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coogar:
this is the most ridiculous excuse i have read here since elampawa claimed the criticism we give rooney here on NL affected him to perform well in a game.

if you cannot use per-90 metric, what then should one use? per-90 metric is the most accurate stat one can use to compare 2 players with different time-shift. [size=18pt]valencia was better than clyne last season. no ifs, no buts![/size]
numbers don't lie......

That's not what YOU said only a few weeks ago.

Anyway, the reason per 90 comparison metrics are not entirely suitable when there is a massive disparity in overall minutes, is that the statistics are naturally skewed to favour the smaller sample size.

That's why I asked you to get Goalkeeping stats per 90 to compare De Gea and Ospina for last season, and then post it here. I'm sure that would prove to you that Ospina is better than DDG

Again, I'm not arguing who is better...I only pointed out the flaw in sirCumalot's method of comparison.


There is a reason you said this at the end of May.

coogar:
once we buy clyne, valencia would warm the bench. there's no way valencia would start as a RB for us next season.....and he's not even good enough to displace mata in the team. tell your idol to start packing his bags.



that's easy now.
i can name 7 league games in my head that valencia started as a RB last season. even in the games where he was RM, he was the culprit to the goals we conceded. he allowed oviedo to get a win for everton last season due to his ball watching.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/12/04/Everton_Oviedo.gif

valencia looked like a tourist in the box.



nothing to do with herrera.
if valencia was in position, hazard wouldn't have scored. it's unthinkable to believe midfielders won't lose a battle....this is why we have defenders. hazard ran close to 30 yards before slotting the ball in. where was valencia that was supposed to be marking that zone?



abeggi....
so rafael was the reason we conceded 5 goals against leicester? it wasn't rooney assisting the opponents or blackett brainfarting or mata slipping? you dunno your football.

SIRcumalot:
How good is clyne really ?

Lol

There are so many reasons why those statistics are very misleading.

Firstly, comparing both players on a per 90 metric is completely wrong, when there is such a huge gap in the number of minutes played between the two.

To test this out, run the exact same comparisons between Matic and Coquelin on a per 90 metric. Come back and testify if the story the stats suggest tell an accurate story. Or do Phil Jones and John Terry. or maybe De Gea and Ospina.

Secondly, Valencia played as a winger and central midfield for some parts if the campaign last term, Clyne was a full back. I'll let you guess who should have naturally have more take ons...and more chances created.

There's a reason why there are so many gifs posted on this thread by your fellow fans to highlight some poor defending and attacking from Valencia. There's a reason you said this less than two weeks ago:

SIRcumalot:
Why are we not actively pursuing clyne ?
the way the thing dey go Liverpool go grab this guy for shikini moni.
Or is LVG comfortable with Valenica has our RB

Because sometimes....the stats just don't add up

No pity for the police from me

Never.

coogar:
valencia better than clyne doesn't make valencia world class. it just means clyne is shyte. do i still want valencia replaced by a superior right back? of course yes!




don't quote responses out of context without showing us the dates don't responses were made. i can go to chelsea thread too and lift our quotes where hazard & costa have been bashed for being too selfish & idiötic - and yet chelsea fans still think he's next to ronaldo/messi.



valencia is better than clyne but united fans world wide still want valencia to be replaced cos it's embarrassing that a club as big as ours is using a winger as a make-shift RB. that logic isn't really difficult to understand. i still do not want valencia as our RB next season even if the facts say is better than clyne.

we are not using clyne as our standard!




like i told you - people just get fed up of seeing valencia in the RB position. there was a time we even argued here concerning rafael. whenever valencia makes the occasional mistakes, it's only natural for aggrieved fans to call for his sack because he isn't a right back in the first place. it still doesn't mean he's not better than clyne!

Bros I mostly agree with your sentiment.
Mostly, but not all.

I have no doubts in my mind that Clyne is a better RB than Val.

And judging by the amount of speculative formations starting Clyne over Val at RB, posted by Manyoo fans over the last month s...it would appear that many fans share that belief....even you.

Anyway, I'm not really interested in arguing who is better than who. I just wanted to show that guy that the idea Valencia being rubbish at RB was actually quite popular on this thread....until Clyne went and signed for Liverpool

Ibime:
Backward reasoning.

We have ready made 3rd striker in Traore at no cost, who is better than Falcao currently.

