Just smiling to myself, knew it won't take long any more, not surprised at all no not one bit surprised.

macof:

Good for u to claim the bold. The Bible is a whole load of fairy tale

Guess you miss the part about been ACCUSED OF . Meaning the next time an unbeliever accuses a xtian of believing in fairy tales and sky daddy, I'll just smile to my self knowing we're not the only ones who do.

FOLYKAZE:

And they received him in the days of pentecostal. Is paul a holy spirit?

Again a result of ignorance of scriptures, were expecting people to go to classes or session taught by the Holy Ghost? ?

macof: Noble fada u are still a baby in religion and don't understand ur Bible.

very funny, but at least I know it more than any atheist can ever claim to know it. If not anything thing I've achieved from my discuss with atheists is that I now we are not the only ones that believe in fairy tales and live in denials as we are most often accused of.

FOLYKAZE:

I dont believe in the bible, I have knowledge about what is in there. Lets assume you want to argue about drinking alcohol, writings of paul is what I like use most. Lol. So arguing that I choose here do not work cuz since Jesus is the messiah as agreed, we should hear from him directly and not paul who corrupt his words. Cheers man

That's where you're wrong, Christ actually pointed to Paul, actually to the apostles but they could not get over Judaism on time so Paul was chosen John 16:7-8 NKJV
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. [8] And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Look I choose to let you live on what you because it can't change the truth.

^^^ I give up, and to imagine that we xtians are called delusional. Tell me how u can seem explain the bible so well and still say some are false and choose to believe what you want. I just give up.

@folykaze thanks for the attempt, but the bible is a whole book, you cannot pick the ones you like and call the rest forgery, nope the bible taking as a whole explains it self. As for the Greek issue you and I both know that when the NT was written the common language was Greek, it meant the rest of mankind but again at least it shows that salvation was not only to the Jews.
Which now brings to the most important of all the issue raised, Paul. Paul is still the most notable and quoted of all apostles because he followed and delivered the promise of Christ Jesus, those ur contradictions are just child's play and I might take it up to show ur ignorance of scriptures.

@ folykaze Ok since you're very good at explaining, kindly explain the following scriptures:
1. From the John 3:16, you forgot the " whosoever believe"
2. Who are the all men referred here Joh 12:32 KJV And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
3. Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
4. Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
5. 1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
6. 1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
7. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
8. Mat 28:18-19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
9. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
There are still a few more but kindly start with this ones

FOLYKAZE:

lol....good good.

Show us what paul said that correlate with what Jesus said. I have shown you five contradictions that heavily corrupt Jesus teaching. I have shown you jesus prophecy charging you to stop following false teacher who deceive you with signs and wonders yet paul claimed to convince his people with signs and wonders. And you said I am unintelligent? Irony. Lol.

Show us in Jesus teaching that said Jesus died for whole human on earth. How is that hard for you?

You called that contradictions you guys are very funny. No matter how much amusing this is, it's still a waste of my time. Listen the signature for the Pauline epistles was is usage of words like " in him, by him, through whom, etc. Those phrases were absent in the book of Hebrews, which may made many scholars doubt if Paul wrote the book, and this is the same person you said taught contradictory to Christ? you can see why I'm laughing and smh. As for Jesus never died for everyone the must popular bible verse clarifies that or you want to tell me you don't know John 3:16. You guys should stop wasting my time

FOLYKAZE:

You got nothing to offer again. Lmao.... I don die.

Bring another thing apart from Paul. Jesus was the so-called messiah not paul. Lets hear from him. I killed paul over and over again. And you cant dash me praise? Ma do like lizard, if you dont praise me, I praise myself. Lol.

Just tell us you running away cuz truth is scary and I wont hold you back. Or else, refute my argument if you got better thang to offer.

As I said earlier, those ur post are too unintelligent to warrant a response from me, believe when I say ur post is mainly due to ur very limit knowledge of scriptures. But let me tell you this, no other Apostle wrote and reference Jesus Christ as much as apostle Paul did, in fact there is a trademark for Paul writtings that is absent in the book of Hebrews that is courting controversy about who author it, if you don't know google it and then come back let's continue.

FOLYKAZE:

Lol I dont like exposing baby christian like you. You should have allow your alpha man do that. And since you might take this as defeat, let me silent you.

Here are clear differences between Paul teaching and Jesus teaching.

- Paul says in:
Roman 14:9
For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:
Luke 20:38
Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;


- Paul says in I Corinthians 15:31
I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:
John 11:26
and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.


- Paul said in 1 Cor 4:15
For though you have countless leaders in Christ . . ..

Jesus says:
Matthew 23:10
Neither be called leaders, for you have one leader, the Christ.

Jesus never said anything about homosexuals, while Paul says they will not enter heaven. Jesus never said anything sexist against women, in fact he helped a prostitute from being stoned -- yet Paul was a sexist what he said in 1 Timothy 2:11.

