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I wish I knew how that last post implicates rather than further absolves Emenalo.


The whole point of the discussion was to establish whether the transfer decisions Emenalo is being blamed for were made at his level.

SInce its now been established that Emenalo doesn't actually sign players, then what is it that Emenalo can actually be blamed for?

You posted an interview with a Piet de Visser saying that he went directly to Abramovich with KDB report and he was signed.

Other Emenalo haters have stated that Jose was the one chasing Cuadrado, and there he is getting signed

Rudi Garcia (Hazards ex manager) mentioned Abramovich spoke to hazarduous direct through Drogba's phone andeals he was signed.

So how much transfer power does emenalo actually have?

That's why I asked you how Marina determines what a "fair price" is for a player....that was 3 pages ago, and since then you have varicated and jumped around that question posting irrelevant points.

Because you know that if you dare attempt to answer the question, your argument is over.

Lemme even give you an incentive.

Give me verifiable facts i.e. direct from a named Chelsea source, on how Marina determines what a "fair price" is, and I will deactivate this handle immediately.

Not only that, I will register a new handle called IbimeIsAlwaysRight or IbimeIsGod, and use that instead.

If after this, you still cannot or refuse to answer the question, then just retire as the p u ssy that you are, and let the thread move on.


Deal?

AdeLaNa1:
And i ve a friend who thinks he's another over rated English player. That he's amother Macheda. SMH!!

If the boy gets game time through out next season, he's gonna end up as one of the best strikers in the team

He's definitely has the talent

donjazet:
Guyz!!! Plz stop it already!! We just lost our best manager in our history to our bitter rivals and you guys are not even feeling the pinch!!!! For Christ sake, how do we just end our love fest with him and turn on him week in week out!!

I support Chelsea first and foremost not Jose. And to be honest, due to Jose's antics and drama I didn't even want him back at the club in the first place. I remember calling him an European reject at the time sef.

However he won me over with his behaviour and trophies in the first two seasons. 3rd season he reverted to type and to be perfectly honest, I'm glad hespecially gone with his negativity and BS.

I see your point about the arguement ...upon reflection it seems to have lost meaning along the way. I will not say a single thing on the topic again...not like anything we say is of any consequence anyway.


GoodNight.

Ayam outta here.

This guy keeps running away from the key things that we ask and posting nobody said.


You mentioned the Times blamed Emenalo as being responsible for preventing Benitez from signing a midfielder

I clicked your article and did not see Emenalo discussed like that.

It costs money to view the full article and Nairalanders might not want to pay to view this expose.

I asked asked you to post the excerpt so other people could read it.

You ran away and said youre going yo bed

Now youve come back with pictures that irrelevant. What does Ba and Gourlay have to do with Emenalo


Answer the questions, post the excerpts or hide your far head in shame

Ibime:
See me see trouble.

He is using the current Chief Executive Marina as reason why Emenalo can't sign midfielders.

I have also given him the former Chief Executive, Ron Gourlay as an alibi for Emenalo, he is rejecting it.

Whom the Gods want to kill, they first make mad.

Goodnight.

Hahahaha


Post the excerpt of the article you claims fingas Emenalo as the culprit.

Third time you're running away.

Goodnight you clown.

Dadehmola:
FYI, Enrique isn't better than David Moyes!

Abeg, must Barca fans defend anybody affiliatiated to their club even when the records speak otherwise??

Before Enrique became Manager at your club, he was a nobody - how does this obvious truth change the fact that Barca is a successful club or some positive stuff like that?

Why be say you dey always vex these days?

What's your problem?

I find it interesting that you can post all the links in the world and write multiple paragraphs...

But somehow you cannot answer a simple question.

Ibime:
You must be an eediot using creative licence to link Mike Forde and Ron Gourlay.

Ron Gourlay was Chief Executive before Marina and handled negotiations same as Marina or any other CEO like Ivan Gazidis or Ed Woodward.

Don't be ashamed to claim Ron Gourlay as part of your campaign. He is another bogeyman I have given you to defend Emenalo with.

If Marina the Chief Exec can be used to defend Emenalo, her predecessor as Chief Exec Ron Gourlay certainly handccuffed Emenalo, unless your level of stewpidity has now single digit IQ stage.

Please claim Ron Gourlay. We must follow your logic to its conclusion.

Meanwhile put your specs on, and read that Times article again. Don't stop reading till you reach Emenalos name and tell me whether he didn't reject Benitez request for a central midfielder and tell him to recall Josh Mceachran if he wants a midfielder.

You have the intelligence of a lab monkey.

