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LoveKing:
I want us enlightened people to talk about Pastor Chris miracles and why they make be fake.

We are not talking about how verified the results are but how it looks like a stage managed or occultic affair.

What i deduce is this: Pastor Chris seems to waste alot of time around the subject and he throws the crowd into frenzy. So if you are in that hypnotic state you cant really 'see' whats happening behind the scenes. If it was Jesus, would he waste that much time? and would he parade himself in flowing garbs and shining hair to perform these so called miracles? Jesus preached Salavation but Pastor Chris hordes miracles.

so what do you think about his fake miracles?

I think you missed your dosage you consider keeping to your medication more often.Said

Jesus Christ among several things the He is to us; He is the living word of God, the Son of God and the savour of the world. He Came to the world lived in Israel, did great miracles, was crucified, buried and on the 3 day just as He had often said to His followers He rose again from the grave and appeared to about 120 witnesses.

nuclearboy:
^^ Post #6 says tickets are exhausted. Maybe they were gifts given to branches to be distributed at the behest of the local pastors but the language & history suggest they were sold.

I find a smattering of sympathy for CE in me & feel there must have existed (at the beginning) a honest desire for God, but can't you, mabell, advice less boasting & thinking you know more than everyone? Some here have been ministers/christians since the 60's. Many  jump on your case so easily because of the boasts

That is the more reason they fit into the frame of the Pharisees and Sadducee.
The bible says ", bear fruits worthy of redemption" so if you have been this long a time in the faith and you reason in the manner you do then something is really wrong big time

LoveKing:
This is serious. Selling Tickets to go Get some Miracles. Hallelujah!!

This is another time to watch closely all the stage managed miracles. I believe this time, he will be caught.

Can you imagine how narrow and crooked your reasoning has become, do you think everybody reasons like you oh no! sorry to disappoint you!
If you must know; which l think you should anyway, I'll tell you, we don't sandwich precious people of whom Jesus Christ shed His precious blood for like a package of sadin all in the name of gathering crowd no, you see we are reasoning on same page with Jesus when He showed concern for those who came to listen to His preaching and the bible said that they had stayed 3 days without eating then Jesus punctuated His session and demanded that they be feed that's what am talking about. For the very purpose of proper crowd control, convenience, and most of all staying true to the capacity of the facility for the safety of the people, some form of regulation had to be put in place.
For your information nobody is buying any tickets otherwise what kind of senseless, unreasonable and fleshy program are we organizing meaning that only those who can afford the tickets can make it for the program. What do you take us for: STUPID? THEN YOU MUST CONSIDER A RETHINK OR PERHAPS A REHAB

To ensure that everybody is comfortable, apart from the stadium arrangement, we have arrangements for other viewing centers where everyone is according to design sit.

There is no reason to suggest so from scripture.

KunleOshob:
^^^
I wld rather burn my money than spend it to go and listen to a fraudster in south africa or watch any of their stage managed charades

Well you might as well begin now, l wonder when you scorn brains will ever consider to reason normally and see without water in your eyes!

First things first, crying while praying is in itself not wrong but be that as it may, something becomes wrong with when the purpose, inspiration or intent is faulty. For instance, when prays and then engage in crying out of self pity or condemnition then that is wrong.

But one could cry for an attempt to contemplate the larger than lige nature of the love of God, a comprehension of His faithfulness, His gift of grace and salvation void of works

Nobody is charging nobody for no nothing because the bible does not speak about any such thing but not withstanding though the bible does speak of "GIVINGS" However you may wish to consider it because giving is an intrinsic and integral constitute of the christian faith after all God demonstrates the very core of love character as recorded for us in John 3:16 "God so loved that He gave, " There is no love without a giving, like it or not.

Question: How can a man pay for the salvation of his soul from eternal damnation, you sometimes l wonder what some you take "this God" to be, perhaps one cheap being that could be meandered through and lured over by some mundane, filthy, inconsequential piece of man's low level, highly faulty emblem of civilization.

Jesus Christ among several things the He is to us; He is the living word of God, the Son of God and the savour of the world. He Came to the world lived in Israel, did great miracles, was crucified, buried and on the 3 day just as He had often said to His followers He rose again from the grave and appeared to about 120 witnesses.

Sin is sin but there does exist a sin which Jesus Christ called "a sin against the Holy Spirit" which will not be forgiven. More details latter.

@yommyuk
The church has failed to understand her true identity. The church is not
a building and I honestly believe a lot of Xtains know this , so why do
we pratice it .
Very well said, sure now we have become the "temple" of God in Christ Jesus (1 Corinthians 6:19) but that does not abrogate the the place of worshipping in a Church as a building. Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching"
The scribe above clearly enjoin us not to forsake the assembling of the brethren and endeavoured to mention "as the manner of some is" meaning that there is the place of the church as the church "the gathering of the saints"

The church has failed to understand her true identity. The church is not
a building and I honestly believe a lot of Xtains know this , so why do
we pratice it .
Very well said, sure now we have become the "temple" of God in Christ Jesus (1 Corinthians 6:19) but that does not abrogate the the place of worshipping in a Church as a building. Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching"
The scribe above clearly enjoin us not to forsake the assembling of the brethren and endeavoured to mention "as the manner of some is" meaning that there is the place of the church as the church "the gathering of the saints"

The point is simple if you want to see her peach then you go to the church she pastor's there at the Uk or you buy her tapes. this is not a matter deserving any investment of productive time.

