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If he can't, then he shouldn't say a word again and should repent else he is a bloody innovator and misguided misguider, a deviant that the people must be warned against.

ikupakuti:
Relax Newnas, this is a very simple matter. I think maybe you didnt get Ahlusunna clearly.

He meant if you must quote a scholar on any religious ruling, then you‘ll have to reference their ruling to kitab & sunnah, since we belief they (the scholars) cant or mustnt go against the kitab & sunnah, so their stance must have an origin, unless you believe they have an independent say in religious matters.

This stance of his conforms accurately with Q4:59, where GOD said obedience is to him, his messanger & the ‘scholars‘ but should the scholars deviate on a matter, we should refer back to him & rasul (kitab & sunnah). This very vs shows that any scholar must bring a reference from kitab & sunnah on a ruling to get our acceptance as commanded by GOD.

All these @ the end, will boil down to redefining what bid‘a really means in that hadith of nana Aisha (as): this very phrase:- WHAT IS NOT FROM IT. I hope you get it ?

@bolded, you understand him well. Now understand me too well.

There is no difference of opinion among the sahabah and all those after them that not all Bidah is kufr (disbelief).

I quoted so many scholars who hold mentioned this clearly, and Ibn Taymiyyah even said in kitabul eeman that whoever says otherwise has gone against the consensus of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and the four imams and other than the four imams.

And I even gave me a screenshot of a similar statement by Ibn Taymiyyah in Muqaddimah usool tafseer.

The onus lies on him to break this claim of consensus by mentioning and referencing just one scholar who proceeded Jabata in this opinion.

@ Empiree
You believe bid'a is not divided btw good and bad but at the same time you believe bid'a is divided btw worldly and religious matters. In that case, you need to provide evidence for this

Well, anyone who reads the hadith of Aishah RodiyaLLaahu anha will see that there's no such thing as Bidah in worldly matters.

Whoever innovates into this affair of ours what is not from it, will have it rejected. (Bukharee and Muslim)

Ponder on the bolded, what's "our affair" it's Islam.

The above verses are the reason why Imam Ahmad bn Hanbal said:

The foundation of Sunnah as far as we are concerned is holding on to what the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum were upon.
(Usool Sunnah)

I used to wonder why he didn't say: "holding on to the Quran and Sunnah" but instead said "holding on to what the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum were upon"

Then it became clear to me that every innovator claims to hold on to the Quran and Sunnah but the condition that no innovator will ever fulfil is to prove that his innovation is in line with the thinking of the companions.

so,whoever wishes to be free from all the deviations should stick to the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum, they were the best of students and the purest of generations,

The Prophet Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalam said:

صحيح البخاري

كتاب أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم

1 - باب فضائل أصحاب النبى

حديث رقم :3526

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ كَثِيرٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ مَنْصُورٍ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، عَنْ عَبِيدَةَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏

"‏ خَيْرُ النَّاسِ قَرْنِي، ثُمَّ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَهُمْ، ثُمَّ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَهُمْ، ثُمَّ يَجِيءُ قَوْمٌ تَسْبِقُ شَهَادَةُ أَحَدِهِمْ يَمِينَهُ وَيَمِينُهُ شَهَادَتَهُ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ وَكَانُوا يَضْرِبُونَا عَلَى الشَّهَادَةِ وَالْعَهْدِ وَنَحْنُ صِغَارٌ‏.‏

Soheehul Bukharee

Book of the virtues of The Prophet's companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum

The virtues of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah be pleased with them

Hadith no :3526

Narrated `Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "The best people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter. Then there will come some people who will bear witness before taking oaths, and take oaths before bearing witness." (Ibrahim, a sub-narrator said, "They used to beat us for witnesses and covenants when we were still children."

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم.

The term Sunnah as will be used in this article means the way of the rightly guided sect, that the prophet alyhissolaat wassalam promised safety from hell.

The Basic principle of the people of Sunnah is that they follow the way of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and do not innovate anything that contradicts the understanding of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum into the religion of Allah.

