Iruolycious: How did dey die spiritually? Did d Bible tell u that? God said d day dey ate from the tree they would die. He wasn't talking spiritually but physically. Remember that a day 2 God is 1000 years. Both Adam and Eve died b4 1000 years so they died on that same same day physically!

He first died spiritually (separation) which eventually led to his physical death, read Romans 6,7 & 8, and Ephesian 2:1 you who had he quickened who were dead in trespasses and sins

FOLYKAZE:

You still dont show me what tree of life is in that context. All I see is that it mentioned tree of life

@folkaze I admire ur openness even if ur not a xtian, the tree of figurative for Christ, just as him being the bread of life, the vine, the way, the word and wisdom, this is another quotation but buttress my point earlier of him being the wisdom in Proverbs; 1Co 1:3 KJV But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: You will see this all over the scriptures, that's why its only by the HS we can get a complete understanding of the scriptures.

esere826:

I guess we are all aware that a scripture (both in xtianity and other religions) can be intepreted in multiple ways
it is very common for aderents to claim that their understanding is what the scripturs says
Thats why islamic extremists believe/think/know that they are doing the will of their God

for example, you've asked if the tree and snake were physical or literal
And you really expect me to give an answer with finality without any scientific or logical reasoning?

....umh
You could start by answering if God is a man? (pls dont tell me that 'he' is a spirit ooo. Let's go beyond that. Use the scripture to tell me if 'he' is also a man and/or woman?)

Are you a Christian?! pls let me know. Look the bible is not a scientific material or paper and it clearly states it is not a logical book, so pls stop trying to reason it out scientifically or logically. You question about God is totally misguided because the clearly tells us who God is: Joh 4:24 KJV God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

FOLYKAZE:

Correct me if im. Not telling me im wrong without providing reason why

There are a lot of scriptures and I believe some I've already been quoted. But let me add some Rev 2:7 KJV He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. And also Rev 22.
Joh 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
But talking s deeper look at your post you're kind of right, because the wisdom in Proverbs were referring to Christ. Mat 12:42 KJV The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

FOLYKAZE: Many christians are been played in churches and only few took time to read bible on their own. To understand the term called tree of life, we need to take a step forward unto another verses in bible for us to understand what specifically it speaking about instead of building our tales from pastor on it.



Proverbs 4:5-9
King James Version (KJV)
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

We should understand here that wisdom and understanding is referred to as she....little further

Proverbs 3:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 4:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

Proverbs 4:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

There is no any tree anywhere or any Jesus that is tree. The tree of life is wisdom that giveth life, health and happiness. You find wisdom and other things shall be added unto you. It not in afterlife....stop making pastor feed on your ignorance.

Sorry but u're so so wrong! The tree of life is simply Christ Jesus.

It's what I or what we think, it's always has to be what the scriptures says it is. Let ask you this question, was a physical tree, fruit or a literal serpent?

Sorry but u're wrong, that's not what we're created to do.

What is this obsession with Genesis; today if its not the type of fruit, then its the tree or location?! Why are atheists n the likes so obsess with the bible. You guys say it's not real n illogical why not leave it alone. I see so many posts from them asking questions n giving their own opinions, I general just look at them and laugh, I rather allow them continue in their ignorance than waste my time.
@Op don't know if ur a xtian, but let me give u this advise leave it alone, the early part of genesis is one of the most mysterious aspects of the scriptures, even believers of many years cannot fully understand it. But let me say this, in the churches where they give attention to the Teaching of The Word, it has been fully explained n don't expect such people to come here n divulge such great mystery in a place where God's name is been mocked! the little I can help u is this the Garden of Eden is not a location, so stop searching for it.
By the way @FOLK just read ur thread on the Tree of life n u're so so wrong, the tree of life is simply Christ Jesus.

Caracta:

Can you share such experiences with us? Never had a physical one. Looking forward to it though. I would probably freak out and remain in shock for days or weeks.

Were you scared? Goose bumps?

It's actually very enjoyable. Too many to recount, I remember one time we went for conference in badagry after some days went for in groups evangelism, ur say an old woman who was blind, then a sister just a sister just layyed hands on her I she began to see immediately without much prayer and we moved on as if nothing happened. Have ever heard of Laughing in the Spirit!

