the trips simply drop the bomb and let and "unregenerated man" be transformed because lf don't think he'll been interested in the several seemingly irrellivant details- STAY ONE THE HOW

Congratulation Jo and to all those who antagonized you in this forum-----may God bless them this year o

SirJohn:
Since you were enlightened by the article, and you went ahead to make it bare; I believe you share his convictions. so you may have to defend it

I still insist, but be that as it may the article is there for everyone to view and whether or not you are enlightened by it it’s a personal choice otherwise you leave it. Thank you

offence? no, this what this forum is all about and thank you for your valuable contribution which undoubtedly wins my agreement in the most explicit sense.

But one perspective l was viewing from was that of a christian who though he/she by virtue of the new birth has the very life and nature of God and hetherto by default acts and functions same as God would without any inquisitive premeditation as regards what God would or would not do, yet because of ignorance of the detail of the quality of that life, finds their everyday experience heading the opposite direction in which case such a christian discovers " oh this is how God lives and functions and amd suppose to have His life and nature as it were so why is my life heading in this direction, no l make a discission for a change today in consonant with the inherent nature and life of God in me then at that point can by impulse acts and live the "God life" which requires no trying in effort.

You know just thinking about this l recall to mind thed admonistion of the prophet concern Israel in captivity "---let Jerusalem come tou your heart"

thank you once again l wouldly appreciate more of your views consequently, look forward tou hearing from you soon.

Bomboy ,
let me ask you a question.What are you doin in religious section? I've not see any thread by you to edify. Except you are doing   Dirty job for altheia, Kunleosho and now sister mod. Since you no sabi bible , why not go to other sections . This place be too holy for people like you Na. Ehn! If you wan modulus, modulus well well for secular section.

Sir John,
don't direct the question to me direct it to ogoamaka. I only followed the link he posted and made it open for all to read.

:p :p :p

Bomboy,
Are you ashame of your assignment? If she no send you why she dey praise you for foolish yab. I have wondered How come she abandoned the interview since that day and didnt comment on the bomboy ugly action or repremand the bomboy , or ban the bomboy or demand apology from the bomboy or at least offer apology on behalf of bomboy by saying " this is not what we send am o" she pretended and disappear . Now she praise bomboy openly. I agree with Joagbaje that bomboy is on errand as usuall with madam backing by turning blind eye , since interview lost it's intended :Ppurpose .

Proverbs 24:11-12
"If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; if thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? And he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works"

l wish to invite all concerned Christians on NairaLand to show some love in praying for the unfortunate men, women, children both old and young displaced in Australia no thanks to the floods that has and still is wrecking the entire country. Please let pray that aid and support will come to them and also we pray for supernatural deliverances for people, such that people would have experiences of help that could only be by the hand of God.

Let’s pray that this incident would turn out a vital tonic in inspiring the people of Australia to embrace the reality of their need and dependency on God as they open their hearts to accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ

Finally, lets pray for that all those who might have lost dear ones and close relatives will be comforted by God's Spirit.
2 Corinthians 1:2-4
"Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Zodiac61:
The western world is where the money is. It seems that every third Nigerian in the UK these days is a pastor.
Nigerians always follow the money. Besides the rich need salvation more than the poor (unless, of course, you are a pastor, man of god or whatever those parasites call themselves these days).

Just look at your life in the mirror of "Sincere-Self-Evaluation" can you see how confused you are? you know l always ask myself what people like you are doing in this forum perhaps you should sort for yourself forums that accommodates pathetically confused kinds like you who pounce on every available opportunity to vent their accumulated frustrations. How can you be calling pastors parasites then you must be a parasitic fungus after all not all parasite are solely hazardous there are mutually symbiotic parasitic organisms.

The Western world you claim are rich what do we here is happening to them; people more than ever living in uncertainty, fear and worries has made a sanctuary of their trouble sick hearts, young and old risking their lives protesting on the street etc or are you so poverty stricken that you can't afford at least a transitor radio? Is that what you consider in all your sense of judgement as being rich? Sorry l pity for future and the future
of all those to whom you may be responsible for because your sense of judgement seem to have been malignantly corrupted.


