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Chrisbenogor:
Hmmm when a toad comes out in the afternoon then wahala dey, Nimshi where have you been?

Chris my friend!

Longest time. Me? Been around, roaming the surface of the earth ;-)

As I'd said, it was scary to read that I'd spent 4 days on this board. Got registered about 590 days ago. . . and have spent more than 4 days online; that's effectively 12 days for an 8-hour day. 12 days!

David puts his at 105 days, excluding his days on ban. That's more than 100 eight-hour days every year for that last three years. Quite a bit, don't you think?

Anyways, I'd come online to see what's going on, and to have a chat on the consequences of Islamic Banking in these times; but as usual, you'll see much activity going on on this side of the pond than on the Islamic section; looks like not much has happened to impove the grey matte gravitas over there. Perhaps a quick thread appropriately titled right on here would generate some attention and invite some useful contributions.

Missed you some too. These things get addictive. . .
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roots:
I grew up in Jos with a friend who is a Muslim. We played together, shared things together, go to places together, did alot of things together. Sometimes my Muslim friend encourage me whenever i have problems. With all these, I thought we could be friends forever.

I thought Islam is a religion that preaches peace, but I got it all wrong when reliogion crisess started september 2001, that was on after friday Juma' a prayers. My muslim brother, himself and others shot my cousin and his wife (6 month pregnant), both died. Some mallams organise and give guns to their members to kill those who are not part their religion.

That same period innocent people were killed, properties looted, children raped, churches burnt without any reason.

Today, another crises has erupted again on Friday morning before Election result was announced in Jos. It was pre-planned by this same muslims who say that the Koran preaches peace still killing, looting, raping burning Churches.

Brothers, any Muslim that says that you are brothers, BE CAREFULL .

roots: despite that your report appears disjointed, one could still feel a sense of strong feeling.

Apparently, your friend and your (biological?) brother (and others) were involved in the shooting (to the death) of your cousin and his pregnant wife; this is definitely unacceptably wicked and criminal. But your post isn't clear about the warning you've appeared to arrive at. Do you think these people killed because they're Muslims?

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David, nice to see you again!

Been a loong while.

(Isn't it scary when you see "Hey, Nimshi, you have spent 4 days, 44 minutes online"? It was to me. 4 days! Gosh!)

Nice to see you though. Hope all's well with you, and that life's treating you fine.
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bawomolo:
so adam brody is Nimshi? interesting

Funny, bawo; funny.

davidylan:
please let this not be true . . .

Old friend David: didn't I sense some optimism here?

Despite everything, you're still one of the good guys.

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More TV reports on Jehovah's Witnesses and Child abuse

If you live in the areas mentioned, or know anyone with kids who does, you'll do very well to inform them.

If you have Jehovah's Witnesses at your door and you do want to let them into your home and you do have kids around and/or in the neighbourhood, be sure to ask first if the JW at your door has abused any children. It's your decision to believe any answers your recieve. But be aware of the danger.

Nashville:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlRHaO0y4ro

Take a look at this too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2eH2C9dgxQ&feature=related

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Chrisbenogor:
You can imagine what the rate would be like in a lawless nation like nigeria, true religion my ass.

Chris: that's it. And some people have run the math. But first, some irrefutable facts.

How many child abuse cases did Jehovah's Witnesses secretly settle in 2007 for a total of more than $60million? Ans = At least 9; some estimate up to 16 (considering gag orders, some victims have refused to speak)

The problem? Jehovah's Witnesses allow known pedophiles to go from house to house, knocking from door to door. The situation is so bad that only the "elders" in a given congregation (or church) would know the identity of such pedophiles; the rest of the members are not informed of the sexual predatory nature of the pedophile member. Here we see an equality: while the elder could adequately protect his family, other members do nor have the vital information. This is partly why a Jehovah's Witness could continue to prey on children within the same congregation for several years.

The situation is worse for people not Jehovah's Witnesses: when a fellow knocks on your door, how do you know he is not a pedophile? He may be nice, he may appear clear and friendly, with a bag and bible and all the Jehovah's Witness paraphernalia, but, how are you sure he is not a predator? This is why Jehovah's Witnesses endanger the community. they have a list of about 24,000 members who have been recognised as sexual predators of children; the list is not open.