I showed you the Chelsea website with Mike Forde listed on the board.

I showed you his job description as listed on the website

Marina has come on and has taken on that exact same job description and you're here chatting nonsense.

Dude post the excerpt from the article implicating Emenalo here....let people read it. Unless Control-C no dey work for your computer

Or hold your peace

I'm out in town tonight. Tommorow I will come and post Gourlay's profile on the board here and we shall see if Gourlay was responsible for player transfers.

Griffon you ain't gonna like this.

Another one of the media sources (The Telegraph) that you insisted was a credible site has this to say:

Mention any deal Chelsea are involved in and Granovskaia’s name comes up: whether it was hijacking Tottenham Hotspur’s £30m move for Willian or the wrangle over fees paid to agents in Demba Ba’s £7m switch from Newcastle United or John Terry’s new contract. Agents and clubs all mention Marina.

One former Chelsea manager referred to Granovskaia as being part of the “gang” – Abramovich’s close circles of preferred advisers which includes another former manager, Bobby Campbell, the scout Piet de Visser and an agent Vlado Lemic – but she is far more important than that.

If someone wants to contact Abramovich, they contact Granovskaia, while if he wants to query why a decision has been made over a player or what can be done about Torres’ poor form, for example, then it is her who speaks to the manager.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10833362/Marina-Granovskaia-Chelseas-fixer-and-the-most-powerful-woman-in-world-football.html


They also had this to say:

There had been some claims that Michael Emenalo, Chelsea’s technical director, was driving transfer deals but his remit remains with developing and looking after the young players. Granovskaia deals with Mourinho and Roman Abramovich.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11656790/Chelsea-Iron-Lady-Marina-Granovskaia-lays-down-law-on-transfers.html


I don't believe everything I read In the papers for this very reason. The paper you are quoting can't even seen to make up their mind!

Ibime:
It is either Emenalo is utterly incompetent; or he will only start upgrading the midfield properly when his brother Mikel leaves. I am hoping it is the latter and not the former.

Let's move on. . . .

Still waiting for the excerpt from the times article you posted that mentions Emenalo by name as the guy causing Benitez problems.

Why is it that everytime you are asked a question, you want to move on.

Yet you come back to butt into conversations tgat don't concern you?

Ibime:
Ron Gourlay was Marinas predecessor as Chief Exec you clown.

So if Marina has been handcuffing Emenalo from 2014 till date, then of course Ron Gourlay was handcuffing him from 2011-2014.

And of course, you still have Mike Forde to throw into the mix as another bogeyman.

This clown probably had his head in his anús when Benitez asked for central midfielder in 2013, and Emenalo shut him down. Benitez had to come up with the bright idea of using David Luiz in midfield to circumvent Emenalos opposition, which saved our season.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/article3638755.ece

You are a clueless clown. Of course, go ahead and tell me Times Newspaper is one of the ones that got sued; while waiting for me to produce list of Emenalos targets from Chelsea website till you grow grey hairs on your scrotum.

When I said some fools have nothing between their head and like forming ITK, you must be the worst example I have come across.

You are an absolute fool.

Mike Forde was sat on the board and his job description was listed as 'being responsible for player transfers'

He left, Marina came in and her job description includes ' being responsible for player transfers'


You continue to Gaffe.
Your article posted states that Benitez was having problems with the club Hierarchy regarding signing players....it does not mention who.

If this is a lie, kindly produce the excerpt from the article you posted mentioning Emenalo by name as the guy causing trouble.

But since you want to use The Times, let us use The Times.

This article states that Marina has " Complete Control over Player Transfers" right in the first paragraph too

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/premierleague/article4533467.ece

So can you please explain how your article implicates Emenal?


I'm still waiting for your answer to my original question

You sef know say dem no born you well to answer that question, because all your emenalo argument crumbles into dust.

Ibime:
This is why when you too were busy sucking shekpe keepers d~ck, some of us were following arguments between Emenalo and RDM and Benitez over central midfielders.

Of course Emenalo was discussing CMs with his managers. . . . to tell them to shut up and face front when they asked for CMs.

Like I said before, Mikel must get space to play.

All of a sudden, you went and found an American-Russian lawyer lady who doesn't know the difference between fullback and midfielder and only became CEO in 2014 to pin the blame on.

Oh and before her it was Ron Gourlay in her position handcuffing Emenalo.

And before 2013 it was Mike Forde.

All 3 somehow aligned with a great phobia for midfielders along with 4 managers who have worked under Emenalo.