Something I forgot to add. In this verse, Jesus said;
Matt.24:23-26. "At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christ´s and false prophets will appear and perform great SIGNS and MIRACLES to deceive even the elect - if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time." So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,'

While Paul:
2 Cor 12:12. When I was with you, I certainly gave you every proof that I am truly an apostle, sent to you by God himself. For I patiently did many SIGNS and wonders and MIRACLES among you.


Why won't Christians see this?

Paul is an obvious fraud.

If you call yourself a Christian, it seems that you should be following the teachings of Jesus, not Paul's fantasies about Jesus..... This is a #KOO


Did I tell you I have any prophecy about Jesus? Truthislight was lying and building great esigesis as truth. Is that what you want me to believe? More so, the prophecy he was quoting are pointing to military saviour and not Jesus. He quote where Jesus was a prince and Jesus wasn't a prince. Even the king name of his quote was contradicting the King of the time jesus was born.....meaning he is painting lie as truth.

And lastly you christian belief Jesus was the saviour and not paul. And I think I nailed paul with pure evidence from the bible. Can you quote where Jesus said he came to save the whole earth?

Honestly I won't waste my time any more, if what your wrote above is your prove then I am totally disappointed.

Ijele-igbo:


I don't need to read the thread because I understand what God says about tithe and offerings

Ok then there is no point discussing with you.

FOLYKAZE:

lol. Escapism 101

I asked a simple and you are here dancing around. What happen to 1 peter 3:15? Smh.

The prophesy didn't point to Jesus but a military ruler. I just cant help but laugh at your esigesis. Good job cheers

1Pe 3:15 KJV But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
So what prophecy are u talking about and how many prophecy about Christ do u know.
And I can see u clearly dodged the earlier issues I raised. Pls if you don't have evidence of how Paul's teaching was different from that of Jesus, kindly retract your earlier statement and stop confusing people. Thanks

FOLYKAZE:

so those I quote were not relevant huh? I debunked those verses you listed....read it again

Let me educate you a bit, Salvation originated from the Jews, the were the people God choose for this purpose, hence they were custodians for the history and prophecies. Thats why you read salvation first to the Jew and then to the gentile. So when Christ came he wanted to first of all prepare the Jews because they had an history and knew that Christ was coming, so he concentrated on them, trying to prepare them for what was coming, which of course was the main thing. But when he died and rose again he then defeated the devil and won salvation for all men and consequently gave the commandments in Matt 28 & Acts 1. Paul did the same thing when he went on his missionary journeys, he went to Jews first before going to the gentiles. The reason for your error is that your don't understand the dispensations that the bible was written in and by the way I'm still expecting prove of your earlier assertion that Jesus and Paul taught different things.

Ijele-igbo:



The word of God is the truth! If you want to know the truth about tithes and offerings, study the word!!
The lord says pay your tithes and offerings, fulfill your vows and offer thanksgiving unto him.... Call upon him in time of trouble and HE WILL ANSWER YOU!!! PRAISE THE LORD......

Pls did u read the thread at all, because if did, then you just contradicted urself.

FOLYKAZE:


Unfortunately for you bro....the Jew were expecting military messiah and not Jesus. Also you guys believe Jesus is the messiah, why are you not picking words from his mouth and you running to paul who do not have any contact with him? Only if you can prove to me that Jesus was the one the prophecy was speaking about. Jesus wasn't a military man. Next try

Now to the main reason why I joined this thread. As much I admire the tenacity and devotion some of you show in studying and contending with xtian beliefs and the amount of materials you read and quote, it however amazes me that after all this show of intelligence and knowledge, you guys missed a simple fact stearing you right in your face, the fact that majority of what happened and was written in the NT were taking from the OT! that Jesus life and ministry were predicted and extensively prophesied in the OT, in fact Jesus just came to live out what was already spoken and written about him.
That brings me to the issue of Paul, Paul never saw and heard Jesus preach, but was able to accurately teach and preach what Jesus preached that may unbelievers called brethren xtian. How was he able to achieve this?? simple he followed the foot steps of Jesus by going back to the OT and speaking mind of God has recorded in the scriptures. Paul quoted massively from the OT in all his epistles. That my friend is the truth. Shalom

FOLYKAZE:

christians with their cherry picking. Hmmm.

If your salvation is through Jesus. Lets hear what Jesus got to say to this issue.

Matthew 15:24
King James Version (KJV)

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6
King James Version (KJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Do you understand the bold? Lets see how you role with it

Pls stop confusing yourself, if you're ignorant about something ask and it will be properly explained to you. If you're not trying to distort facts, why not quote Mat 28:18-20 NET18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” or Acts 1:8-9.

FOLYKAZE: Christianity is a false tag. Paulianity is the best tag cuz all the doctrines in the church are contradictory to that of Jesus and based on paul teaching.

Please do you have prove to the assertion you made? Has for Christianity and Paulianity it simply show your little understanding of scriptures because it is clearly shown in Acts 11 that it is only after Paul taught the Antioch brethren that their life style reflected Christ's hence they were called Christians, Christ's followers, it is obvious that Paul preached and emphasized what Christ taught, there brethren were called Christians. So I ask to pls show prove for your statement.