Allah says to the companions:

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 137:
فَإِنْ آمَنُوا بِمِثْلِ مَا آمَنتُم بِهِ فَقَدِ اهْتَدَوا وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّمَا هُمْ فِي شِقَاقٍ فَسَيَكْفِيكَهُمُ اللَّهُ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ

So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
6(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

And Allah says about them also:

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 115:
وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا

And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

The believers referred to in the verse are the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum.

You are an innovator!

See the words of Ibn Taymiyyah. It's completely against your innovated understanding.

You are the real oniruju... and trying to lie against sheikhul Islam. May Allah reward you with what you deserve for your lies and deceit!

AhluSunnah:
Newnas. . oniruju ni e. . oni iro de ni e. . and av n0ticed that quran and hadith is n0thing to you afi oro alfa.. o de tun wa ma n pa iro mo awon alfa yen ni. . u do n0t want to learn.. u just wana c0nfuse people.. and please do n0t ever qu0te me again. . .u keep sh0uting bida is divided, u bring no proof afi oro alfa that has no basis.. u keep sh0uting n0t all bida is kufru. .bring proof ..na oro alfa without basis u bring. . u even said ibn abass did bida. ..do n0t ever qu0te me again. .

To you, the word of the scholars has no meaning because you are an innovator and that's the only way you can establish your khariji and mutazili innovation.

On the other hand, Allah gave great importance to the word of scholars in the Quran:

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 95:

O you who believe! Kill not game while you are in a state of Ihram for Hajj or 'Umrah (pilgrimage), and whosoever of you kills it intentionally, the penalty is an offering, brought to the Ka'bah, of an eatable animal (i.e. sheep, goat, cow, etc.) equivalent to the one he killed, as adjudged by two just men among you; or, for expiation, he should feed Masakin (poor persons), or its equivalent in Saum (fasting), that he may taste the heaviness (punishment) of his deed. Allah has forgiven what is past, but whosoever commits it again, Allah will take retribution from him. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Able of Retribution.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Secondly,

You are an innovator, no doubt, a double face liar, pretender and cheat!

First you claimed that ibn Taymiyyah and Uthymeen and Madkhali support your misguidance.

I brought clear proofs to destroy your claim.
When you saw that you have no other line of defense you kept shouting Quran and Sunnah like your khaariji ancestors shouted on Ibn Abass.

It's all the same thing, just different colour. Innovators have the same way.

AhluSunnah:
QUOTE THE HADITH OF UMAR, AEESHA ON TARAWEEH(ramadan) ani ko ma mu oro alfa wa fun mi mo se..quran or hadith or shut up..am waiting o..quote and post the hadith. .oponu.o fe tako jabata,and its kitab wa sunnah

Are you nuts?!

I quoted two hadith for you up there and you are saying this crap. Do you ever read or you just type what has been programmed in your head?!

AhluSunnah:
QUOTE THE HADITH OF UMAR, AEESHA ON TARAWEEH(ramadan) ani ko ma mu oro alfa wa fun mi mo se..quran or hadith or shut up..am waiting o..quote and post the hadith. .oponu.o fe tako jabata,and its kitab wa sunnah

So you don't care about the words of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum?

The only eeman that Allah will accept from you is the eeman of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 137:
فَإِنْ آمَنُوا بِمِثْلِ مَا آمَنتُم بِهِ فَقَدِ اهْتَدَوا وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّمَا هُمْ فِي شِقَاقٍ فَسَيَكْفِيكَهُمُ اللَّهُ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ

So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran



If you believe in the like of the companions you are rightly guided. If not, you are misguided.

AhluSunnah:
yeah.. that has proof in Islam.. and sahabhs can never agree upon what is wrong....

You are not clear yet. If the sahabah agreeon something, will you follow it even if you don't know the proof in the Quran and Sunnah?

Why won't i accept it.. As long as Alfa brings proof to support his claim...



I don't care what you think about jabata.. Ko kan mi.. Maybe Alfa or any scholar preceed him in his fatwa.. Ko kan mi.. As long as there's proof IN Quran and hadith.. Am OK with it... Because everything in Islam is just so clear.. Very clear...

So you will still follow Jabata even when it becomes clear to you that he has deviated from the path of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum?

