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http://quranx.com/hadith/Muslim/Book-32/Hadith-61/

And the Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam said to Fatima rodiyaLLaahu anha:

Oh my little daughter, don't you love what I love? she replied: of course (I do), he alyhissolaat wassalaam said: I love this (woman i.e Aishah). Then Fatima stood upon hearing that and informed the other wives.


Except if you want to claim that the messenger loved a disbeliever, adulteress and Allah chose a criminal as wife for his messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam!!!


Here is the admonition!!!

He implicitly commands Fatima alyhassalam to love Aisha!!!

This love is not a mundane love, never, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam would never do that. He only loves and hates for the sake of Allah! Even the ordinary believer not to talk of a prophet.

As for the wives of the prophets mentioned in the Quran. The verses only say that they are wives not beloved, and every sound person knows that not all wives are beloved to their husband.

Every innovator is an apostate according to you and your filthy shia sheikhs.

Since Aisha and Hafsoh were declared apostates in Surah tahreem -according to your misguided exegesis- why did the messenger still keep them both?

Why did Ali give his pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr since he is an apostate?

Aisha lived during the time of Ali's khilafah, he should have killed her because she is an apostate. Why didn't he?


The case of Aisha is different from the case of the two wives mentioned in the Quran because: The messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam loved her beyond anyone else even his daughter as is in the hadith of AbduLLah bn Amr bn Aas.

Allah will never make an apostate have right to this kind of love from his messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam.

In summary, you and your shia sheikhs posses more understanding of what it takes to be a believer more than the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and the household Alyhimussalam.

I'm giving you clear texts showing the love and honour between these eminent parties but you decide to shove them under the covers.


As for your mathematical stunts in calculating the companions.

I tell you, Allah revealed verses that will be recited till the day of qiyamah regarding these companions.
For example is the verse of Ridwan pledge of allegiance. Allah clearly states that he is pleased with them in suratul fath. And Abu Bakr was undoubtedly among them.

The implication of your misguidances is that Allah was ignorant of the future actions of those people.

Farmerforlife:
Christians dont like going, it is not our fault. They know that it is just a baseless sightseeing jamboree. Where in the bible is going to Jerusalem mandated?

Even if Jesus (alyhissalam) descends now, he wouldn't recognize anything in this religion they ascribe to him, not even that dude they all believe to be him!!!

Wait, Christians are really gullible ooo! If the devil appears to them in the image of that dude, they would instantly believe it's 'the Lord'!

AlhamduliLlah for the mercy of Islam.

AlBaqir:
You that don't even know a Da'if hadith from Sahih hadith even in your books (Alhamdulillah Shi'a have corrected you several times), how possibly can you ever research on Shi'ism and its creed academically and intellectually? Ònà re Jin gannn.

Actually, it's you who has repeatedly displayed ignorance on this forum, and you even added stubbornness!
Any hadith you think supports your misguidance is mutawatir to you!
Why don't you quote a scholar of hadith who graded it as mutawatir.

Note: mutawatir is different from soheeh or hasan.

# Here is a Shi'a (on this thread) exposing your lies and misconceptions concerning the Ahl al-Bayt, all you can muster is the usual propaganda that your Shuyukh of yore failed woefully upon. When exactly do you guys gonna learn from the mistakes of your Shuyukh? The very best you and your cohorts know how to do is to derail topic the moment you are exposed.

You know well that you are distorting texts.

The only thing special about you is that you have a lot of time to type and design your misguidance!

lexiconkabir:
Many times on this forum, we've seen misguided folks trying to ridicule the personality of Abu hurayrah, a great man, who was VERY PIOUS AND TRUTHFUL, one of the allegations levied against him is, "the time he stayed with the prophet was very short, how could he have narrated so much ahadith"

I say: abu Hurayrah is not alone in having narrated a lot. Many of the younger Companions such as ibn `Abbās, ibn `Umar, ibn `Amr, abu Sa`īd, Jābir, `A’ishah, Anas and others narrated plenty and had dedicated their time to teaching.

Abu Hurayrah narrated a lot due to several reasons, such as:

a- He always stuck by the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) side, since he accompanied him for four years. He himself said: “People say: Abu Hurayrah narrates much. Know that if it weren’t for two verses I would not have narrated at all: {Lo! Those who hide the proofs and the guidance which We revealed,} until {I am the Relenting, the Merciful.} Our brothers from the Muhājireen were busy working in the markets, while the Ansār were busy with trade. However, aba Hurayrah was always alongside the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), hoping to be fed. I’ve witnessed what you have not and I’ve heard what you have not.{Bukhārī 118}

b- The Prophet (peace be upon him) asked Allah to strengthen his memory. Abu Hurayrah narrated: I said: “O’ Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), I hear a lot from you but I keep forgetting.” He said: “Extend your cloak.” I extended it. He grabbed it with his hand, then told me: “Embrace it.” Since I did this I haven’t forgotten a thing.{Bukhārī 119}

c- Abu Hurayrah had dedicated his time for teaching.

d- He had a lot of students, almost eight-hundred in total.

e- He died much later than others, in the year 57 or 58 Hijri.

