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I swear to Allah, you are just advertising your ignorance! You claim that a book supports your position but you can't provide it! The scholars of Islam are not like that, when they quote what they need when debating and also reference it. And out you ignorance, you don't know that several publishers have printed the book you mentioned, so pages differ. So, if you want to talk, quote the text or screenshot or something like that then type your reference. If not, stop whirling like a dervish. |
AhluSunnah:@bolded please quote and text your reference. It doesn't suffice to just make claims, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalam said: ((لو يعطى الناس بدعواهم لادعى ناس دماء رجال وأموالهم ولكن اليمين على المدعى عليه)). So quote your books or screenshot. |
Secondly, there's no 'SURAT SUROOH' in the Quran. Thirdly, Ibn Taymiyyah has no book called 'sirotul mustaqeem' fourthly, What's the meaning of 'talik'? Is it Swahili? Fifthly, kindly give at least a screenshot of the books you mentioned and the pages. Sixtly, you are contradicting yourself, first you claim that you follow only Quran and hadith and need no scholar, why are you now trying to quote scholars seventhly, you said scholars of our time are not reliable but you are quoting ibn Uthymeen! Eightly, you claim that Jabata is infallible and contradicting him is tantamount to contradicting Islam. So you are the same with the shia who say that their Imams are infallible and make no mistake. Ninthly, your English is ugly and your Arabic is uglier. Shows how ignorant you are. |
Surah Muhammad, Verse 32: إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَشَاقُّوا الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الْهُدَىٰ لَن يَضُرُّوا اللَّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيُحْبِطُ أَعْمَالَهُمْ Verily, those who disbelieve, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (i.e. Islam), and oppose the Messenger (SAW) (by standing against him and hurting him), after the guidance has been clearly shown to them, they will not hurt Allah in the least, but He will make their deeds fruitless, (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran Surah Muhammad, Verse 33: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَلَا تُبْطِلُوا أَعْمَالَكُمْ O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) and render not vain your deeds. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran Show me the proof in the verses |
Do you know that soheehul Bukharee and Muslim contain narrations of well known innovators? If Bukharee and Muslim made mistake, all the other scholars of Islam also made mistake? So I should leave the opinion of Ahmad bn Hanbal, Malik bn Anas, Shafi, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibnul Qoyyim, Ibn Baaz, Ibnul Uthymeen, Albany, Barbahaaree, Alqoirowaany, Tohaawiyy, and all the scholars of Islam for an opinion invented by a man who just appeared less than a decade ago?! Muhammad bn AbdilWahab is not like Jabata at all, he came renew not innovate. Everything he said has been said by the scholars before him, it's the ignorance and dogmatism of people that made them think it's new. Now I challenge you, mention one salaf from the companions or any scholar after them that said all Bidah is kufr!!! |
You are talking with no knowledge in anyway, all you are doing is making claims without supporting with reliable proofs. Your claim that all Bidah is kufr because it goes against one verse or another, subhanaLLaah! This is exactly one of the baseless excuses the khawaarij gave for their misguidance. As for spoon issue, the messenger used to comb his hair starting from the right, is it also kufr to start from the left or to use hairbrush instead of comb? The spoon issue is a rather ignorant and most absurd innovation of Jabata. There is absolutely no scholar -past or present- that proceeded him in this claim!!! If you doubt it please bring it forth. Lastly, you said I'm doing taqleed. I'm sure you don't know what is taqleed. I'm telling you that Jabata is the first and only person to ever have these opinions. If not, ask for: #his teacher: or he doesn't have a teacher?! #his contemporaries in seeking knowledge. He won't produce any. All the scholars he claims to follow denied him and his evil ideology such as Sheikh AlHilaalee, Sheikh Madkhalee etc. |
As for Bidah being divided into sin and kufr, there is no doubt about it. Bidah is divided into sin and kufr. The problem with you Jabata boys is that you don't learn anything other than what Jabata teaches you. The scholars of Islam past and present undoubtedly agree that Bidah is divided into mukaffirah and ghayr-mukaffirah. Read books of hadith, aqeedah, fiqh, manhaj etc. PLEASE,FOR ALLAH'S SAKE, JUST QUOTE ONE SALAF THAT SAYS ALL BIDAH IS KUFR |
It's you that should bring proof that spoon is an innovation because it's not an act of worship basically. Just like the way one who says that eating jollof rice of Friday evening is bidah. I have quoted earlier my salaf on this issue i.e Imam Albany. If you like I'll quote more. First, what is your proof from the Quran and Sunnah? Secondly, Who proceeded you and Jabata in this explanation and understanding? Or Jabata is the first person to recite the Quran or read the hadith?! Like Imam Ahlu Sunnah Ahmad bn Muhammad bn Hanbal said to his student: Beware of saying what you have no salaf for! |