For your information there are several pastors and Christians alike who are sacrificially committed to preaching the gospel in less privileged and developing nations like Sudan, Togo, Eretria, Somalia, Mozambique etc so wake up young boy and do something quick with your God given live so that it will count for something rather than sit by your computer making vapour statements without substance

This is not a contest, GEJ has won this because its his time to take advantage of opportunity and make his name count in the anals of Nigeria history

I followed ogoamaka's link. It's quite enlightening.

REAL BIBLICAL MEANING OF TITHE OR TITHING!
  I have been saying it, one of the great tragedies of religion section of Naira Land Forum is that some religious ignoramus and vagabonds, self professed atheists and satanic worshippers are distorting Biblical Truth and posting such obnoxious materials before the public.
  One of such posting are on tithing. Therefore I am not trying to argue over this topic with them but to PRESENT TO YOU THE REAL BIBLICAL MEANING AND TRUTH OF TITHING. So if you are sincere and wish to know the real truth about tithing then follow me step by step as we X-ray this subject matter and what the Bible said about it. I pray that your eyes of understanding could be opened as you read this write up. With due respect to KunleOshob and Igbogolo and co, I wish that they could take time and read  down the line and allow the Holy Spirit to teach them new things in addition to what they thought they knew about tithing. Many people including many MOG are ignorant of the meaning and essence of tithing that is why they view tithe as avenue to raise money and put food on their table and clothes on their body. I will equally start by quoting John chapter 8:32 “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”. I want you to ponder over this, “the only way truth shall be able to set you free is if and only if you KNOW the truth”. What you don’t know you will never practice and what you don’t practice will never profit you. Ask yourself, what is TRUTH and what happens when what you earlier knew and held and practiced as the truth are nothing but half truth or lies from the devil?. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You will never know the truth which you don’t seek to know and it is my prayer that GOD will destroy your ignorance permanently so that you move forward in pursuit of your destiny.  Forget about what you thought you knew about tithe and put aside your mind set about my person. I am presenting to you the raw truth. The issue of tithe should never be the subject of our vote, but rather is what you need to fully understand and be fully persuaded in your life. You should never pay or not pay tithe based on popular or minority votes.
    Having said that, I wish to point out again that tithing is one of the pillar upon which kingdom prosperity stands upon, that is, tithing is one of the spiritual key to access kingdom prosperity. The devil knew this very well and that is why he is using his agents and followers to distort the real truth about it. His plan and essence is to prevent people from having the real understanding about tithe as not to practice it. Those who knew and had correct knowledge and understanding about tithe never joke with it and are enjoying the blessings that go with it. While those who don’t have the understanding are busy making mockery of tithing and equally talking and writing against it. It is therefore a matter of who you choose to believe his report, whether the report of GOD or the report of the devil.
    Coming to the subject matter of tithing, we shall seek to understand it by looking at it under the following major headings: (1) What is tithe or tithing and when did tithing started in the Bible? Is tithing a law or commandment?  
(2) Who should pay tithe and where should we pay tithe? Is tithing for us today?
(3) Does tithing involve only money?
(4) Does men of GOD suppose to pay tithe?
(5) Finally we shall equally look at the principles and practice of tithing both in the Bible and today.
(1)    WHAT IS TITHING AND WHEN DID THE ISSUE OF TITHING START IN THE BIBLE? Until you have a correct knowledge and understanding about tithe and equally views tithe in its correct perceptive, you may end up wasting your resources in the name of paying tithe. Tithe or Tithing first appeared in the Bible in Genesis 14:20-22 .Here we are told that Abraham gave Melchizedek tithe of all. And in GENESIS 28:22 Jacob defined what tithe is all about from the vow he made to GOD, “And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be GOD’S house and all that you give me I will SURELY GIVE a tenth to you.”. So we see from the above scriptures that tithe or tithing started in the book of Genesis even before the law was given or before the law came into force in EXODUS, This means that tithing existed before the law was given and is therefore not a law or commandment.
Having seen that tithing is not a law or commandment, what then is the spiritual meaning and essence of tithing? Tithing is simply a covenant obligation which those in the covenant practices TO APPRECIATE GOD AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE RESOURCES THAT THEY ARE PAYING TITHE FROM CAME FROM GOD, “and all that you give me , I will surely give a tenth to you” ( Genesis 28:22). In other words tithing is about the covenant or is rooted in the covenant relationship with GOD. That means that when you pay your tithe you are simply expressing your dependence on GOD and is telling GOD that you ACKNOWLEDGE that HE is the ONE that gave you the resources or the power to get the wealth or resources in which the tithe is been paid from. That is to say paying tithe is but expressing your total dependency on GOD and acknowledgement of HIM as the sources of the resources you are paying tithe from. Those who are not paying tithe are simply saying in their heart, “My power and the might of my hand have gained me this wealth.” (DEUT.:8:17)While when you pay tithe you are saying or remembering the LORD your GOD, for it is He who gives you power to get the wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your father as it is this day.” (DEUT.8:18) Simply put it or illustrate it: Paying tithe is just like you buying a packet of biscuit for your boy and as your boy opened the packet to eat it you requested from him to give you one piece of biscuit from the packet of ten. How do you feel if the boy refuses to give you or decide to give you half instead of one full? You didn’t request from the boy to give you not that you are hungry or want to eat his biscuit but you want to prove what is in the heart of the boy. In other words GOD is not demanding tithe from you not that He is hungry or in need of your money or resources but that He may prove what is in your heart, whether you acknowledge Him as the source of that resource from which He is demanding tithe payment from. One thing that is worth to mention is that tithing is never in the mind of GOD as an avenue to raise money or to put food on the table for ministers as many hungry pastors has bastardized it. It is highly unfortunate and that is why you always see such ignorant, lazy and hungry pastors always on the pulpit begging their members to pay tithe. Tithe payment must flow from one’s heart voluntarily in appreciation and acknowledgment of GOD not that one is coerced or compelled to do so. No one who has correct understanding of tithe could ever be pleaded to pay ones tithe.
 