I don't see how shelling circa £10m for Falcao for one season is good business.

This Traore guy....Is he actually that good?

coogar:
valencia is astronomically better than clyne even though valencia isn't our first choice at united. who the heck is clyne? we have seen how lovren, lambert, etc have gone to liverpool and produced shyte - clyne would simply follow the trend.

still in doubt? this is their stats & valencia mopped the floor with nathaniel clyne.

Lol

How times have changed.

I remember how at the end of the season, I stated how Valencia had become one of the better RBs in the league....

Nihilist:
But Valencia has turned out to be one of the better rightbacks in the league this season....

Very solid in attack and defence.

See responses from Manyoo fans.

afrodoc2:
My main grouse with him was as right winger all those years.
Even as a right back heis still clueless most times he is overlapping. if we had Rafael or G.Neville in those sweet positions Valencia found himself we would have created more from the right.
He has a few things going for him....he is fast, stays fit n uninjured and appears tactically disciplined.

and

coogar:
he should be taken away from that position. we lost many vital games because of his cluelessness at the back. the only thing he's got his pace to recover the ball. he doesn't even use that pace to beat his markers & his crosses are totally shyte!

we are man utd, we deserve so much better

and

SailorXY:
there's nothing solid about an attacking Valencia. he's the reason there's not much threat from spaces opened up on the right by virtue of the drifting inwards of Juan Mata.

and

coogar:
once we buy clyne, valencia would warm the bench. there's no way valencia would start as a RB for us next season.....and he's not even good enough to displace mata in the team. tell your idol to start packing his bags.


.

Bear in mind, that this was at the end of season, and those stats had already been collated.

Back then people were judging based on what their eyes could see....and not what whoscored was telling them.

How opinions can change in less than 2 months.

parrotibaba:
What the fцck is this?


@the first bolded ,how is Clyne better than Valencia? A player who is just tasting d media hype(because he is British) after just a season n Valencia dat started appearing in d right back position (albeit not frequently) since 2011 ,has UCL n international experience n oh has been playing on d highest level for 6 fцcking years ...we rather continue with Antonio dan go for Nathan n to even think dat Coleman has been consistent in d EPL since his arrival at Everton


@the second bolded ,how are we not in d position of strength in Europe? We hv d financial power to get any player we want provided he's willing to leave his club ,we r in Europe n we r building a squad to challenge for d EPL title next season oh n we hv history so why r we not in d position of strength in Europe? Do u think it's easy to sign a world class player from another big club n expect him to take peanuts or expect his club to? take a look at Real Madrid, check dia wage bill ,how much did de pay for Bale ,Isco ,James ,Kaka n Cr7? look at barca ,how much did de pay for Suarez ,Neymar ,Rackitic n hw much r de bidding for pogba ? In order to get d best talents in d world ,u hv gat to drop some serious dough

My guy, I dont really want to argue.

Do a Nairaland search for 'Valencia Clyne' and see what your fellow fans on this thread were saying about the matter before he signed for Liverpool. As for Coleman, He's arguably only had one fantastic season(Martinez's first year) but that's a different matter entirely.

I agree you have the financial power...but that's really beside the point. United are arguably the biggest brand in the UK, but how many stars at the peak of their powers have you been able to lure to England with that financial power over the last 20 years?

There's a reason why most of the top players in the world are concentrated in just 3 European clubs.

Anyway, it seems that decent conversation cannot be had on this thread about football without insults or accusations of trolling, so I will shut up now.

Tval:
Oscar lost his cousin today. RIP

Damn.

RIP

Make una no vex.

I apologise.

UniqueGem:
Just because you said clyne is better than Valencia, i won't waste my time on you because you are a certified troll. Go do a thorough research on their past performance as left backs then come back here to tender an apology before we continue, for now, byeeeeee!!!

I'm the troll?

Oya no vex. I'll go away now.

coogar:
rubbish!
even under moyes, united reached the semis - the same level chelsea got killed by PSG last season. every big club in europe is in a position of strength. go back to your history book and check the calibre of players man city signed before they qualified for UCL.

then come back here & apologise for the fallacious comment you made above.

Manyoo is arguably the most prestigious team in England...but even when United won the Champions League in '08, Ronaldo still wanted to leave that summer!