Thirdly, Saying that all innovations is disbelief and all innovators are disbelievers. He has absolutely no salaf in this opinion. But I'll just clarify it for you in just three ways: # The messenger alyhissolaat was salaam said all innovation is misguidance (he didn't say kufr). Misguidance has many meanings in the texts of the Quran and Sunnah, it can mean mistake, sin, and it may also mean disbelief. What is his evidence for calling it disbelief? # The scholars past and present are unanimously agreed that the report of innovators is acceptable if it his bidah is less than kufr. And they also agree that the report of disbelievers is never to be accepted. See books of Mustalah for details. # Bukharee, Muslim and many books of hadith contain reports of innovators. The scholars accepted them and so also the ummah. Jabata and his creed means that all the books of hadith are compiled disbelievers so also the authors such as Bukharee and Muslim are disbelievers for accepting reports of 'disbelievers' # Imam Ali bn Abi Talib (rodiyaLLaahu anhu) said the khawarij (first sect in Islam) are our brothers but have only transgressed against us. I'll stop here though there's a lot more. |
Secondly, Claiming that he is sufficed by the texts of the Quran and Sunnah from the explanation of scholars. This is an innovation also, Allah says: Surah An-Nisa, Verse 83: وَإِذَا جَاءَهُمْ أَمْرٌ مِّنَ الْأَمْنِ أَوِ الْخَوْفِ أَذَاعُوا بِهِ وَلَوْ رَدُّوهُ إِلَى الرَّسُولِ وَإِلَىٰ أُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْهُمْ لَعَلِمَهُ الَّذِينَ يَسْتَنبِطُونَهُ مِنْهُمْ وَلَوْلَا فَضْلُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَتُهُ لَاتَّبَعْتُمُ الشَّيْطَانَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا When there comes to them some matter touching (public) safety or fear, they make it known (among the people), if only they had referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have understood it from them (directly). Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah upon you, you would have followed Shaitan (Satan), save a few of you. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran The authorities here are the people of knowledge, the scholars of Islam |
AhluSunnah:Very sumple: #His claim that eating with spoon is an innovation. Eating is not Ibadah, so the basis regarding what and how one eats is that they are halal and mubah. Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 29: هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ لَكُم مَّا فِي الْأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ فَسَوَّاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran So, it can't be an innovation, the worst it can be is Haram not bida. Then, non of the salad ever proceeded him in this claim. Imam Albany said anyone who says spoon is Bida is an ignorant fellow. see al-ikhtiyaarat al-fiqhiyyah of Albany compiled by Ibrahim Shaadi More to follow ... |
Many people on this forum have absolutely no right and reason to be called Muslims. Scientific research is the reason why Haram will become halal?! I seek refuge with Allah from such evil. There are uncountable scientific conclusions that have thrown into the thrash bin after greater researches came. So what will you say if another research comes tomorrow claiming that this conclusion that has made you a disbeliever is wrong and completely baseless?! Just as Imam Malik bn Anas said: Is it every time that a man comes to us with an argument stronger than the argument of another man we leave our religion and follow him?! Also, this baseless argument of saying that homosexuality is a genetic disorder and crap doesn't hold a molecule of vapour! There countless genetic and psychological disorders in existence which have not made the west legalise what they wish to make illegal such as kleptomania, pedophilia, and many more... it's a matter of lust and desires!!! |
AlBaqir:I never knew that you were this ugly. Though I'm not surprised that such filth is coming from a shia. Gay mosque and gay Imam and other similar nonsense are the result of the evil fatwa of the shia clerics. It's just like saying Muslim beer parlour or Muslim idolatry, Islam and all these rubbish are parallel lines, they don't meet. Esteemed and Glorified be Allah above the filth that people associate with His religion. Committing sodomy can be said to be less than disbelief but gay marriage is an act of disbelief that no doubt about it. The one who does the gay marriage has legalised it for himself and proven that it is permissible. Just as incest is less than shirk but incest marriage is an act of disbelief because the later has legalised it for himself. As for your first point, it shows your ignorance of the meaning of a simple terminology like Shirk. How can you translate shirk as disbelief?! Shirk is associating partners with Allah, it is just a form of disbelief (kufr) which has many other forms such as claiming that the Quran has been distorted, supplication to the dead, legalising with the heart what is Haram, claiming to have right to disobey the messenger alyhissolaat was salaam etc. Allah knows best. |