Let's do the math: there are about 6 million JWs; with about 1 million in the United states. The Jehovah's Witness pedophile list has (as of about 2 years ago), 24,000 names. This works out to 1 sexual predator for every 42 Jehovah's Witnesses there are. In Nigeria, there are about 300,000 Jehovah's Witnesses; this works out to about 7,200 sexual predators who are Jehovah's Witnesses within the borders of Nigeria; if we apply a reducing factor of 50%, that still works out to more than 3,500 sexual predators who are Jehovah's Witnesses who keep knocking on doors within Nigeria. (This calculation is based on averages, with all the inherent faults; yet, those are the numbers).

3,500 sexual predators with bags, knocking on the doors of unsuspecting families.

Yet, we have a fellow here asking why they're not the one and only true Christian religion? Where's your sense of what's right??

This is a religion with dangerous policies. Here's an additional link:

http://news.iskcon.com/jehovahs_witnesses_settle_sexual_abuse_cases

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SirJohn: not to interrupt your story. But 'm curious about this part:

. . . I observed that one of the two ladies who got out of the wheelchair half an hour ago quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face, the people who brought her all the way from Benin didn't seem like they had seen a miracle; this puzzled me more.

And, there's been allegations about Pastor Oyakhilome's healings this year: http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=740954

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We're talking of a religion that aids and abets the abuse of children ('¨child abuse' is putting it mildly; the appropriate expression for this crime is 'child rape'), and you're still asking if they're not the one and only true religion. When one hears stuff like that, we have to wonder at your own morality. Whatever they do, this one alone (there are other disqualifying factors, I should add) ought-to-be/is enough to disqualify them for 'best religion'.

Jesus the Christ, in teaching a powerful lesson, said that the Kingdom of the Heavens is made for those who're like children. Yet, Jehovah's Witnesses have backward policies that help their members to abuse and rape such children; this is the reason the Congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses have been called a "Pedophile Paradise". And yes, they are: the religion protects child abusers, requiring that for an allegation of child rape/abuse to stick, there must be two witnesses to the event. This is as ridiculous as it is stupid: what child molester will invite others to see his crime?

And in the videos above, you find irrefutable evidence that the Jehovah's Witnesses paid $787,000 to settle one case; that's just one case. There are several others, with documented proof, proof available even in the public domain. What is more: the Jehovah's Witness organisation show no mercy to the victims of child abuses from their elders/ministerial servants/publishers: they pummel them in the courts, hoping the victims will give up because the victims do not usually have the funds to prosecute the cases while the JW organisation have lots of donated cash at their disposal.

Jehovah's Witnesses accuse the Catholic Church; yet, the Catholic Church has dealt more fairly with victims of sexual abuse that Jehovah's Witnesses have done. This cannot be a religion of God. God is not the author of child rape; God is not the author of child abuse; they can object to war all they want, they can die all they want because of refusing to accept blood transfusions; they can call "Jehovah" a million times every minute, they can knock on all the doors in the world. They're like those Jesus condemned: they pay attention to the little tiny things, but neglect the weightier matters of the law. What could be weightier than protecting the children who are not able to defend themselves?

If a religion that protects pedophiles is the "truest" religion in your opinion, then goodspeed to you. I am certain many others have other standards. The JW practice with child abuse is not Christian; it is rotten; it is not even decent.

In my next post, I will show why Jehovah's Witnesses who knock on doors are dangerous to people. From the text of my post above, this should have become clear.
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Sexual Abuse of Minors

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQoKygx0pE&feature=related CNN Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM&feature=related NBC News Report

And, this:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZS86DFZBg8&feature=related

Doesn't go as far as a recent event in Somalia; but close, aint't it?
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they are united because everything that they do is very well orchestrated. i mean what witnesses are doing in one part of the world, on the other side they're doing the same thing.