Moreover, his narrations can be split into these categories:

a- Weak narrations incorrectly attributed to abu Hurayrah.

b- Repetitions, which is often the case.

c- What he narrates from senior Companions, such as the ten and the Mothers of Believers, but he wouldn’t mention their names as he trusts them, and this is known as Mursal al-sahabī.

d- His own words and sayings.

Bukhārī and Muslim have agreed on 326 narrations from abu Hurayrah only. Bukhārī narrated 93 from him exclusively, while Muslim narrated 98 from him exclusively. I add, most prophetic narrations reported by abu Hurayrah are not solely transmitted by him, but was backed by other Companions who also narrated them.

What proves his great memorization is what al-Ḥākim wrote, that Marwān summoned abu Hurayrah and began asking him while a man, who hid in the room, would write down everything. When a year passed, he summoned him again and asked him about the same matters that were documented in the book, so abu Hurayrah repeated it all without additions or subtractions.{Siyar A`lām al-Nubalā’ 2/598}

Testimonies of the people of knowledge concerning abu Hurayrah:

Al-Shāfi`ī said: Abu Hurayrah was the best at memorizing narrations in his time.

Abu āli Dhakwān said: Abu Hurayrah was the best of the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) Companions in memorizing.

Al-Dhahabī said: An Imam, a Faqīh, a Mujtahid, a hafidh, a companion of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and master of the hufadh


This reply is originally that of sheykh Al-khamees(may Allaah be pleased with him) with some modifications by me...

JazaakumuLLaahu khayraa. Meanwhile the shia are coming for your head

Thanks so much for the quoting and referencing.

I'm glad to remind you again that:

#The love of the household is not disputed by the Ahlu sunnah in any way.

# The love of the household is not the only love we have been obliged to posses. The love of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum is also a key part of faith which you and your filthy shia sheikhs shamelessly neglect. If you were sincere in your claim you would love the people that Allah, His Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam and his household love.

For a typical example of Ali's respect for Abu Bakr see the hadith beloe
http://quranx.com/hadith/Muslim/Book-32/Hadith-61/

And the Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam said to Fatima rodiyaLLaahu anha:

Oh my little daughter, don't you love what I love? she replied: of course (I do), he alyhissolaat wassalaam said: I love this (woman i.e Aishah). Then Fatima stood upon hearing that and informed the other wives.


Except if you want to claim that the messenger loved a disbeliever, adulteress and Allah chose a criminal as wife for his messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam!!!

or you want to say Fatima didn't hold on to the admonition of her father alyhissolaat wassalaam.

So, you see your shia religion is nothing but pure misguidance. I have no iota of doubt in it!!!

I ask Allah to make me end upon goodness and make you repent before Death catches up with you.

AlBaqir:
Falsehood. If the Prophets are not inherited:
# So, why did, according to Quran, Nabi Sulaiman inherited his Father Nabi Dawud, not only in Prophet-hood but also in wealth, power and kingdom?
# Why did Nabi Zakariyah prayed to Allah for a son that will inherit him?

I've explained this distortion as you requested earlier.
Please ponder on the following verse perhaps you will restrain from evil and false exegesis of the Quran!!!

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 171:
يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا

O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

You can only "probably". So, if Bibi Fatima, the leader of all women of paradise did not know the hadith of her Father, does that mean that her husband, the most knowledgeable of the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet, is also ignorant of this hadith? Or does that mean Bibi Fatima does not obey her husband? Then, what made Bibi Fatima never to believe the "hadith of her father" when Abubakar read it, yet she died while angry bitterly with Abubakar and never talked to him till she died. Or Is there a single record that she ever reconciled with Abubakar before her death, "probably" when she "realized" the bogus hadith?
Besides, can ordinary "worldly" inheritance made her so angry that she will never talk to Abubakar et al till she died? After all the popular hadith of Nabi is that a muslim should not keep malice for more than three days. Hers was till her death (6 months after the death of her father).
# Another Sahih hadith says whoever does not pay allegiance to the Imam of his time, his death is that of the time of Jahiliyyah. Bibi Fatima alayha salam never talked to or pay allegiance to Abubakar till her death. However she is the leader of the women of Paradise. Was that "misunderstanding" an issue of worldly inheritance?

Yes, I can only 'probably' because that's the best excuse I can find for her rejection of this hadith of her father. If I was like you, I would have declared her a Kafir because of it. But the people of sunnah are merciful and just. We try to give excuse because we know nothing about her except piety and goodness!!! May Allah have mercy on her.