Very interesting thread, two innovators (Jabata boy and Sufi boy) arguing. Both of them are just using misguidance to refute misguidance. AlhamduliLLaah for the mercy of Sunnah. Empiree, please I beg you in the name of Allah, don't ever link me to a jabata boy again. The Sunnah is free from Jabata and his creed so also is the methodology of the Salafs (May Allah have mercy on them). |
The one who reads between the lines of this thread will see why many Nigerian graduates are unemployable. Impatience! Lack of Understanding and care and intolerance. Some people asked a simple questions instead of others to give good answers if the have it they just start insulting and insulting. There's no company that will ever give a job to people with these attributes except if they are unaware. And the day they discover these attributes in an employee is the day he is given a laminated sack letter. If this is how the workers in your bank, children's school, or this forum treat you, I'm sure you would have searched for a substitute. People make silly mistakes, really silly mistakes. Please if you have a good answer give it, if not its cool for you to just ignore it if you can't at least give good words. Thank you. |
femi4:Go and seize his certificate if he's not a graduate! @no1: Well I'll take that as a compliment. If my foundation is faulty and i still managed to pass WAEC and JAMB and post UTME and go went ahead to graduate with a honours from a university that has never left the top three in Nigeria, I'll take that as a compliment. @no2 You seem to be ignorant of what makes a graduate. All these crap you are ranting is out of point. There are faculties in school that don't give a nada about the quality of your English and all this stuff you are shouting. A friend of mine who graduated from Elect faculty of technology told me that the only thing his supervisor emphasized whenever they met is "is your project working". His supervisor always told him to give little attention to the literature aspect of the work. Even in the social sciences, who gives a dime about your English or whether you know a last name and surname blah blah blah?! your hypothesis methodology and analyses is what matters. Don't make mountain out of a boulder. The matter far more trivial than you are claiming. |
femi4:You people have to cool down. We are all ignorant of one or more things in one way or another. What makes you feel that you are a better candidate for employment than those people? Just because you know that last name is surname?! Very interesting! I've never been asked about lastname, middle name etc till this npower registration started. So its not a big deal in any way. I remember in my part 3, many of my colleagues (who were undoubtedly better in my field than me) did not know how to use Microsoft word. We are all ignorant of one thing or another. I remember a friend who was saw a traffic light for the first time in his life when he got admission. I work in a rural school where only a few students have ever seen a laptop let alone knowing how to operate it. Are there not graduates who dont know what a POS is, who don't have an email and dont know how to open an email? Of course there are. Our exposures vary seriously, the hardwork many people (especially students with rural backgrounds) did to pass jamb and waec is unbelievable. Especially those who attended public schools. You can't compare them to the students who had all the best exposures and orientations on a platter of silver. Its better that you try to understand my points. On another hand, the question was not directed at you. You could have easily 'faced front'. That way you wont burden OP and wont hurt others. Thank you. |
tintingz:You wish you were funny. AlhamduliLlah for the mercy of sunnah. |
tintingz:please give just one reason why you deserve to be in this section. |
If Dajjaal appears today, the shia will rush after him and follow him! |
Faarooq Aleem Al-Egbaawiy Watch your limit oh student of knowledge!!! Ash-shaykh Ad-duktoor Soolih Bn Sa'd As-suhaymiy (May ALlaah keep him safe) was asked in his liqoohu maftooh by a student that: "Is there permissibility of al-'udhru bil jahl (excuse of ignorance) in matters of 'aqeedah (creed)? He answered (May ALlaah protect him) that: "This is a matter not permissible for little students of knowledge to speak and debate about. Indeed it is a matter ONLY meant for the senior scholars to speak about" (End of quote) Translated by Faarooq Aleem Al-Egbaawiy Shaykh As-suhaymiy uses this answer of his to call students of knowledge towards knowing their limits and to be wary of dabbling into issues that do not concern them. May Allaah assist you and I to know our limits |
I don't get it, why are people so negative in this country? This is s good development, let's embrace it. At least for s start, over time there will be improved versions of the technology. It could be from the same company or another company. Remember : Rome was not built in a day. kudos to the Company |
