wunmi38:
I am glad to add my voice to dis as per IVF the cost around my side is 750k and d success rate is 8/10 and am a testimony to dis clinic success rate and u can neva ask 4 a beta Nija base medical doctor to best of knowledge its an experience I wish any one that bother to more info to contact me through wunmi38@gmail.com

The woman's age is almost definitely the most important factor correlating directly with IVF "success"; even when 'success' is defined only as 'getting pregnant', 80% is quite excessive; the best numbers I've seen hover around 50% per cycle. (This does not mean that the success rate you quoted for your clinic is impossible; this could be dependent definitions... )

But if you do have details of your treatment from this specific clinic, you could share them.
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So where could one buy these movies?
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kara25:
Please I need someone who can give me hint about regenesis clinic, address and cost. Please I need a break down.

Here: http://www.regenesisfertility.com/thecost.html

(they do not publish the cost in Naira...)

http://www.regenesisfertility.com/images/mainLogo.gif

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We Can Help By Ensuring There are no Hidden Extras
The cost depends on your individualized treatment necessary to get you pregnant and a live-birth!

At ReGenesis, we aim to make costs as affordable for you as possible. We also hope that your financial status would never pose a barrier to your dream family size. We would therefore, work diligently with you and you partner to customize the appropriate care to suit your financial capability. Instalment treatment program could also be arranged.

Costs are worked out in the following outline which could constitute instalment deposits namely:

A-Initial Evaluation of the couple -Detailed History and Physical Examination of the couple -Laboratory/Ultrasound tests of both you and your partner. [Previous recent investigations could help decrease this cost to you!].
B-Counselling & Acupuncture costs
C-Cycle monitoring with or without hormonal treatment
D-Specific treatment for you and/or your partner Eg IUI, IVF, ICSI, etc.
E -Further investigations if indicated
F-Donor Sperm & Eggs [if applicable]
G-Gamete freezing/storage [Eggs & Sperms]
H-In-Patient Hospital stay

Note that costs for A - C above are applicable to all patients attending this hospital, the rest varies depending on individual situations.
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Wehnby:
Hello house, I have been following this thread for sometime now. I will like to seek everybody's opinion here. I have been diagnosed with fibroids and my husband with low sperm count, we have been trying for a child for about five years now. I'm scared of going through surgery because of all the things I've heard concerning people that went for surgery and so many things happened along the line. Its either they die in the process or they find it difficult to conceive after that. I want to know if I can do IVF without removing the fibroids, please I need your opinions urgently.

1) It is best that you approach a qualified medical practitioner for opinion regarding your situation; no amount of opinions on the iNet could specifically address this. Yet, there are lots of materials available to help the situation. Low sperm count count could be effectively treated. Many competent IVF practitioners will attempt resolving issue with the man first.

2) Regarding fibroids, "It is generally agreed that the uterine cavity should be clear and relatively normal in configuration prior to IVF." (see: http://www.ivillage.com/fibroids-can-they-affect-ivf-success/6-n-145478); even then: "[d]espite numerous publications and years of research, the relationship between uterine fibroids and infertility is still unsettled. The exact mechanism by which fibroids may affect infertility is not certain and includes: blockage of the fallopian tubes; alterations of tubal motility and prevention of sperm–egg assembly; prevention of proper sperm migration through the cervical canal; dyspareunia; and thin, vascularized endometrium and abnormal uterine peristalsis. Only the last two can directly affect implantation and assisted reproductive technologies (ART)/IVF results." (see: http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/803314)

So then, there is hope; neither the fibroids, nor the low sperm count - nor both - imply a totally bleak outlook. My advice is that you should arm yourself with information; this is a hurdle, and be determined to confront it. If both you and your husband are involved in seeking a solution, then it's already much better.

JallowBah:

If the woman and the husband works, they should BOTH combine it with taking care of the home and kids.

If my husband expected me to do all the cooking, cleaning and raising of the kids after working 8hours, then he could sit his a*s down after 8hours and just watch me work until bedtime, AND expect me to give him a little some-some..I would kick him out, no doubt.

And you'll certainly find an easy replacement, eh? I'd accept your 'kick him out' statement as mild joke.