@OP congrats on ur experience. As poster earlier said, you left the important stuff out. Guess the atheists will keep dis-believing while we continue to enjoy the super natural.
NB to any who want to quote me and say trash, I've witnessed and displayed the supernatural so many times no amount of talk or abuse can change that!

luluosas:
What is scripture then? And what stops you from quoting where Angels were the ones that gave Moses the law and not God as you claimed?

Ok, before I start let me tell in the epistles we see the explanations of the OT. The following scriptures validate what I said earlier:
Stephen's testimony Act 7:51-53 KJV 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Gal 3:19 KJV Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Heb 2:2 KJV For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; That's throughout the giving of the law in exodus, leviticus, numbers n deutronomy you will never hear or see Moses write and the Spirit of God came upon or will you see the Holy Spirit mentioned there. Interesting enough the Spirit of Christ was there with them but allowed the Angels to give the law 1Co 10:1-4 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

nwuyag:
thanks for your advice.
I did not mention that I have gotten explanation to that passage before, I have even explained it to someone before. but lie I said, a lot of we christians can't follow that one. even if you dony sell all your propertie, u are not supposed to be rich. I know the real answer to that passage, I believe you also know it deep down. I also know what you will want to tell me. its not like I have not heard it before.
What if what you want to tell me is wrong?. I am stil open to your reply. Another thing is that don't you also feel mischiiveous before God when you go out searching for what else the passage meant so as for it not to mean what was actually said just because it talked about money??. I believe that you ve read the story of lazarus or when jesus talked about adulterry or when he talked about murrder, and you know wht it meant straight away?, then why do you have or any one have to look for another meaning to tht passage all because it talked about money??. or is it not possible to sell all you have or at least, almost all you have(i believe you know thatIt wasn't a parable). As a catholic before, I learnt about st franciss of assissi who did that, so twisting it or looking for a way for it to suit oneself sounds like mischiief.

The scriptures are not subject to any private interpretations, u must understand what the scriptures was saying there, its not because its about riches that's why I try and bring another meaning to it, no its just that u interpreting that passage wrongly. Lets look at that scriptures again n I'll ask u another question Mat 19:16-24]] NET 16 Now someone came up to him and said, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to gain eternal life?” 17 He said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he asked. Jesus replied, “Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, “I have wholeheartedly obeyed all these laws. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 But when the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he was very rich. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven! 24 Again I say, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter into the kingdom of God.” now my question is in vs 21, now why didn't Jesus tell him that he will get the eternal life after he finished selling all he had n giving to the poor but rather that he come follow him? Eagerly expecting ur reply.

Let me buttress on what @goshen was saying in Exodus 19 about the Israelites rejecting God's covenant of Grace n embracing the law: Exo 19:5-6 NET And now, if you will diligently listen to me and keep my covenant, then you will be my special possession out of all the nations, for all the earth is mine, 6 and you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you will speak to the Israelites.” this what God wanted, but the people rejected it and rather said that Moses n Aaron should be their mediator after the encounter of God coming down in a smoking clouds. Now Apostle Peter understood this desire of God and after the finished work of Christ, he re-echoed God's mind in 1Pe 2:9-10 NET But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may proclaim the virtues of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. You once were not a people, but now you are God’s people. You were shown no mercy, but now you have received mercy. He lighted straight from Exodus 19:5&6 quoted above.

luluosas:
May God forgive your ignorance in Jesus name. Amen.
2 Timothy 3:16 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

Exodus 31:18 NLT
When the LORD finished speaking with Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two stone tablets inscribed with the terms of the covenant, written by the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10 NLT
The LORD gave me the two tablets
on which God had written with his own finger all the words he had spoken to you from the heart of the fire when you were assembled at the mountain.

Sorry Bro u're the ignorant one here. The 2 Tim u quoted said all scriptures not all LAWS! and d other scriptures where all from the old testament. Pls rather than call me ignorant u would have ask me to substantiate my opinion from the scriptures. The scriptures is profitable for teaching, correction n reprove.

