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alfarouq:
I was discussing with a christian and he made the statement salvation is of the Jews and when i asked him what happened to the claim that believing in Jesus is the way to salvation, bearing in mind that most Jews are not only anti-Jesus, they go to the extent of calling him unprintable names such as an impostor, a child born out of wedlock, a blasphemer.

What according to Christianity will be the fate of such Jews in the afterlife? Are they going to heaven or hell?

To most modern Christians, a Jew can do know wrong, what is been frowned upon if done by a gentile becomes not only allowed but praised when done by Jews as most modern Christians believe. They will always defend themselves with a verse from their bible which says i will bless him who has blessed thee and i will curse him who has cursed thee.

Is the allegation of non-Christians that the christian God is only a Jewish God. why should there be separate rules for Jews and separate for gentiles

Very simple answers, it was a discussion between Jesus and a woman from Samaria and the issue where was who where the real worshipers of God, whether it was the Jews or Samaria, but Jesus clarified that as written in John 3:6-24. The statement Salvation is from the Jews simply means that Salvation will come from Jesus and of course He was a Jew.

The only way a man can be saved if to accept the Grace Jesus offers which is to Believe in the Death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, only that can save a man.

And for the records:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:10-11 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

For detailed and clearer explanation kindly visit www.livingworldmedia.org and download free audio teachings on this topic and anyone you want.

Shalom

joseph1013:


You are still evading my questions. I will repeat them: What has the Life of God afforded you that unbelievers do not have? What is unique about the Life of God in your life that differentiates you from other people who are not Christians? In other words, what is your unique advantage?

Ok, let clarify some things.
I see that you’re not being honest. When you asked me concerning the earth being 4,000 – 10,000 years according to bible scholars. It is obvious you already knew that some Christians (sect as you call it) had already answered that, yet you used it as one of your major arguments. In other words either way I answered you had something to counter it. That’s not being fair and none of your logical friend could that out.
I have listened to some parts, and like I said earlier, you regurgitated some of the thoughts I heard. Most of them are outright lies, the others are mere esoteric beliefs that have no substance. There is nothing earth-shattering about those materials, bro. It's the same same mythical ideologies. They don't pose much of a challenge, believe me.
Your assertions that my Pastor said “the Holy Ghost to told” is making me doubt if we’re talking about the same person, because my Pastor has never said that and will never use such terminologies. For the records my Pastor is actually against personal revelation about the bible. Pls you know is name, kindly cross check your facts and come clarify to us where my Pastor actually used those words.
That being said, I’m a bit disappointed, I thought after listening to the track, you would have come with specific words my pastor and try and discredit them, rather than using spurious and bogus statement to describe what nobody knows about.
By the way when I mean snippets this is what I mean: for instance the teaching on “Understanding the law and the prophets” has two series consisting of 19 tracks and a total of 49 hours play time, so a snippet is to listen to just one track (may track 3 in series 1 which is 1hr 52mins) from begging to the end! Did you do that sir?

joseph1013:
You see, these are some of the esoteric revelations I was talking about with your Pastor. He makes dubious claims and all he says as proof is that he got them from the Holy Spirit. It does not take a genius to say that.
Here is from the Bible itself:
Genesis 2:17 (NIV) "...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
Genesis 3:1 (NIV) "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
Claim ignorance of what is expressly written all you want, it does not remove what we have in the Bible. It simply means you are proud in ignorance.

You see this why I sometimes have issues with those who cannot understand the bible (because they are spiritually dead) now trying to explain the bible more than those who it was written for. Let me educate you a bit, the book of genesis was written by Moses, it is obvious Moses wasn’t there because Moses was not born until Exodus 2. Therefore, Moses wrote the book of Genesis by revelation or what you will call today a vision. And in a vision, not all things are taken literally, some can be literal, some can be figurative, in the case of Genesis 2 & 3, the tree of life, three of knowledge and evil where all figurative. This why if study the bible, you will discover that in the old testament books, wherever the book of genesis is to be referenced they all stop at Abraham, because they did not have an understanding of the earlier part of the book.
Now why we know those stuff where figurative is very simple, the events in Genesis 3, was a major event that not only shaped humanity but after the bible itself because it is a very important subject. So out the book of Genesis, you will never see the tree referenced by anyone not even in the epistle, whenever it was to be referenced the writer used Adam disobeyed because they knew Moses was not talking about a tree. In fact the only mention of the 3 was the serpent in the book revelation “Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” “Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years”, so my dear stop arguing about something you don’t much about.
To take it a bit further and show you your folly, you did mention that satan was responsible for the deaths in the book of Job, but what the Job say “Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD, and Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.” You say it was satan that was responsible but Job said it was God, So who do we believe

[b] I am sorry to have to say this, but you sir have got not much knowledge of the history of the church and the Bible.
Many of the books of the New Testament, including the four gospels and the 1 epistle of John, were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle — Peter, Paul or James — knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.
This was what Bart Erhman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies, has to say about the scriptures:
"It is one thing to say that the originals were inspired, but the reality is that we don't have the originals—so saying they were inspired doesn't help me much, unless I can reconstruct the originals. Moreover, the vast majority of Christians for the entire history of the church have not had access to the originals, making their inspiration something of a moot point. Not only do we not have the originals, we don't have the first copies of the originals. We don't even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later—much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, in many thousands of places. These copies differ from one another in so many places that we don't even know how many differences there are. Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament." [/b]

I truly don’t understand this guy, are you saying that the whole new testament is a forgery?? Books that have been studied by many theologians and religious professors, including archaeologists who are not Christians have studied for hundreds of years, who can verify that the events and places mentioned in the bible took place or exist, there are enough evidences that the accounts that the events in the New testament actually happened, in fact just last week the National Geography are excavating the burial tomb of Jesus (not that I’m into all this, just brought it up for the sake of this argument) and you come to discredit all it because something ONE so called prominent Professor I have never heard or know is religious of said about the authors. Please tell me who is more logical to be believed, one professor or the many other theologians, professors and archaeologists.