Of course, the man ought to offer his support; he ought to play his part. But here's the hint of the post you responded to: there're traditional tasks for the woman in the home; all things given, the woman ought to take responsibility for these things; taking responsibility does not always necessarily mean she would have to execute them; but it means that she takes the 'blame' when they're not. My position is that it is important for the woman to financially contribute to the running of the home, and that this means she ought to have income independent of the man. The rest fo the details can be sorted. That means the woman ought to reject any arrangement that would rob her of the means of earning independent income.
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SewaG.R.I.T.S:
Just because a woman doesn't work outside the home doesn't mean that she is dead economically. Also, it doesn't mean she is a doormat, or could become a doormat subject to abuse. Abuse is not correlated strictly to a woman not working out of the home. A better indicator on whether a woman will be able to provide in the event of death of her husband or divorcing is education. As a stay at home mom (sahm) she should try to get advanced degrees if possible or some sort of skill training/certifications at the least. Most of my friends are sahms, very educated, and have loving husbands that value their wives work within the home, which, by the way is priceless, but since we live in a society that places value mainly on the things that generate income, you can Google these numbers: a sahm puts in 97 hours per week and would make $113,000 a year with duties combining those of a CEO, nurse, teacher, janitor, chef, chauffeur, psychologist, and mediator just to name a few.

All degrees are good :-)

But all education and no work experience makes for frustration.

If a woman has a degree - or some talent in something, anything - she ought to work at it. It's tough, but it's not impossible to combine this with taking charge of the home and the children. Without the relevant experience, anyone's earnign power is diminished, and any woman unsure of her future and that of her children at any time ought to work.

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A woman should contribute, no matter how litte she earns relative to the man.

If you earn more than your husband does, then you should contribute more.

And know this as a woman: never, never accept not to work if youære able to work. The first step to amost all forms of abuse is the family is for the woman to stop working; you must not forget that in Nigeria, the man almost always owns everything; you must not make yourself a doormat.

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7COLOURS: The cost of IVF is 500,000 naira and the hospital is in Ikeja, Lagos. Please call 08089195036 for further details if interested. Good luck to you all.

DO you have email?

imperiouxx: Hello guys, is it possible for two AS genotype to use this IVF to prevent having SS child(ren)? Thanks

The answer is "yes".

The PGD (Pre-implantation Genetic Diagnosis) technique has been around for a while. What happens is that the embyos are screened for the sickle cell trait before being implanted.

Also: since the chance of a SS foetus from two AS parents is 25% per birth per single birth, it is statistically more probable that you will have a healthy child, but: know that it is possible to check this before the pregnancy is well along to find out . . . There are also other options . . .

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The theological debate is beside the point.

The recent protests underscore why it is always necessary to let Muslims know that:

- To non-Muslims, Mohammed, the Prophet is no more than an ordinary man
- This opens him to all sorts of insults, ridicule, and abuse
- And, being a religious type qualifies him for extreme ridicule

For those (including Muslims) who have chosen to live in countries where free speech is protected, Prophet Mohammed is as game for ridicule as anyone else.

In today's terms, we would term him as - at least - a one-off paedophile (we recognise that the standards of his day were different, yet, this doesn't remove the fact that he entertained himself with a girl not yet ten years old when he was in his 50s; any self-respecting man of any era ought to know that has an 'icky' factor to it)

Mohammed also had some f.oolish and ridiculous ideas, including the nonsense about flying carpets.

Does he deserve to be insulted? Perhaps yes.

Is it valid to insult him? Yes, of course; who's he? Having inspired a religion of thugs and low lifes who resort to throwing stones, engaging in armed attacks in defence of him, he deserves little respect.

Muslims need to get used to this, and especially those Muslims who flew over Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia etc etc to land in the West; you had a choice to stop and settle in those countries, but you didn't. In the United States, it is customary to condemn inciteful speech (like the video) and - and! - also to defend the rights of those who made it. They cannot be compelled not to insult Mohammed.

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MyJoe: Watchtower never admits anything. Poor Maximum85 thought they do about their predictions and got himself into trouble with Mr truthislight who has now accused him of misrepresentation. They have paid out millions yet they never admitted anything.

This is a cornerstone JW strategy

- execute payouts
- impose gag orders (this reinforces the JW org as amoral; fight for freedom of speech, but deny it to those you've raped).
- admit nothing (this, also, reinforces the JW org as amoral).

The most recent case of the award of more the USD 20 million was one exception.

Lol. Truthislieisdarkness was mad at the warrior for good reason: the JW org doesn't lie admitting they've been wrong, even f they've predicted the end of the world in 1914, 1925, and 2000; and even though they promised in the 1920s: 'millions now living will never die'; most people then living have now died. And even though they told people in the 60s: 'you will never grow old in this system of things'.

