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Ali bn Abi Talib said regarding the khawarij sect: إخواننا بغوا علينا (They are ) our brothers but have transgressed against us so we fought them for their transgression. {bidayah wa nihaayah} As for your claim that I never mentioned a scholar that called spoon Bidah, this is a big lie and I think it's because you are blinded by bigotry! please see the link and picture below: https://www.nairaland.com/3925812/retort-takfeeri-ilorin#58510944 As for your claim that I quote scholars, well yes I do because Allah commanded us to return matters to them. And Allah made their consensus a proof. Surah An-Nisa, Verse 59: O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran There's an important detail in this verse that dogmas like you won't get. Allah asked us to return the matter to Him and His Messenger when the scholars dispute and He didn't ask us to return it to Him and His Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam when they do not dispute meaning that their consensus is proof. Yes, one Sahabah, one scholar can make mistake but the sunnah of Muhammad can never unanimously agree on a mistake. And I remember that I quoted Ibn Taymiyyah from kitaabul eeman for you where he said anyone who says the innovator is a kafir then such a person has gone against the consensus of the four Imams and other than them rather the consensus of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum. I asked you to produce just one scholar that said spoon is Bidah and Bidah is Kufr. you haven't. I swear to Allah you will never find anyone with that ideology in the history of Islam except a Rafidi, Mutazili or khariji follower.
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In the end it's all about calling people to Jabata lectures!!! typical of innovators. Please name one, just one, just one scholar among the Sahabah or scholars after them that said all Bidah is Kufr or using spoon is Bidah? please for Allah's sake, just one!!! Let me tell you, every sect that attributes itself to Islam claims to have evidence from the Quran and sunnah including the Jahmiyyah and Raafidhah. But the criterion is:This your understanding of the Quran and sunnah, is it in line with the understanding of the Sahabah? if it is we accept it, if not we reject it! That's why Imam Ahmad bn Hambal popularly referred to as Imam Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa said in his book, Usool Sunnah that: أصول السنة عندنا التمسك بما كان عليه أصحاب رسول الله والاقتداء بهم the fundamental of Sunnah to us is holding onto what the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum were upon upon and following them. Or tell me, does Jabata understand Quran more than the companions of Allah's messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam, all of them combined?! Or Allah hid the true interpretation of the Quran from the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and all the past scholars of Islam inspired it to Jabata after 1400 years?! You are indeed in manifest error! |
Wa alykumussalam wa rahmatuLLaah wa barakaatuH. I don't know where to start but: # The brother said he's a concert but he should have used the word revert because every child is born upon the fitrah (natural instinct) of worshipping one supreme God not associating partners with Him. So disbelief is a deviation and intrusion not the basic and natural way. The one who accepts Islam after practicing other than Islam only returned to his natural inclination. # Secondly, Mufti Menk is a scholar but his topics are not usually on aqeedah. That's a problem, a big problem indeed. May Allah rectify us and him. #Thirdly, Ahmed Deedat and Dr Zakir Naik are comparative debate experts not scholars of Islamic laws. People shouldn't get them mixed up. Many times these comparative debators make big errors in matters of Islamic jurisprudence and creed. As for the methodology of studying bible to refute Christians, even if this is permissible it shouldn't be an indeptg study such that you memorize verses of the Bible even more than Christians and sadly more than the Quran. The knowledge of the Quran is sufficient, what you need from the Bible to refute them is only a small portion. The flaws in Christianity are too obvious even if you don't study Bible you can refute the biggest Christian scholar if you ground yourself well in the Quran and sunnah. Please visit sites like islamqa.com which state are you resided and which language do you speak so I can recommend lectures for you |
AbuUthaymeen:Answering allegations with questions?! SUICIDE! |
AbuUthaymeen:I told you I won't respond if your response is void of scholarship. You could have simply debunked my 'heinous' claims by mentioning one scholar that called all Bidah Kufr with reference or one scholar past or present that said spoon is Bidah. Shikena. But your case is one of dogmatism! Please PARK WELL TO THROWING OR CORNER!!! |
Empiree:Well, end of discussion. The scholars say: الترجيح فرع عن التصحيح Reconciliation is a result of authentication. Since your statement is baseless there's no need to discuss it. They also: الإسناد من الدين لولا الإسناد لقال من شاء ما شاء Reference (chain of transmitters) is part of the religion (of Islam) if not for referencing anybody would say what he willed. |
iamgenius:Please keep calm till he responds. If he references his post discussion continues, if not it won't be funny. |