(2) WHO SHOULD PAY TITHE? IS THITHING FOR US TODAY? Having seen that tithing is not a law or commandment a voluntary covenant obligation that those in the covenant practices to appreciate GOD. It means that tithing is only for those who are in the covenant i.e. covenant people of GOD and not for everybody. That is why in the old covenant GOD expected only His covenant people Israel to tithe not from the gentiles. Who are those in the covenant? Those in the covenant are the spiritual Israel and the physical Israel. The physical Israel are the Jews while the spiritual Israel are the born again Christians. So if you are not in the covenant never bother to waste you money in the name of paying tithe as GOD is not expecting tithe from your hand. In other words if you are in the covenant and you are not paying tithe because those not in the covenant are talking against it and making mockery of it, you are living a risky and dangerous life and you need to repent. That is to say you must be one of those in the covenant to qualify to pay tithe in other to reap the benefits that goes with tithing. It then means that so far GOD’S covenant still exist and so far we still maintain covenant relationship with GOD the tithing is for us today. As I said earlier tithing is never an avenue to put food on the table for your pastor (even though pastors could benefit from tithe payment). Therefore if you are viewing tithe as money you are giving to MOG or your pastors you are wrong and you can never reap the benefit that goes with tithing,      
   For emphasis and to answer the question as to whether tithe is for us today, it is necessary to ask yourself this question: Since tithe is rooted in covenant relationship with GOD, the question is “DOES GOD STILL HAS A COVENANT RELATIONSHIP WITH US TODAY?  If the answer is “no” then we have nothing to do with tithing, but if “yes” then tithing is for us today. The next question to answer yourself is; DO YOU HAVE A COVENANT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?
(3) WHERE SHOULD WE PAY TITHE? Again Genesis 28:22 gave us the answer, “And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be GOD’S HOUSE, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.” So we are to pay tithe into the house of GOD, see also Malachi 3:10.We are never to give our tithe to any MOG or pastor but paid into the house of GOD. The next thing to consider is what happens after paying our tithe? I must point out that one of the ways the devil try to rob many of the benefit or blessing that goes with tithing is our trying to poke nose into the way and manner tithe paid are used in the house of GOD i.e. they try to know what happens to the tithe they paid, and by so doing the devil corrupt their mind by telling them that the pastor is using their tithe for their private or personal benefits. This is a wrong perceptive of tithing. Since it is not to the pastor you paid tithe to but to GOD, you should remove your mind as to how it is used or misused, It is GOD that will punish the person that misuses GOD’S tithe and not you. All you know is that you have performed your covenant obligation and should expect the reward or blessing that goes with it from GOD.  
 (4) DOES TITHING ONLY INVOLVE MONEY? No tithing does not involve only money .We are to tithe from the resources that came our way, whether from farm crops, if you are a crop farmer or from animal if you are an animal farmer or from the fruits from our farm. See the definition of tithe again in Genesis 28:22, “ And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be GOD’S house and ALL THAT YOU GIVE ME  I WILL SURELY GIVE TENTH TO YOU”. However, money issue came into picture in tithing in DEUT. 14:22-29. Here GOD gave the instruction that resources mentioned above (animals, crops, wine, fruits etc) could be exchanged for money see verse25. That is to say a farmer is free to pay tithe from the physical items from his or her farm such as chicken or live animals, crops or fruits etc. But if he sells those items, he could pay tithe of money proceeds from the sells.i.e.from what he realized from the sales. Many farmers prefer to pay tithe of money because it is easy to calculate tithe from money proceeds. For example, a farmer who has four ram from his farm, how do you expect him to pay tithe of live ram from that four collection? But if he sells the four rams he could pay tithe from the proceeds from the sells.
    (5) DOES MEN OF GOD SUPPOSE TO PAY TITHE? The answer is capital YES, MOG should be the first to pay tithe. Any MOG who does not pay tithe suffers the same fate if not more than lay people that are not paying tithe. Today ask any successful MOG and they will reveal to you that one of their secrets of success is rooted in their faithfulness in their tithe obligations. Some of them that understand the secret covenant of tithing pay more than 10% of the resources that comes their way as tithe. However ignorant pastors who don’t understand the meaning of tithe, who don’t pay tithe themselves because they view tithe as a means of raising money to keep food on their table. Such pastors are always seen struggling begging their members to pay their tithe. See Numbers 18:25-28; Nehemiah 10:38
 