Now let’s examine the statement of your so called prominent professor, according to you he said why the scriptures was not valid was because “Not only do we not have the originals, we don't have the first copies of the originals. We don't even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals and there were differences?”
I put in to you, that if anyone come today with the original manuscripts or copy of the copy of the original, then we should rather question its authenticity rather than rejoice over because of the following:
1. This manuscripts were original written by different people at different times, they were had written because at that time there was no printing press that could mass produced them.
2. Secondly, this were not private documents, but was intended for mass consumption hence several copies would have been made. At this point, let me say for instance, when Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, it was not just once assembly, but many different local smaller congregations within the city (Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee), so each local congregation would have duplicated a copy of the letter manually.
3. Now as the letter began to come, it was also duplicated by hand to other churches in other cities, because it was a public material for teaching Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea: so we can begin to see different copies of the same letter. Please still bear in mind there were no printing press at that time so the letter couldn’t be mass produced.
4. As it is well documented in history, the early Christians were severely persecuted and most time had to go into hiding. Wherever they were caught they were brutally murdered and their possession brunt. So, what do you think would have happened to the early books during such times?
5. All the early Apostles that wrote the New Testament were all brutally murdered at different times and in different places, so assuming they had the original on them as traveled, do you think those who murdered them would’ve been gracious enough to preserve the manuscripts for historic purposes?
6. As per the difference in the written, that can easily explained, you see in those times the major spoken language/official language was Greek, and since it was not their first tongue, there would have of course been some discrepancies when this materials where being manually copied, just like today, we have the English Language, which has at least the British version and the American version. And last this manual copying where done by men.
7. Finally as early as the 15th 16th century, the roman catholic church withdrew all the bible in circulation and only put a locked up Latin version of it in Libraries and Museums. Before it was later again re-translated to the bible we have now

So you see, we have to question anyone who claims to have the origin or copies of the copies of the original, because from what I mentioned from the foregoing, it would be practically impossible to still have the original manuscripts and may I had the writers of the scriptures never envisage that one day their writings will be compiled into one book. So it beats me if no one ever questioned or disproved the assertions made by your prominent professor. So here is my question, is the dispute over the bible a dispute about its author or the content?

As you can see, your claim about the Holy Spirit is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it. And that's why my questions are so pertinent: What has the Holy Spirit afforded you that unbelievers do not have? What is unique about the Holy Spirit in your life that differentiates you from other people who are not Christians? In other words, what is your unique advantage?

You see that is a major mistake many make, including some Christians, Muslims, agnostics and atheists alike, they think and believe that the Christians should be validated with physical things! That is a major error, because the Christians is essentially a life in and of the Spirit! Anything less than that if a false region and that’s why a man not born again can never understand or receive from it.
1Co 2:12-14 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Again you can never convince a man who has ate honey severally that honey is NOT Sweet!

I still have more, but I’ll stop for now
Shalom.

joseph1013:


You are still evading my questions. I will repeat them: What has the Life of God afforded you that unbelievers do not have? What is unique about the Life of God in your life that differentiates you from other people who are not Christians? In other words, what is your unique advantage?

Ok, let clarify some things.

ValentineMary:
U are very wicked. See how u finish the guy. I have nothing more to say

Finished me, with the crap he wrote up there I was just laughing when I saw this. He probably thinks he has met another ignorant Christian and he is already rejoicing Mchew. If you notice I have deliberately not been quoting scriptures because I'm still seizing him up, to see whether he is worth my time and effort. By time I'm ready to start with him, you'll know. FINISHED INDEED!

joseph1013:
noblefada, I see that you have refused to answer any of the queries I put to you in other parts of my response. Typical!

Very sorry for the absence, I forgot to tell you that I'm not usually available on weekends, very sorry about that. But I don't think it very nice of you to use expletives to score cheep points.

joseph1013:


Fair enough if your particular christian denomination does not agree with the Bible scholars who say the bible is between 4,000-10,000. But if you use the type of interpretation people like Lita Cosner use, it is difficult to disagree as a Christian. I can see that your sect uses the The Gap Theory. Again, fair enough. There are no two sects in Christianity that agree on everything, so that's not surprise. And it's a dent on Christianity.

But you have been vague about the age of the earth. If you have an exclusive understanding of the scriptures you should be able to tell us the precise age of the earth. How old is earth? And tell us what you think the Bible says about time space. Perhaps when science gets it right, we can come back and give you the Nobel Prize in Physics.



Isn't this a nice way to swerve the facts? So when the Bible says in 1 Samuel 2:8, "For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and He has set the world upon them.", we should say that it was trying to communicate in the way they understand at the time, but when you latch unto the seeming correct, "...hangeth the earth upon nothing.", the Bible is teaching real science?

Don't be clever by half. You can't be in two places at the same time. You have to be consistent. The Bible is ignorant in science. There is no milder way to say it.



You told me to listen to tracks on that website and I have done that to some extent. None of his statements are original, that's for sure. There are people around the world who believe in the exact same doctrines. And most of them are outright lies, the others are mere esoteric beliefs that have no substance. I know you love your Pastor but you have to do more than regurgitating his beliefs. You need to arrive at conclusions yourself based on evidence. He does not own you or your thoughts.



[b]I am sorry to have to say this, but you sir have got not much knowledge of the history of the church and the Bible.

Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle — Peter, Paul or James — knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.