MsToyin:Wa alykumussalam wa rahmatuLLaah. Dream interpretation is not a sin in as much as the ones consulted are people who have studied the Islamic principles of dream interpretation. I remember that Sheikh Mashhoor Hassan Aal-Salmaan a student of Imam Albany wrote a book on interpretation of dreams and it's ruling. However the best thing to do when you have a dream is to follow what the messenger recommended: #if it's a good dream say it to only those who sincerely love you and pray to Allah to actualize it. # If it's a bad dream don't say it to anyone rather keep it to yourself and seek refuge with Allah from it. It must however be noted that dreams do not abrogate the laws of the Quran or sunnah. And the more righteous a person is the more likely his dreams are to be true but only dreams of the prophets are certain. |
Empiree:No oo, Boda it's your assignment to reference your post. |
AhluSunnah:After how many provings? There's no scholar in the world, past or present that ever had your opinion. Your interpretation of The Quran clearly contradicts the unanimous understanding of the companions. Isn't that enough to show that you are on plain error?! The only sect of Islam that hold your opinion are the khawarij sect. It's the fact whether you like it or not. Your sheikh Jabata claims to have studied his methodology from Sheikh Robi Madkhali. His younger brother Ustadh AbduLLah Jabata Abu Taymiyyah said its a big lie. And I even gave you a link to where sheikh Robi stated clearly on his official website that he is not a proponent of such error. Jabata even affiliated himself with Sheikh Saleem alHilaalee, when the sheikh was called he clearly disassociated himself from your ideology. The story of some of your fellow Jabata followers who entered Iwo and said there's no believer in this town reminds me of the two kharijites who went for hajj. While doing tawaf one of them said to the other: "All these people are in hell except you and I". The other one shouted: "jannah, wider than the length of the heavens and the earth together was created for only both of us?! I have left it for you alone" then he returned to the people of sunnah. You claim to be independent of scholars but when there opinion suits your desires you jump to it and cling onto it like a drowning person. Isn't it a matter of desires?! No scholar in the history of Islam ever called spoon Haram let alone saying that it is an act of disbelief, your ideology does not only sadden the learned it is also laughable. The root and cause of the khariji ideology is the delusion that they are independent of companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum in interpreting The Quran. Isn't it the same song you are chanting today? Quran and sunnah only no scholar! You are headed the wrong way no doubt. Lastly, I said this and I can defend it anywhere: "ANYONE WHO MAKES MASS TAKFEER IS A POTENTIAL TERRORIST!!!" Note: If you want to respond you better do it like a student of knowledge not in your unrefined words. Speak like an erudite else you only publicise your ignorance more and I won't bother to respond. I rest my case. Assalam alykum wa rahmatuLLaah wa barakaatuH. |
SubhanaLLaah, this is not the best way to kill a camel. Camels should be stabbed with a knife close to the heart. |
Obviously OP is most biased or most Ignorant! Anyone who follows world politics will know the internal and external pressure the Saudi government is battling with. Is Saudi Arabia the only Muslim country? What of Dubai, Egypt, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Iraq, Libya etc are they not entitled to a portion of the responsibility?! Lastly, ignorant folks like the OP think lousy shouting is the only way to show concern. |
BaarakaLLaahu feekum |
AbuUthaymeen:I swear to Allah you are sickening. You buttress your points with baseless arguments are plain emotions and insult. Reading your posts are sickening even when you are not on the wrong side. |
Empiree:Of course this is a false claim. Some people were known to be seekers of truth but they erred in some matters that were ambiguous to them due to the place and time they lived. Example of such people are Ibn Hajar, Soyootee, Imam Shawkaani, Imam Nawawiyy and (I hope) Sheikh Adam al-Ilori. Some of those kind of people were opurtuned to meet guided scholars who would explain the truth to them but they insisted on their error. Such scholars or people have no excuse: he is an innovator or sinner or disbeliever depending on the type of his deviation. On the other hand many of them didn't anyone to explain to them such the aforementioned. And some met someone and they were blessed with repentance. The last two categories are not to be rebuked. Now, if a person insists and persists on his innovation even after it had been explained to him and continues till death such person should be left to what he has pushed forward for himself. Talking negatively about the dead is a detested act except if there's some greater benefit. These are one of the reasons why the people of sunnah avoid discussing Sheikh Adam. @underlined, thank god you said market women. And i hope scholars do something about it. Besides, i can not confirm your allegations cus i am learning this first timeAlhamduliLLaah, you aknowledge that calling upon the dead is shirk. You should now be writing and speaking against it. it starts from me and you. |
AlBaqir:please speak English or at least type in Yoruba language. You are not communicating. Abi your dotage and senility don reach chronic? |
Abdul Kabir confirms a pagan festival, Nooru d deen supplicates for the anger of long dead, rotten, worm-eaten ancestors in need of help, not to descend. Tell me, how shall the muslims be successful?!!