The kind of players that LVG is reported to be looking for...generally speaking play at a different level to ManYoo. That is a fact

ChristineC:
a Manchester United fan expect his team to focus on 3rd tier players. You are taking advice from a Chelsea fan. Wonderful. At least you ain't an executive, the club could have gone down like Leeds United.

Every fan want Louis van Gaal to bring in proven winners and a significant improvement on last season's showings. Padding the team with mediocrity in the name of signings will yield nothing.

Nathaniel Clyne is not better than any right back currently at Manchester United, or is it Danny Ings or James Milner or Begovic? Please for heaven's love STOP

1. How can I 'advise' a fan on transfers?
2. Leeds actually went down for overspending on expensive players.....
3. Clyne was the 2nd best RB in the league after Ivanovic and was rewarded with a place in the PFA team of the season. How is he not better than any right back you have?
4. Ings is 22, and is happy to ride the bench. He's currently better and more experienced than any of the young strikers you have, and was on a free. Obviously you might not agree with the signing of Ings...but He is only an example of some transfer deals that could have been wrapped up. Nothing more

UniqueGem:
Boss!! Right from when the season ended, LVG and Giggs have stated clearly that they'll only sign world class players and proven winners. This clyne you are mentioning isn't any of these, infact he stands no chance against our makeshift right back(valencia). I see no reason to chase clyne when we have Rafael and Valencia. More reason to note that man utd never wanted clyne is that he said he wants to play UCL football, is liverpool in the UCL? So if man utd really wanted him, he would have personally paid his own transfer fee. The only players i know man utd are really interested in now are Schneiderlin, Ramos, Schweinsteiger, Otamendi and maybe Coleman. Since Gaitans agent is talking, there might be truth there too. So lets just calm down and watch.

Clyne is better than Valencia and Rafael has been dropped from the team by two consecutive managers.

Manyoo is not really in a position of strength in European football right now, and you guys have had to significantly overpay to attract players of the 'right' calibre.

I mean a player like Schweinsteiger for example, is virtually guaranteed another Bundesliga title and at least a round of 16 spot in the UCL....before the league has even started! The only way to tempt that kind of player is to throw a lot of cash at him....and when he inevitably fails to perform in a manner as should befit the wage packet/transfer fee...it would be the whole Rooney/Falcao/Shaw/Di Maria argument again.

Whether or not Schweinsteiger and/or Muller have been contacted by your club is irrelevant, these players are just examples of players that fit the player profile that Manyoo are looking for....and IMO it looks like LVG maybe making the same Mistakes that Moyes made

AdeLaNa1:
Aside from the fact that u're trying ur best to troll(and failing at it ), Ur post was on point. Someone really needs to get this into the thick skull of those dickheads at Old Trafford.

I wasn't even trolling. I did not make a joke at anyone's expense, or insult any one. I only voiced my opinion.

You guys should stop being so tribal with football. Sailorxy sometimes comes to Chelsea thread to discuss transfer policy too.

sukkot:
that aint no skyscraper. thats a council flat

coogar:
van gaal will get it right this time.
the problem is - the majority of the players he would like to sign would be long-drawn transfers. most marquee signings always have drama attached to them & they will drag on till the last minute.

Isn't this more or less the same thing I said?

Nihilist is trolling.

Manyoo's desperation to the portray the big club image in the transfer market has led them to chasing unrealistic targets, while letting the readily available slip away(e.g Clyne), or over paying over the odds for players who then struggle to justify the huge price tag(Fellaini*, Shaw, Di Maria, Falcao)

While LVG and Woodward have been wasting time chasing Benzema, Bale, Vidal, Fabregas, Muller, Schewinsteiger,Ramos etc....Ac Milan have quietly signed Bacca, Juve signed Khedira+Mandzucic+Dybala, Liverpool got Clyne+Milner+Ings, Jackson Martinez has gone to Athleti, and Miranda has gone Inter.

Begovic is already being courted by Chelsea to come and sit on the bench for a mere 8 million pounds, but Manyoo is interested in Lloris(And the attendant Levy Markup)

Someone needs to get the memo at Old Trafford. Even under Ferguson, signing the big name finished article was the exception,rather than the rule.



*Fellaini struggled in his first season....especially as he was bought for at least 4 million pounds more than he should have

AirborneLacer:
Marco Van Ginkel to join either Sunderland or Newcastle on loan.

Does this boy have a future with us?

