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gen2genius:
Defintely! That's what he taught them - No mercy. Kill. Behead. Stone. Bomb!

you forgot rape , castration and forced labour by thighing (hence why we have so many bastard africans who are confused and don't know whether they are arab or muslim or africans).

Are u not suprised that for all the evils of the white men, at least there are still living evidences of the slaves descendants amongst the whites, try and ask an arab or a muslim for where most of all the black slaves people went to, you would be suprised.

fellis:
What the verse means is first muslims from their people, who were non-muslims. Not first muslims to ever live.

Please can u be more coherent and stop trying to decieve yourself by twisting the quran to mean something else that it clearly does not mean. It is very clear from the quran wat is being said.

The quran did not say: first amongst non-muslims
The quran said: first muslim

Those are two different statements and meaning entirely, moreover how come the quran did not make it clear  and forcing you to re-interprete for us. If the quran is not clear on that, then wat other thing are we also suppose to reinterprete (e.g. let me guess murky water and setting sun, farthest mosque in jerusalem that mohammed never visited but said he did and the list goes on and on)


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gen2genius:
QURAN 2:132

The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).


QURAN 7:143
   
And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.


QURAN 39:12
    And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).

No wonder muslims are so CONFUSED!

I want to use muslims words against them, so that they would not be able to dance around and lie that its not true. First and foremost, let us understand that:



- Muslims say a child born to a muslim father is a muslim

- From above, the quran says abraham talked to allah (which he did not cus allah was a moon god) and also that abraham told his sons and jacob
that following allah is the true religion.


Now let us notice the following observations from the quoted quran verses.

Thus from above, it means:

- Abraham was a muslim

- Abraham's sons were muslims by birth (according to muslims) and because Abraham told them about Allah.

- Jacob was also a muslim by birth.

- All descendants of Jacob were muslims by birth.

- Moses was a muslim by birth.

- Isrealites are descendants of Jacob, hence it means isrealites are also muslims by birth.


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Now let us notice the following serious problems of obvious contradiction noticed immediately from the quoted verses and raised points.


1. The Quran says:

Moses was claimed to be the first muslim. 



2. The Quran implies:

Abraham was also claimed to be the first muslim 


3. The Quran implies:

Jacob was already born while Abraham was still alive   


The other contradictions are that:


How came Allah talk to Abraham wen there was no god called Allah until the time of Mohammed who himself is a descendant of Abraham as a result of the lineage of Ishmeal.

Isrealites are not muslims, were never muslims and have never called themselves muslims.

There is no god or Creator called "Allah" in land, language and history of children of Isreal, instead the word allah originated from the names of idols worshipped by Arabs before the birth of Mohammed himself.

Isrealites don't have anything to do with descendants of Ishmeal apart from being descendants of Abraham.

Moses never called himself a muslim.

Moses never called the Creator by the name Allah.

How can Moses be the first muslim when even the quran says that children of Jacob are supposed to be muslims by birth considering Moses did not come before other children of Jacob and Abraham.

Jacob was the son of Isaac.

Jacob was not yet born until Abraham had already died, hence how did Abraham tell Jacob something wen its obvious that Jacob was not even existing then.

gen2genius:
LOL, Imagine the cleric telling the woman, "Let's not go there." He's just like Abuzola and his cohorts. They waste all their time and energy criticising others. But when when it comes to the countless proofs of savagery in their religion, they say, "Let's not go there."

As for the issue of "thighing," I'm not surprised. If 53 year old Muhammed could lust after Aisha when she was just 6 and eventually had sex with her at the age of 9, you can expect anything from his followers. What happens daily in in Northern Nigeria attests to this. SAVAGES and MORONS!

Savages and Morons indeed, the funny thing is that they preach it and do it to other people's children but would never allow their own daughters to undergo such. When something similar happens to their family members then you start to hear about such stupid things like honour killings so as to cover up something that could have been solved with common sense in the first place.

Abraham really made a mistake by boning Haggar and giving birth to Ishmeal, cus otherwise Mohammed might (u never know ) not have existed right now. That peadophile known as Mohammed has really caused a lot of destruction to mankind.

olabukola:
The issue is that he will be in office come 2012 weda we beg him or not. Thatz his place of abode for the next 6 years unless Abacha became his case somewhere along the line. So we should stop complaining and leave with One Nigeria./One Arewa.