You see how you contradict yourself?!

Ordinary worldly inheritance can't make Fatima angry but it make a prophet cry. SubhanaLLaah.

Her refusal to pledge allegiance is not a condition for Abu Bakr's khilafah.

In fact, it's an evidence against her because it's rebellion, but Abu Bakr knew the rights of the household so he honoured her.

Then her husband explained the reason why she turned away as is in the hadith of soheeh Muslim that I quoted earlier.

We both know that there is no evidence in the verse of Zakariyyah and Dawood to support inheriting the Prophets Alyhimussalam.

Because:

I have five tafseers of the Quran and they all say the inheritance in the verse of Zakariyyah is knowledge and Prophethood.

What I have mentioned is the opinion of Ibn Jareer Tobariyy in his tafseer


Imam Ibn Katheer: Reports sound chains from AbduRazzaq bn Ma'mar bn Qatadah, Zayd bn Aslam, Abu Solih, that the inheritance is prophethood.


In tafseer Jalalyn it says: He will inherit knowledge and Prophethood.

In tayseer Kareem Rahman by Imam Sa'diyy: A pious slave that you are pleased with..... and this is the best of children....

In tafseer muyassar: it says He will inherit my prophet hood and the prophethood of Ya'qoob and make this child someone you are pleased with and your slaves too are pleased with.


please anyone who has the books I mentioned above should see Surah Maryam verse six for the full exegesis as I have explained

This shia AlBaqir is a real distorter!!!

The anti-spam bot has been dealing with me seriously. I seek Allah's assistance.


As for your claim that Ali and Fatima hated Abu Bakr, the narration of Imam Muslim clearly explains the love and honour and understanding that Ali had for Abu Bakr.

It also shows that Fatima and Ali thought that Abu Bakr misunderstood the narration because of the general meaning of the verses of inheritance and their extreme closeness to the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam, so they thought they were an exemption.


http://quranx.com/hadith/Muslim/Book-32/Hadith-61/


Please see the above hadith for the full story


It is narrated on the authority of Urwa b. Zubair who narrated from A'isha that she informed him that Fatima, daughter of the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ), sent someone to Abu Bakr to demand from him her share of the legacy left by the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) from what Allah had bestowed upon him at Medina and Fadak and what was left from one-filth of the income (annually received) from Khaibar.

Abu Bakr said:
The Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) said:" We (prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." The household of the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) will live on the income from these properties (i.e a fifth of the war booty) , but, by Allah, I will not change the charity of the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) from the condition in which it was in his own time. I will do the same with it as the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upun him) himself used to do.

So Abu Bakr refused to hand over anything from it to Fatima who got angry with Abu Bakr for this reason. She forsook him and did not talk to him until the end of her life. She lived for six months after the death of the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ).


When she died, her husband. 'Ali b. Abu Talib, buried her at night. He did not inform Abu Bakr about her death and offered the funeral prayer over her himself. During the lifetime of Fatima, 'All received (special) regard from the people. After she had died, he felt estrangement in the faces of the people towards him.


[b]So he (Ali bn Abi Talib) sought to make peace with Abu Bakr and offer his allegiance to him. He had not yet owed allegiance to him as Caliph during these months. He sent a person to Abu Bakr requesting him to visit him unaccompanied by anyone (disapproving the presence of Umar). 'Umar said to Abu Bakr: BY Allah, you will not visit them alone. Abu Bakr said: What will they do to me? By Allah, I will visit them. And he did pay them a visit alone.

'All recited Tashahhud (as it is done in the beginning of a religious sermon) ; then said: We recognise your moral excellence and what Allah has bestowed upon you. We do not envy the favour (i. e. the Catiphate) which Allah nas conferred upon you; but you have done it (assumed the position of Caliph) alone (without consulting us), and we thought we had a right (to be consulted) on account of our kinship with the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ). He continued to talk to Abu Bakr (in this vein) until the latter's eyes welled up with tears.

Then Abu Bakr spoke and said: By Allah, in Whose Hand is my life, the kinship of the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) is dearer to me than the kinship of my own people.[/b]


As regards the dispute that has arisen between you and me about these properties, I have not deviated from the right course and I have not given up doing about them what the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) used to do. So 'Ali said to Abu Bakr: This aftetnoon is (fixed) for (swearing) allegiance (to you).

So when Abu Bakr had finished his Zuhr prayer, he ascended the pulpit and recited Tashahhud, and described the status of 'Ali, his delay in swearing allegiance and the excuse which lie had offered to him (for this delay). (After this) he asked for God's forgiveness. Then 'Ali b. Abu Talib recited the Tashahhud. extolled the merits of Abu Bakr and (said that) his action was nott prompted by any jealousy of Abu Bakr on his part or his refusal to accept the high position which Allah had conferred upon him, (adding: ) But we were of the opinion that we should have a share in the government, but the matter had been decided without taking us into confidence, and this displeased us. (Hence the delay in offering allegiance. The Muslims were pleased with this (explanation) and they said: You have done the right thing. The Muslims were (again) favourably inclined to 'Ali since he adopted the proper course of action.