AhluSunnah:
I am deathstroke... Changed the name because it truly sucks... I only said taraweeh (asamu) is bida.. It's not to be performed after ishai but it's to be performed by 3rd quarter of the night... Because that's exactly when rasul did performed it for his sahabahs.. 3 times in jammah and he stopped coming to perform it for them in jammah

lobatan ooo!!!

invented opinions!

Allah says: و من الليل...

And part of the night... I in Surah israa.

Layl in Arabic starts from sunset. One of the opinions recorded from Imam Ahmad Imam Ahlu Sunnah is that one can even observe it between Magrib and ishaa but should delay witr till after ishaa.

Jabata invented this opinion. He keeps going against the consensus of the companions and those who followed them.

So Umar bn Khattaab did Bidah when he gathered the sahabah?!

The messenger atolyhissolaat wassalam said:

Follow the two after me among my companions: Abu Bakr and Umar (soheehul Jami 1144)

Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me (irwaa 2455)

and many hadith pointing to this fact

AhluSunnah:
Everything you said is right and it's proof against everything you say... .You said that Quran and hadith that is against the interpretation of sahabah is an innovation.. What you said is right..... WE ALWAYS TAKE PROOF OF OUR ISLAM FROM QURAN AND SUNNAH... and ijmah sahabah... Whatever sahabahs agreed upon that has proof in Islam... (hadith or Quran)...

@bolded, please clarify what you mean by "that has proof in Islam"
are you saying that sahabah can agree on something and that thing will not have proof in Islam?
please explain.

Quote the page ibn taymiyyah said not all bida is kufru or better still, bring the proof ibn taymiyyah use...... You are always quoting lies about oro awon Alfa... You have serious problem. .

I'll quote the place and even snap the page for you from kitaabul eeman!

will you accept it?

For your information, I don't follow jabata or any Imam or any scholar.... I only follow Allah.. And rasul.... Anything anyone says and can't back it up with proof from Quran and hadith... I will never accept it

for your information also, Jabata is not a scholar! So any understanding or explanation he brings from the Quran and Sunnah, he must mention at least one person that proceeded him in it.

As for your 'trap' claim:

He fell into my trap! I wanted him to deny the scholarly consensus of those before him to show him that he's 'OYO' and an innovator.

As some scholars defined innovation:

It is what is created without a similar 'ancestor'.

That's why Allah called himself: badii of the heavens and the earth. i.e he created them without a model or sample which He copied or followed.

So, Jabata and his claim are Bidah because he has no one among the pious predecessors that he 'resembles' in his claim.

And lastly, Allah bears witness that if I do not claim to be knowledgeable. If I have done so forgetfuly or ignorantly, I repent from it and seek Allah's forgiveness.

Firstly, bring an example of deviation from ijma

Secondly, Ibn Taymiyyah explained clearly in his book al-furqan that Sufism, and all their boogie man practice is baseless and misguidance. In fact, the book was written for the Sufis, so don't distort and interpolate his words.

Thirdly, farasa is very different from kash in every way.

Farasa is simply an exceptional foresight born out of knowledge and experience such as looking at a woman and saying from Palm that she's pregnant. Such as waraqahs saying that Rasul alyhissolaat wassalam will be denied and chased out of makkah because of his knowledge of previous nations.

Kash on the other hand is claiming that Allah has unveiled the known and unknown for you, and you now know everything thing, past, present and/or future. This is an evil claim. Then they start uttering all sorts of crap and rubbish like a wayward dog.

Don't mix this with that, they not similar not to talk of being the same.

Please read Al-furqan, you need it, preferably with Sheikh Solih aal-Sheikh explanation.

And please read talbees iblees by ibn jawziyy.
A large part of it was based on Sufism, rather it was primarily for them.

Sheikh Halaby said a third of the whole book is based on Sufis and sufism.

For your information, Bidah is only innovation in the Deen.

Anything added to the deed is what they call Bidah.

If someone does a deed that is against the Sunnah, if he claims that Allah is pleased with it and will reward him for it. Then it's innovation such as mawlid

If he just does it to 'have fun' or gain similar worldly benefit, not expecting reward from Allah for it, then he's a sinner not innovator eg Muslims who celebrate Christmas etc. They are sinners not innovators. The same thing applies to the one who eats with spoon.