I have told you that when you finish exhausting all bogeymen for Emenalo, feel free to use an Emenalo apologists excuse who told us in 2013 that Emenalo has not updated his midfield because UEFA Homegrown Rules have exhausted all the space in the squad for midfielders. It applied in 2013 and it can still apply for you today in 2016.

No excuse under the sun will sound foolish to us, because we have heard worse. If you like, blame our lack of midfielders on oil price.

Like I said, when you finish your display, ask your kinsmen to come and carry you from the market. I will no longer entertain your utter foolishness because the sane man caught arguing with the mad man in the market will be mistaken for a fellow mad man.

Dude phuck off and stop writing rubbish.

I asked you a simple question hours ago and you were talking about wanting to end the conversation.

Now I'm discussing with another poster, and you've butted your dull head into the convo.

Mike forde was clearly Marina's predecessor on the board.

If according to you, Marina determines if the price is right, then I have to ask you again


HOW does she determine the right price?

If you are to cowardly to stand by your opinion, just crawl back into your hole and allow me to continue my condos in piece

Personally though, I can't wait for Pep to flop this season.

I hope to be close to the dugout at Etihad, when Burnley or West Brom give a collective middle finger to possesion footy and sneak a 1-0 win, so I can gather and drink his delicious tears.

My intention for next season is to groove on Bayernsale thread every time loses a game. If he does a losing streak, I might even outsource the faaji to Barca thread too

Ibime:
My guy there's only so long we can entertain foolishness. Allow this thread move on abeg.

pamcode:
I think i begin to see your point now. You simply don't want to follow speculations or Guess work. It seems you believe Emenalo could have been shortlisting players(Cm's inclusive) for the club to sign but not all his list have been granted or perhaps some have been vetoed.
Well you could be right tho i believe you are wrong (i have no proof of course). Me believes for us to be able to shell cash on attackers like cuadrado for example when we have got Willian, salah, schurlle, Hazard etc who could conveniently offer what cuadrado had to offer not to mention the youth then we should be able to sign Cms which we urgently needed If Emenalo had shortlisted them.

#my own opinion.

Of course your opinion is valued.

I have been very careful to request verifiable facts and not speculation and opinions.

The truth of the matter is, nobody has a freaking clue how the transfers go on at Chelsea.

Journalists don't attend board meetings. Bloggers are not privy to information.

All we know for certain is what the club tells us.

Emenalo might be utterly incompetent, but he will have eyes. We currently have only 3 first team CMs. 4 if you count RLC.

You honestly believe that the head of scouting would not have discussed with the manager and his extensive scouting and pushed for CMs?

Chelsea reportedly bid up to 75 million Euros for Pogba last season but the bid was rejected.

Emenalo himself confirmed that the club went for stones but Everton refused to sell, and we know from the media that Jose wanted him

Even on Papy, Jose said while he wasnt his choice, he trusted the person that recommended papy completely because the same person that recommended Zouma was the one that recommended Papy.

This is my point, it's clear from the verifiable info that we have from soundbites and Chelsea as a club, that Emenalo is not working alone in recruitment.

He is consulting with the manager, and he has no power over financial decisions. I mean Ibime even posted an interview with the man where he state he didn't know if the player he was scouting would be signed by the Club.


That's why I personally have to question the narrative that Emenalo is mainly to blame for Chelsea's slump last season, and that Jose is blameless....because it makes no damn sense, at least to me

Yet when I ask for proof, all I get is convoluted speculation and unverified articles from people who are on the outside of the club just like us.

Ibime:
Griffon what is your mate talking about?

He was not following when RDM and Benitez asked Emenalo for midfielders and Emenalo not only failed to recommend but fought with the managers over.Wanyama was one example.

Or he forgot for example that our own scout Guy Hillion has been begging for Chelsea to sign Gianelli Imbula for the last 4 years and somehow Imbula keeps moving to lesser clubs but not Chelsea.

From Mike Forde to Ron Gourlay to Marina, both past and present, even the dead are handcuffing Emenalo.

Abeg leave this man.

A tuoro omara, o mara, a tuoro ofeke, o fenye ishi n'ohia.

Oga why can't you just answer the simple question


You told us that Marina determine the right price


Please tell us how.

raumdeuter:
So let me ask

A. what are the expectations for Pep at City,

B. what are the expectation for Jose in Man utd

C. In Case A and B are not the same, Give reasons

Obviously both are expected to win.

United would not reportedly pay Jose 5m pounds just to stop him from speaking to other prospective employers, in addition to a further reported 12m pounds annual salary for him not to win.

The man himself said it today

"I'm ready for it. I'm proud. I'm honoured. I cannot wait for 7th July to go on the pitch.