I don't think so.

parrotibaba:
"If u hv a Chrysler 300 ,don't go around boasting dat u hv a Bentley phantom just cos it looks like one or else u will feel like shiit when a Bentley phantom pulls up besides u"

Don't think you'll be seeing a Bentley phantom anywhere soon mate...

Seems like Falcao has actually put pen to paper now.

Bimffo:
Yes. Cech was good. But don't deny and ignore the fact that the way we set Up our Team helped him a lot..

I don't see a 4 and 5 that can protect Cech very well in the Arsenal team..

The match we played against Bradford in the FA Cup. See how he was exposed and he scoped in 5 goals..

Im not sure you understand what I am saying. Arsenal had a better defensive record in the league than City in this season just gone.

In 2014, they were on par with City.

In 2013, they were better than us

The facts simply do not match the narrative of a 'Weak Backline'.

Like I said previously, Arsenal's problems have mostly been mental. The same Wenger that Guapo said cannot coach defence is the same one that led his team to play 49 unbeaten matches.

AirborneLacer:
TBH, Arsenal look quite impressive just on paper. When push comes to shove, they revert to being the same old Arsenal.

They might have conceded few goals last season, but that doesn't really tell you the whole story about their back-line.

That stat doesn't inform you that their defence line accomodates a sluggish Per, an injury prone Gibbs and an erratic Koscielny. I believe that was the point the writer was trying to make. He was placing a big question mark on Wenger's tactical know-how and the quality of defenders Arsenal have got and their ability to consistently protect Cech.

It's not to be forgotten that Soton who conceded the 2nd fewest number of league goals finished 8th, losing almost 14 games in the process. Push came to shove. . .

Yes, Arsenal are steadily improving, but they're only angling to perfect what Chelsea, Manyoo and Citeh perfected years ago - luring in top players with a winning mentality.

It would be pretty difficult for them to catch up. They'd still need more than Cech, Sanchez and Oezil (a lawd-forsaken passenger) to win the title.

Arsenal are impressive and not just 'on paper'

They had the 3rd best defence in the league with the players you've labelled sluggish and erratic.

Yes Southampton had the second best defence in the league and finished 8th.

But you forget that Arsenal only conceded 3 goals more than So'ton...whilst scoring almost 20 more goals in the league.

Ozil and Sanchez have already delivered back to back trophy wins. It's no coincidence that the 9 year drought was broken with their arrivals.

Cech signing for Arsenal will only solidify a defence that has consistently been in top 3 in the league over the last 3 seasons.

You're sleeping on a bicycle if you can't recognise this.

AirborneLacer:
Just like I asserted weeks ago, Cech would need a strong supporting cast to win the League or any major title at the Emirate.

Here's one of my favorite writers thinking in that line too:

The writer of that article doesn't know what he's on about.

Arsenal conceded the 3rd fewest amount of league goals(36) this season gone...only behind us(32) and Southampton(33). They also copped the fourth highest amount of clean-sheets(14), only behind Us(17), Soton(15), and City(14)

In 2013/2014, Arsenal had the second best clean sheet record in the league(17), only Chelsea did better(18).

What people fail to understand is that Arsenal are steadily improving,and are only one or two players short of a title.

Arsenal's biggest problem has always been mental frailty. Before Ozil, The Arsenal squad lacked a single league winner in any of the top European leagues. Ozil, Sanchez, and now Cech are not just bringing their technical ability to the squad, they are also bringing that Winning mentality to the squad.

No two ways about it, Cech significantly strengthens the Arsenal squad, whether the author of your article knows it or not.

AirborneLacer:
What has assisting in the Semi-final and final got to do with anything?

Juan Mata assisted Drogba in the UCL final of 2012, he must be great!

You really need a long rest. Over-flogging debates doesn't change the fact that you're a hypocrite who fails to identify with the truth.

How is Ribery different to Hazard?

Both players with bursts of acceleration, good dribbling and weaving runs creates openings in the opposition's defence, both players creates chances and are not much of goal scorers.

Ribery has never posted 20 goals in a season at any club through out his career, yet Hazard who has managed the feat is useless but the frenchman isn't.

How many goals did Ribery register the season Beckenbaur claimed that he's up there with Ronaldo and Messi? How many goals did he register the seasons he got nominated for the Ballon D'Or?