Get ready for more hardship this is just the begging.

Long Live ONE NIGERIA/AREWA

@olabukola

I am not sure you are actually a yoruba considering u have the guts to praise Arewa or was that supposed to be a sarcastic statement.

If you are a yoruba and you are actually praising yar adua, then you are a yoruba traitor unless the converse is true.

I hope the Muslim North fails in everything they lay their hands on and i hope nigeria splits in the near future, cus these northerners are just robbers and thieves making money from things which they have made little or no investment.

Its sad that OBJ was too blind to see before he leaped.

@post, how come u posted something so detailed, are u doing marketting for bank phb or giving a testimony. Why not just give a summary of what u did and how u did it.

It really smells fishy that you are giving the details of everything u, its almost like you are trying to convince people to take Bank PhB loans which means u are either a Bank PhB staff doing marketting or someone else quite naive as to the dangers of using bank loans to study. Considering there is no guarantee you would ever be able to pay back the loan in the near future.

@others please be carefull about all these so called loans, banks always want to keep people in debt so as to guarantee a source of income for themselves for the duration of the debt repayment, hence pls look before you leap.

Infact i would not be suprised if some people are already regretting collecting Bank PhB loans.

A word is enough for the wise.

BETA2MOROW:
brothers n sisters,becareful with the bank loan issue in other for you not to be paying debt throughout your life time after you come bank from u.k in the nearest future,open your eyes we are nigerian here is our home we know way to track one down to collect all her wealth, give it a real think before you , into it.love u all

Banks are not charities
Banks are created to make money out of thin air
Banks always want you to be forever indebted to them

I am really worried for anyone who decides to pursue a career using bank loans, there would be no peace of mind and an ever growing debt.

ikeyman00:
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Nigerian muslims want new constitution
National News
Jun 30, 2009

By AbdulSalam Muhammad

KANO — The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs in Nigeria has demanded a brand new constitution that would bequeath to the nation true federalism.

The Council’s position came on the heel of proposed amendments exercise by the National Assembly on the 1999 constitution.

Secretary-General of the Council, Alhaji Lateef Adegbite, who spoke in Kano during the first Islamic Summit organised by a Zaria-based Muslim Research and Planning explained that it was long over due to jettison the 1999 constitution.

Adegbite said Nigeria required a constitution that is ethically based in view of its multi-religious status, stressing that such constitutional freedom would guarantee each faith a suitable style in line with their religious practices.

“We must have a system that is ethically based, and our problems in Nigeria is that we allowed a constitution that is evil based while the Muslims had allowed themselves to be westernised against the superior civilisation the religious book bequeath to them,” he said.

Adegbite lamented that by accident of the existing order, Nigerian Muslims had been westernised to the detriment of superior civilisation bequeath to them by Quran, adding that immediate action should be employed to reverse the status quo.

“It’s long over due for us to have an all encompassing constitution that will bequeath to the nation true federalism and guarantee constitutional freedom to Muslims,” he said.

The Secretary-General explained that Nigerian Muslims should be given the right to operate a constitution that suits their religion in such states where they controlled absolute majority in the spirit of true federalism.

His speech that attracted loud ovation from the audience reinforced the legendary agitation by Nigerian Muslims for a separate constitution in the country as a panacea to true federalism in Nigeria.

The three-day summit under the chairmanship of former Military President, Ibrahim Babangida, will appraise the religion in the context of the merging challenges in the world.

In a goodwill message, the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Sa’ad Abubakar called on Muslims to unite in the interest of the religion and peaceful coexistence with others.


and ikeyman says shaira has to go

The end of nigeria is near, its either we perish due to ethnic wars or religious wars.

Once again muslims showing that they are only able to evangelise by use of force whenever they are in a majority in any state, as they say give the devil a small chance he would eventually take a big one. Funny that the north is already practising federalism by using state religious policing and forcing christians in their state to conform to islamic rules. Now they are slowly going towards trying to make nigeria a full blown islamic state, men the earlier we split the better, cus this is really gettting very ridiculous in every way or form.

If there is something i envy the Ibos for its the fact that they do not have islam amongst their midst.

Once a muslim, always a muslim, a moderate muslim is just one who is not yet ready to kill, cus wen he is ready, he sure has a justification for it within their quran.