See how you recklessly declare people to be disbelievers.

Now I understand what Sheikh Bakhet meant when he said that anyone who calls the sinner a kafir is only following the methodology of the shia.


I ask Allah to soften your heart and make you repent before Death because this your path is a stray path undoubtedly.

As for Fatima being deprived of her father's inheritance:

The prophets are not inherited, the only inheritance they leave behind is the beneficial knowledge that they leave behind for their followers.

As for their wealth, it's to be kept in the baytul maal (state treasury).

And Abu Bakr deprived Fatima, his own daughter Aisha and other members of the household from inheriting the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam rather he kept all the wealth in the state treasury.
Then he ordered that they be given a share of a fifth of the war booty which the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam ordered that Ibn Abbass be given as explained earlier.


Fatima rodiyaLLaahu anha was angry at first probably because she didn't know the hadith at the moment.

No one encompasses all the sunnah of Allah's messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam.

I just pray to Allah for your guidance!!!

AlBaqir: You keep repeating the same cycle of distortion.

Firstly: The fact that The Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam mentioned those four eminent people doesn't negate the membership of some other people from the household.

Secondly: There is no way people won't have misunderstanding, the crises between the companions didn't make them transgress the bounds of one another. Why should you go overboard.

thirdly: The civil war of Ali's time didn't start during his era, it started with the killing of Uthman by some rebels who seiged him in his house. Even Ali bn Abu Talib sent his two sons to protect Uthman in his house. And Ali gave his daughter to Umar in Marriage.

Imam Bukharee also narrates that once Abu Bakr observed Solah asr (for the people) then he left (the mosque), he saw Hasan playing with the other kids, he put him on his shoulder and rhymed:

بأبي شبيه بالنبي
لا شبيه بعلي
meaning: he resembles the Prophet he doesn't resemble Ali
And Ali was present and laughing (soheeh bukharee 3542).

So the companions gave each other love and respect, they never cursed one another. In fact during the fitnah, they didnt take war captives because everyone was only doing Ijtihaad.

captaing59:
Am not starting...already learnt something before

Okay, you should try to attend those sittings I mentioned.

Abu Naasir halqah holds at Islahudeen mosque off Olaiya junction.

Dr Fadil's class holds at white mosque in Iludun.

At those gatherings, find a brother and talk to him about your search. in shaa Allah you will be directed.

Demmzy15:
You can try Ede!

There are two sound Ahlu sunnah madrasas in Ede, Markaz Salafiyyah by Abu Muhammad Al-Edewiyy and Madrasah Tawheed directed by Abu Mutmainah and the al-Atharees.

I've attended both in the past.

Then there is a Madrasah in Ife, though it's very far, Daarul Kitaab wa sunnah, Oluorogbo.


For the time being, you can attend Ustadh Abu Naasir halqah on Imam Shawkaani's book Durorul Bahiyyah. every Sunday, after Asr.
And Dr. Fadhil's tafseer of Imam Sa'diyy tafsir called tayseerul Kareem Rahman.



If I may ask, have you learnt anything before or you just want to start.

DeathStroke007:
In Hadith Sahih... Rasulullah (saw) said, "I LEAVE YOU WITH TWO THINGS, AS LONG AS YOU HOLD THEM TIGHTLY, YOU WILL NEVER GO ASTRAY.
THEY ARE; THE BOOK OF ALLAH(QURAN) AND MY SUNNAH(SAHIH AND HASSAN HADITHS)"

may Allah increase us in steadfastness upon the sunnah and understanding of the sahabah rodiyaLLaahu anhum.

This hadith is a direct retort to those who say that the hadith is not a reliable source of guidance and legislation in Islam.

Who are the Prophet's household?
They are the people who are prohibited from eating sodaqah. They are the Prophet's wives, offspring and every believer in the offspring of AbdulMuttalib (the grandfather of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam)

The evidence for including the uncles of the Prophet (i.e children of AbdulMuttalib) is the hadith that two of the Prophet's cousins (Ibn Abbass and AbdulMuttalib great grandson of AbdulMuttalib went to the Messenger of Allah requesting him to put them in charge of sodaqah so that they would use their payment to get married. The messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam said to them: Indeed sodaqah isn't fit for the household: it is the filth of the people.

The evidence for including his wives is Surah Ahzab 32-34:

O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (IqamatasSalat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove ArRijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.