@PastorAIO, Aletheia
The "Birth" is an instance (meaning that its eventuality could be traced especially when it happened on a particular day), but the growth from childhood after birth to adulthood is not in a day rather its over a period of time.

@aletheia

Isaiah 9:2
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

How could you qualify this as self glorification.

Ok please share your own experience "to the glory of God" and let us be inspired or you don't any?

@Pastor AIO
Thank you pastor sorry l sounded sarcastic it wasn't delibrate just wanted to drive home a point. Thank yoyre for the attempt to provide a link.

Well there is salvation of the soul which is instantaneous at new birth, now this one is for the unsaved and sinners and then there's that salvation that pertains to the saints. This is echoed in Philippians 2:12
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"

This is referring to those who are already born again and its a process.

manmustwac:
The topic content is biased in favour of Christianity. Regardless of your religious beliefs if parents stop making babies then that would be the end of mankind. But then what about my pet dog and pet parrot if we humans were born for a purpose weren't they born for a purpose as well?

Please l don't understand what you mean when you say "The topic content being biased in favour of Christianity", the topic simply states "you were born for a purpose" with any preference granted whatsoever so where did you get the thoughts you are insinuating from. The individual posts are a reflection of the personal opinions of the posters.

And for the later part of your concern as regards animals and pets, there is nothing on earth and in space that God made thats without a purpose no He is wisdom personified, time will fail me to enumerate. well maybe on a funny note you become one of them and champion a worthy course.
l rest my case.

Does a bbc documentary now take the place of the bible, well wait until bbc comes and say there is no God? Nevertheless, why don't you provide the link for the video so we could view it as well at least most recently such videos are made available on YouTube.

The bible is our reference point on any issue.
Luke 16:19-31 here we see Jesus Christ himself giving us an illustration that correlates and supports the affirmative of a life after death and there are several important points that could be deduced from the context:

1. in the after life one can still see
2. still talk
3. still recognize
4. express emotions, concern and feelings
5. in all consciousness in maintained

The word of God is our standard for living

@nuclearboy
Stop all this delusional strategic escapism and answer my questions, just to learn remind you again
1. So do you believe in this scripture ?
2. What church do you fulfil this scripture (l mean where you fellowship )?
3. is it an inclusive abstract venue or a structure built to Accommodate "God -lovers ". like "you "?
4. was it built by the blood of Jesus Christ or money or the contractors or building material vendors simply accepted a
structure " Holy Ghost God bless you " and smiled away ?

and just a few additions:
1. do you believe and convinced that Jesus Christ is the ONLY TRUE WAY TO GOD? if your answer is "yes" (because l won't be surprise in any case if you come up with a no), then next question
2. do you agree that it is God's will that all men should be saved and come to the knowledge of the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ thus the need to tell them?
3. what happens when they believe and accept, where and how do we accommodate and nurture them respectively in the things of God?

please the earlier you start answering this questions the better for the both of us because their is no head way for you even if you run l will come after you with these questions and for your information l still gat more for yah brodo. Thank you

@Kunleoshob
And also if you choose to stay and meaningfully contribute, l would be keen to learn from your experiences and thoughts with all due respect Sir. Thank you

@Kunleoshob
sorry one more thing, please should you choose to bang the door do it so loud THAT EVEN A DEAF MAN WOULD RECOGNISE YOUR EXIT! lollipops!

KunleOshob:
"Soul winning" in CEC plc is all about increasing their customer base with the singular motive of increasing revenue through various manipulative strategies and improving on the bottom line.

Oga Kuns Kuns this not CEC conversation and don't be sentimental and narrow minded, it is a simple equation: do you have any experiences you would kindly want to share with us as regards soul winning and your fulfilment of Mark 16:15? if yes then contribute and let us learn and be inspired else you you may wish to do justice with the door- BANG IT BEHIND AS YOU KISS GOOD BYE TO THIS FORUM!!!

I mean what is YOUR sickly and ailing problem, for God sake while others see this interesting topic as an opportunity to ask sincere questions that borders on their concerns for soul winning in turning men from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to the jurisdiction of the Domain of the lordship of Jesus Christ in an attempt to stay effectively true and committed to Mark 16:15, all you do in all your supposed many years as a Christian is to cease the moment and catch a flight to express your unsavory, disgruntled, misguided, malicious, malignant, repugnant, defunct, gullible, narrow-minded, disoriented sentiments. l feel so so sorry for you but that as it may though there is hope for you SO SMILE JESUS LOVES YOU!

