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@Zikkyy, Nuclearbonboi, Oga Kuns Kuns

l laugh at you children of Pharisees and Sadusees

Of what singular value is either of you or all of you put together to the christian faith, l kind of wonder how boring your christian lives are.
Sorrry

@Free123
Well if you must know just like it is today not everybody considered them anywhere near genuine!
Question: What is the bench mark for qualifying a miracle to genuine?

If we have this kinds threads often,nairaland will be a real resource center.

Thanks man for such great exposition. Im surely gonna reach out to someone today. I remember my first experience in preaching,

@KunleOshob
Oga Kuns Kuns what is responsible for your obsessive antagonistic disposition against Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?
l mean when the man's name is mentioned all the misguided hairs on your skin and head suddenly gains erecting in attention to do nothing but criticize.

Proverbs 10:22
22 The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

if wealth is of the devil,God will be guilty of contradiction. why would Paul wish for the bellow,

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Bonboi,go and sit down. you're not making any sense as usual.

And who told you we are being robbed. We give by faith, We give knowledge. bonboi don go call his boss

mabell:
The poor were helped in the church by what others gave. But bobo What would you have done if you were there those days ? While others were laying aside money, you would still have complained. Those who attack others like this are the culprits . Just like judas. He was angry that the woman was wasting money on Jesus . What an opulence! Jesus being bathed by a Prost.itute with an expensive perfume! Why others dong even have water to bath their leg. And Jesus using a mans donkey Exploiting the innocent man. Not to talk of the mugu desciples of his who were trekking while the 419 oga was riding the donkey the laboured to get!.  If he was really a man of God , he ought to have come down and let the disciples ride the donkey! Isn't it so nuclear? What ever you guys are doing now is not new.  It's thesame demons of 2000 years ago .

you are right o, how could a real man of God allow a prostitute to pour expensive perfume from a questionable source on his leg! He even sat and ate with sinners. He no fear? if bonboi catch am! eeeh!

This only shows how shallow your knowledge of Paul is. every minister of God ought to be supported. Paul received support from many churches except in Corinth because of their attitude towards giving. it was a church of milky teeth boys. nuclear boys. they feel the pastor is stealing their money. So Paul refuse to take money from money from them but he still made it clear to them that they were to give and admonished the nuclear milkteeth boys there to copy other churches and grow in the grace of giving.

bonboi, good attempt, but on a wrong leg. Don't poison us. Take the bible for what it says. don't look at the word of God with the poverty eyeglasses. if. he says Rich, he means riches.

Kunleoshob,
Which one is this pastor B again?

^^^^^^
Christian tithing is not based on the law young man. Tithing precede the law. So the abolishment of the law is inconsequetial.

Crossman9
I want a copy also. But I will still like you to explain to us openly what make him evil.

free123:
@newmi
when u boast of the number of customers in your church, it shows that u are the most easily deceived fellow in the world. Do u pull crowd more than JZ, DR DRE or Eminem who are in the same line of business with u?
Real christians cannot boast of the number of members they have cos they know that broad is the way that leads to eternal condemnation and multitude (just like in your business empire with noisy and belligerent uncountable customers) are found in it.

Calm down and don't be too quick to respond first on impact, we have a reference book so let your response be the scripture

Matthew 4:25
"And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judea, and from beyond Jodan"
Now this is Jesus

Luke 6:17
"And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a greayt multitude of people out of all Judea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases"
Matthew 13:2
"And great multitudes were gathered unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore"
Matthew 15:30
"And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, build, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them"
Note the author didn't say "---and God healed them----" rather he specifically said "----and he(Jesus) healed them---" now Jesus was as much Human as he was divine and Pilate called him"---behold the man Christ Jesus---"

Mark 1:33-34nd37
"And all the city was gathered together at the door And he healed many that were sick of devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. And when they had found him, they said unto him, ALL MEN SEEK FOR THEE"
Mark 2:15
"And he went forth again by the sea side; and ALL THE MULTITUDE resorted unto him, and he taught them"

THIS IS JESUS
You people should listen to yourselves a man driven by a passion for souls to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to righteousness is getting stadiums all over the world packed out for Jesus other than for vanity events like sports and concerts and all you failures can say is this------------------has anyone among you filled his or her living room for Jesus? Anyway based on scripture we know people like this they don't win souls coz anyone who is a genuine soul winner will be glad that the biggest venues in the world are filled up for Jesus.