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AlBaqir:There's something called istitraad in balaghah (Arabic eloquence). The speaker diverts a bit from the topic to another because of a link between them in other to make his points clearer. Obviously you are too ignorant of simple things like this. # @bold, when Dhahabi is not omo àlè, why won't he support his masterSee how you contradict yourself. |
AbdelKabir:Abi oo my brother. That's the Takfeeri cum Jihaadi Spirit. And these jbt boys will say they are not Kharijites... Do you know that these guys are what the west ignorantly/unjustly call the Jihaadi-Salafi movement. Salafiyyah is free from them and their evil ideology. |
AlBaqir:So you are the new clown of this section. Allahulmusta'aan |
AlBaqir:This is great injustice. I'm not surprised that you are saying this, it's the way of deviants and innovators to curse and insult whoever speaks against and uncovers their misguidance. No wonder one your sheikhs insulted Imam with words not expected of an ignorant Muslim let alone scholar. For what reason? He said Bukhaari did not report the hadith of ghadir Kum. Probably he's too blinded by ignorance and/or sectarianism to realize that Bukhaari set strict conditions of authenticity for his book. I downloaded the first volume of your most revered Al-Kafi book which is like Soheehul Bukhaari to you shia. The first hadith in the book had an amputated and paralyzed chain. I swear to Allah shism is a joke! Ibn Taymiyyah is as his student (Imam Dhahabiyy) said: I have never seen a man like him and he never saw a man like himself. Allah Akbar. # @Underline, yeah that (and many more) was what made Ibn Abdulwahab father of terrorists. So you can see your hypocrisy by loving him but hate his children: ISIS, ALyuu-QAEDA, BOKO HARAM.Obviously OP erred greatly in his comment. Jabata boys like Op cannot be trusted with one's life, family and property. The same applies to shias. Anyone who makes mass takfeer is a potential terrorist! Ibn Taymiyyah and Muhammad AbdulWahhaab are free from Op and his ideology. AlhamduliLLaah. |
Allah I seek aid and said and safety from. Sheikh Adam AbduLLah al-Ilori is a scholar of Islam, he specialised in Arabic language but was a mutafannin (diverse scholar and writer). He subscribed to the Ash'aree aqeedah and the Sufi methodology of practicing Islam. Sheikh Adam wrote many books during his lifetime. I own and have read a number of his works. The truth is he was very devoted to gathering and teaching knowledge. This made him build a centre (markaz) for learning Islam. However, with the revolution in Islamic knowledge and understanding, it is now clear to the knowledge seekers of Yoruba land that sheikh Adam al-Ilori was hyped. However, the knowledge he possessed was beyond par for the civilization of the place he lived during his lifetime. However, it is the sunnah of Allah that no man will ever be free from error. Sheikh Adam had his errors and mistakes but we hope that the good he did will overrule those errors and faults. The people of sunnah out of justice do not claim infallibility for Sheikh Adam or any other scholars of Islam. The Sufis find it difficult to understand this because they love to be excessive in praise of people till they raise their sheikhs to the level of divinity. That is the reason why you will find sufiyyah people going to Adam's grave to make dua and offer oaths and sacrifice. Obviously this is disbelief that takes one out of the fold of Islam but we won't call them disbelievers because these followers (many of who are market women) are ignorant folks. They should be enlightened and educated not thrown out of Islam. |
AbdelKabir:Oh Allah! I was shocked to see that OP is a jabatawiyy Takfeeriyy. No wonder that clown was beating his chest like a gorilla and saying crap. And that Takfeeri guy is a big ignoramus, there's no element of knowledge in his argument. I don't expect more from him, the only thing they know is keferi keferi and keferi. May Allah grant us beneficial knowledge. |
wolesmile:This your deduction is erroneous. Why? The Quran is a book of guidance, it is unjust and unwise to think that Allah will reveal this Quran and not guide us to its explanation. The sunnah is the explanation of The Quran: Surah An-Nahl, Verse 44: بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran So it is not for every Tom, Dick and Harry to delve into as he wishes. The meaning Of the Quran is preserved just like its words. |
[s] AlBaqir:[/s] You wish you were funny...clown! you wish you made sense.. . Dotard! |
udatso:I don't know links but I can list books for you. They're in Arabic though. Even if I send links they will be Arabic link. As for your last statement, it's a complete evidence against you. You can't blame anyone for your lazy approach to knowledge. |