All he needed was consistent good performance.

So why would Hazard need to rack up gazillion number of goals before he gets considered as a great by you?

I couldn't help but laugh when your side-kick asserted that you're a student of the game. Man you're a student of flawed logic

Cook another one
Separate the hustlers from the rookies ya'll
CNN, CNN legacy

The real Heisenberg

Raumdeuter is deafeningly quiet about the 5-0 trashing inflicted on Germany u21s by Portugal.

He was here when England lost to Italy though.

Owo melo la'fin j'eba?

Ibime:
I'm with you, but lets analyse Ramires honestly and run through his career.

Ramires greatest 2 performances for Chelsea was playing left wing against Napoli and playing right-back against Barcelona.

Brazil - Ramires started his career as a right-back. He became famous playing as a right-winger for Brazil. Dungas system was to play Felipe Melo and Gilberto Silva as pivot players and attack with Dani Alves and Michel Bastos from wing-back. Ramires was employed on the wing as an auxiliary to cover Dani Alves forward raids. He has never successfully functioned as a central midfielder for Brazil.


Chelsea seasons:

2010/2011 - Ramires came to Chelsea in replacement of Ballack and flopped badly. Chelsea went from league Champions to worrying about UCL qualification. His first season as a central midfielder for Chelsea was a certified flop. He got dropped/injured at the turn of the year, while Essien returned to full fitness and saw us through to 2nd place.

2011/2012 - His greatest season at Chelsea, yet his two memorable performances were playing RB against Barca and LW against Napoli. Chelsea finished 6th in the table, he DID NOT PERFORM as a TRADITIONAL MIDFIELDER and from February, RDM played Lampard and Mikel in the pivot and pushed Ramires to the wing.

2012/2013 - Ramires and Mikel were given a clear run at being first choice pivot midfielders. They flopped badly, knocking Chelsea out the UCL. By January, we were not in the top 4, Lampard returned from injury and Benitez pushed Ramires to the wing (sometime the bench) and employed Lampard and Luiz in the pivot to see us through the season, and we ended up qualifying for UCL comfortably in 3rd place.

2013/2014 - Jose gave Ramires a clear 5 months to establish himself as a central midfielder. By January, he bought Matic and saw out the season with Matic and Luiz as his preferred pivot. Once again, Ramires had failed as a central midfielder.

2014/2015 - Ramires hardly featured.


In summary, what I am saying is Ramires has NEVER PERFORMED as a central midfielder for Chelsea, he has never been a traditional central midfielder with Brazil - and he is NOT a central midfielder, after 5 years of being given numerous opportunities to establish his place in central midfield. He simply does not have the tools to play in a midfield two because he trained as a right-back from the academy to his first years as a professional and lacks the strength, touch, passing or intelligence to be considered a central midfielder in any form. He is simply living off a reputation with Brazil and Chelsea built by playing as an auxilliary winger/fullback.

On a personal level, I have never scored Ramires a 7/10 performance in central midfield in his 5 years at Chelsea. Under no circumstance do I see him as a 3rd midfielder or a midfielder at all. I don't think there is any Chelsea fan who knows football who can point to any performance in Ramires 5 years at Chelsea and tell me that he performed the basic function of a central midfielder and delivered on the functions of that position.

I agree that Ramires is not a CM, but it's his overall utility in combination with is pace and Workrate that make him really valuable.

Every club has at least one if those utility guy, though with the way you laid out your points up there, it's really difficult to argue against them.

Ibime:
I wasn't comparing him to Ramires, just showing Airborne that he is a better fit for Chelseas 4th midfielder than Ramires cos no Chelsea fan can countenance Ramires as the 3rd midfielder. How can Ramires be the 3rd midfielder when he vex every Chelsea fan in every game he comes on? Your third midfielder supposed to come on and not rock the boat. Ramires comes on and vex everybody. That means Ramires can only be the 4th midfielder, and no 4th midfielder earns £90k and is worth £15m-£20m on the open market.

Can you tell me the last time Ramires put in a 7/10 performance? I cannot recall one this season just gone. At no point were we pleased with any single game he played, which is not what we want from our 3rd midfielder. I can assure you that Jack Cork will enter the pitch as the 4th choice midfielder and not piss anyone off, because he can do the simple things like control and pass the ball. From the moment, he stepped into Swansea midfield, you sef see the performances. That's why they improved in the 2nd half of the season to finish in 8th place.