This was what Bart Erhman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies, has to say about the scriptures:

"It is one thing to say that the originals were inspired, but the reality is that we don't have the originals—so saying they were inspired doesn't help me much, unless I can reconstruct the originals. Moreover, the vast majority of Christians for the entire history of the church have not had access to the originals, making their inspiration something of a moot point. Not only do we not have the originals, we don't have the first copies of the originals. We don't even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later—much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, in many thousands of places. As we will see later in this book, these copies differ from one another in so many places that we don't even know how many differences there are. Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament."[/b]



[b]You have committed a fallacy here called No true Scotsman. The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one’s position.

Example: (1) Chidinma puts sugar on her beans.
(2) No (true) Igbo puts sugar on her beans.
Therefore:
(3) Chidinma is not a (true) Igbo.
Therefore:
(4) Chidinma is not a counter-example to the claim that no Igbo puts sugar on her beans.

That's what you committed here. You believe that no true Christian will experience the joy of the Holy Spirit and fall away, and if a Christian falls away, that means he was not a true Christian. A classic no true Scotsman fallacy.

Another one I hear regularly is that once one becomes a Christian one cannot become an atheist. Apparent counter-examples to this idea, people who appear to have faith but subsequently lose it like me, are written off using the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy: they didn’t really have faith, they weren’t true Christians. The claim that faith cannot be lost is thus preserved from refutation. Given such an approach, this claim is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it.

As you can see, your claim about the Holy Spirit is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it. And that's why my questions are so pertinent: What has the Holy Spirit afforded you that unbelievers do not have? What is unique about the Holy Spirit in your life that differentiates you from other people who are not christians? In other words, what is your unique advantage?[/b]

Only one answer to the final paragraph, THE LIFE OF GOD LIVING IN A MAN!

joseph1013:


It's a bait-and-switch tactic. Perhaps your Pastor didn't tell you how it works. What you do is make yourself the authority on a subject and release 'good' materials on the subject. That way you gain the trust of your subjects. At a later date, you 'encourage' them to give to support the good works you are doing using sly tactics. You tell them they are not giving to you but giving to a higher purpose, in this case God, and that by giving they will be blessed, infering that those who give will be blessed more than those who didn't.

It's a con tactic and it's fraudulent. God rewards no one for giving, there has been no solid evidence for that.



You claim in another comment that you have been following this page for a while. If truly you have, then better believe that there is not an argument that you will make that I have not heard before. I have looked at everything you wrote in the comment and it does not sound like the wisdom of Socrates. They are still the same rehased words we have heard over and over again. Quit claiming superior knowledge and just answer the questions, Mr.



I had spare time last night and I listened to snippets of some tracks on that site. If you wholeheartedly believe some of the comments he made and it is on those basis that you claim superior knowledge, then it suffices to say that you have been thoroughly brainwashed. The man simply claims esoteric knowledge of the Bible as ministered to him by the Holy Spirit, and as usual, he has no evidence to back up his claims. I won't take him serious if I were you.



[b]You have not really read your Bible. In the Bible, Satan killed Job's family. So let's say about 10 or so people. In contrast, God killed millions. If you use only numbers that are provided in the Bible, here's how many God killed: 2,821,364.

Here are but a few example:

- God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

- God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites

- God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

- God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

Only a thoroughed brain-washed person, or a sadist will truly believed God killed no one in the Bible.[/b]



You see, these are some of the esoteric revelations I was talking about with your Pastor. He makes dubious claims and all he says as proof is that he got them from the Holy Spirit. It does not take a genius to say that.

Here is from the Bible itself:

Genesis 2:17 (NIV) "...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."

Genesis 3:1 (NIV) "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

Claim ignorance of what is expressly written all you want, it does not remove what we have in the Bible. It simply means you are proud in ignorance.



Of course, Jesus contradicted himself. He did in many places in the Bible. One of them is Matthew 18:28 (NIV): "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

As you can see, he had no idea what he was talking about. All he spoke to (if he actually spoke to them) are long dead.

The reason for this and many of the contradictions in the Bible is simple, God speaks to no one. We have not seen any proof that God speaks to any body. All that was written in the Bible were written by Iron Age people who had no idea about modern civilization. They were crude men who based on limited understanding about the modern world.



Just like in any religion, there are several sects. Obviously, it seems the sect your Pastor leads is the one which believes in what you just wrote. Good for you. You should be grateful to science and what it has achieved for you, because lesser beliefs than these have sparked great wars between denominations in Christianity. Read about the Religious Wars in France. Believe whatever suits you, but we will not take you serious unless you provide evidence.



I have listened to some parts, and like I said earlier, you regurgitated some of the thoughts I heard. Most of them are outright lies, the others are mere esoteric beliefs that have no substance. There is nothing earth-shattering about those materials, bro. It's the same same mythical ideologies. They don't pose much of a challenge, believe me.



[b]Lies! How did the Bible clearly explained scientific concepts? How old is this planet according to the bible? 6 to 10,000 years. While science gives a more accurate description like 4 billion years. The Bible does not hold a candle to science in terms of explaining the natural world and providing for mankind.

Believers used words in the book of Job like Job 26:7, "...hangeth the earth upon nothing." as saying the Bible explained natural phenonemon so well before modern science. Wrong! The quote from Job is misleading. Even if the earth "hangeth upon nothing", something that "hangeth" must still hangeth from something. The fact that Job talks about the earth hanging at all is proof of its falsity. Now, if Job said something like "the earth floateth among the emptiness of the void", religionists would have something to talk about. However, saying that the earth "hangeth upon nothing" is no more meaningful than saying that "the convicted criminal hangeth upon nothing". I mean, yeah... obviously, he hangeth upon nothing. If he hangethed upon something, it would defeat the whole purpose of hanging him.

Unfortunately for Job, the earth hangeth upon the gravitational attraction of the Sun - otherwise it would wizz off into space.