USES OF TITHE: In the Bible GOD commanded on how proceeds from tithe should be used:
(a) The first reason GOD demanded His covenant people to pay tithe is that there be meat in the house of GOD ( Malachi 3:10)
(b) The second reason or uses of tithe is to maintain the Levites(MOG).Resources from tithe could be used to pay the salaries of MOG as well as their other welfare needs. Numbers 18:28; DEUT, 12:17-19; DEUT. 14:22-29; 2CHR.31:5-10; NEHEMIAH 12:44; 13: 12
(c) The third uses are   to take care of the fatherless, strangers, and widowers etc., see DEUT. 26:13
     FINALLY PRINCIPLES AND PRACTICE TITHING IN THE BIBLE AND TODAY    
     {OR TERMS NOF THE COVERNMENT OF TITHING}
       Tithing as a covenant practice has a laid down rules or terms governing it. You must abide or fulfill the terms of the covenant before you can reap the benefit or blessing that goes with it. 
       The first principle is that you must be qualified to pay tithe (you must be in the covenant, you must be born again).Those who have no covenant relationship with GOD are not expected or required to pay tithe. So the first thing GOD expects from you before you start to pay tithe is to enter into a covenant relationship with HIM-get born again.
      Secondly tithing must be paid correctly and from the dept of your heart not as if you are been forced or compelled to do so. Some ignorantly use number six (natural reasoning) in treating tithe matter. As a result, they just give any thing as tithe. For emphasis, tithe is not just any amount; it must be 10% of the resources that comes your way. The principle is that you must be faithful to compute your tithe obligation correctly before GOD can accept it and bless you back. Remember GOD is not in need or a beggar. HE knows the resources that came your way and the tithe you suppose to pay. (Remember the offering of CAIN and ABEL in Genesis!)
     I wish to point out that one need to be very careful in dealing with tithe issue so that the devil will not rob us the benefit of tithing by refusing to tithe simply because some so called MOG are abusing proceeds of tithing. Yes it is true some lazy and ignorant and self appointed MOG are abusing tithe payment. They are ignorant of the meaning and essence of tithe that is why they view tithe as avenue to raise money and put food on their table. You will see and know such MOG by their constant coercing and begging their members to pay their tithe. For emphasis tithe payment must never be coerced, forced or begged for. It must flow or paid willingly or it will not be accepted. by GOD.
 
  WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON’T PAY MY TITHE?  Before looking at what happens if I don’t pay my tithe, let us look at what happens if I faithfully pay my tithe; The answer is in MALACHI  Chapter 3 verses 10 to 12:  (1) First GOD said  HE will open the windows of heaven and pour you a blessing……, ”
(2) Secondly, GOD said HE will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your grounds…, ”
    In other words, if you don’t pay your tithe, you will never enjoy the full blessings GOD in your life. Secondly you will continue to suffer under the bondage of the devourer.
                      MALACHI CHAPTER 3 VERSES 8 TO 12
             
It is important to look at Malachi 3: 8 – 12. These verses are so miss understood and misinterpreted even by many MOG .Some lazy and ignorant pastors uses the above portion of the Bible to coerce their members to part with their resources in the name of paying tithe. The reason is that the view tithing as an avenue to raise money and put food on their table. This is totally a wrong interpretation and view of Malachi 3:8 -12.
   It is necessary to read that book of Malachi 3 from verses one to the end (Malachi 3:1 – end) you will see that GOD was trying to rebuke HIS people Israel through prophet Malachi  for their defrauding or not keeping to their covenant duties or covenant obligations of tithe and offerings.
Some   earlier writers like Kunleoshob and Igbogolo and co, were trying to interpret Malachi 3:8-12 for us using Numbers 18: 25-28. This is totally false and wrong interpretation. I am not saying this to undermine or belittle their write-up because they may be sincere in what they wrote as their writing WAS BASED ON THEIR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF TITHING.
In their write-up they were trying to prove to us that the rebuke of Malachi 3:8-12 was directed to the LEVITES and not to the whole ISRAEL, This is not true; Malachi 3 GOD was rebuking the entire Israel and not the Levites alone. Let us look at Malachi chapter 3 from vs. 1 closely for proper understanding of the chapter vs. 1 “Behold I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly come to His temple, EVEN THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts , ”  From vs 1 to vs 5, Malachi was referring to a messenger of the covenant that GOD said will come to direct the people of Israel  back to their covenant duties and obligations and what the messenger shall do on his appearing. Let us look at verse 6, “For I am LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” When GOD said ye sons of Jacob, is HE referring to Levites alone or the whole sons of Jacob (Israel)? Verse 7 “ Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from ordinances(covenant obligations) and have not kept them, Return unto me , and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of Hosts, But ye said, wherein shall we return,,,”? Is this verse referring to the Levites alone or is it not directed to the whole Israel?
Verse 8, GOD showered them the covenant ordinance (covenant practice, covenant obligations) they should return –TITHES AND OFFERINGS. Verse 9 clearly show us who GOD was referring to, whether LEVITES OR THE WHOLE Israel who HE said was robbing HIM, “Ye are cursed with a course: For ye have robbed me, EVEN THIS WHOLE NATION”.
            LIVE EXPERIENCE: There is live experience of tithing I wish to share here; there is a brother I call his name Chris, a Mechanical Engineering graduate. After his youth service he was with a job for almost a year. He was living on welfare and help from brethren. His pastor called him one day and advised him to organize private lessons for secondary school students preparing for exams. He did just that and the amount he was realizing was enough to feed himself and that reduced his begging for assistance. He was faithful paying tithe from what he realized from the lesson. After two years he secured an employment with an oil servicing company and his salary was fantastic and he was faithful paying his tithe. However after three years of working in oil servicing company he got another job with an oil company with salary double his earlier salary. He was happy and continues to worship GOD, paying his tithe faithfully. After two years he switched over to another company, this time around he was paid in dollars in which conversion his tithe every month runs into hundreds of thousands. It was then that he felt that the amount was too much to pay as tithe; he started to default in paying his tithe. He started giving any amount as tithe. According to him, the Holy Spirit warned him severally but he refused to heed the warning, Eventually after two years and four months he was fired i.e. he lost his job. He was without job for six good months and his eyes got opened and he ran to his pastor (the church) seeking for prayers with a vow to GOD to be paying 20% as tithe if GOD could have mercy and grant him another job. GOD been faithful had mercy on him and granted him another job. However the salary he was paid was 40% less than the job he lost. The essence of this story is to show you that paying tithe is for your own good not to help GOD or any MOG. Remember GOD is never in need neither the MOG you think you are helping by paying your tithe.
      In concluding this write-up, I wish to ask you, are you paying your tithe faithfully? If yes, are you convinced of the reason for paying it . Are you in the covenant?. You are not paying tithe, is it because those not in the covenant are talking against it and making mockery of tithe payment?, I hope I have shown you the reason why you should pay or not pay tithe. It is left for you to decide. A word is enough for the wise.
     Final word: I have taking time to present to you the raw biblical truth about tithing. If you have any question, you can contact me through one of my e-mail address: vinogoamaka99@ yahoo.com OR ogoamaka99@gmail.com