And since you ask, yes, he is better than Ramires. Ramires is not a midfielder in training or experience. He plays like a right-back and was trained as one. Ramires pass completion was 79% last season playing for Chelsea, Cork was 86% playing for Swansea. Cork made 57 passes per 90 mins, Ramires made 44. You cannot compare a specialist midfielder to an auxiliary midfielder.


And Cork was the best midfielder on the pitch when Swansea beat Arsenal. That's what you call a good fit for the 4th midfield position/ substitute right-back.

I see your point, and can appreciate where it's coming from.

You've got a very pragmatic outlook to football which isn't a bad thing.

But let's not pretend that Ramires is not an impact player. When he comes on, he plays wayward passes...then he scores a screamer from outside the box. He's the guy who dives in with a Rash tackle...then sprints 60 yards to chip Victor Valdes.

He's the one you deploy to man mark a winger out of the game, and is happy to frustrate that winger all game.

Quite simply, Ramires makes things happen

Yes he's not as clever or techinical as other CMs, but Rami can do a job literally anywhere on the pitch.

Better still, he's happy to sit idle on the bench till the coach decides it's time to Ramirise an opponent.

To get someone like this, who's happy to ride the bench till he's picking splinters out of his bum, is very very difficult.

Jack cork on the other hand is not even missed at Southampton.

Ibime:
Why not be informed before arguing?

Cork was 6 months to the end of his contract and refusing to sign a new one hence his price was £3m.

He's now walked in to Swansea midfield and earning rave reviews. I think Swansea did not lose a single game, if any, since he took the no4 shirt.

Where would Ramires slot into Southampton wing? In place of Sadio Mane or Dusan Tadic? Tah!

Like I said to Airborne, if you need a Geremi/Scott Parker who can come in and play 15 games per season, why would you go for Ramires and pay him £90k a week (whilst his transfer value reduces to nothing sitting on the bench) when a homegrown ninja like Cork will give you 7/10 or 6/10 at worst every game on £35k per week?

My preferred midfield 4 for Chelsea would have been Matic, Witsel, Clasie and Cork. Cork to fill in at rightback also. Ramires can never be a viable 3rd midfielder because he is not good enough if Matic/Witsel are not on the pitch. And he earns too much money to be a 4th choice midfielder like Geremi

Chelsea fans cannot remember the last time Ramires played a 7/10 game. Ninja played the whole season giving 5/10 performance. What's the point of versatility when you suck in every position?

You cannot just make a point without throwing shade sha

And please take it easy with the revisionism, the fact remains that Jack Cork transferred to a lower profile club, for practically peanuts, at the age of 26; which is when he should have been coming into his prime.

The same guy who was lower in the pecking order than Schneirdelin, Wanyama, Steven Davis, and Ward-Prowse, is now the one that is better than Ramires?

Because he walked into Swansea team to compete with Leon Britton and Jonjo Shelvey?

I'm not thirsty bros. I will not drink that almond flavoured Zobo.

Ibime:
Playing 30 games a season in Southampton midfield is not what I would call 'not seeing shirt'.

Can Ramires see shirt in any midfield where Schneiderlin and Wanyama dey? Tah!

Cork is doing his thing in Swansea midfield now.

Why e no go see shirt? Worst case e go play right wing.

Southampton is competing with Spurs and the Liverpool clubs for 'best of the rest'. If they sold Cork as cheaply as just 3 million pounds , then he can never be good enough for Chelsea

Ibime:
When such a dude is worth £15m-£20m on the open market, aged 28 with those physical qualities approaching decline at 30, and already on £70k (I assume to be rewarded with £90k or more), he is no longer Geremi type player. It would be foolishness not to sell.

And you may be too young to remember but Geremi did zilch for Chelsea. We were happy to get rid of him to Newcastle.

If you wanted a squad player to do all those things you've listed above (play right-back, centre midfield etc), then you go for a ninja like Jack Cork who was a free transfer, earning not more than £35k and is also Cobham-grown. And he's a real midfielder unlike Ramires.

Ramires is the only central midfielder I know who will be playing counterattack when the team is still developing the first phase of play. A ninja who will just start running into opposition players camped in their own half for no reason.

Cork wey no fit see shirt for southampton na en be 'Real Midfielder'?