We're here in 2012, and our resident militant JWs can't see it. Except for Maximus, who is now being chastised for being somewhat human.

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Barristers: one man, barristers; lol. What passes for your brain has been fried by years of JW propaganda.
May be Satan the Devil (hehehe) made you a JW to give JWs a really, really bad name; just look at the nonsense oozing from all over you.
Barristers: Time registered: July 08, 2012 | Time spent online: 1 day & 12 hours | Last seen: 3:31pm

JWs don't take blood or what? Just say JWs don't donate blood. JWs who need human blood products use them all the time; like, a certain Haemoglobin Factor which JWs use ;-) The problem is that JWs like to reap where they've not sown: they deplete the supply but are not allowed to replenish it. Shame on you. That's not moral. It's not even Christian.

And, I don't have time to educate you about the years of fornication of the JW organisation with the wild beast.
Just like those pictures in your nonsense Revelation Climax (gasp!) book, you JWs rode the wild beast for years, until a journalist published your hypocrisy, and then you quickly dissociated. Here, in all its simple glory is the original article by Stephen Bates which exposed the JW sect for what it is:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world

And, Hitler: yes, JWs supported Hitler when it was expedient. You want proof too? No, won't be casting pearls before hogs ;-)

truthislightisdarkness: why're you turning on warrior Maximus? Don't do that; he's one of you. You can't disfellowship him now! In any case, Yahweh is watching you. He will inform your elders that you're enjoying the secret pleasure of posting on the Internet. What will you do when they announce to your congregation that's you're walking in a 'disorderly manner', or charge you for 'loose conduct'?

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BARRISTERS: Is 'barristers' a jw? not yet, but nothing will stop him from joining as he had already allowed his children and wife to join.untill he fully join, he is very free to kick asses of these unholly trio who got nothing to offer humans!

@Nimshi(aetheist Nimshi) im waiting for you to come out with facts!at least you have admitted the unholy union of trinity discussed below; i cant wait to expose your hidden motives and the unholiness between the trio of you guys is noteworthy, ola+Myjoe+Nimshi=satan(the devil,the deceiver.rev 12:9) the surprise here is that Ola of all peolpe who claimed to believe in God,trade his respect for God allowing Nimshi to use letter 'g' god as in smaller god for him own respected God,thats noteworthy,a shame? more than that. one would want to know why ola will allow that, because his religion catholic have failed and was pained the way jws exposed them!
Desperately, he(1) needs to form an alliance with atheist Nimshi(3) and sadistMyjoe(2)(no apologies for that) to attack jws, but jws still keep their head higher than all! how many religion can defend their religion like the jws i ask? as our discussion goes on i gain more insight into the trio's activities and will not hesitate to apply the latest discoveries!

- I laugh a laugh of derision.

- Why're you in a fir because I use the lowercase for your favourite deity? Ok, no worries, I'll start using the uppercase. I don't think your god/God cares though. If he's that petty, then he's got to be quite small.

- You "allowed" your wife to join JWs? So she couldn't have joined the religion without your permission, eh? You're presenting yourself as one fo the problems. It's no problem wiping the floor with men like you.

- If your wife is already a JW, you'd better hurry to join; they'll need you; you're already a worthy drone. Or soon,she won't be allowed to say 'Amen' when you pray if you don't join in. As noted, you're already an active JW drone.

- And, this your time-wasting activity of gaining more insight into the activities of three posters is funny, really. I laugh again. You must have a lot of time on your hands; that's not a problem; but a grown man as yourself, with children and a wife, applying discoveries on an Internet board? Lol. Well done.

- As for the Catholics: they've proved to be better than you JWs in their response to paedophilia; you JWs need to learn something from the Catholic church.

- And, since you've inserted H into the conversation: you JWs did support Hitler when your leaders thougth it would offer an advantage. That's a documented fact: documented from your Watchtower literature. Any more?

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The challenge for Muslims could be one of many:

1) there're many other sources for Islamic teachings other than the Quran

2) these other sources, including the hadith, and more important, the Sunna, are quite varied, chaotic, and many times unreliable

3) many Muslims just give up, and would rather listen to rousing speeches by Imam or the rector at the local mosque

4) Imams/local mosque rectors are not immune to itme #2)

5) victims of the rote learning of the Quran: being able to quote the Quran in Arabic is usually perceived by other Muslims as sign of high learning; but this is almost completely useless for engaging in discussions where you're not working the crowd

6) it must be admitted: even the Quran isn't an easy book to read: the accounts are not arranged chronoligically, and it is frankly usually a boring read

7) er, hmnn . . . some of the practices are downright nasty and difficult to support (niqab, death for any number of minor infractions, mutilations, hatred for a certain pet animal . . . etc etc). At least Christianity has Jesus, who to some extent reformed the Jewish tribal god, Yahweh; Islam has no equivalent of that; this is a big problem . . .

