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Well I see that you people deleted my post in reply to Olabowale. I therefore cease to reply on this thread

@Olabowale:

There you people go derailing the thread again. But consider these:

Nezan, if you have that verse from the Quran or the ahadith, I will like to know it.

When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example (mathalan), behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)! And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people. He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example (mathalan) to the Children of Israel. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth. And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (ilmun) (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed. When Jesus came with Clear Signs (al-bayyinati), he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear God and obey me. For God, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way. But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!" S. 43:57-65 Y. Ali

The Qur’an states that the Prophet was recurrently questioned concerning the timing of the Day of Judgement and was repeatedly commanded by God to simply reply, "Knowledge thereof belongs to God alone." In the Hadith records, however, the Prophet supplies numerous predictions of events that will herald its coming. Since the Qur’an is so insistent on how the Prophet should respond to these queries, I find it odd that he would offer so many details and hints about the arrival of the Hour. (Lang, Losing My Religion: A Call For Help [Amana Publications, 2004], p. 250)

In his footnote he provides a whole slew of references which expressly deny that Muhammad knew the future:

140. Surahs 7:187; 10:48-49; 27:71; 31:34; 32:28; 33:63; 34:29; 36:48; 43:85; 51:12; 67:25-26; 72:25; 79:42-45. (Ibid.)


It is wonderful to know that all abrogated verses remained in the Quran, except what Nezan and others called the satantic verses

The event of the Satanic Verses shows how a verse in the Qur'an could be modified or deleted at a later date. This is an example of the Qur'anic doctrine of abrogation. The Hadith also records several other occasions where verses of the Qur'an were modified, added to or deleted.

Narrated Al-Bara: There was revealed: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah." (Qur'an 4:95)
The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)." Then he said, "Write: Not equal are those Believers who sit , ", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order for me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above verse, the following verse was revealed:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah." (Qur'an 4:95) (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 512, Khan, agreed)
This account clearly records the revision of 4:95 from its initial to final form. This type of modification is exactly what happened in the account of the Satanic Verses.

Here is another example.

Narrated Sahl bin Saud: When the following verses were revealed: "Eat and drink until the white thread appears to you, distinct from the black thread" (2:187) and "of dawn" was not revealed, some people who intended to fast, tied black and white threads to their legs and went on eating till they differentiated between the two. Allah then revealed the words, "of dawn", and it became clear that meant night and day. (Bukhari: volume 3, book 31, number 141, Khan)
And another example.

Narrated Said bin Jubair: Ibn Abza said to me, "Ask Ibn 'Abbas regarding the Statement of Allah: , ', nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause , except those who repent, believe, and do good deeds.'" (25.68-70) So I asked Ibn 'Abbas and he said, "When this (25.68-69) was revealed, the people of Mecca said, "We have invoked other gods with Allah, and we have murdered such lives which Allah has made sacred, and we have committed illegal sexual intercourse. So Allah revealed: 'Except those who repent, believe, and do good deeds and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.' (25.70) (Bukhari: volume 6, book 60, number 288, Khan)
And another example. In this case the verse was removed (cancelled) from the Qur'an altogether.

Narrated Anas: , We used to recite, "Inform our people that we have met our Lord, He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased". Later on this Quranic verse was cancelled. (Bukhari: volume 4, book 52, number 57, Khan)
Thus the Satanic Verses are not the only example of where the Qur'an was revised and modified. The modification of the Qur'an was a characteristic of how it developed. In fact, enough verses were modified or deleted that it made people doubt Muhammad was a genuine prophet and the issue had to be dealt with in the Qur'an:

And when We exchange a verse in the place of another verse - and God knows very well what he is sending down - they say (to Muhammad), "Thou art a mere forger!" (Qur'an 16:101, Arberry)


How is Quran plagiarised when some people have proven in the Christian camp that Allah was used in the Christian Bible, because they, the Christian Arabs have no choice but to use Allah, The God, as a response, to the already existing Quran in clear Arabic

Funny, you mean God was called Allah in Jesus time? is Allah Aramaic or Arabic?

@ Mushin,

Please you are derailing the thread. I don't want to appear as if I am quarelling with you. Enough said on the matter? Let me rest.

Sex=Roles in Naija movies?

muhsin:
You are a smart-ass, Nezan. I pity your whole belief and idea regarding who really is Jesus?

Must you always resort to name calling in the midst of superior argument?

muhsin:
Don't you know I know you are the first to derail the OP? But as you realized you are cornered with fact you decided to run.

You were the person who derailed with questions that were not connected, but I answered them all. I haven't run, Iam still replying your posts.

muhsin:
May Allah guide you, bud.

No way, the blood of Jesus and his grace are sufficient to see me through

Unless Iwu is removed, this will remain a tale forever, na today?

$osisi:
Abuzola is a real Muslim.
I can see him blowing up himself and others in a crowded street if presented with the opportunity.
Have you read his threads?
The guy is as deluded as them Muslims in arabia
a classic nut

At least he would like to share in the sexual orgy in his warped view of paradise

Keep up the good work

@Muhsin,

We have greatly derailed on this thread. The issue of discuss was Mohammed's lusting over a baby of six years and you have tactically tried to take my attention from that. But seems we have all agreed that Mo was a paedophile.

To your question, if you believe that verse, why find it difficult to believe John the Baptist's testimony that Jesus was the son of God that took away the sins of the world, and the testimony of God that Jesus was his son?

You choose parts of the bible to quote and at the same time claim it is not the original injil, e tire me-o.

Good is, mohammed had a thing going for them young babies of six years, abi?

olabowale:
@Nezam: While you do not answer questions in discussions, you do not have to be caustic, at the same time! I as a yoruba man, and if you know how yorubas are with women, and at my age how the middle aged men in the western countries are chasing every tail they see, Muhammad (AS) singly, by my copying his human quality have stayed aware from unclothedness and cheap sex in America!