Importance of Evangelism
Evangelism is the soul of the core of the Christian acts of true worship and absolute submission to the lordship of Jesus Christ. This gospel of Jesus Christ on earth is only relevance when it geared and channeled towards reaching out to others with the announcement of God's provision for their salvation of whom the apostle Paul described as those whom "----the god of this world has blinded their eyes less the light of the glorious gospel of Christ enter into their heart"

This thought is echoed by Jesus in Acts 1:8
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Maria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth"

You shall receive power----and be witnesses; witnesses of what?
2 Corinthians 5:18-19
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation.To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not computing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation"

Evangelism is a calling and a ministry to reconcile the peoples of the world to God in Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit thus the most you develop the life stole if evangelism you answer that call and fulfil that ministry little wonder the bible says there is great joy among the angels of God in heaven over one sinner that is saved or reconciled.

The importance of Evangelism cannot be over emphasized.

@nuclearboy
You made sense with the temple talk because l supplied you a reference which you omitted but could kindly answer my question in simple words and avoid begging it, lets talk and make sense. Thank you

nuclearboy:
The indisputable point remains that people went to the Temple to worship a-priori but now WE are the Temple of God. Whosoever would follow Christ should thus build the Temple (people) and not churches. Bring your gold into the Temple! Bring joy/peace/satisfaction into the Temple. Then you have served God. But the Temple is the believer beside you, not concrete and paint.

How can I watch the saints (Temples of God) be wretched/needy/poor and decide that my own priority is a building that can later be sold for profit? And then I paint it yearly whist the real Temples are suffering.

Why do I require executive chairs? Or air-conditioned spaces? Especially when the Temples of God in our midst and all about are suffering?

If you need a large space because of your large congregation, a simple large building ought suffice anyone. Reasonable plastic chairs will suffice. All the extras are a sign of pride/self-glorifying, a waste of resources and a travesty of judgment. They indicate misplaced priorities.

Question: Yes we are now the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:19), but do you believe in the Assembling and fallowshiping of the saints as we are clearly admonished not to sake in Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching" (Kjv)

Perhaps the New Living Translation would help a little in the synthesis
"And LET US not NEGLECT OUR MEETING TOGETHER, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near"

1. So do you believe in this scripture?
2. What church do you fulfil this scripture (l mean where you fellowship)?
3. is it an inclusive abstract venue or a structure built to Accommodate "God-lovers". like "you"?
4. was it built by the blood of Jesus Christ or money or the contractors or building material vendors simply accepted a structure "Holy Ghost God bless you" and smiled away?

nuclearboy:
The indisputable point remains that people went to the Temple to worship a-priori but now WE are the Temple of God. Whosoever would follow Christ should thus build the Temple (people) and not churches. Bring your gold into the Temple! Bring joy/peace/satisfaction into the Temple. Then you have served God. But the Temple is the believer beside you, not concrete and paint.

How can I watch the saints (Temples of God) be wretched/needy/poor and decide that my own priority is a building that can later be sold for profit? And then I paint it yearly whist the real Temples are suffering.

Why do I require executive chairs? Or air-conditioned spaces? Especially when the Temples of God in our midst and all about are suffering?

If you need a large space because of your large congregation, a simple large building ought suffice anyone. Reasonable plastic chairs will suffice. All the extras are a sign of pride/self-glorifying, a waste of resources and a travesty of judgment. They indicate misplaced priorities.

Question: Yes we are now the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:19), but do you believe in the Assembling and fallowshiping of the saints as we are clearly admonished not to sake in Hebrews 10:25
"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching" (Kjv)

Perhaps the New Living Translation would help a little in the synthesis
"And LET US not NEGLECT OUR MEETING TOGETHER, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near"

1. So do you believe in this scripture?
2. What church do you fulfil this scripture (l mean where you fellowship)?
3. is it an inclusive abstract venue or a structure built to Accommodate "God-lovers". like "you"?
4. was it built by the blood of Jesus Christ or money or the contractors or building material vendors simply accepted a structure "Holy Ghost God bless you" and smiled away?

@Joagbaje
Acts 8:34
"And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, l pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man"

here the eunuch to whom Philip was ministering to asked his own questions, the approach depends on the nature of question asked which could either be inquisitive in nature in an attempt to learn or understand just like the Ethiopian eunuch or defensive in an attempt to discredit or make a caricature just like the Parishes and the Saducees several times did to Jesus asking questions not because they wanted to know but because they had intentions to ensnare him and discredit him and his message, in both scenarios one must of necessity AVOID ARGUMENTS AND CONCENTRATE ON GETTING GUIDIANCE. FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT.

lollll just friend of mine just recently added another lexeme. to the English lexicon- "Akikulize" meaning "to disappointment or to be disappointed" so we could say "that guy has just been Atikulized on a massive scale" lollll

I know that its just a matter if time before Emmanuel earns himself a lucrative Europe deal.
Please what about Osani and Perfect

Romans 12:2 gives credence to this topic:
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God"

but my question is: how can we easily know the will of God on certain contemporary issues that are not unequivocally state in the bible? Topics that borders on issues as; Birth control, cloning, etc