@OP good one. I think I'll just contribute here, but I'm going in deep!
The question of the old & new covenants have always bin very confusing n complicated to many xtians, but a diligent study should clarify it. Let say this, the old convenant was an erratic shadow of who God is, that was handed down to the Israelites! It was so bad that it was not inspired of the Holy Ghost, but God had to ordained in the hands of an Angel. Yes for those of you who don't know, it was an Angel that gave Moses the law (u can imagine not even the HS) and u trying to compare that with a convenant that was rectified using the precious blood of Christ!

To buttress my point on the rich man & Jesus, where else in the bible is it written that u most sell all u have b4 believing & receiving salvation? don't bother quoting Acts 3&4 because those folks only sold after they believed. That would have told u there's something missing in that passage. So do u really want to know?

@Op I really feel ur pain, and I admire ur courage. but I must tell u dat deep inside, the only answer to the yearning is Christ. God created u for a special purpose, the devil is only trying to mess with ur mind.
Now let me say this, the seeming confusion u have with d bible is about the say most atheists who were once xtians had but no one to explain tins to them hence the conclude God doesn't exist! Look this things can perfectly explain 2 u, only u've bin going to the wrong source. I see many threads atheists and the like create on this forum n its based on pure ignorance, but I always leave them in their folly because they're not ready to learn.
Pls be careful the reply u read in this forum, because not all men have faith. I can clearly explain things to u but not on this forum, for instance the issue of Jesus and the rich man, u got it totally and completely wrong, sorry if dat hurts but its the simple truth, u got it wrong. I can explain to u, but privately, probably via Whatsapp. Let me know if ur interested. Shalom

Congrats I'm happy for you for taking a step to at least wanting to know God, but I advise to you go all out for him, because He waiting for you! why not spend time getting to know him, ask for understanding and do what Uyi Iredia is doing, read the bible for yourself, the truth remains that many xtians don't know the bible as much a they ought to, and you previous understand of God was base on ignorance. For instance it is wrong to attribute sickness and disease to God because He is not the one responsible.
Now that you have a new mind set, get to know God for yourself and I know there are folks here who can help u out, esp concerning the said contradiction. Wish u all the best. Shalom!

Ymodulus:
nobody is decieving anyone here.

I was part of the contributors on that thread. It is well known that christians are so quick to defend their religion stands. Why didnt they defend that one?

Or are u trying to hide under the cloadk of sincerity of reasons?

If you actually followed that thread u would have understood what I'm saying. Even after giving my reservations about the purpose of the thread, I still went ahead to clarify 5 of those assumed contradictions just to show them I could and what ws the reply? the issues I raised earlier reared its ugly head again. I personally took a request of a xtian to clarify John the Baptist & Elijah, @ray said it didn't count because it was a xtian that made the request. Ok I said bring up the one of Saul's death, since much comments had been made on that issue. I gave a detailed explanation and clarification, which he admitted initially to be ok and gave me one more tests for me to prove that I was familiar with the scriptures, which I also did in detail, but what did I see, he waves it off and said its illusion and illogical, for God sake u are asking questions about an illogical book! And now he comes here to say xtians ran away, is that not deceit. Anybody that cares to know who is telling the truth can go to the thread its all there.

I think its time u close this thread @OP! Thank you for your opinion which u are entitled to but concerning the Bible its illogical for to tell me what u believe is right or I'm wrong because the same book clearly states it foolishness to unbelievers, so u can give ur opinion but u can't assert it because logically it will be wrong.
As I've said it in other threads, you atheists or unbelieving ones should stop trying to explain the bible to or more than the xtians it is ILLOGICAL!

Debeloved87: in that case i believe that u'v never read isaiah 14 or ezekiel 28

No those passages actually prove what I'm saying, u just need spiritual insight to understand, but let point out something to u, lucifer was created a cherub that is an angel, and angels are serving spirit not dominion spirit Heb 1:14.

plaetton:

Am very glad that you are conceding defeat by admitting that religious issues are not based on rational reasoning, but by irrational faith.

I salute you for that.

Once in a while, truth does come out.

You call that defeat haha, the Bible was never based on logic but faith. We are not competing with logic, just thought I should make that clarification. The summary is this, if u us a question and we give an answer, do reply and say it is illogical simple

Mr Troll: we don't just dismiss it. We show you why and give reasons, not so? Even at that, posterity requires that you explain your position properly so that whoever sees this thread in future will know that you did a good job.