Let alone the fact that eating with three fingers is not a commandment, it's an action of the messenger alyhissolaat wassalam.

He didn't command it, he used to do it. there's difference between the two.

AhluSunnah:
Ibadaat= quran 5:156. Worship is obedience of ALLAH by following that which ALLAH ordered upon the tongues of rasuls. . so as we all know that rasul is free of desire. He said we must eat with 3 fingers, and we must lick that fingers before we wash off our hands.. ALLAH commanded rasul to teach us HOW TO EAT and u replace the 3 fingers with spoon. . that means u do n0t accept the hadith, and you also go against quran verse that said religion is complete... how to eat is ibadah just like how to dress and how to perform salah and others is. . . . and you dare replace the 3 fingers with spoon because of ur desire.. u have done tashreey. u make law into the deen that spoon is better than what ALLAH commanded( 3 fingers)... mind u, eat with 3 fingers is what the hadith says n0t drink with 3 fingers... its bida to use spoon and its kufru

Conc. ignorance arrogance and dogmatism.

Allah commanded the prophet alyhissolaat wassalam to not do isbal, is isbal also kufr?

Allah commanded the prophet alyhissolaat wassalam to also perform tahajjud at night, is leaving tahajjud also kufr?

So if someone eats with four fingers he's a kafir?

If someone eats without fingers, he's a kafir?

If I eat rice through nylon, I'm also kafir?

Rasul alyhissolaat wassalam used to comb from right. If one combs from left he's kafir?


What an absurdity!!!


As Imam Sa'diyy and Sheikh Uthymeen said:

"anything that implies falsehood is also falsehood"!

AhluSunnah:
Newnas you a lair. both sheik u write their name believed bida is kufru. i dont care if its divided or not.. quote those your scholars book wea dem say bidha is not kufru... u keep shouting which scholar and i give u proof from quran and yet u ignore it.. if na alfa or scholars u kum follow for earth. . keep it up. . . . .concerning the c0mbing stuff. . i have no knowledge about it. .bhq

I've quoted it for you ooo but you still refuse every thing except the tafseer of Jabata, as if Jabata is the first to recite the Quran!

Everything is JABATA LECTURES, just funny how you find it easy to accuse others of taqleed.

Jabata who doesn't have a predecessor in his opinion, he's obviously an innovator!

AhluSunnah

You seem to be deluded by the fact that you were able to quote verses from the Quran to support your stance.

Know! May Allah guide you to the way of the salaf that there's no sect that doesn't quote verses from the Quran, even the jahmiyyah, mutazilah, Sufi, shia etc. So, the criterion is the understanding of the companions and those who followed them.

Look at you now, you can't quote just one scholar -past or present- that has the same opinion with Jabata.

I say to you as Ibn Masood said to the first generation of innovators:

"it's either you are more guided than the companions of the Prophet Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalam or you are on plain misguidance"

Empiree

There's difference between the innovation of Jabata and the way of the Ahl Sunnah.

When there's a consensus among the past predecessors [companions and/or generation(s) after them] then it is binding upon the generation after them because of the verse mentioned earlier.

The Sufi follow their shuyukh even when it is explained to them that it contradicts the understanding of the companions.

It's not just a matter of quoting verses from the Quran or citing hadith. It's a matter of Understanding the verse and/or hadith as understood by the companions. If not you are an innovator and deviant.

As Imam Barbahaaree said in his Sharh sunnah:

"know that error is of two types... as for the other, he rejected the truth and contradicted those before him among the pious ones, so he is destroyed, a misguided shaitan in this ummah. and it is a right upon whoever knows him to warn the people about him so that they don't fall into his innovation"

All the kashf, hulool etc were not known during the time of the sahabah rather during the time of the first Sufis they were added innovations in layer generations, this shows they are Bidah.

AhluSunnah:
LAUGHING . .So jabata na jew? u mean he is a kafir abi?

Any interpretation of the Quran or Sunnah that contradicts the understanding of the companions is out rightly an innovation!!!