About different authors writing the same things, arghhh...you can make anything to fit the narrative. Scholars have looked intently at the supposed prophesized and have found that they are at best ambigious and most of the time untrue. Spare me that rhethoric.

Matthew to John? You don't even know the history of those books. None of them is accurate. They are a copy of the copy of the copy. They have been edited and edited for purpose. The book of John, for instance, has more than 4 different varieties with widely varying texts. Do you know that none of the disciples of Christ wrote any of the gospels? Do you know that they were not eye-witness accounts? Do you know that many more gospels exists apart from the four gospels which Emperor Constantine refused to accept? Study church history, brother. Your Pastor, from what I have heard in the tracks, does not know a lot.

So the real reason you believe Christianity is true is because you believe you have the Holy Spirit? LOL

A few days back, I was telling a Christian friend of mine about speaking in tongues. She said she speaks in tongues and I told her that I have not lost mine. I went ahead to speak gibberish and she was left confused. She knows I am not a Christian, but by virtue of being a very devoted believer in the past, I can still summon the speaking in tongues in a convincing manner. LOL

It's all in the mind. There is no Holy Spirit.

Let me ask you: What has the Holy Spirit afforded you that unbelievers do not have? What is unique about the Holy Spirit in your life that differentiates you from other people who are not christians? In other words, what is your unique advantage?[/b]



Read the first post I wrote on this thread. I am fairly certain that in your Christian walk, you have not matched my level of devotion when I was a Christian. Good enough, I have not lost my knowledge of Christianity.

You see why i never wanted to start at all, you guys become apprehensive when confronted with the truth, a bit busy now, but I'll make it has brief as possible.

First, the bible never said the earth is 4,000 - 10,000 years, it is all the assumptions of men, that's why I've been telling you that your info in actually from the wrong source. The earth is actually over billions of years old and I can tell it will take scientists a while to completely explain the time space which the bible has already done, in fact it is only the bible that can clearly explain what happened in the billion of years and may the disappearance of certain animal species. But let me give you a lead, the years you see in the bible only started counting after man fell in the garden of Eden, after Adam disobeyed, how long he lived before that time nobody knows.

The Job scenario is another reason i hate the seemly craftiness of atheists in trying to disapprove God, they will want to use the knowledge and language of modern day to explain things discuss in the bible thousands of years ago, even when the bible was being compiled, this knowledge was still not available at that time, so the mode of communication was appropriate at that time, are you sincerely arguing that Job should have been concise about space and the configuration of the earth? but let me say this when you guys read other historians and prominent scientists of old who gave snippets of things today base on what was known at that time, you accept them and even explain them further base on knowledge gained over time but expect that the bible that predated them should have been more accurate.

Do you know my Pastor? have you read any of his books or materials? how many of his messages have you listened to? have you ever sat down in a service where a taught or preached in, in other words on what basis do you concluded that my Pastor doesn't know much?

About the 4 gospels, why don't you use the same arguments on the other scriptures or the old testament? Just reading the gospel of John and the book of 1 John, you will know it was written by the same author. Please kindly tell me what is the function of the 4 gospels in the bible and how it is significantly different from the epistles even when they were written at the same time and probably after the epistles was written.

Now to the Holy Spirit, I won't say much but this, you see the major issue many atheists and some professed Christians have is that the were never truly born again, what is known as false conversion. let me ask you a simple question, how does a man get born again (become saved and a christian), kindly support your answer with bible passages.

Why is the Holy Spirit so unique, you can never know until you taste him, there is no way you can ever convinced a man who has eaten honey severally that honey is not sweet, you maybe able to confuse a growing infant/child, but definitely not a grown man.

And finally, the test of Christianity is not in the devotion or activity others christian monks would have been the best of preachers and miracle workers, nor is it the how much bible verses you can quote or the history or the exigencies you know about the bible, neither is it in how long you've been a christian or how much you give to the church, the true test of Christianity is in how much of the revelation knowledge you have about Christ Jesus Ephe 1:16-22, Ehp 3:14-21, Phil 1:9-11, Col 1:9-11, Phil 3:8-14

shalom

ValentineMary:
Someone opens a thread where he post his thoughts and qus and u get offended. That's some serious ish bro. I mean daily churches disturbe but I don't get offended. So why should u get offended over some nairaland post?

I got offended because the OP over the years has made a lot of wrong assumptions about God based on the skewed information he has about God. Let me ask you this question, although it will make more sense if you were a medical doctor or a lawyer. Assuming I open up a thread to discuss how to be a doctor or practice law on nairaland and most of the facts and materials I supposedly use in backing up my claims or in explaining the profession in question are all from scenes or scripts from various Nollywood movies! Will clap for me that I'm doing well and have the right to express myself in a public forum

joseph1013:


Yes or No, is there a payment transaction option on the site or not? Religious organizations claim not to cajole people to part with their monies, but we know how that works in the real world.



Are you trying to say that you are like the person who has the PhD in Quantum Physics and I'm like the diploma holder in Music? That's fine. But there is a saying, "we learn something from everyone who passes through our lives..." Please allow me to drink from your fountain of knowledge. I would love an answer to this: why do you believe Christianity is true as compared to other religions? Remember that 1st Peter 3:15 says, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you..." Please don't think me too lowly for a response.



Well, it could be true that I am lacking in knowledge about God but there is no way we can know for sure unless we have a discussion about it. I personally think I am quite vast in these things, but then I have been wrong before. Why not give us a summary of what the track talks about. I am very familiar with the book of Genesis and most of the doctrines Nigerian pastors have coined from it.