And remember (O you the members of the Prophet's family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allah and AlHikmah (i.e. Prophet's Sunnah legal ways, etc. so give your thanks to Allah and glorify His Praises for this Quran and the Sunnah). Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, WellAcquainted with all things.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran


This verse shows that the wives are included undoubtedly, because the verses before are talking about nothing but the wives.

The evidence for including the offsprings is that the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam included them in the household as reported by Muslim (2424).

However, the love honour of the members of the household is a secondary to the honour of Eeman. If a member of the household disbelieves such as Abu Lahab then his lineage wouldn't help him in the sight of Allah.
Some members of the household also deserve increased love and honour because they also have the virtue of being sahabah (companions) such as Ali, Aishah, Fatima, Abdullah bn Abbaas Hassan, Hussein etc.
Those of them who are not companions also deserve love and honour with the condition that they are believers.
The messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam: I remind you with Allah regarding my household (three times).

Imam Ibn Taymiyyah may Allah have mercy on him said in aqeedatul waasitiyyah:

They (people of sunnah) love the household of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam and support them, and they preserve the admonition of the messenger of Allah.
In summary, loving the household is an obligation and a part of Eeman.
However the fact that the household have some rights and virtues doesn't negate the virtues and right of other believers especially the companions who protected the religion with their wealth and blood.


Two sects went astray regarding the rights of the householdf
First are the Rafida or Shia, who went extreme in their love till they raised them beyond their status, the most misguided of them even raise Ali above the prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam.

The second group are the Nasibi who curse and insult the household.

HOW DO LIARS GET TO SLEEP?
A RESPONSE TO THE SHAMEFUL “OAU MUSLIM COMM AND MSSN” BROADCAST ON SOCIAL MEDIA
Balogun I.A
*Page 2*

In the jumbled note bereft of substance or style, the faceless writer committed intellectual suicide by writing “the MSSN OAU _and_the Osun Area Unit stopped to have the support of the sisters”. Except “and” means something else, it implies that the Osun Area Unit he was defending was actually in the same boat with the MSSNOAU he was castigating! They were together on this; all the positives and negatives should be jointly claimed. If an individual’s action is what you are building your faulty case on, you are no different from the Islamophobic press which views the actions of any Osama or ISIS as the action of the Muslims. An individual’s action, which was against the view we both shared is what you have brought forth brother! You didn’t read that article to yourself before going to press? It made you look insipid and funny!

Wait a minute! If you agreed that the MSSN came in (year 2005 actually) to resolve the MSSNOAU- Muslim Community conflict, how come your low level cretins in the name of parallel MSS OAU executives now claim no MSS existed in OAU for 15 – 20 years? You should have told them to polish and harmonize the lie with yours! The same way you said we removed the MSS name and logo. What won’t liars say? So when we removed the MSS name, what did we adopt? Our banners, posters and magazine carried TMC-OAU or OTM-OAU? I mean, I just don’t get how people can reach such ridiculously low depths in telling lies. The truth is we removed the “moon-star” logo but retained the name. Why? There is no reason in the Shari’a against the name but there is, against the ‘moon-star’ logo. Scholars of Islam over the ages have said this sign is not a symbol of Islam and even traced it to pre-islamic Turkish paganism. Little wonder why some Christian apologetics have sought to attack Islam based on this. We communicated this to you but you were not ready to yield to evidences. To you, it’s always the group’s views and ways – even when in stark opposition to the law of Allaah! Anyone who professes Islam should readily submit to the laws of Allaah and that is what Islam means.
*{O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitan (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy.}*
*[Qur’an 2:208]*

But then, blind allegiance to the groups and individuals does just that; it blinds!
I want to see the faceless author and ask him if they derive carnal pleasure from shouting KBC‼ I remember how they went from “they are sponsored by DCL, Lagos” to “they are sponsored by the Jews”. For the record, we never stopped going to IVC if just for the sake of the unity. We only stopped attending your programmes when we always were the butt of vituperations at gatherings we left our primary aim on campus for. Rather than rot away at programmes overly non-beneficial and listen to insults, we minded our local problems. The problem MSS had with us on this is that we didn’t restrict people from attending other programmes apart from those of MSS. How that is a problem is beyond me! Are the others not Muslims too? Why is it wrong to go to KBC or any other apparently more beneficial programme than the IVC? Is IVC hajj or umrah? We never prevented anyone from attending IVC. One other thing, we never took sisters to IVC without their mahrams! And this also was one of the major problems they had with us! To them, anything to further the course of the group is to be done irrespective of its shari’a implication.

FriendChoice:
They insult some and not all because of their political selfishness. Some shi'a believe in the companionship of Aliyu (R.D) and debunk the companionship Ma'awiyya and other caliphates (R.D). Shi'a honour Hussain and leave Hassan,. This is purely political selfishness and political gains, from then they begin to alter the Islamic teachings itself.
I wouldn't even continue to argue with you please even if you quote me.