Interesting you use the word "orchestrate"; that's precisely what the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses do; to orchestrate is to manipulate. They make sure everyone looks at the same material, and that everyone learns the same thing, and enforce that everyone believes the same thing. Hardly free, hardly Christian.

well, in world war 2 they were the only religion that would rather be punished(or killed) instead of saying "heil hitler", take up arms, denounce they're faith, etc. what other religion refused?

Conscientious objectors during wars do not necessaily belong to any religions. What would you think of that? Humans who had no religious affiliations yet refused to take up arms; and there were young quakers who not only objected to taking up arms, but also campaigned actively against the war.

they are "no part of this world" in a sense that they do not take up arms, vote, take part in politics, etc. they are very much like the first century christians.

What JWs view as "being no part of the world", can be correctly interpreted as irresponsibility. Take for example the right to vote, and all other civil rights that came with it: thos Americans (white and black and all else) who fought for these rights were doing righteous work; JWs didn't participate, yet, they enjoy the fruits of all that good work. What are we if we do not use legal and other acceptable non-violent means to achive good ends?

lol. mormons don't go preaching. they go to one house and that's it.

They go to just one house? That's not true; Mormons visit my street; they visit four houses; when I'm in the mood, I talk to them. They may not do it as much as JWs, but they sure do it. Plus, I don't think they report hours as JWs do.

besides they believe native americans are descendants of jews.

So? JWs believe all sorts of weird things too. Like, that only 144,000 humans will enter into heaven; and that that includes the men in Brooklyn, and a few thousanda around the world. And that only these people who think they're going to heaven can accept the holy communion; pretty weird.

well, they don't believe in the trinity doctrine. they don't celebrate pagan holidays. they are very well organized and united. they don't use idols or "icons of worship". they read a lot. they go preaching from house to house. they abstain from blood. they don't baptize infants. they get baptized by full water immersion just like jesus did.

Many Christians don't belive the Athanasian Creed (the trinity doctrine); this isn't unique to JWs; many Christians don't celebrate pagan holidays. Many Christians groups are quite well organized. Many Christian groups don't use "icons of worship"; they consider it adolatary.

they don't have a human leader(at least not anymore), like a pope.

They do. The Governing Body isn't made up of spirits. It's the group of men who direct the JWs spiritually; JWs believe the men are the representative fo the Faithful and Discreet Slave, representing God's government on earth. JWs must believe anything these men proclaim as doctrinal truth; anyone openly disagreeing will be disfellowshipped and shunned; this, my friend, is worse than what the Bishop of Rome does.

they don't practice celibacy. in other words they are a lot like the first century christians.

You're still comparing with the Catholic Church, comething JWs try to do a lot. Many Christian groups don't mandate celibacy; so this isn't unique to JWs.

swear as in say bad words. i haven't heard jws swear except my family. and when they do swear it's very rare.

Just as you confirm that members of your family would sometimes swear, those other JWs may also do so in their homes. This, to me, isn't indicative of anything. God in the OT did swear, even by himself. No big deal.

i've heard stories on the internet. i don't know if it's true. i doubt it.

You're almost in complete JW mode: denial. You doubt these stories; but, did you investigate them? I'm certain you didn't.

Last year, JWs paid tens of millions of dollars to settle child rape cases perpetrated by JW Ministerial Servans, Elders, and Publishers. But unlike the Catholic Church (who apologised to the victims), JWs were not decent and Christian enough to apologise.

The Jehivah's Witnesses have their own private sex offenders database (this is a database for those JWS who have sexually abuse children); it has at least 23,000 names.

IF you want to know, see this NBC report:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM

If you want to see documents, see:

2) http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/

This is a dangerous religion. Dangerous for children dangerous for the society.

Will you now claim you do not know about child abuse in the Jehovah's Witness Religion?

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1. they are the most united religion in the world.

How? What sort of "unity"?

2. they are pretty much good, kind, law abiding people.

It is true that most JWs are good, kind, and law-abiding; but this isn't unique to JWs

3. they would rather die than denounce their faith.

This, again, isn't unique to JWs.

4. they are clearly "no part of this world".