First, I never denied it was not a payment option, but it was never meant for anyone to pay for the materials because the materials are absolutely free. Actually it only came up on the site a few months ago, because true Christianity teaches that anyone who is blessed Spiritually should communicate canals things to him/organisations that blesses him. Since many of those who benefit from the website are from all over the world and had shown intention to keep this simple bible principle, my Pastor had no other option but put it up, doing otherwise would have been living in disobedience.

The intent of the analogy was not classify based on the strata of knowledge, but to show the wide disparity in content. Please, I'm not trying to belittle you or anyone but will appreciate if you can understand that if we start a debate, it will only lead to folly, because you'll think I'm mad! The points I'll raise for my arguments and the side I'll come from will totally be oblivious to you, because if 90% those who are believers (Christians), who have the hope of internal will have a very had time accepting what I'm going to be saying saying and may even fight me over it, how much a man without the Spirit?

You may think that you've acquired an enamors amount of knowledge over the years, but I can tell you that they were all from the wrong source. Let me give you a few examples

What if I told you that God can never do evil, has never done evil or killed anyone, simply because he lack the capability to? From the book of Genesis, what if I told there was never a tree of the knowlede good and evil, nor was there a fruit or even a talking serpent? What if I told you that they were no contradictions in the bible but the contradictions are actually in the heart of men, because they fail to understand that the bible was written in progressive revelation that many of the writers knew so little about God, and in fact their greatest desire was to know God. If you truly believe that there are contradictions in the bible, then the first culprit should be Jesus Christ because it seemed He contradicted many things the old testament said, try reading Math 5:1-end.

What of if I told you that no one ever saw God in the old testament not even Moses, that the Lord he communicated with was an Angel. Or for laughs, what if I told you that satan was never in heaven and did not fall down from heaven nor was he a choir master or music director. What if i told you that God din't not give the Israelite all the 613 laws but they were actually inventions of Moses with the aid of an angel??

I can go on on, but for us to have any fruitful discussion, I will prefer you listen to the materials at least if only the one I recommended, so as to give you a picture of what I believe. See, as much as God wants all men to be saved and is relying on us to make that happen, we're usually not perturbed by atheists because we see it has a waste of our precious time. I challenge any atheist who is so sure of his/her believe to get those materials, listen to them and then he can try and defend what he believes.

Now to your question, let me indulge you. The is only one simple reason why I'm so sure that Christianity is the only true and main religion, is not because many concepts of science that were clearly explained in the bible thousands of years before science caught up with it and confirmed them to be true (book of Job a classical example), nor is because the bible was written over 4 thousand years by different authors who never knew themselves, but spoke and prophesied accurately the same things and also things that were to happen hundreds of years after they were gone. No it not because the life and actions of Christ were prophesied hundreds of years before he was born even up to the words he spoke,no book could be that accurate, to the extend that 4 whole books (Mathew to John) dedicated to document and bear witness that this actually happen. Nor is it because there are plethora of evidence confirmed by historians and archaeologists of the existence of places, people and events that were exclusively mentioned in the Holy Book, No all this things although they count but are not the really evidence, the only one reason why I am so sure I didn't make a mistake is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in me, which Jesus promised to give to all those who believe in His name and work upon His Resurrection!

My dear, that is the only reason why I know I can never make a mistake. Have you met the Holy Ghost, if you eventually do, then you will understand my confidence in this matter.

Shalom

joseph1013:


I have been to better sites than the one you just referred me to. I love a good debate. Can you tell us what you have against the post you quoted?

NB: This dude sent me to a funny website where they ask for payment via an online transaction. LOL

Haba! Be truthful, the content of the website is totally free and thousands all over the world have been downloading materials from the website free of charge (you can check up on the statistics of the website). The payment platform was requested by folks that have benefited from the website and specially ask for an opportunity to give back. Go and check, every material on that website can be downloaded without paying a dime. I think you should double check things before you post it on a public forum.

Did you download any of the material I referred you to? The thing I've against your post is that it is born from a mind that have no knowledge of who God is. It is due to a lack of or a seriously skewed knowledge about the personality of God.

I'm sorry I'll not engage you in any debate because our knowledge of the subject matter is totally opposite and too far apart hence the debate will not be fruitful. It's like for instance asking you who has a PhD in Quantum Physics coming to debate with me a diploma holder in music on the subject of life. It is going to an uneventful and unproductive debate.

Remember I said you knowledge about God is seriously lacking or very skewed! Let me give you a snippet of what I'm talking about, it is from one on the teaching I referred you to, The Law in Genesis Series 2 track 3. Please I beg of you listen, be patient and afterward lets talk.
I tried uploading the track but it's large, is there a way I can email it to you?

Shalom

joseph1013:
QUESTION 4 (COMPULSORY) (20 marks)

God is hidden because:

1) He loves us so much that he wants to be sure we love him too. Despite knowing everything, he can only be sure we love him by making people earnestly seek him. The unfortunate side-effect of this is that billions of people he dearly loves will not manage to find him and will have to be punished by being roasted in fire for ever. He truly believes this is a price worth paying to be sure of something he knows anyway. Remember, whatever happens, God loves you.

OR

2) He does not exist.

Can you please stop this ignorant posts already! Writing so confidently about a God you know nothing about. At least get the right knowledge about the God first, rather than wasting many years posting irrelevant questions and jibes based on rumors you've heard about God.
Go to www.livingwordmedia.org and get the requisite knowledge, the teachings are free to download.

HitlerGaddafi:


http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/questions_for_god.html

The questions has been answered a while ago, you don't just know where to look!

Try www.livingwordmedia.org for free downloads to the answers you seek.