Major aim of this thread is to inform the world that Allah has forbidden sect's in Islam. Alhamdulillah my task is done.

They insult some companions, and still it's not a religious matter?!

By the way, the love of the Companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum is not a political matter in Islam at all its a basic creed because insulting them is tantamount to disbelief in the many verses that mentioned their virtues and right.

It's just like Mursi of Egypt was saying that the difference between the Muslims and Christians is not religious it's just political!!!

Someone says Our creator has a son, was killed and other crap that they say, you still say it's not a religious difference.

Most likely you don't know the rank of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum in Islam, any offense against them is an offense against Islam. please enlighten yourself.

Insulting a single companion is enough to declare a person as a deviant.

lexiconkabir:
So in nutshell you believe that the sunnah has been tampered with even when Allaah said he will protect it?

That's the way innovators behave, they don't restrict themselves to the texts, they give supreme verdict to their intellect not knowledge.

The implication of this is everyone would be free to accept or reject whatever he wills in the religion depending on what his intellect no matter how corrupt and ignorant it is.

So, there is no wisdom in sending the messengers Alyhimussalam when the human intellect would still be the final judge not the revelation.

Paradoxically, those who rely on intellect don't last at all before they are thrashed by scholars of sunnah even when debated with the intellect they claim to follow.

Empiree:
I no longer understand how you think. You are losing it. The post was not directed at you. Therefore, I quoted what was necessary to the person in question. Is there a problem in half quotes?. Absolutely not. You never came across where a quote starts like this,

".........DEF? and ends like this UVW......"

And then you quote Qur'an to buttress your point. Far as i am concern you just trying to digress instead of addressing baqir.

You don't stop Marvelling me with your vain talks and baseless goals.

Isn't there a difference between cutting a part of the quoted part off because it's irrelevant and cutting it off so as to distort the meaning of the original speaker?!

You are talking to enlightened people here, just in case you forgot!

You intentionally cut the concluding part because it will show that the hadith is against you not supporting you!

Empiree:
Na him sabi. His problem is, once he tags someone "non-salafi", nothing good is from them. They must be "deviants" as he call them. That just blocks sense of rational reasoning..

The hadith that a man will soon come to lying on his couch, denying the hadith and accepting only Quran. You better quote the rest of it and edit your post. You intentionally erased the last part because it exposes your deviation.

Which other evil is greater than concealing the revelation?!

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 42:
وَلَا تَلْبِسُوا الْحَقَّ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَتَكْتُمُوا الْحَقَّ وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ

And mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth [i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah's Messenger and his qualities are written in your Scriptures, the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you know (the truth).
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 159:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَىٰ مِن بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ أُولَٰئِكَ يَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ

Verily, those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran
Tell me, if you are not a deviant!

FriendChoice:
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Or I said you better keep quiet if you have no knowledge. Show me where I address those who have Gotten their Jannah as if there are my landlords. Those who work for Islam with everything on the line.

In fact you are totally saying nonsense. Allow those who have knowledge to speak. who said HE dishonor this and that.....
You did not even understand what I wrote before writing your trash.

Go and find the history of Kawarij and Shi'a first pls. Aliyu R.D fought shi'a himself cux they even try to worship him. At the end Shi"a are still the one who kill Aliyu the Lion of Islam R.D


Better respect yourself if you don't understand what I'm saying.

Basically my statement is based on the Ayat of Quran that forbid any sect in Islam.

What we have as Muslims is Quran and Authentic Hadith(Sunna of the Prophet (PBUM) and his Sahabas)

I won't respond to your insults because I only accept in intellectual criticisms.

The last part of your post is a shot you gave yourself in the foot!!! You added the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum to what we have as Muslims. Meaning one of our basis is following the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum.

But we all know that the shia curse the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum, please tell me is the difference between the Sunni and shia still political.

FriendChoice:
Surah Anaam, Ch. No. 6, V. No. 159 that… ‘Who
ever makes sects… divisions in Religion of Islam,
he has nothing to do with Allah (SWT). ’ Means,
making sects is prohibited in Islam.

Continue to call it a lie. What lead to shia is purely selfishness and politics by the followers of the two last sahabas Alaihummus Salam. Which Aliyu R.D fought them before he died.

Basically it start with Kawarijun to shi'a. And the present day shi'a is the politics of IRan

It's better for you to keep shut if you don't understand the basis of the matter else you will say something that will cause you regret in your hereafter!

The sahabah are not people you should be addressing like you address your landlord or some other Tom, Dick and Harry!!!

Even when Ali disagreed with some sahabah rodiyaLLaahu anhum on some issues it didn't cause him to dishonour them or call them disbelievers rather he honoured Aisha and preserved her status as the mother of the believers, he also gave Umar bn Khattaab his daughter Ummul Kulthoom as wife.