Note: All what I have mentioned are in shia books and this infidel called AlBaqir has himself argued shamelessly for many of them on this forum. He has argued that lesbianism and homosexuality are perfectly natural and thus not Haram! He has insulted eminent companions like Aisha, Abu Hurayrah and even claimed that the messenger labeled Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman etc apostates. SubhanaLLaah! Days before the death of the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam he ordered that Abu Bakr lead the people in solah! Does an apostate lead solah?! And the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam even said Allah and His Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam reject except that it is Abu Bakr (that leads the solah) And this deviant has even argued that The Quran has been distorted. I ask Allah for safety. And he has argued that it is permissible to call on others asides Allah such as saying Yaa Ali, Yaa Husayn claiming that it's tawassul. After Allah rebuked the pagan Arabs for this same act saying: Surah Az-Zumar, Verse 3: Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran I can keep listing but people are so ignorant these days, I mean ignorant of The Quran and sunnah they have no knowledge of Islam except the actions of their fathers. People don't read. I swear to Allah, if you read a classic shia book, you won't finish ten pages before you start cursing them! Only Allah can requite them for their evils. |
@OP if these accusations are the only misguidance of the shia I swear to Allah they would have been included among the sects of Islam but the misguidance of the shia is far beyond comprehension. We ask Allah for safety. The shia take sand from the grave of Hussein in karbala to the kabah and make sujood on it! SubhanaLLaah. The shia give Ali rodiyaLLaahu anhu the rights of Allah and they claim its only a form of honour such as shouting Yaa Ali in times of distress. SubhanaLLaah!!! Even the ignorant pagan Arabs didn't do that: Surah Al-Ankaboot, Verse 65: فَإِذَا رَكِبُوا فِي الْفُلْكِ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاهُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ And when they embark on a ship, they invoke Allah, making their Faith pure for Him only, but when He brings them safely to land, behold, they give a share of their worship to others. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran The shia commit adultery and fornication and still call it marriage rather they call it a deed of great reward! They build brothels and call them holy places. SubhanaLLaah! The shia accuse Allah of being ignorant of the way the Sahabah will end their lives. When confronted with overwhelming evidence from The Quran and sunnah about the virtues of Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman and Ali and the other ten given tidings of paradise the shia say Allah didn't know that they would later become apostates that's why he praised them. . Shia sheikhs are the biggest of liars, they shamelessly fabricate stories and attribute them to the people they claim to follow. This is because it is obvious that Ali, his wife and sons rodiyaLLaahu anhum never ever hated any Sahabah. Ali sent his two sons to protect Uthman and his government from rebels. This is the government shias claim to be illegal and against Islam because Ali rodiyaLLaahu anhu was the rightful owner of the government as they claim. When the shia couldn't argue against obvious realities like this they resulted to cooking, frying, roasting and grilling lies. You See that the misguidance of the shia is far beyond mere change in solah or ablution. It is an entire religion on it's own. It is a fabrication, a whisper from the devil. I ask Allah for safety. But due to the great ignorance of the Muslims today, this infidel can come and rant crap and many will still say he has a point. إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون. |
AlBaqir:[/s] Deviant!!! You first said you wouldn't reply then you started posting your series of distortions that you call reply. Seems your devils bringing you inspiration didn't come on time! |
AlBaqir:Well Muhammad was alive but Husayn is dead! So, this hadith points to the permissible tawassul: asking a living pious person to pray for you. Not calling on the dead. Otherwise bring one -just one- authentic report of a member of household who did this your innovated tawassul after the death of the Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam. Muhammad is a prophet, Husayn is not. A number of scholars have mentioned this hadith among the signs of prophet hood. I won't be surprised if you say Husayn is more virtuos that the prophets. The shia have greater evil claims, like saying Jibreel made mistake, Ali was the true owner of prophet hood. subhanaLLaah . Muhammad receives revelations, Husayn doesn't! Allah could have given him a specific order which is special to him and this particular case not to anyone else. Also, the man said: accept his intercession for me and my intercession for him. Do you say anything similar to that in your evil tawassul. Then the man didn't even sit in his house, and start seeking tawassul or calling ya Muhammad or lola anabi etc. Rather he went to him alyhissolaat wassalaam and said : "pray for me" They are not equatable! And lastly but most importantly: You erased the beginning of the hadith where the Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam promised to pray for the man. The people of sunnah know that Muhammad alyhissolaat wassalaam will not break his promise, meaning that he prayed for the man. Then the man asked Allah to accept that dua of the prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam. |
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