L was so glad the very first time l heard of the Living Faith(Winners Chapel) structure which is a master piece of architectural beauty all over the world and several others when l hear and see their exploit in the faith for the gospel, for Jesus and for the universal church am excited and convinced that the voice of the church heralding the message of Jesus Christ is continuously being amplified.

THINK AGAIN AND THIS TIME THINK THE BIBLE WAY

sure because your outward dispostion is a reflection of your inward make up

KunleOshob:
You know the mind of God yet you would rather follow a man, a cheap common criminal at that. It must be the mind of the mamon god that you know I laugh in summersaulting phonetic tongues

hey young man, pastor chris feeds over 500 children daily in lagos alone with scholarship through the inner city mission not to talk about other parts of the country and the world. When will you get tired of this asignment the devil gave you.  ;

@nuclearbonboi, SirJohn, Kuns kuns and the likes of them
Why are your minds so narrow, myopic and small that you cannot contemplate the bigger picture of God's divine agenda and purpose nobody said sickness is not a natural body occurrence especially with several factors responsible for it ably overseen and regulated by the god of this world's system but what l and the others of my kind are saying is that in Christ Jesus God has made a provision for a man to live a life beyond suffering from sickness or diseases. How is that hard for you to assimilate and articulate?

Galasians 4:1-7
"Now l say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed if the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent froth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then heir of God through Christ."Question! Have any of you guys ever read this before? if you have then what thoughts permeated your minds when you did?

The apostle paul draws a line of correlation between the ancient practises of great kings in raising a successor amongst their children how that though a heir, a child is given to tutors and governors to be raised a future king otherwise he remains nothing different from a servant and the experience of the immature Christian (GRK-nepios) being in bondage (Grk-douloo: meaning to enslave literally or figuratively, to become a servant) under the elements (the principle and rudiments) of this world.
What is so hard for you guys to understand that all you do is defend you foolishness and ignorance or just a note of concern are your Christian experiences so substandard pitiful that you do believe you could still change no, what a minute see, it’s not about winning an non-lucrative, non-awarding and unprofitable argument no its more than that; who cares what you think about what,, for all l care keep it to yourself, but you see its about being all that God has called us being and doing all that God has called us to be and do on the earth.

Because
Roman 8:19

"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God"

note not the Nepios (Immature child) because no king would risk that because the child is not trained but for the Huios 9the adopted son who has come into fulness of age and maturity. Jesus said we would do things he did and even greater things we would do not because we are greater or better than him like some people want to frame and misrepresent us fro reason bet known to them (never) but because He said "---l go to the Father---", meaning that l've left the stage its your turn, if l'd stay any longer l'd do more but you are the continuity of my days and the pro-longivity of my reign

Isaiah 9:6-7
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgement and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of host will perform this"

Note unto us A CHILD IS BORN but unto us ASON IS GIVEN
If we keep on like this when are we going to fully start doing those greater things. Selah thank you

nuclearboy:
^^^

The allure of money has made him lose it. Church is by rote - choose a topic, see what oga chris says about it, design his "speech" and make it as dramatic as possible, practise in front of a mirror then deliver to accompanying music and fanfare on sunday. Life is good.

Except on NL where the congregation talks back and many know more than he does

bonboi is that what you think- prove positive-small mind Gbam! because if that is a picture of what you foolishly thing CEC pastors have being doing then you are wrong my boy otherwise how can you explain the crowd and soundness of teaching simultaneously obtainable in every CEC church in the world even in campuses among students. Look you have no idea who and what you are dealing with. This people even to the least of them are more sound in doctrine that you could ever imagine even if God grants you a thousand years to live. For instance l have quoted scriptures that you could only in your dream imagine but because you don't study your bible with a broken and contrite spirit hungry and thirsty for God to learn and to be improved by the word rather you read only to win arguments SHAME TO YOU AND TO THE HOST OF YOUR COMPATRIOTS and bad news kid- THERE AN'T NO STOPPING US NOW WE'R ON THE MOVE WHPPPPPPS

SirJohn:
Abi o

nuclearboy:
I can't afford it O. Why give money to thieves when there's no gun to my head? Better things exist - I could build a hut or buy a bicycle or even buy a biro - all better value than a ticket to listen to lies from a trickster

2 Corinthians 13:8
"For we can do nothing against the truth, for the truth"

Make hay while the sun set don't end up like your fathers- PHARISEES and SADDUSEES or maybe more fitting- FAR-to-SEES and SAD-to-SEES

^^^^
yes, evil spirit

@Joagbaje
Thanks for this article l find it most interesting reason being that am a product of God's supernatural providing grace and every time l contemplate on this ability and concern of my Father to sufficiently supply my needs, l am ever more humbled and for many years, there are a couple of scriptures amongst others that has consistently inspire me viz:

Psalms 84:11
"For the LORD GOD is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly"

What a thought!