AbdelKabir:Thanks so much. Firstly: Alhaji Abefe is not a Muslim leader for the students. The Muslim students are a body, the Muslim staffs are another body. It's the Imam that is trying to transgress by dabbling into the affairs of the students. This is a notion that many people do not understand. Imam Sanusi is not a sultan on campus. Which power does he have other than to delay people for Jumah. He's just like the Imam of a big mosque in your community, is that imam and authority that should tell you when to go to work or not?! The school authority does not recognize him as someone whose final say on an issue is binding upon all the Muslims especially the students. Check the hierarchy of administration, Chief Imam is not there. Though, they may Consult him as a representative of the Muslim staffs. If he had power and authority, he would not need to be lobbying around offices before prosecuting the students for going against his whims and desires. Secondly: I'm not under the school anymore. The authority that anyone has within the walls of the school is restricted to those who are within the walls. Not me, absolutely not me. |
Imam Sanusi had been a tyrant for years. He is power hungry, egoistic and completely ignorant. As for being power hungty: He has been Imam since his under graduate days. Probably many of those commenting are ignorant of this fact: The Ameer of the students also has a slot in leading the Jumah prayer at the central mosque. The Imam cancelled it so as to maintain the monopoly of 'Chief Imam'. He has been leading people old enough to be his father since undergraduate days but today he claims that the youths should not elect leaders for themselves rather he should be the sole chairman of the process. As his Ego: This is obvious from the above. He doesn't want anyone to question whatever crap he says. Well, we love him as a father but the Truth (Quran and Sunnah) is more beloved to us than even our parents. Every reasonable Muslim should understand that rather should abide by it. So if the Imam wish to be followed and obeyed, he has to put his ego in the thrash can then follow and submit to the truth. As for his ignorance: describing it will be a complement for him. He is not close to any of the hall Imams, he is not even close to those I was teaching back then. His ignorance is beyond bounds. It's a fact. He should stay in the Teaching Hospital, that's his area of specialization. Being an Imam is a transgression on his path. May Allah guide us and him to what He loves. Aameen |
Kunlexic:And those who went ahead to get into the politics, tell us what good they have brought to Islam. This chief Imam is a typical example of ignorant Muslims being policy makers. In my experience on OAU campus, a Christian as policy maker has been far less harmful to Islam than those ignorant Muslims These ignorant people get all they own and need with the name of Islam, then when they get what they need, the Muslims will be their first victims. Only, few Christian lecturers will dare to deny you entry into a lecture room or exam hall because you went for Solah and arrived late. But the ignorant Muslim lecturer will not only chase you out, he will also embarrass you and your Islam. SubhanaLLaah! The extension of Faj mosque that used to be used by the Muslim students for tutorials, when the place was closed, the Christians couldn't dare to come. They sent Dr Ajadi of department of Mathematics, he was such a warthog, he grunted and shouted and led them to seize the place and today it's a photocopy centre. SubhanaLLaah. Another case of an ignorant Muslim. I can continue writing. Who unregistered MSSNOAU for years, isn't it chief Imam when he had Dr Durosinmi (fors DSA, also a Muslim) as his puppet. They refused to register the brothers and made a condition not found in any section of the school constitution. |
Kunlexic:SubhanaLLaah, you need to fear Allah and avoid speaking out ignorance. Allah commanded the believers to strive in His cause, so the claim that "don't fight on behalf of Allah " is a weak, baseless and unIslamic claim. It contradicts many verses of the Quran. Your second claim is a big lie. Awo hall mosque and Faj hall mosque were citadel of learning rather 'homes' for thousands of students, even the sister who uses just a scarf, and the brother who is far from the sunnah were all well accommodated, we all ate, slept and lived together in those mosques. I know a brother in Faj, he spent most of his time in the mosque reading, he had many friends who practiced the sunnah. Till he graduated, he didn't practice the sunnah and that never affected his accommodation in the mosque, rather he had a space almost like a reserved space for him where he read. This is just an example. In my department, everyone (especially Muslims) liked me, those who didn't like me were neutral, they didn't hate me. I was the only male practicing the sunnah back then. The only people who have problem with these brothers are partisans and haters of the sunnah. Unfortunately for these partisans, they will ally with any Tom, Dick and Harry in their hunger for fame, power and wealth even if it is an Ahmadiyyah disciple. |