"I think we can put our club into perspective. One perspective is the last three years; another is the history. I prefer to forget the past three years.

"I want to win. I need the supporters and players to feel that."

Pep too has to start winning straight away. He's the clubs first marquee signing this season.

Both must begin to win straight away in my opinion

City has a relatively weak squad though.

Aging fullbacks, injury prone captain, expensive but useless centerbacks, only 1 decent CM, 2 average wingers, a prospect in Kelechi, KDB and Aguero.

Silva and Toure look to be badly in decline...though in Silvas case, he has been playing with an injury for half the season

Pep is literally starting from the bottom here, though with almost unlimited amounts of cash

He has a lot of work to do.

Griffon:
Do you enjoy digressing? All things being equal there's no effing way a defender or goalie can be valued higher than a forward or even an attacking midfielder. A footie neophyte knows this. The David Luiz, Mangala, Hummels, Otamendi etc sort of deals are once in a while sort of deals, they don't happen everyday. Nigga please.

Back to topic.

Emenalo gives Marina what he 'thinks' suits the philosophy he's pursuing - the tiki-taka model. I'm convinced of this fact b'cos in the last 5 years we've been able to ship in a titanic load of attacking midfielders whilst ignoring the need to restore steel in the middle of the park.

I'm convinced of this fact b'cos Marina has shown over the years that she is capable of sealing deals, so negotiating a deal for a CM wouldn't be a problem given Emenalo recommends them.

If you think Emenalo has been recommending CMs and Marina has been faltering with sealing the deals, don't you think Emenalo being the TD would raise alarm over a possible imbalance that is being created by Marina?

TBH It would be quite silly to think that Marina gets to seal the deals of the attacking midfielders that are recommended then falters each time a central midfielder is recommended.

You keep raising points that you cannot actually answer.

1. If Emenalo actually raised an Alarm, how would you Mr Griffon know?

2. Back to the shortlist, you still haven't answered if you've seen Emenalo's shortlist. How do you know who was recommended?

Logically you've already lost the argument. Like I said earlier, Ibime saw where it was going and ran. Someone who has been offering his unrequested opinion for the last 48 hours suddenly decides that he no longer has anything to say

The argument has now gone from the initial Emenalo 'failed to sign' and 'Emenalo failed to present a vision' to Emenalo 'failed to recommend'

All I need from you now is that Emenalo your actual proof that Emenalo failed to recommend

Ibime:
Bros leave this thing, make we clear space for other Chelsea fans to discuss other matters.

Why are you trying to duck the question though?

How does Marina determine what in your own words a fair price is?

Griffon:
These evaluations are geared towards reaching a figure finito.

Due to the current transfer trend in footie and fees continuing to spiral out of control, Chelsea saw the need to have Marina around, not to decide who is good to play for Chelsea but who is good for a particular figure.

Let us assume Emenalo recommended Isco for Chelsea. Marina would get a call to come and negotiate.

Amid the negotiation, she'll consider how important Isco is to Madrid i.e squad status. If he's indispensable or not. This determines how much she quotes for the player. She'll consider how old Isco is as this would determine his resell value. She'll consider Isco's position. Attacking midfielders, central and wide areas in the final third of the pitch and forwards are considered premium. Defenders and goalies on the other hand come at decent prices.

She'll consider all these before making an offer or counter-offer to Real Madrid.

She's concerned about the price because she is working with a budget. She doesn't care if Isco is what Chelsea needs on the field of play, she believes Emenalo the technical director knows better. She only cares about the budget.

If at the end of the day Emenalo ends up recommending twenty Iscos and Marina ends up sealing twenty Iscos deals, would you now blame Marina for Chelsea not having Modric and Kroos?

The first part of your post is a crude and uninformed representation of how a transfer works

The bit about the forwards being premium and defenders coming it decent prices in contrived BS especially in an era where Mangala reportedly costs the same as Ozil, Luke Shaw reportedly costs around the same as Alexis Sanchez, Hummels reportedly costs more than Fabregas, and Otamendi reportedly costs as much as Lukaku

That alone suggests that you're not entirely sure what you're on about..

In any case that bit is irrelevant, as whatever transfer process is involved in signing a centre-back is the same in signing a striker.

Instead, I will focus on the most important part of your post.

"
If at the end of the day Emenalo ends up recommending twenty Iscos and Marina ends up sealing twenty Iscos deals, would you now blame Marina for Chelsea not having Modric and Kroos?"

Can you prove that Emenalo only recommended twenty Iscos to Marina?

Have YOU seen the shortlist?