Start with the following title: The Law in Genesis 1 - 5, Investigating the wrath of God, Understanding the old and new covenant in Christ, Understanding the Law & the Prophets Series 1 & 2, then go for So Great a Salvation series 1 - 5. You will surely get all the answer you seek.

gistsstack:

what's important is the question not the answer. no answer can put an end to biblical inquiry, since every answer turns out to be a new question.
When some people ask critical question about the bible or God's existence, such people are seen by most Christians as agnostic or atheist.
How can Majid say that biblical "writings are compatible, in agreement, in one accord, related, consistent, orderly and harmonious.” when there are so many contradictions and inconsistencies.
Read Proverbs 25:21 against Luke 10:19
Leviticus 27:30 against Deuteronomy 14:24

There are no contradictions in the bible, rather men had a progressive revelation knowledge about God. Only Jesus gave a full description of who God is, the old testament folks knew little on nothing about God, hence only wrote what they knew. It can be akin to a white child or someone who leave abroad in well developed countries to still think that in Africans live on trees. It's may not be the child's fault, but that is what they were brought to know and believe.

I can tell you categorically, that over 95% of what you think you know about God is absolutely wrong and I can tell you that 90% of the church are in that same dilemma. Imagine after over 20 years following Christ, even till this year, I'm just getting to know more about God and correcting the wrong impression I've had and held on to for years! for example many cannot just come to terms that God cannot and has never killed anyone, God is incapable of doing evil, James 1:1, 1 John 1:1-5.

But thank God for the internet and we don't have to be ignorant anymore, so sir I beg of you, kindly go to this page www.livingwordmedia.org and download teachings that carefully and painstakingly explain all this. You can start with (a) The Law in Genesis (Series 1 - 5), (b) Investigating the Wrath of God, (c) Understanding the Law and the Prophets 1 & 2. I believe if you're patients enough to change your perspective about God.

Please, anyone who is an atheist, agnostic or whatever that needs answers to sincere question that has proven too difficult for the church to answer will find all he/she needs in the website www.livingworldmedia.org. The Revelation of Christ is taking over the world!

dalaman:


No, the question exposes you and the fraud you have been claiming all along. If you truly know that your God exist and you communicate with it as you claim you should be able to give us specific answers to simple questions. When did your God create the universe? You just claimed that you can not know anything with agnosticism and that it is not the right path to follow. What can you know with your own religion? Communicate with your God already and tell us when exactly he created the universe. I know you'll prefer to talk about nonsense drivel instead of answering direct questions that will expose you and the fact that you know nothing about anything.

Simple answer is the earth was created in eternity! time like the universe was created! And time also has it's own life span.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (NKJV)
Time was not created until verse 14. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Please visit www.livingwordmedia.org and get all your questions answered.

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while many Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

If you're truly ready to know and want to be 100% sure that your decision(s) are not based on emotions or mere human reasoning, then go to this site www.livingwordmedia.org, and download free materials on any question you may have ever had about God or Christianity. I can assure that if you're patient and have an open mind, your questions will be fully and thoroughly answered and explained.
The reason why I've was once again picked up interest in topics like this, where a once supposedly "Christian" who is now atheist or on the verge of becoming one is because of what my Pastor has been saying recently, "that sometimes it is understandable for atheists and others to doubt the existence of a God they NEVER knew!" You can start with "The Wrath of God", can God actually do evil? Was He the one that really responsible for all the evil acts recorded in the old testament Knowledge is key!

RabbaRabbi:
It's really hard to keep the thoughts of hell. Neither does that make it less or non-existing.

Even some so called churches are gradually wiping off the thoughts of hell from the mind of the members in the name of not getting them scared. Hell is also a piece of work which the bible highlighted on mostly.

Why does hell exist? And where?

I know you want some answers to questions that have been bothering you. Then am here for that.

Ask me your questions(based on hell: why, where and for what)

For the love of God, you don't know what hell is. There is no fire in hell, stop confusing hell and lake of fire. Please do a little study on hell and become enlighten. You start from this verse Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

FreshGreen:
WHY MANY CHRISTIANS WILL MISS THE RAPTURE!
“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Luke 13:24

Since Rapture will not happen twice, but once, wise Christians will do more to focus and strive to be counted worthy. Why will many miss the rapture even after they are born again and serving God? Here are 7 common reasons in which any of them can hold back a Born again Christian:

(1) UNDONE RESTITUTION Acts 24:16
After you are genuinely saved, there may be some wrongs of the past that need to be corrected in your present new life in Jesus. Restitution includes restoring things wrongly acquired, revealing lies and deceptions and reconciling with people we offended, and also forgiving with all our hearts people who offended us, no matter how terrible. Forgiveness from the heart is part of restitution and many Christians, ministers of God will miss rapture and heaven just because of un-forgiveness and bitterness. Matthew 6:14, 15.

UNPAID & INESSENTIAL DEBT, when you have the power to pay but postponing or does not want to pay, this can hinder Christians from being raptured or entering heaven. And a serious minded Christian will be wary of unnecessary debts of buying inessential stuffs in credit.

(2) JUST A LITTLE SIN Galatians 5:9
Many will miss rapture and entrance to heaven not because they are not born again and serving God, not because they are committing serious sins, but just because of a little, besetting sin, just little but too heavy to hold people down from making rapture. Can you imagine that wearing tight clothes, tops that show a woman's cleavage or transparent clothes would hinder so many godly sisters from making the rapture? When the Holy Spirit calls your attention to the little sin, you excuse yourself that it doesn’t matter, everybody is doing it or it is your own weakness since everybody has a weakness. It may be little anger, envy, jealousy, even in the work of God. Little, little lies, using people’s or your office’s materials for your personal purpose without taking permission. You think it doesn’t matter? It does. Let’s repent NOW. Common sins will commonly hinder common Christians and ministers back.