Imam ibn Taymiyyah said in kitabul eeman that anyone who says that all Bidah is kufr has gone against the consensus of the Sohabah, the four imams and other Imams.


If you want to follow Jabata in his invented understanding of the Quran and Sunnah then you are on your own.

Allah says:

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 115:
وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا

And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran


So, Jabata is the only Ahlu Sunnah in the world?! Allah Akbar, shaytan is playing with your intellect.

For Further reading:

https://mobile.facebook.com/islamfatawa/posts/484841241603324?_rdc=1&_rdr


Even Sheikh Robi bn Haadi al-Madkhali divides Bidah into mukaffirah and ghayr-mukaffirah!

http://www.rabee.net/ar/questions.php?cat=26&id=484

Note: this ilorin takfeeri claims that Sheikh Robi is his teacher!

Sheikh Robi' Al-Madkhali that you claimed to have said all bidah is kufr, please read from his official site, his statement that not all Bidah is kufr!!!

http://www.rabee.net/ar/questions.php?cat=26&id=484

Sheikh AbdulMuhsin al-Abbaad (still alive but very old, teacher of hadith in the Prophet's mosque in Medina) said:
Bidah is of two types :
1-Mukaffirah
2-Mufassiqah
(min atyabil Minah Pg 42
He also said:
And it is divided into two:
That is it's either a mukaffirah...or it is a Mufassiqah and it is what believing in it doesn't imply apostasy.
('ijtinaa'ul Tamr'page 33.published by Daarul Imam Malik 1428AH).

Sheikh Solih aal-Sheikh a minister, scholar and teacher in Saudi Arabia also said:
...indeed negates the perfection of Tawheed, but they will not be declared disbelievers and apostates from Islam, even if they are declared innovators and deviants because of it.
(Tamheed Sharh Kitaab Tawheed: pay 551.published by Daarul Salafiyyah)

This is just a little bit of the whole, May Allah accept it as an act of worship. Aameen.

Imam Abu Amr Uthman bn Solahuddeen As-Shahrozooriyy (577-643H) said: And they differed in the acceptance of the innovator that doesn't become a disbeliever in his innovation... (Muqaddimah IBM Solah:type 23)
Meaning that they (the pious predecessors) we're all agreed on the fact that Bidah is divided into mukaffirah and ghayr-mukaffirah but they differed on the acceptance of the narration of the later.

Imam Ibn Katheer said also (701-774AH) :

"I say: the innovator if he becomes a disbeliever with his innovation, then there's no problem in rejecting his report. But if he doesn't disbelieve..." (ikhtisaar uloomul hadith): type 23)
Ahmad Shaakir commented thus (revised version edited completely on Sat 20/dhul hijjah 1370 AH)
The people of innovation and desires if their Bidah is from the ones that rules one a disbeliever, their report is not accepted as quoted by Nawawiyy... But but the one whose Bidah doesn't imply disbelief ,some of them don't accept their report... (baa'thul atheeth :pg 86. Published by Maktabah al-hadyul Muhammadiyy 1434H)

Imam Al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar said (773-852AH) :
Bidah: either Mukaffirah or Mufassiqah
(Nukhbatul Fikar)

Sheikh Muhammad Solih al-Uthymeen commented (1347-1421AH)

Meaning: either the Bidah is a mukaffirah weather it is a belief or statement or deed, or Mufassiqah that doesn't reach the level of kufr (disbelief)

There's no such thing as Bidah clothe, Bidah food, Bidah house except if the person claims that wearing such cloth or eating such food of living in a particular type of house is an act of worship, then we ask him for evidence if he provides it good, if not he is an innovator.



Imam Albany said in 'Dha'eefah' (3/347): And from the absurd is that some of them averts himself from eating with spoon thinking that it is against the Sunnah! Upon the fact that it is from the mundane matters not worship (matters) (it's just like) riding a car or aeroplane and similar things from the modern means.
(Copied from al-ikhtiyaaraat al-fiqhiyyah: Pg 475 compiled by Ibrahim Abu Shaadi. Published by Daarul Ghaddil Jadeed 1431AH).