@noetic16
So young man or young woman since you seem to know Pastor Chris very well and scriptures about bearing fruits, please could you kindly enumerate clearly the fruits he has been bearing that informed your bold and open unequivocal declaration that the man "is not of God"

Please am waiting for you particularly, between me and you lets sort this out. GBAM!

@noetic16

Today l will begin to share some couple of my thoughts born out of my personal moments of fellowship with the Holy Spirit, trusting God that somebody would learn and be inspired by it, remember "Iron shapens iron".
Ephesians 5:1
"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children" (kjv)
Here the apostle paul admonishes his immediate audience to be followers of God; then l thought can a man follow God? if yes then how? because it couldn't be no otherwise the apostle wouldn't have said be it.
When the apostle says[b] "be ye followers of God"[/b] its slightly difficult to appreciate the gravity and import it represents just reading it from the King James Translation, but looking at the original Greek word translated as "follower" in this context we discover a far more intimate meaning to the understanding of this admonistion by the apostle paul:
The Greek word translated as "followers" here is the word[i]- mimetes (mim-ay-tace) [/i] which means an [i]imitator:-follower.[/i]That explains the more simplier translation from the Amplified version:
"Therefore be imitators of God [copy Him and follow His example], as well-beloved children [imitate their father]

The apostle paul says "be ye (imitators) of God", that means God in all His glory and greatness can be imitated by man. This thought sparks off several other thoughts like:
1. This reveals to me the humility of God such that in all His glory, might, beauty, righteousness, sovereignty and authority has positioned himself to be copied and imitated. This brings to mind Genesis 1:27 where God created man in His own image and likeness meaning that God created man both to "look" like Him and "act" Him
2. For me to imitate God l need to discover Him and know who He is and how He functions

To follow God in Christ Jesus by the Holy Ghost means to IMITATE HIM.

@poster, manmustwac
No doubting the reality of the presence of corruption and corrupt politicians, but how can nigeria be cursed christians like you are praying except you are not christian or you are a christian who's not praying. Andjust for the records we are not just praying this days, the bulk of us are determine yo take mstters into our hands by actively participating in the politics of the nation both as voters and as candidates and like Azibalua said this is that new generation of nigerian politicians with the fear of God and a strong willed ideology.

^^^
chris okotie curls his hair. But there is no reference or criticism. Several churches holds conferences that you have to pay money for registration . Some have musical programme that you pay to enter, but no one is talking. In Synagogue church,You must buy a book before you enter for service, no one is talking. What of catholic church bazaars and all. I'm sure if pastor chris gets a jet now or if the church buys for him, Evry news paper will make it front page for one full month!. He is a news maker simply put .

How can Nigeria be cursed when the saints and the Church is praying, as long as the saints of God will not hold their peace but bless the land surely the land shall be blessed and shall remain blessed

Proverbs 11:11
"By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked"

Why?
Because-

Proverbs 10:32The lps of the righteous know what is acceptable: but the mouth of the wicked speaketh frowardness."
So we will not stop praying for Nigeria. Nigeria is BLESSED IN JESUS NAME (AMEN)

@Dulcet7
I was impressed with your post l must comment it makes alot of "SENSE" logically.

[q]Whichever way the spark starts, the salvation is incomplete until "Christ" is complete in you. Salvation is therefore only found in "Christ".[/q]
What is "Christ"

Ndipe:
This is a question that I have pondered on and decided to ask all Nairalanders if stealing is ever justified and if so, in what circumstances.

Lets say that you are the student body president of a Nigerian university and a certain sum of money has been allocated to be paid to students for their annual bursary. After disbursing them, you realize that there are some left over money. Now, there are certain students from underprivileged background who are on the verge of being kicked out for lack of fees. There are some left over money that could easily pay off their fees, but your dilema is two fold: If you are return back the left over money to your governor, chances are he will easily pocket it, but if you choose to help out these indigent students financially to better their future, would that be considered stealing in the eyes of God?