In what sense? Or, do you mean not having anything to do with like, say, the United Nations?

5. they are the only religion that goes from house to house preaching.

Have you heard of Mormons?

6. they are the most unique religion imo.

"Most unique"; how? Every religion could be described as unique.

7. they don't swear.

?? Individual JWs do swear; yet, this isn't a disqualifying thing. . .

they even disapprove of pornography.

Many religions do; this isn't unique to JWs.

But, do you know about the practice of the JW religion with respect to pedophilia?

why I am not a jw.

1. i'm terrified of preaching.

I'd be terrified too.

2. i still have a lot of questions(like why should we suffer because of adam&eve's sin?).

A well-known JW discussion topic; would you share your other questions?

3. i am what they would call "worldly". i swear, listen to vulgar music, hang out with "worldly" people, etc.

Yeah; anything non-JW is "worldly".
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chessguru: do you play chess online?

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An old friend has sent in some material concerning some of the false prophesies by Jehovah's Witnesses.

In the late 60s, the leaders of the Jehovah's Witness organisation were strongly hinting that the world would end soon; the date was supposed to be 1975. Here's a quote from one of their publications:

Awake-1969-May-22-pp.-14-15

What Future For The Young?

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.  Why not?  Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years."

If you were 10 years old then, you'd be 49 today.

what did the bible say about false prophets?
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"Tribe" is the wrong word.

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Re: . . . Are The Most Educated Tribe In Nigeria

First, stop using "tribe".
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This is a related piece to Society Without God: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

Huxley: good topic you brought up here.
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One approach to the issue is provided by the United Nations Human Development Index.

What parameters?

Life expectancy at birth
Adult literacy rate
Combined gross enrolment ratio for primary, secondary and tertiary education
GDP per capita
Life expectancy index
Education index

For anyone so inclined, the full report for 2007/2008 could be found here: http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_20072008_Tables.pdf

Where do black nations stand? See for yourself: http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

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Huxley wrote: African cultural life does NOT promote and favour intellectualism. In fact, the same can be said of the cultural millieu of African American life. There is a class of the so-called educated, but such have become essentially tradesmen in the various specialism - tradesmen doctors, trademen computer scientists, tradesmen teachers, etc, etc. Such people, outside of their day job, would hardly open a book or be interested in intellectual affairs outside of their jobs.

While having a chat related this topic, the discussion shifted to the subject of research in Nigerian universities and institutions. Much was made of the achivements of the IITA in Ibadan (http://www.iita.org/); this, clearly, is one exception that proves the rule. The thesis above is strong and solid, and anecdotal evidence could be found in the African American community in the US.

A telling thing is that there are "Almost No Black Economists at the Nation's Highest-Ranked Universities": http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/50_no_black_economists.html
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Chrisbenogor:
@nimshi
How do you think christians would react if I asked them where they think he will be?

Y'know, I do ask questions as these. My observations:

The more "stubborn" types insist on the letter of the word; the more thoughtful types attempt to weave: God is Just, some of them will insist, so who knows what Ghandi was thinking in his heart, or what his innermost thoughts were shortly before he expired. . . or words to that effect. When I hear such, then I know not to push it; I'll recognise that I'm in the presence of a religious fellow with a conscience, and one with the presence fo mind enought to make him/her know God couldn't be caged or held hostage to what they wish would be. There're many like these.

And when discussing with Muslims other than (I'm not very sorry to say, eh), some on this board, one is able to find that sensitivity to a greater understanding of God that is missed in much of the fiery and uninformed discussions on this board. We discuss contemporary events, and the relevance of religion in an evolving world, not jinns; we discuss the most controversial works about Islam: The Satanic Verses, and the more recent The Jewel of Medina, not how a hand ought to be severed for minor misbehaviour. But, I digress.

I have seen that the humanity we share could be summoned by thoughtful questions; and where some ambivalence is found in the response of a "fundamentalist"to a question like: "Will Ghandi go to hell?", that a small victory of humanity over dogma.
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zayhal:
The Phrases had points and plates. Right?