(3) LITTLE WORLDLINESS 1 John 2:16
Little worldliness will hinder so many Christians from making the rapture. This little worldliness does not matter to many Christians and churches today. The worldly music which you call normal, worldly movies, magazines (fashion, entertainment or pornography), TV programs inspired by Satan (American Idol, African Idols, Big Brother Africa, MTN Project Fame, Gulder Ultimate Search, Dance shows, African magic, animated cartoon, etc. ) Also worldly dress (wearing tops, blouses that show the trace of your breasts as a woman or that reveals your back, tight, transparent or shot dress) Many Christian women are tapped by Satan with worldly dress unknowingly but they will know after the rapture. Those who have died have gotten to know already but too late.

(4) OVER CONFIDENCE 1 Corinthians 10:12
Over-confidence will hinder many believers from entering heaven. You see the shortcoming of others without seeing yours, without daily searching your life with the Word of God and prayer for forgiveness and daily sanctification. This category of people believe they can never make mistake after they are saved, they believe they are once and entirely sanctified and no need for daily prayer for cleansing and sanctification, they are bound in bountiful hypocrisy which is one of the most terrible sins- hypocrisy. Believing that you can’t make mistake after you are saved is a serious mistake. Tenderness and watchfulness serve better.

(5) UNCONFESSED SIN 1 Timothy 5:24
Unconfessed sin remains a secret sin. You did something wrong and you realize it and confessed to God but concealed it from people, you refuse to confess to necessary partners or people even after the Holy Spirit has ministered to you to expose it, you are listening to the wrong preachers and your wrong motive and defending yourself that you have confessed to God so that should settle it. This will block many ears from hearing the sound of the Trumpet of rapture. Please, you must confess to one another, James 5:16, as the case may be, why will you miss rapture just because of this little shortcoming?

(6) LITTLE COMPROMISE 1 Corinthians 5:6
Little compromise at workplace, in your business, to get contract, job or promotion; little compromise to get your documents and papers - being smart. Little compromise in examination hall, in marital relationship or in your tithes and offerings; these little, little, overlooked stuffs will hold and hinder many Believers and Ministers from making heaven. If you are careful, the compromise of your society, of your church and idolized Pastors will not infect and affect you.

(7) LACK OF LOVE 1 John 4:8
Do you think it’s possible to make heaven without love? And does your life shows the love of Christ? Please read 1 Corinthians 13:1-8. Most churches and Christians lack love. Love is kindness and expresses goodness to all men, especially brethren, it helps and shares. The syndrome of “sowing” into the lives of big pastors, the several church projects and personal projects have blinded many Christians from loving and helping people around them.

Purity without love is hypocrisy, love without purity is lust, but real purity means PURE LOVE. Christian life without love is hypocrisy.

Please, we should all search our lives with the light of God’s Word, let’s repent now and confess and correct everything as the Holy Spirit calls our attention. Irrespective of our spiritual attainments and positions, God is not a respecter of any man. As long you still see yourself as a little child in God’s hand, you must be humble and careful enough to look into your life. Let’s ask God to sanctify us, and let’s also be more watchful from now, be more vigilant and prayerful everyday as we ask for God’s grace and mercy to be counted worthy, we all need these, we are all striving and no man is a superman, until we get to heaven. May God help us and see us through to the end in Jesus name.

Rapture will happen once and any time from now. If you want to rededicate your life to Jesus or need further counsel on any of these points, please feel free to contact the address below. That we are still alive now, is a great privilege, let’s make use of it NOW!

1 Peter 4:7,“But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.”

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Please stop spreading ignorance and falsehood, No Christian will ever miss heaven, simply because none of the things you mentioned up there can ever be more potent, precious or pricey like what was paid for that man, which is the blood of Jesus Christ. For a believer to go to hell, then you most ransom him with something greater than the blood of Christ.

Take a trip to www.livingwordmedia.org, and download from it free materials that will enlighten you.
God is Good, He has always been Good and doesn't have the ability or capability to do otherwise. I call you Blessed

Davidblen:

Thanks For The Website But The Verse U Put Says 'To Preach The Gospel' But We Are Talking About Salvation

Emphasis, if baptism was as important as some as made out to be here, why the apostle say Christ did not send him to baptize? and don't forget, baptism was one of the major reason there was division in the Corinth church (this was not just a congregation, but all the churches in the Corinth state) and Paul in addressing that said Jesus did send him to baptize, but to preach, a man can only be saved or have salvation when he hears and believe the gospel! anything else is a false conversion.

Davidblen:
The Bible Says In Ephesians 1:7 That
" In Whom We Have Redemption Through His Blood, The Forgiveness Of Sins, According To Riches Of His Grace"
But Today Many Churches Have Adopted The Style Of Baptism For Salvation.It Is Either By Baptism By Water Or Baptism By Mansion (purification) But Christ Died For Our Sins On The Cross Of Calvary For Our Santification. To Me The Baptism Is Not Neccesary
Anybody Should Comment His/her Opinion

It's not always good to have half truths or not to be knowledgeable about things concerning the faith. So of rely on hearsay or half truths, if you're truly interested in knowing about Baptism, please go to web address www.livingworldmedia.org and download the message "Baptism and the Communion table", it is free of charge, it will tell you all you need to know and much more.

And for the records, Jesus Christ NEVER baptized anyone with WATER and did not ask anyone to!
"1Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect".

Get answers to all your questions and more from messages http://livingwordmedia.org/

Truly God will never leaves His people without a witness, He is faithful.

Gpdwise:
I have been trying for the past three (3) hours now to explain the concept of God to my six year old half brother. who recently just returned from the states. I tried reading using the bible and he asked me the most difficult but simple question. Big brother where did God come from if you said there was nothing in world!! I dropped the bible immediately.