I would like a response on this subject.

How?

^^^^ sorry jare my dear no mind that guy wey no fit peel ordinary banana what will he do when bone comes

@iyke619
l observe you seem to have so much knowledge and information about this so called Freemasonry compared to the word of God, how are we sure you are not a member only taking advantage of the platform to seek cheap publicity because how else can one explain the ease with which you confidently provide details of their activities some of which no reasonable group will make public reserved only for members.

Come young man tell us the truth sebi this will make it 10 years since you were recruited don worry l am praying for you there is hope

@iyke619
What is wrong with these ignorant baboons who have problem turning off the wrap of the banana like this one. Pastor Chris is not afraid to make statements that renders the theology of many inconsequential so even if such was said the question is what is the context in which it was said, you don't pick a statement in isolation and make a handout of it, its only fools that do such because if there is anybody who has brought clarity to the understanding of the person of Jesus and His divinity is Pastor Chris
Perhaps you should listen to these tapes:
1. The Person of Jesus
2. Life in Christ the new superman
3. The wonderful name of Jesus
4. Using the name of Jesus
5. The Lordship of Jesus
6. Why in the world did Jesus come

When you are through then you won't be quick to openly display your pathetic foolishness necessitated by a chronic state of ignorance to larger audience. BUSH BOY, PEOPLE WEY DON STUDY DEY TALK YOUSELF DEY COME OPEN YA MOUTH

The churches in the middle east has for as long as l can remenber being persecuted severely but thank God for the stronge will and determination of men and women of God, christians dedicated to their convictions and believe. We all cannot go to the middle east physically the same manner we all cannot go to europe but we pray for those there and sponsor missionary work and ventures to these areas.
There is an interesting instance in scripture where the apostle paul and his companions where stopped by the Holy Spirit from preaching yes! Preaching in Asia while almost at the same time they got a witness that God had called them to go and preach the word in Mscedonia.

Acts 16:6-10
"Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, after they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. And a vision appeared to paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over to Macadonia and help us. And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them."

The bible even used a far more stronger word to express the refusal experienced by paul "FORBIDDEN"
This was paul's personal experience and guildiance it didn't imply that same instruction were given to others no it simply reveals to us how God functions because later on in the years following te same apostle paul took the gospel to the same Asia.

It takes great effort to be consistent with this thank you

Who cares afterall they never do anything right. Forgiveness us is defined by the word of God, for instance in the world you forgive those who only forgive you or who only ask for it. But the bible's standards is different which is we forgive people whether or not they ask for it or they deserve it. Its a gift of love and in addition, when we forgive others for our own sake remember
"---forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Responsibility or irresponsibility all is based on choice and self disciplibe.

You become mature as a christian by studying the word of God and constantly learning to master the leadership of the Holy Spirit.

free123:
@Azibalua
narrow is the way that leads to eternal life, few are found in it but wide and broad is the way that leads to eternal condemnation and many, i mean multitude are found it.
Keep treasuring and making friend with the world claiming u are bringing the world to Christ.

What kind of bible do you read, at least my dear it should have a space for John 3:16
"For God so LOVED the WORLD that he gave HIS only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"
Can you see that God loved the world thus necessitating the coming of Jesus to die for the sins of men and don't be quick yo say oh well it says " God so loved" thats in the past no that love hasn't change how because he said in Mark 16:15 "go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"
Then the apostle Paul tells us how that we as christians have been called to the ministry of reconciliation, I.e reconciling men to God in Christ Jesus through the preaching of the gospel just in like manner that we ourselves have been reconciled to our essence.

Finally if God so loved and still loves the world because of the presence of the church which is the salt (preservtive) of the earth otherwise a worse destruction than that of sodom and gomorah would have taken place. The love we have for the world is different from that spoken of by the aposple John
1John 2:15
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of thr world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever"
If God loves the world then are have no choice but to love the world but problem you have is that of understanding. How can you interceed for dying world in dear need of a loving God without love, how can you preach to a perishing world the gospel of their salvation without love
Romans 1:16
"For l am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE that believeth; to the Jews first, and also to the Greek"

1 Corinthians 13:1-8 (love is the most excellent way)
1 John 4:16
" And we know and believed the love that God hath to us, God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him"

You can only have:
What is christianity
Who is a christian