But if what you mean by the division of Bidah is the effect of the Bidah on the one who does it. i.e does it make it's perpetrator a disbeliever or not?

Know! May Allah have mercy on you and save you from misguidance that there' is no difference between pious predecessors and the scholars of our time that Bidah is divided into Mukaffirah and ghayr-mukaffirah meaning the one which takes one out of Islam and the one which doesn't. Some other scholars use the terms Mukaffirah and Mufassiqah i.e the one which takes one out of Islam and the one which makes one a sinner.

Any other opinion other than this is a big lie, an innovation and a misguidance!!!
Anyone who claims that every Bidah takes one out of Islam, such a person is a liar, innovator and misguided misguider!!!

I will buttress my claim with quotes from Great Imams, Scholars and mountains of Knowledge in Shaa Allah, so don't be deceived by the claim of an ignorant fellow in one town who is completely ignorant and arrogant and self conceited!

The next issue is: is Bidah divided?

Answer is Yes and No.

It depends on your basis of dividing it. If you are asking if Bidah is divided into good and bad then it is not divided, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalam said every innovation is misguidance .
So there is no guidance in Bidah, every Bidah is evil so far it is an innovation in the religion not in our world life.
As Sheikh Solih al-Uthymeen commented on the hadith (Every Bidah is misguidance) [Abu Dawood :4608, Nasaai: 2676, IbnMajah:32, authenticated by Albany in Soheehul Jami :2549): Meaning: every innovation in the religion of Allah is misguidance

(Sharh Arb'oon: hadith 28)

So any thing innovated in our world life if permissible so far there is no evidence prohibiting it.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 29:
هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ لَكُم مَّا فِي الْأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ فَسَوَّاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything.
(English - Mohsin Khan)
via iQuran

So everything is for us except we find evidence of prohibition.
If you understand this point well you will see the ignorance of the one who says that eating with spoon is Bidah! SubhanaLLaah! There's no Bidah in worldly matters, there is only halal and Haram.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

All praise be to Allah the Lord of the worlds, may His Solah and salaam be upon the messenger, his household, companions and all those who follow his path till the day of qiyaamah.

After that,
this is a treatise I have compiled from the Quran and Sunnah and the statements of our pious predecessors to explain the stand of the pious predecessors and scholars of Islam on the ruling of the one who does Bidah.

Firstly, what is bidah?
Sheikh AbdulMuhsin Al-Abbaad simply defines it thus:

Literally: invention.

In the Shariah: (Something) innovated in the deen (of Islam)
(Min atyabil Minah Pg 42.)
Imam Shaatibi in Al-i'tisaam defined it thus:
A path innovated in the religion (of Islam) resembling the shariah, intended by the one following to actualize the worship of Allah.

(Al-i'tisaam Pg 34. Published by Daarul Ghaddil Jadeed 1435AH)

Next is warning against going against the messenger by going into sins and/or Bidah and the danger therein.

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 115:
وَمَن يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا
And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.
(English - Mohsin Khan)
via iQuran

There are many verses like this in the Quran but we will mention that only here.

AhluSunnah:
OLODO OLODO NI E. .. ALLAHsaid he wil render the deeds of people who hinders people from path of muhammad(sunnah) fruitless. . . my question to you. . do sin render deeds fruitless or kufru render deeds fruitless? D

You can't just avoid being vulgar, like your master jabata.

Me I'm olodo, very interesting, coming from someone who can't even read the title of a book!!!
Sin and Bidah do not render deeds fruitless.

Only kufr renders deeds fruitless. The verse is therefore talking about kufr.

You are just typing, not reading like a robot.

Sin also hindering from the path of MUHAMMAD (SUNNAH) so all the sinners too are kafir abi?
Or does sin not hinder from the path of Sunnah. Does sin encourage Sunnah?

As for the verses of Surat Muhammad, they are talking about disbelievers and those who wage war against the messenger. No scholar of tafseer ever gave this your heretic tafseer .

What shows the falsehood of your 'tafseer' is that the people who commit major sins are also disbelievers because they also go against the messenger. And this is false also.

Whatever implies falsehood is also false!