Help your fellow christians bros, their hand is being 'falled' here o

No you simply say its illogical, an illusion. Go back and read the thread u will see. Yes its not suppose to be logical

Mr Troll: Its simple really. They were religious, they are not anymore. They want to show the religious people how ridiculous their beliefs are. While they don't believe god exists, they know people that believe he does so they want to educate them on their ignorance. Is it still hard for you to understand now?

Ok then don't use or quote the bible, because logically u can't understand it. I not against u asking question or trying to point out errors but don't try to prove you know the Bible more than the believers. Imagine an atheist starting a thread on " I don't think this is what your bible say", who made u an authority on that issue? as far as the book is concern it is foolishness to u. You say we're ignorant and u want to educate us, ok no problem use u science, logic or what else u feel ok, but don't use the Bible.

Ray McBlue: It's a typical behavioural pattern. Christians customary avoid topics their Christian brain couldn't deal with. Their excuses are always the same.

-It's not sincere,

-it's a calculated move to undermine Christianity,

-it's bullying, etc

The bible which is the core of their Jewish religion, is so inconsistent in its complexities that it left them with insufficient ammunition to defend and justify their belief.

Whenever you hear "Seek Jesus in your life" and such crap, know that it's a stalling tactics. A tactics they have perfected to dodge certain questions that they are unable to give clarification to.

I myself, created a topic questioning the credibility of their precious Holy bible sometime last week, and up till the present, only 2 or 3 Christians ever showed up, and they took to their heels when they were unable to successfully refute any of the contradictions that I posted. The rest didn't even bother to try.

That incident sent a loud message:

Christianity is a fraud

Stop deceiving people, you didn't create the thread to learn or get answers that's the reason xtians avoided the thread.

striktlymi: Is Christianity a religion??

As a definition to the world Christianity is a religion, but that's not what the thread is about. I just came to the same realization as the OP, this guys say they don't believe in God but say the know and can explain the bible more than believers and argue it aggressively. Now how does that add up.

Mr Troll: Lol. Its simple really. If you that supposedly has the spirit understands it, why not explain it to us heathens?

When we do u simply dismiss has u guys have done severally on this thread, so what else do u want

This is a very interesting topic both school of thoughts are wrong. The truth is many don't know how lucifer came into being. Let give a very abridged version. Lucifer was not created in heaven, neither was he cast down before the fall. He went into heaven when he collected the authority of man, but has the bible records in the book of revelation "that there was no more room again for Satan and was cast down", it happened after the resurrection and assertion of Christ Jesus when Christ collected back the authority that Adam gave to satan. That's also why in the same revelation the bible said woe unto the inhabitants of earth for the devil is cast down unto u and he knows his time is short, for Adam authority on the earth was a lease for a period of time. That's the devil is the god of this world.

@Plaetton for God's sake the bible is not a logical book, its never bin a logical book and will never be. We learn and receive from it by faith, stop telling us to explain it logically.

Mr Troll: lol. Save some pride. Bye!

You know its very funny and absurd that people who don't believe that God exist will still come to a public forum and argue that they know more about what the presume fairy God wrote, more than the people the fairy God said have the ability to understand. Using ur logic what do u make of this, The writer said its his Spirit is needed to understand what he has written, dats it will be foolishness to those who don't believe in him, but the same guys come along and strongly assert they know more about the same book than those the book supposedly said should be custodians of the knowledge. Hmm really thinking what sort of logical explanation to give to this ***thinking***

You guys are very funny, I'm out. It would have been very interesting and fun debunking and clarifying all the above contradictions but alas u guys did not start the thread for purpose of getting answers or learning. For records I can clarify all the above contradictions very easily. Take care

takeprofit:

Thanks for ur contributions, if not some pple wld be more confused. the matter has bcome simplified. i have more difficult questions to understand here.
https://www.nairaland.com/1435868/bible-babble-contradictions-holy-bible

If u're a xtian don't bother about the above, those guys are not ready for answers. Go through the thread u will see what i'm talking about. Shallow