7.6Million naira, subhanaLLaah. To renovate Awo and Faj mosque only?! So how much will be needed to organize lectures? millions of dollars I guess. And what further clarifies the evil within Imam and his partisan foot soldiers is that they went to demolish the mosques without having available funds for the renovation. I pray to sincerely to make chief Imam repent before his death. I wonder what he will tell Allah when all these generations of brothers and sisters bear witness against him that he was a tyrant man and arrogant egoistic power hungry man. And how he fought with all his wealth and power against the sunnah. What an evil soul his body arbours |
Surah At-Taubah, Verse 109: أَفَمَنْ أَسَّسَ بُنْيَانَهُ عَلَىٰ تَقْوَىٰ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانٍ خَيْرٌ أَم مَّنْ أَسَّسَ بُنْيَانَهُ عَلَىٰ شَفَا جُرُفٍ هَارٍ فَانْهَارَ بِهِ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ Is it then he, who laid the foundation of his building on piety to Allah and His Good Pleasure, better, or he who laid the foundation of his building on an undetermined brink of a precipice ready to crumble down, so that it crumbled to pieces with him into the Fire of Hell. And Allah guides not the people who are the Zalimun (cruel, violent, proud, polytheist and wrong-doer). (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran |
Remii:Very saddening, this just shows that chief Imam and his partisan MSS foot soldiers are not interested in dawah in anyway. They want to turn the hall mosques to that event center they call a central mosque. Allah forbid that such happens. Aameen. Those halls gained the noble reputation that they have not by beauty and designs but by knowledge, adherence to the sunnah, honesty, transparency, simplicity and other traits which the students found in their leaders, they loved us and we loved them. Awo hall mosque and Faj hall mosque are a milestone in the lives of all those who passed through them despite the leaking roof and ugly wiring. praise be to Allah. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 18: إِنَّمَا يَعْمُرُ مَسَاجِدَ اللَّهِ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَأَقَامَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَى الزَّكَاةَ وَلَمْ يَخْشَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ فَعَسَىٰ أُولَٰئِكَ أَن يَكُونُوا مِنَ الْمُهْتَدِينَ The Mosques of Allah shall be maintained only by those who believe in Allah and the Last Day; perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and fear none but Allah. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran So, the mosques are not meant for ignorant power hungry foot soldiers who can't even recite suratul fatiha correctly!!! |
*NO ONE TAKES OAU SPIRITUAL LEADER AWAY FROM PROF SANUSI* Following the enlightenment to people across the globe on the attack of Prof Sanusi on the two masaajid, the OAUMC stooge MSSN are quick in defending Prof Sanusi from all anti Sunnah activities carried out by the chief Imam and his cohorts. OAUMC MSSN see nothing wrong in the demolition of the two mosques, but also termed it "temporary closure awaiting renovation"* even though the world has watched how the chief Imam led a delegate to destroyed the Qur'an and turned it to foot mat. Are the Mus'af in need of renovations too?! Obviously, the Imam too needs a RENOVATION! Prof Sanusi is not against Sunnah yet his comments on beard and trousers is well noted in the clinic when he said they should rusticate anyone with beard and Sunnah trousers. Has any brother drawn spiritual leader battle line with the chief Imam? Nay! Then where are you when the chief Imam was saying Aqdu Nikkah is modernised Zinah? Even though his daughter given in marriage June 6th last year gave birth December the same year. Was the Imam bold enough to announce it on the mimbar? Many a time Imam has accused several brothers and sisters of illegal marriage just because he wants all to be like him. Check Professor Roger's memoir in the school bookshop and see his comment on what the Imam said concerning Niqab, but to you an attack on Niqab is not an attack on Sunnah?! An attack on Nisfu Sak is not an attack on Sunnah?! An attack on beard is not attack on Sunnah?! An attack on Qur'an is not an attack on Sunnah?! What is the condition of health sciences mosque now? The Imam was in the meeting where they decided to ban religious activities in the college while you still see Christians holding fellowships in the same college in the name of permissions. Though how will a man who prays in his house in quarters values the house of Allah? |
^^ They don't wear the hijab in India, they wear well adorned scarfs. Also, the laws of Islam are complementary. Islam did not just say wear hijab and that's all. Hijab is one of many measures Islam has put in place to control illicit thoughts and acts. Others include: avoiding free mixing between opposite sex, not delaying Marriage and avoiding everything that can delay marriage such as prohibitive dowry (which is the case in India), taqwa of Allah and fear of His fire, hope for His mercy and Paradise etc. Just covering up and not doing the others is a vain effort just as claiming to practice chastity without wearing the proper hijab is nothing but deceiving one's self. |
Demmzy15:Very concise |
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