I tried using nature to explain that the beautiful flowers, birds and sea were created by God. Then he asked me who created God because mama bird and papa bird will have junior bird and for the flowers I need to plant its seed for them to grow.. so big brother who is papa God

I very sorry for your current predicament, guess the trip did him more harm than good. But not despair just visit this link http://livingwordmedia.org/ you will find messages that will answer every and any questions you ever had.

And by the way it's completely free.

Take care

Pastor Chris Onayinka Olusegun says

Ministering to the Lord is walking with Him
In prayer you ask,in ministering to the Lord
We wait on Him
In these we spend time to fellowship Him
Giving thanks is practicing this
We aren't talking about us or our challenges or desires
We bow our knees
We lift our hands
Our faces on the floor
In total awe of our Father who is God
In His Son,here we are....
1thess5:18 says this is the will of God in Christ Jesus!
We sing in tongues and the understanding
This isn't singing after a song playing
It's YOU "alone with God"
Oftentimes, we behold Him newly
Encounters with the Godkind happen
Words drop into our hearts,His words
Wisdom,direction
In those times we are enveloped in the awesome truth about His ever abiding glory
Those times must be cherished and practised
Find such times often,daily
Walking with God!
Have a blessed day today
I call you blessed
Jesus is Lord, we win!

Pastor Chris Onayinka Olusegun says

Works will be pioneered
Pioneers receive fresh impartation
Believers enter into more ministry
Power gifts unleashed in rampaging fashion into the Earth ,.
The Word taught ,Angels learning ,The Father Glorified in His Son..
Hearts bowed at JESUS..
Charis Campmeeting 2016
Tomorrow till Monday
Indoor Sports Hall
UNILAG
Don't wait to be told
It's better " felt than telt "
Bring a friend along
Come

Pastor Chris Onayinka Olusegun Prophesy
To ALL churches and Ministries focused on revelation knowledge( Christ Centred teaching )
This is a MOMENT For EXPANSION
Sieze it
Stretch your cords
INCREASE in numbers is here
Your influence is multiplying
Within a year from now the least you will see is a double
Receive it!
Never talk low
Magnify your call
Speak well of the grace upon your life
Not in pride but in glory to God
Step into a room and shout continually with laughter and rejoicing
So mightily grows the Word (mention your city and country)
And it's prevailing!
From your pulpit till the ends of the earth!
You are Blessed!

Pastor Chris Onayinka Olusegun says
Don't Say Easter...
Say ..CHARIS CAMPMEETING
All things freely received ..
Men filled with the Spirit
Nations reached
Bodies healed
Rain
Fire
Lightning
Glory glory glory ..
Ministries birthed ..
Nigeria will never remain the same again ,and many more nations
March 24-28
Indoor sports hall
UNILAG
For more information visit www.chariscampmeeting.org
Bring a friend along
Come

Charis Campmeeting- Livingwordmedia update
All Saints Community Church teachings 2013-2016 will be available for free downloads during the Campmeeting at the Living word media stands
This includes 2016 teachings
Greater Works (1-10)
Who really are we ?-Father and His Family (1-5)
So Great Salvation 5a(1-11)
Faith and Healing (1-7)
What to do to do the Word
Why we hold Christian meetings (1&2)
A brochure of all available teaching will also be available
Also there shall be free distribution of our books
THIS GOSPEL
TONGUES
NEW COVENANT REALITIES
( these will also be available for free download in E book format )
Also,
We shall be relaunching our free mobile app for both Android and IOS platforms
And a new and more user friendly website for LivingWord media.
Our passion remains to Make the Word Available to every world and the whole world .
It's an experience of a life time at Charis Campmeeting 2016
The Word and Spirit say..Come

Five Days
Encounters
Signs and Wonders and diverse miracles and gifts of the Holyghost
Christ beheld by all,exalted
The believer in Him seen..
Ministries birthed ,transfigured and sent ..
It's Charis Campmeeting 2016
For ,Christ,you and I...
March 24-28
UNILAG Sports Center
Tell a friend ..
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Have you ever witnessed an Holy Ghost meeting?
Do you know how to laugh in the Holy Ghost and rejoice in the spirit?
Do you know about singing in tongues and speaking forth the interpretation?
Have you ever been intimate with the Holy Spirit?
Do you know about Prophecy, word of Knowledge and wisdom?
Please join us at Charis Camp meeting 2016 for great demonstrations of the Spirit and the power of the gospel
Morning and after sessions will be more of teaching meetings while the evening sessions will be Holy Ghost meetings.
It promises to be a meeting that will impact lives forever.

Join us at Indoor Sports HALL of the University of Lagos. 24th to 29th March, 2016.

Richirich713:


Lol#

I give you a verse where Jesus is speaking in third person, you still tell me he isn't.

Thank you Richrich713, but I Think I've a little time for him today. Pls DeathStroke007 Kindly explain the verses below

Luk 24:13-27 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 141417 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 141517 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 141617 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 141717 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 141817 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 141917 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 142017 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 142117 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 142217 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 142317 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 142417 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 142517 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 142617 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 142717 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Are you a Christian?
Do you love our Lord Jesus Christ?
Are you interested in Christ’s mandate as written Matt 28:19 & 20
Are you passionate for the Souls of Men?
Is your desire to see the gospel preached in all the world?
Do you want Nations to receive Christ!
Are you willing to be part of the End-time Army
that will take the gospel of Christ Jesus to the ends of the earth!
For the bible has said
“Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come”.
If yes!
Then this is a meeting you must Not miss!
This Easter, It’s Charis Camp meeting 2016
24th – 28th March, 2016
@ The Indoor Sport Hall, University of Lagos.
Thursday 24th: 6:30pm (Opening session)
Friday – Sunday: 7am, 1pm & 6pm (3 sessions)
Monday 28th: 7:30am (Closing Session)
Be There!!!
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