Its like this man called Adegbite never learned from history or something, Yorubas and Hausas do not mix whether muslim or not. Now he is seeking to justify something unreasonable. How many times has christians enforced a law on muslims against their will. Afonjas did the same thing in ilorin and they are still suffering for it by putting islamic goals before their ethnic goals. Seriously yoruba muslims that behave like this are seriously bastards of the highest order.

Men this is completely stupid, Niger Delta needs to completely control their oil themselves, let the muslim north practise sharia with their kolanut money, thats their problem.

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Asa - The Place To Be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV-oxgnEgBY&feature=channel_page

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okay i have done a little research now about her, although i do not have an opinion yet.

People please i need a little bit of tutorial here:

- Who the heck is makosi

- Why are we talking about her

- Who d heck spends his or her time watching big brother.

- Did she really have sex in the pool, this one that people are insinuating that she is just a typical sex for breakfast, sex for lunch and sex for dinner kinda person.

- Is she a porn star or something.

- Why am i supposed to care if she is pregnant or not.

- Nope she is not really that good looking.

- Even those boobies are not that good.

so can someone please answer the above questions as simple as possible.

Sir olabowale

can u please explain to us how ur diversion has something to do with the topic at hand or is it always a case of al-taqiya wen there is no reasonable answer to use or defend with.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=252142.msg4136364#msg4136364 date=1246768308]kiss and make up ke? why?

no2, i think u should take over from david o. evangelism will be more successful in better hands[/quote]Cus u two sound like u are starting to cyber-fight.

Me i no be evangelist oh i just like speaking the truth and informing people so as to help them make a better decision that might affect their eternity.

I prefer the lifestyle of the early church whereby their was just a gathering of believers that shared the truth with each other and outsiders and not that there was an organised religious order or heirachry or something.

Sharing the truth via the internet is one thing that i am good at hence i see it as my own blessing sort of.

FL Gators:
@Post
Chocolate chips cookine/ Kool-Aid Twists

someone is playing with stomach fat and not thinking about putting on weight.

davidylan:
Neither do i see you doing anything at all to even show that Christ is someone that is more than your sunday vitamin. Before you cast stones make sure you're not hauling larger ones yourself. Your keeping quiet is MUCH WORSE than those of us on the offensive. Paul was so offensive to the ephesians that they stoned him and hauled him before Judges.

Stephen spoke to the extent that they took him to the city limits and stoned him. In the old days . . . christians were hated, today we are most beloved of all men . . . not because we have Christ in us but because we have successfully taken Christ out and replaced Him with a cloak of false religion.

That was exactly wat the romans did by infiltrating the early church e.g. roman church to create the roman catholic church heresy.

What some people don't realise was that persecution of early believers was part of the thing that grew the church. The roman catholic heresy took away the persecution and replaced with political fiat administration and religious decrees that ended up killing evangelism and real church growth, instead wat was created was a monster that actually went about killing the real believers and promoting the heretic teachings of the pagans who have now taking over the some of the early churches.

I for one do not believe that constantine was saved going by the accounts i read of him (unless those accounts are false and he actually ended up being saved). Experience and biblical stories shows that constantines so called salvation experience smelled and looked more like spiritualism/paganism than biblical truth.

The church and politics do not mix, hence one of the signs of noticing a false prophet is one who is concerned about influencing political issues of the day, even the Messiah Himself with His Power choose not to get involved in the politics of his day.

Do people realise that the Messiah could have easily ended the Roman Domination in the world merely by saying it, yet we had nothing like that from the bible.

Simply because that was not his duty on earth, his duty on earth was not political but spiritual, the time for world domination is still yet to come later on once the spiritual battle for the soul of men has been won (which He did.)

oya you two should french kiss and make up

@david abeg continue asking them about Allah jare, lets hope they answer.

even their oga olabowale is also struggling to come up with a sensible answer.

@oyinda

I am a little confused about you.

- Are u here to debate david and save the muslims the embarrasment of answering his question without dancing around or wat. How exactly do you intend to tell someone the truth without hurting their feelings.

- the Messiah flogged people in the Temple, hence saying the truth is not always about peace and tolerance, otherwise your own statements would implying that the Creator was wrong to tell Isrealites to exterminate the Amalekites and wrong for the Messiah himself to bluntly and openly critisize the pharasees and scribes who were the religious leaders of their days.