I know tons of Yorubas, Igbos and inbetween, in my age group in America that are worse than dogs, in their sexual perversions. Yet, none of them is without a wife! These people are all Christiians.

The muslims that I know, in america in my age group or those who pray regularly are safeguarding their sexuality. We are watchers over and against ourselves and the potentials of crossing the line! A person who knows what sin is should guard themselves against it. That is the beginning of cure and repentance and altimately forgiveness of that sin.

I like virgins. I also know that marriage is the correct way. So I will prefer a virgin for marriage, rather than a cheap thrill with a community chest outside marriage! You should try it sometimes. First, start having girlfriends. If you dont, that is good. Then make sure that the next sexual experience you will have is in your marriage, whenever that time comes.

But that shouldn't make it approved. If you do something that was wrong, it remains wrong, no need justifying it.

The fact that Mohammed lusted over a six year old baby was wrong, no need trying to justify it.

ah, Sugar mummy. No spoil dat boy-o

muhsin:
Yes.

You seem to be dull, dont your prophet say Jesus was the greatest of all men?

muhsin:
Any reason/proof?

Are you denying the existence of the satanic verses that were later abrogated? why did you think Ayatollah Komenei declared a fatwa on Salman Rushdie?

muhsin:
That doesn't answer my question at all.

You seem to be dumb, the answer was self explanatory

muhsin:
Answer me directly; yes or no?

How do you trust a plagiarized book when you have the original?

If you dont have serious issues to discuss, stop wasting my time, please.

This agenda + the other 7 abi? make una let person hear word jare

I hope the criminals will be brought back together with our stolen monies abroad

olabowale:
Nezan the mo money mo friends didn't survive the 1990s after the death of Biggy Small and the song about it by Face! That was a decade ago, man. Just reminding you, thats all. No hating please.

One love

olabowale:
Nezan: Has 21st century changed God from what He used to be in the Medieval ages? And would you prefer to marry a virgin or a "community property" as your wife? Today in america it is a pride to be virgins before marriage. Every woman wished they were. Every person who is a virgin is keeping it for that special someone!

Will anyone wants to have a community property for a sister or a virgin? I know what I want my nieces and grand nieces to be. I want by sons and all male persons in my life to be virgin, until he is married.

Virginity is a virue; There is a thread saying that in the religion motherboard. Read and then contribute your opinion against it, and wait for the virgin women to sear what you said. Before long, they will call you an immoral man!

I believe dat was why your prophet was lusting over a baby of six years-because she was a virgin

Abuzola:
Keep deceiving yourself.



Quran 6:48
And we send not the messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believe and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall ''''come no fear nor shall they grieve''''


get that to ur medulla oblangata

Oblongata, pally

Una dey mind dem?_{yeye politicians}

George_D:
here was a rhetorical question somebody asked in today's guardian newspaper
and it begs an answer from our thieving senators: "if all the other senators before
them had automatic tickets, will they be here today?"

To imagine that Mark has been in the senate since 1999, yet he is not willing to let another person to contest with him. Automatic ticket? anyway they will get themselves a deal before you know.

George_D:
yes, we can 'trip' at the millions for now but i assure you,
nobody will be tripping at that acre five, ten years from now.

how do u mean

Why are they finding it difficult to privatise NEPA and NITEL? I believe it all boils down to the corrupt tendencies of our leaders

sley4life:
its a mirage

u r right on dat

defman:
Go to Koko Mansion, you will see what makes a good wife

na2day?:
@ poster

dont let it bother u, i have never fallen under anointing too, in fact i made it a point of duty never to fall under some preacher's anointing. for me elephant blue detergent too cost for that kind thing

In as much as some people fake it, there are still true believers that actually speak in tongues

e be lyk say dis one na rumour. How come dem neva start de impeachment process?

defman:
The guy is still lamenting?
This one no be president go-slow anymore (at least go-slow dey move small small), now na president break-down. Yeye man

Una too hard on de guy na

pek:
the first thing you have to is TRY to love her!!!!!!!!. if for no other reason, she is the mother of your child. if you love your child, then is it only wise that you want him to feel the love from both parents. But if on the other hand, you dont feel up to it, then both of you should part ways in peace. that is, after a true heart to heart talk with her first and secondly, with every other person concerned. when you make up your mind to do this, dont let anyone talk you out of it.

yeah

guysmat:
Man-woman biz is a very RAM consuming task.
Even your hard drive will attest to this.

MrCrackles:
Topic
Yar'Adua's going to the G8 summit is like transporting an effigy to the venue and then sitting it calmly around other real invites/representatives
The difference is that the effigy will just be staring as it is obviously clueless hence will not get anything onboard or make valuable contributions!

you guys are ridiculously funny

sheriffman:
Yuguda has lost it all,indeed this is a clear case of grace to grass
He has lost popularity so much that I don't see him recovering from it
but then He seems to have forgetten that what goes around comes around
lets just be patient and pray for the people of Bauchi state and Nigeria as a whole.
E GO BETTER

Shame on Yuguda

walestar:
Differents kind of advice, think well and be sure you use your money well.

true sha

kok:
Three options;

Your Marriage;
Your Job
or Both.

Definitely anyone will choose both. So its up to you to hold your grounds and play maturely. a No! is never an offence unless it is wrongly exhibited. so watch out for the appropriate opportunity to spell out your No before the act becomes as usual!

yes-o

azubyky:
i think econet i mean vodacom, Oh sorry Celtel i mean V-mobile asin Zain they are confussed people. watch out for the next name it could be vivendi or divendi maybe davinchi