Wlel. . . colud've been one vilad one, ecpxet taht it's dlfuiifct to uantnrdsed Phrases (I tnihk the "p" in ucarppese is qtiue celver, eh) hnviag patles and pntois.

Ncie try toughh; ncie try

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[size=3pt]Well. . . could've been one valid one, except that it's difficult to understand Phrases (I think the "p" in uppercase is quite clever, eh) having plates and points.

Nice try though; nice try.[/size]

Funny thing is throughout most of the OT the concept of heaven and hell did not really feature, just a thought though.

That's right. And "hell" particularly more so.

The Adolf Hitler, Bill Gates and Ghandi examples are useful, as are the examples of others not as known; it is absurd and amoral to suggest that God, who is righteous and just will decide to torture a fellow like Ghandi, and for eternity.
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OLAADEGBU:
This is not a show of power but of the mercy of God. It is a rare privilege that we have the story of a person who experienced life after death and came back to tell the story. Wise people would learn from the experience of others but fools would want to experience the consequence and find it impossible to learn from. Abraham rightly said that they have the prophets in the world to preach to them that even if one raises up from the dead they would not believe.

This is an opportunity for you skeptics to learn and act fast when you still have the mercy of God at hand, you can carry out your research on the testimony of Daniel Ekechukwu, go to the locations stated and find out for yourself, believe and repent for tomorrow may be too late.

Haha.

Have you ever wondered why these fantastic miracles occure in obscure places?

Dude, lots of corpses in mortuaries; why should anyone believe Mr. Ekechukwu? Why should anyone start going to places is some villages under siege to find these out? Anyone believing this story is gullible. If the pastor could raise up five corpses of faithful men at the Ikeja mortuary, then the skptics may begin to reconsider

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Iennsritetg.

Tihs has been on the Ietnrent scine 2003.

As you rpaeet the sroty, be aawre taht the gaeernl cliam is not ture for all lggnuaeas; eevn in Eisglnh, smoe sarlbmecd sneesents may be duiffilct to raed. Bleow is an exlampe:

"The sprehas had ponits and patles".

Cuold you all wtire waht you raed?

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[size=3pt]Interesting.

This has been on the Internet since 2003.

As you repeat the story, be aware that the general claim is not true for all languages; even in English, some scrambled sentenses may be difficult to read. Below is an example:

"The sprehas had ponits and patles".

Could you all write what you read?[/size].

olabowale:
a person who is not married at the time of committing illegal sex, can not be stoned to death. I hope you know that from Qur'an and Sunnah.

If we neglect any moral arguments, the above is about the clearest position from Al Quran on this thread.

This doesn't happen often; but, olabowale, thanks are due for the clarity.

We could all disagree on anything on this thread; but theere appears to be consensus that the murder of a 13-year old is unacceptable, for any reason at all.

The murder of this child is tragic, even non-human animals care for their own; here, humans have failed; and they're hiding behind the thin veol of religion; that deserves condemnation, and justice.
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[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=192448.msg3047777#msg3047777 date=1225988285]Now, turn for a moment and tell us what you would do to men who do not claim a religious affirmation and deliberately go out to murder people, and they never stop doing so till their very last breathe.[/quote]Is this an argument that eternal torture could be appriate punishment for anything aanyone may have done on earth? Torture is difficult to justify, much less so, when it must continue endlessly.

I have not called any names (would do so if asked).

Here's a request to name names; hope you would.

And, whatever names would be in that list, surely, they couldn't be representative of everyone eligible for hell. We could take the names and examine why continuous torture cannot be reconcilled with a principled, loving, and just God.
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Chrisbenogor:
He made his choice, is that what life is all about.

Yeah, life's partly about making choices; but it's a shame to make a life-changing decision without having all the important details sorted out. In my discussions with JWs, this is the major charge I lay before them: their non-disclosure of the most important facts.

I do not say JWs do this due with malicious intent; in fact, they do it - for those of them who're aware - while believing they're saving the person from sternal destruction. But, of course, terrible atrocities have been committed in the name of God; so that reason is suspicious at best.
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