Then some generation of heretics came and started claiming to be shia (followers and lovers) of Ali, but anyone who studies their methodology and origin will know that they are followers of the cursed AbduLLah bn Saba (the Jew who claimed to accept Islam but only entered it to cause havoc).

Jay542:
This post is purely correct. It's poltical. Everything nowadays is. People deviated for political reasons. and cos of the deviation are no longer called Muslims.

It shows you know very little about shia/sunni disparity!

bolaji73:
Salam Alaykum waramotulai wabarakatuhu. Greetings to all the mumini and muminat on this forum. As it is known in Islam, that it is good to seek clarification for what one has low or no knowledge on, a reason why I have to bring this issue here.The issue has also lead to a heated argument between myself and a female friend.Fellow Muslims WHAT'S ISLAMIC POSITION ON FEMALE?

Read this for the meaning of female circumcision and the health benefits of female circumcision
https://islamqa.info/en/45528

How is circumcision done in Islam?
https://islamqa.info/en/9412

If you have any questions after reading you may ask.

FriendChoice:
Q. What is the difference between the Shias and the Sunnis?


Brother, the difference… it’s a political difference. Actually in Islam, there is nothing like Shia and Sunni –

There is no ‘Shia’…. ‘Sunni’ mentioned in the Holy Qur’an.The Qura’n says in Surah Al-Imran, Ch. No. 3, V. No. 103… (Arabic)…‘Hold together to the rope of Allah, and be not divided’ – there is nothing like ‘Shia’…. ‘Sunni’ in Islam.
These came in later centuries…afterwards, due to political differences in Islam. Muslims are only one category and are no sub categories like… Shia, Sunni or anything. Because Qur’an say clearly in Surah Anaam, Ch. No. 6, V. No. 159 that… ‘Who ever makes sects… divisions in Religion of Islam, he has nothing to do with Allah (SWT).’ Means, making sects is prohibited in Islam. The difference between Shia and Sunni is a political difference, and not a religious difference. Hope this answers the question. Dr.Zakir Naik

This post is very far from correct. You wouldn't find any Sunni or shia cleric saying something like this.

The difference between the Sunni and shia is purely religious and doctrine entwined not political basically.

The Muslim nation was one until the people deviated and started creating factions, therefore what is needed is for us all to return to the pristine Islam.

The pristine Islam is the Quran, the Sunnah and the understanding of the best generation which are the companions of the Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam

HOW DO LIARS GET TO SLEEP?
*A RESPONSE TO THE SHAMEFUL “OAU MUSLIM COMM AND MSSN” BROADCAST ON SOCIAL MEDIA*
Balogun I.A
*PAGE 1*

The hijab of the Muslim woman has always evoked a great deal of emotions with the Muslim populace. It could be as little as the headscarf or as much as the niqab covering the face. So when people throw up issues around it, many more issues are sure to crop up. Cue the unintelligent reactions of CAN to the judgments granting Muslim kids the right to wear the hijab in schools. This is why the ill-advised revisionist who brought up the sad case of the sisters using the niqab who have suffered untold oppressions over generations in OAU has been able to sell his story of innuendoes.

The summary of the true story of niqab in OAU is told by Professor Rogers Makanjuola; arguably OAU’s most liberal and listening VC in recent history in his memoir: ‘Water Must Flow Uphill’ in two strong sentences; the last being the key one here.
“It is very likely that some of the protesting members of staff, Christians of extreme views, also had religious motives behind their objections. THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WAS ALSO AGAINST THIS FULL VEILING.” (Page 212)
That settles that.

Now, isn’t it a reflection of the comedy of the MSSN tragedy that they would turn around to create such silly excuse for the Imam and some members of the Muslim Community that: “the community felt the population of lecturers and students who were Muslims were few and it was not yet time to start the use of niqab”! So, that is an excuse to fight those who seek to obey Allaah and His Prophet to the level of their commitment? So ‘stop obeying Allaah till we have enough numbers’! Brothers and sisters, that’s what MSSN has become; a despicable ensemble ready to sacrifice anything in order to serve their group’s interest! A travesty! We never argued against the need to have more students and staff, we just never saw why that should be more paramount than supporting those who seek to obey Allaah even in the midst of great tribulations. How absurd that the MSSN felt obeying Allaah will prevent us from attaining worldly good?

Little wonder then that the Brother Hadiyat AbdulRazaq Ajao, a former IVC coordinator and serial MSS leader expressed regrets over fighting for the niqab then. He stated this at a secret gathering for a kangaroo executive council being mooted by the unholy alliance between MSS and OAU Muslim Community in 2010. Note that the spread of this repulsive article I am responding to has also been traced to his person. He is unknown to many, still soured and scarred by his double failed quest to become the Ameer of MSSNOAU recently. I can understand someone running as far back as 2001 to bring an indictment against a people looking forward already beyond 2016. One is fixated on the past, comprised of individuals well past their prime; granddads claiming to be leaders of a “students” body; while their supposed adversaries are young, vibrant, dynamic boys and girls ready to give their all to soar the kite of the Islamic call beyond groupism and sectarianism.