8') and, well, there's that thing with Sunni & Shia muslims; if the questioner knows about it, then it's already too much of a problem . . .

9) many of the Muslims here are lazy; not ready to do the hard work, and not ready to mount a robust defence of their favourite middle eastern religion

of course, there're certainly many more

Now: It's surprising that 'cousin marriage' couldn't be discussed/defended . . . Ref #9, perhaps

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Maximus85:
Mr. We are not saying we are the most righteous. But come to think of it, Jesus, John, Paul and other men of God in the days of old were also accused of misleading people. The world is under the influence of the wicked one (satan) so we can't expect people to want to hear the truth about satan and his present system of things. And again, when you are pressed don't insult people, because we are trained to teach with self control and deep reapect. Jesus christ and his disciples preached the good news of God's kingdom from house to house, door to door, and in the whole world we the JW seems to be the ones taking this assignment primary. Remember the bible said that the road to salvation is very tiny but the path to destruction is very large and wide. Give it a thought. Why are we the JWs so different? Do you know that Jesus has more than 12 disciples when he was on earth? There were 70 other disciples. We take our time to study the Bible before going out to preach. Satan is not resting, he is doing his best to make sure that our preaching assignment is not succcessful. Little wonder why some people will not listen.
Even among us the JWs, we have some people that has allowed satan to use them and if you know this much about JWs and you don't know how we dis fellowship wrong doers, then I find it hard to acknowledge your un-bias stand in this issue.
All you are portraying is pure hatred for the JWs. Well....we don't mind, in fact we are expecting more. None of Gods kingdom preacher were treated well. Jesus was killed, stephen was stoned to death, John the baptizer was beheaded,some were imprisoned, some were even burnt alive. We are prepared for all these. You may continue, Paul was Saul, he hated christians until he encountered the truth. God help us all. Take it.... We are worshiping God and not satan.

There're lots of mistakes and needless assumptions in your post, starting from the first words; people who make f*oolish assumptions provide into a window into how their mind works.

Are you people now Jesus, Paul, etc etc? Of course, you are saying you are the most righteous.

If the world is under the influence of Satan, then why did you climb in bed with the UN, your 'wild beast' of Revelation?

Ah, look: starting from my original post, I'd made it clear that I do not think anything of wiping the floor with posters who clearly present as men and want to lord it over everyone else, includign their favourite targets: women. Your religion deeply despises women; that's clear. Don't expect any reverence here. MyJoe is the moderate one who has a different approach.

What you'r epreaching isn't what JEsus and his disciples preached. Your good news is this: 'everyone not a JW will be killed by your god anytime soon, so join our little group so you can be safe'; isn't that it? It's not good news; it's nonsense.

JWs are different partly because they are deluded; and partly because years of indoctrination would have fried your brains. This is the clear mark of irrationality: youwill accept whatever your masters in Brooklyn publish in the Watchtower as truth; that's supreme mental slavery. Give it a thought.

You don't study the bible: you say whatever Brooklyn says to say, inlcuding reading from your nonReasoning from the Scriptures in response to questions over your heads.

You have a persecution complex about this Satan fellow. How many of you people? Seven million or so, supported, presumably by angels, eh? And Satan's been running ropes around you for how long? You can't even keep the children of JWs in, with your retention rates lower than 40%; then you attack poor, uninformed people in third world countries; plus, your congregations are safe havens for paedophiles.

So, how many JWs have been killed for being JWs in recent times? You keep talking of Peter, Stephen, Jesus, etc etc; what do these people have to do with your little American religion?

You're not even witnesses of Jesus; you're witnesses of Yahweh, the tribal Hebrew god/God.

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truthislight: @nimshi

you have lied again o!

What with 10,000

That is the way you have been lying against the JW.

Lol.

This is child's play

Do you also have an arithmetic impediment?

I wrote '<10,000', meaning - oh, dear, must I explain this?! - 'less than 10,000'

Isn't that correct for the number of the 'remnant' your religion claims remains of the 144,000?

Years of Watchtower indoctrination appears to have stagnated your reasoning. This is a sorry thing.