Philippians 4:6
"Be careful for nothing: but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God"
Why?
Because
Psalms 23:1-2
"The LORD is my shepherd; l shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still water"
Isn't it amazing that God gladly takes the responsibility of "making me lie down in green pastures" and "leading me beside the still waters" not troubled waters

that reminds me of Proverbs 12:28
"In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death"

Then Lastly but not the least

Psalms 37:23 (NLT)
"The LORD directs the steps of the godly. HE DELIGHTS IN EVERY DETAIL OF THEIR LIVES"
Every detail! Wow! these are my foundations of solid assurances why l know no matter what l'll always turn out on the vantage side. Am excited about this topic
Thank

nuclearboy:
On false claims, falsehood and fruits

Aside the Apostles and Christ Himself, servants of God have lived who had no issues or contrariness imputed to their testimonies. Even today, they exist here among us on earth.

As with Christ, nobody complained that the miraces wrought by His Apostles were doctored or arranged. Same with men like A.W. Tozer and William Branham. They were NOT perfect but they were known for GOOD things. Interestingly, I have not come across claims of even the Redeemed Church or MFM or Deeper Life "arranging" miracles. Members of those churches cannot lay claim to perfection but none of these churches is known for loose morals, lies, thuggery and shameless thefts/fraud.

I said KNOWN FOR not that they are perfect. Redeemed is known for non-stop expansion and asking tithes. Deeper life is known for extremism in morality. MFM is known for "fall down and die" kind of prayers. Pastor Adeboye is particularly known for humility (a GREAT thing) even if many think it is false. The other two pastors have NOT A SINGLE bad thing attributed to their names. Pastor Chris is known for what?

Would you like a list?

Lets summarise to ----> vanity (jeri curls/pimping up), women (stories abound), faked miracles, building an army dedicated to him rather than God, false shallow teachings and doctrines, cash 1, money 2 and finance 3.

CEC PLC is known for what?

Would you like another list? I hope Seun's servers won't blow up with the magnitude of THAT list!

They sought but they could not find anything to complain about Jesus. Please seek and see if you can find something to say about D.K. Olukoya or Adeboye or Kumuyi. Like Jesus -- humble, responsible and majority of their fruit is "fair". Yes, Fair.

CEC - give yourselves a score OR dare Nairaland and create a poll. Aside single digit posters, let those we all know HERE score you and let us see if you get 10%.

I remember Olaadegbu asking me if I had anything against Kumuyi during an argument we had long ago. He was able to boast because he knew he had a responsible man. And yep, I found NONE. That was a pass mark. Try do the same for Christian Oyaks and shame will envelop you. But then, shame is far from you - all you want is cash

This bonboi you only struggle to be who you are not you are not a student of the scriptures rather you only read the bible to argue nothing else, just a note of concern how is your Christian life? When How often do you hear God speak to you? because l wonder what a failure picture of Christianity your life would portray.
Haven't you read about the deeds of your fathers and how they opposed Jesus calling him names and rubbishing his entire miracle claiming fowl playing you are following in their shoes today

John 9:16
"Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them"

Today who was wrong or right (be careful boy)
John 7:12
"And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people"

Today who was right (be careful bonboi)

John 9:33
"If this man were mot of God, he could do nothing"

Read your bible bonboi

@Joagbaje

Joagbaje:
. But come to think of it, o, Is it not ironical, for those who believe that the law is obsolete to be judging Christian givings by the law?

That's makes some sense . It's like someone who says it's wrong for us to wear  clothes since we were created naked and if anyone must be clothed , they should wear goat skin. Because God gave adam goat skin to wear so therefore any one who must wear clothes must follow Adam style of fashion !

Drogba

perhaps Drogba

well if hid that is really remarkable and many should emulate him

Analka