People are just recycling the same crap they have posted before especially this heretic infidel calling himself AlBaqir

AlBaqir:
HOW MANY AHADITH NARRATED BY ABU HURAIRAH ARE TRULY FROM THE PROPHET?

Imam al-Bukhari documents

Chapter: It is obligatory to spend for one's wife and household.

باب وُجُوبِ النَّفَقَةِ عَلَى الأَهْلِ وَالْعِيَالِ


Narrated Abu Huraira:

"The Prophet (s) said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"

The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Messenger (s) ?" He said, "No, it is from Abu Hurairah's bag


Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5355
In-book reference : Book 69, Hadith 5
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 64, Hadith 268
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/69/5


NB: Notice how he starts this “tradition” by saying, “_The Prophet ( ﺹ) said_,” then when they refuse to believe what he tells them, he admits by saying, “... _this one is from Abu Hurayra's pouch_!”

Little wonder how Abu Hurairah who barely knew the Prophet (less than 3 years he accompanied with the Prophet) managed to report thousand of thousands (6000+) of ahadith while for example Ali ibn Abi Talib who accompanied the Prophet for more than 30 years was said to report less than 500 hadiths.

NO WONDER PEOPLE OF HIS TIME USED TO SUSPECT HIM OF LYING

Imam Muslim documents:

Chapter: It Is Recommended To Put Shoes On The Right Foot First, And To Take Them Off From The Left Foot First, And It Is Disliked To Walk In One Shoe


Abu Razin reported:

Abu Hurayrah came to us, and he hit his forehead with his hand, and said, "YOU PEOPLE TALK, SAYING THAT I ATTRIBUTE LIES TO THE MESSENGER OF Allah*, peace be upon him, in order to guide you while I go astray. Verily, I testify that I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, saying: 'When the thong of anyone of you is broken, he should not walk in the other one until he has repaired it (i.e. the damaged one).'"

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2098 a
In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 112
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 24, Hadith 5233
http://sunnah.com/muslim/37

This report shows us that the people of Abu Hurayrah's time used to accused him of fabricating hadiths on the tongue of the Prophet! Secondly, these people were his own followers! They accused him of forging hadiths FOR THE PURPOSE OF GUIDING THEM! Only his followers could have created such an excuse for him.

You see AlBaqir you are continuously showing your ignorance and stubborn partisan misguidance, but you don't know.

# Probably you are too busy reading your cursed shia books to know that there is something called mudraj in the science of hadith.
Mudraj is a hadith that the statement of the reporter gets mixed up with the Prophet's statement alyhissolaat wassalaam. One major cause of mudraj is that the reporter is trying to explain the hadith to his listeners but wasn't careful enough to call their attention to the fact that he's explaining or the listener(s) were not attentive enough to differentiate between the two.

This also happens in the school, when you your lecturer pauses his dictation to explain some point, some students also write the explanation thinking that it's part of the note. Sometimes, the students ask: "is it part of the note sir?" or the lecturer simply tells them not to write it because he's only explaining.

Some people may ask how do the scholars of hadith know the difference?
I say: One way is for the narrator to declare the idraaj as Abu Hurayrah has done here either after being asked or even without being asked.
The other ways are too technical to explain here.
So, the concluding part of the hadith is Abu Hurayrah's explanation.

# The way you jump from one point to the other is just like a coward and clueless wannabe soldier running from one weak defense to another after being exposed by a formidable offense.

AlBaqir:
Sahih Bukhari at it again

Narrated Abu Salamah:

Aisha's brother and I went to `Aisha and he asked her about the bath of the Prophet. She brought a pot containing about a Sa` of water and took a bath and poured it over her head and at that time there was a screen between her and us.

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 251
In-book reference : Book 5, Hadith 4
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 251
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/5


What a crazy hadith! Umm al-mu'minin took shower in front of non-mahram (Abu salama). The hadith funnily says (وَبَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَهَا حِجَابٌ - there was a screen between her and us ). So, how did both viewer knew "...and (she) took a bath and poured it over her head."? Perhaps it was a transparent hijab (screen) between Umm al-mu'minin Aisha and those two men. Or were they looking at her naked shadow? Subhan'Allah.

In truth, you are the one who is crazy!!!

# Tg lesson she wanted to teach them was that a saa' of water is enough for ghusl not the way to perform ghusl. So, the called for a saa of water and it sufficed her. It's not a must to see her before they learn this.

# She is the mother of the believers just as you said, so, she is not like every other woman rather she and other mothers of the believers have unique honours which Allah has granted them