- If you love peace and allow people to go to hell cus u are so tolerant, then it shows u do not really understand the gravity of the situation that warranted the Messiah to actually come down to preach and die for humanity so as to save as many people as possible.

- People would not know the truth unless you tell them.

- There are muslims on this forumn that are actually learning from interacting on this thread, opposition to the truth was wat caused muslims to create a subsection for themselves away from the searing truth being revealed by others against them.

- I for one have been banned many times simply for saying something truthful but which is against islam.

- Even the owner of nairaland has been threatened with violence by this same muslims that you are so quick to openly defend.

- Salvation is not about not hurting feelings.

- Salvation is about telling people the truth for them to know they are doomed and hence need to change.

- Islam was and would always be a lie holding many people in bondage and yet does not even guarantee them salvation, yet you want people to keep quiet so as to be tolerance while watching as people get doomed with this cult.

- I would not be suprised if u actually wrongly think that: Islam and Bible refer to the same Creator, otherwise you would realise that its the responsibility of anyone to speak the truth at all times.


- @oyinda i like you and your sense of humour, but one thing i never compromise on is the issue of speaking the truth as it is and when it concerns islam.

- I have benefitted from knowing the truth hence its my responsibility and other people's responsibility to likewise tell the truth at all times.

@davidylan

Abudrogba or Abuzola says i am an atheist, maybe he was sniffing somebody's ass while bowing down in the mosque to pray to the idol allah.


@abuzola and others.

- where is the original bible.
- when did it get lost.
- how did mohammed very that the original bible was lost.
- how did mohammed know the content of the original bible.
- how come mohammed's account of the isrealites and the original bible completely contradicts what the isrealites themselves say and wat non-isrealite history says.
- when, where and how did mohammed read the original bible considering he was an illiterate.

I have restrained not to join this biafra war issue.

I have been in the East and have experienced their culture (in Ohafia of Abia State) hence i know about Abiriba, Isialangwa, Bende, Aba etc)

My observation is that the East is not that developed compared to the West and the North, yet for some reason they are hell bent on Biafra.

My observation is also that Ibos are generally an independent minded people meaning that they do not even agree with each other talkless of outsiders.

Ibos don't seem to realise that:

- Biafra would actually be landlocked.

- Areas of Igbos is actually quite a very small area of nigeria, hence how they came to prominence in the east is actually a little startling, considering even the non - ibo part of the niger delta and east is quite even much bigger than the ibo pat. Hence they would still have the same problem of majority minority assuming other unrelated people decide to go along with them.

- Some ibos seem to only be interested in money and oil, considering that they keep adding Niger Delta to their so called Biafra even though its quite obvious that most people in the Niger Delta don't really want to have anything to do with Biafra.

Are Ibos going to force groups like
- Ijaws
- Edos
- Calabaris
- Efiks
- Itsekiris

to join them by force cus of oil and gas or wat, cus either way i look at this Biafra issue, it seems Ibos are always going to lose (cus of little or no Oil except small amount in Abia and cus of the fact that they would be land locked as a nation, hence have to be dependent on the benevolence of either nigeria or cameroun in the use of the air space for transportation or transportation of goods).

My advise is that Igbos should think this thing through very very well before taking this kind of plunge, cus the truth is that once nigeria is divided they then non of the other parts have a reason not to nationalise all ibo properties and businesses in their region and non of the other parts have no reason not to deny igbos access to land and sea.


My advise is that Nigeria should go back to the regional kind of goverment such that:

Nigeria is divided into different regions based solely on ethnic groups, hence all the nonsense of states containing different ethnic groups would be removed and each ethnic group would control its own resources and develop only at is own pace, have its own military and have its own police.

The only thing that would be done is that 10% total tax from all the regions put together (when added up from all the regions together) would be paid to a 3-president head central body, just to keep the name nigeria floating until all the regions now finally decide to part ways.

ElRazur:
Thank you for posting that. It is one reason why not to lie on a forum.

1.36 of the video is scary. What kind of Iman encourages paedophilia? Jeez! I guess if Mohammed can do it, then it is good for all muslims.

The Iman is stupid. He claims they may not have sex and should not get the female pregnant. . . .erm but why marry an immature girl [both mentally and sexually] in the first place? He is a purveyor of paedophilia to be honest.

now u are getting it,