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BARRISTERS,

you're a joke.

Who cares if you're a JW or not?

You're an embarrassment to the human species.

But you may have a childlike sense of humour, eh; I don't know of Ola & MyJoe, but I'm trilled to be part of that Trinity ;-)

But you, you have your head firmly implanted in your rectum: your front end and rear are a duality unto yourself; congratulations (I must not go wash my fingers after typing that). . .

I have noticed MyJoe - whom I have fiercely disagreed with on this thread - is a very patient human; and even MyJoe says you're irredeemable, it's time to wipe the floor with you.

When your elders find you're having these conversations on the Internet, you'll be hurled into the backroom and thoroughly chastised, after which you will 'repent' in ashes and shame. Really, do you think you're free? You're not. but that's your choice; the problem is that you mislead people. And you have rather poor reasoning skills.

And, your manner of cut/paste with others' words tell you've learned very well from your WT masters.

Well done. Your masters will reward you ;-)

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frosbel:


The days of using scripture to deceive the masses is over.

Do you know that where 2 or 3 are gathered together in the name of Jesus , that he is there -

"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." - Matthew 18:20

For example I have fellowship with my wife and children, this is also acceptable in the sight of GOD.

I also fellowship in a NON-DENOMINATIONAL church where I live with no strings attached. Just praise God, share the word but no compulsion to adhere to any particular doctrine or do things in a certain way that pleases the pastor.

JW, Catholic church , mega churches , and the likes are all Man made 'control freak' cults.

Incidentally:

- the founder of the JW religion started out by calling organised religion a fraud
- the JWs held on to that belief until they became big
- and then it became compulsory to attend up to 5 different 'meetings' (indoctrination classes) every week
- ordinary JWs are not allowed to gather together on their own, by their choice
- they are not also allowed to study the bible independently: they must use Watchtower materials
- any interpretation not sanctioned by the leaders is 'demonic', and means apostasy; JWs who do this can be expelled & shunned
- the JW leaders today claim ordinary JWs do not have Jesus as mediator to God (the leaders are the mediators)
- for other special JWs (those that will go to heaven, < 10,000), Jesus is their mediator
- this means, essentially that: all ordinary JWs are subservient to the leaders; the leaders at the same time claim to be invisible
- and because the leaders claim they are "God's mouthpiece", or "God's only channel" to earth today, ordinary JWs are 'trapped'
- JWs don't excplain these things to their new recruits; most recruits find out when it is too late

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truthislight:

birds of the same feathers flocking together.

All using JW detrators website.

Have a life.

Ola, Nimshi does not even believe in the God you claim to serve but the both of you are here doing the same thing, the work of your master.

He supports muslim or he is a muslim, i dont know for myjoe yet, but time will tell, he is very Good in hiding his antics.

MyJoe: your patience is commendable.

truthislight: I think it wouldn't be rude to say this: you arrive at conclusions you know nothing about. Now, many of us do that, but some are able to slam the breaks on it ans realise they may have been wrong. But you, hmnn . . . You mistake criticism - even scathing criticism - for something else. Calling Jehovah/Yahweh the tribal god of the Jews, for example, drives you into a fit. I tell you: do you think calling the deity you call Jehovah/Yahweh a tribal god of the Jews, or noting that he - as presented in the 'old' testament - was particularly efficient at killing people he didn't like (children, women, etc etc), for instance somehow means Yahweh/Jehovah will like me less than you because you pick a bag and go to people's houses? You're making a mistake.

But I'll give you this: you may be correct in the above that I may not believe in the same God as Ola (I have no clear view of Ola's god/God); but how could anyone take you serious when you conclude that Ola & are are doing the work of our 'master'? You're only reiterating the victimhood that's been part of your dehumanisation* by the Watchtower Society.

I will now recall that great debate in the bible, between Job and his brilliant interlocutors: if you must bring a case in support of God, you must also be truthful. It is truthful to describe Yahweh/Jehovah as the tribal god of the Jews; just as it is truthful to write that he allowed genocide and infanticide; and that he is sometimes prone to impulse actions with disastrous consequences, and that he is sometimes rash; in his favour: he has demonstrated a willingness to listen to human reasoning and change his behaviour: you JWs, and many Christians, I must say, miss this last trait. Those who know Yahweh/Jehovah, know it, and they use that knowledge well. Unfortunately, your leaders in Brooklyn have programmed you not to think that way.

Sorry; but I'll be watching how your drooling becomes an irreversible embarrassment for you and your faith.

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