Is a copy of the actual shortlist published anywhere?

If yes, then share the contents of said shortlist.

If no, then this is the time to admit that you don't really know what Emenalo gives to Marina to ratify.

Griffon:
The sort of players she evaluates their valuation is the question.

How many CMs have she evaluated for Chelsea in the past 5 years?

How can you be blaming Marina for Emenalo's incompetence.

This is astonishingly absurd!

The only players we saw signed for the first team were the ones that successfully passed Marina's evaluation.

Do you know how many players she looked at before choosing to sign Fabregas?

Did you see the shortlist that Emenalo presented to Marina?

If you did, cold you please tell us exactly who else was on the shortlist?

Griffon:
The sort of players she evaluates their valuation is the question.

How many CMs have she evaluated for Chelsea in the past 5 years?

How can you be blaming Marina for Emenalo's incompetence.

This is astonishingly absurd!

Wait

Who said Marina evaluates players to sign based on their ability, importance and position?

Was that me?

Or is it backtrack time?

Griffon:
You're dancing around the truth.

Marina is concerned about balancing the books whilst Emenalo is concerned about balancing the squad.

What's difficult to comprehend here?

Griffon you're my guy and we go way back.

Just take the L and move on.

You cannot in one breadth say that Marina can choose not to sign a player, and then in another breadth say she cannot.


You can't say in one breadth that she has to consider the players, importance to the team and position before cutting a cheque, and then turn around to say it's Emenalo that is interested in balancing the squad

You can see that the main Emenalo hater saw where the convo was going and bailed a long time ago.

Griffon:
The real questions you have to answer are; why haven't the technical director seen the need to recommend good central midfielders to Marina over the years? Why has he chosen to recommend just attackers? Why has he chosen to create an unbalanced squad?

Good question, but if you said that Marina evaluates players using these criteria:

Griffon:
There are many determinants. Form, importance to team, ability, [size=18pt]position[/size], age, contract etc

Why is Emenalo solely to blame for an imbalanced squad?

Remember your words not mine.

bigkesh:
Lmao...How did I forget that guy?

Oga,Leyqute what do you think about your new messiah?

I have been lying in wait for him ever since the rumours started gathering pace.

Griffon:
Do I have to keep regurgitate every of my claim?

Marina doesn't give a hoot about what Emenalo recommends, all she has to do is make the deal happen. In events the deal stalls she reports back to the technical director who now profers a viable alternative. She doesn't enjoy any veto power. On the other hand, these alternatives could be anything; splash the cash Marina or let's just look for another talent, just anything.

At the end of the day, the final decision still lies with Emenalo.

But then, don't you think you're digressing with this thinking?

The real questions you have to answer are; why haven't the technical director seen the need to recommend good central midfielders to Marina over the years? Why has he chosen to recommend just attackers? Why has he chosen to create an unbalanced squad?

Don't contradict yourself.

You have already said that she can choose NOT to sign a player that Emenalo recommends, based on her own evaluation of the player's ability, importance to the team, age etc.

Or have you forgotten?

So how can you now say she has no Veto powers?

Or do you not know what Veto means?

Ibime:
You no dey tire for this eediocy?

You think you are discussing with your fellow double digit IQ niggas asking foolish questions like the above.

It seems that before this discussion, you did not know that CEOs do handle financial negotiations, from Ivan Gazidis to Marina to Ed Woodward.

You maybe thought you were "educating" us when you stumbled across such information on Chelsea website not knowing you were exposing your childish stupidity like a child who learnt to spell for the first time and couldn't wait to tell every adult about it..

In answer to your question above, if the price is reasonable Marina will not walk away from the negotiating table for any player Emenalo recommends.

It is just unfortunate that every time Emenalo recommends a winger, the price is fair to Marina. . . .but every time he recommends a midfielder, the selling club starts asking fir £100m.

That is why Emenalo has been unable to strengthen his midfield.

At this point, I think we would like to hear your opinion on HOW Marina determines a fair price

Leyqute, can I please get your opinion on Manyoo's new manager?

At this point Griffon, your only argument left is that the quality of Emenalo's presented shortlist must be poor.

But without knowing the contents of thr shortlist, and with both of us now agreeing that Marina has veto powers over each recommendation, how can we logically blame Emenalo and his 'signings' for the decline of the club?

This is the argument I raised several pages ago.

Griffon:
Yes it is safe to assume so. Meanwhile, if you must know, the technical director isn't blind to these evaluations.

He knows what the team needs remember and his views could still influence Marina's.

You understand that you've just admitted that Marina's has to independently analyse the suggested players before deciding to sign them?