Ijele-igbo:


I can't let the truth go away! I stand for the truth.... And the word of God is the truth!

You guys should let this tithe issue alone, I think its the most controversial issue on nl. You say you stand for the truth, then read the truth about tithing here www.nairaland.com/1480358/concerning-tithes-giving-etc-expose

I started this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1508449/what-going-nigeria-im-confused yesterday. Was feeling a little better this morning before I read the news of 1 NSCDC officer owning 61 houses and now this! I think we're in serious trouble in this country. I wrote TOEFl some years back and even supervised so of the exams, it very easy, to think people will cheat. They make the exams simple enough and have a lot of checks, but Nigerians are still breaching the system. I guess its a message the US is sending us as a whole, that has people we've failed and support corruption! I think this people monitor our media and social networks and have found that we do condone corruption. Please all the e-warriors, cyber special assistants and social network ethnic defenders pls kindly tone down on your activities a bit, not asking you to stop completely but tone it down a little, you're the ones causing the greatest harm to this country and the generation yet unborn. Please I'm really begging!

Are we Nigerians the real problem with this country Must everything be tribalized Another one this morning, a NSCDC officer caught with 61 houses, oh my God!
Guess there are check and balances in Nigeria. The Civil service, Security agencies, National Assembly, National Intelligence Agency etc should all fold, they have utterly failed Nigeria and are good as useless and I think CBN and the banking institutions should all be blame for failing to identify and curb the massive corruption in this country. Its only God that can help us now.

It has not been a very good afternoon for me. Tried sleeping but could not get all the stolen money off my mind! Is that we don't have institutions that can protect us from these massive plunder of our collective wealth and future of our children? Are there no credible officers in the National Assembly that can stand up and speak out?!! Don't we have right groups that can hold this people accountable??! Pls are there international bodies that can come to the aid of the Nigerian people because it seems that our internal institutions have failed us! O people! pls what can be done

CyberG:

Are you tired of FRESH AIR NOW?? LWTMB!! Would you Nigerians vote for people who have never been mentioned in a corruption case like Buhari after 30 years in the public space? Would your tribalism allow you to see the future of your children and your retirement? Would you allow a Governor Fashola, on of the best administrators in recent times to keep you all busy and dazed with lots of positive strides in re-organizing the Nigerian State, infrastructure nationally while Buhari can bring the political will to ensure the system works and corruption is destroyed or reduced while the NA and Judiciary do their jobs to ensure the Executive is within the bounds of the constitution? Until you Nigerians are ready, I only see suffering in YOUR FUTURE and that of your children except each one of you is able to steal N 500 B!

As for me, I am glad I am far away from Nigeria, and MY PENSION will be coming from one of the best countries on the planet where I am working and investing my time and that of my future kids! Even if the whole of Nigeria is stolen today, I can only laugh at the foolishness of people who clap for their tribal kinsmen who have eaten their futures, their children and grand children while making sure their own children are not only born and educated in foreign countries but in fact bank roll their existence and opulent living on the head of your unfortunate kids! One day, they will return from US, UK, Canada, etc to continue to rob you and your children of any future so you remain in perpetual slavery while clapping for your tribal kinsmen! Hahahaha..only in Nigeria!

Congrats to you but i still love my country and for the records i didn't vote for Fresh air and don't think I'll ever do and i can never never support tribalism though i see a lot of it on NL. Please people, once someone is confirm to be corrupt, let treat him/her as such and stop all this tribal witch-hunt and bigotry.

fowowe411: @op are you from mars?nah today?

But its very frustrating for some of us who are optimist and try to see good in people and this country. All this news within 1 hour i don't know what to do.

This afternoon, I just decided peruse the news and before an hour I’ve come across this stories
1. https://www.nairaland.com/1507961/house-report-demands-oduah-sack
2. https://www.nairaland.com/1508319/n500-billion-sure-p-funds-missing
3. http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/11/07/efcc-docks-12-persons-for-n3bn-pension-theft/
4. https://www.nairaland.com/1507752/largest-fraud-africa-discovered-between

And I’m quite sure there are others I may have missed. Now I’m so confused and disorientated! Why is there so much stealing and corruption going in this country!?? Just thinking what effect these monies would have had on the life of Nigerians is almost making go bunkers! The craziest of them all is the stealing of money for pensions and it been spear headed by a woman! How can you steal old people’s money and every day you pass by them and tell them government has not released money! Why are some Nigerians so heartless and corrupt!

God pls what is going on in this country, I’m almost getting depressed!!!

The issue of tithing has been extensively discuss on NL, but the best explanation on tithes which will effectively answer the op can be found on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1480358/concerning-tithes-giving-etc-expose. Pls I encourage you to read it if you have not already done so.

lanrexlan: Stop spewing hocus pocus here.You are just dodging the main something,was Jacob a fool that can't differentiate Angels from god? Can you replace all places addressed to god with angels and vice versa? Admit your bible contradicts itself when it says 'No one can see god's face and live' and yet many saw god in the bible and lived.
Was Moses,Haron,Nadab and the elders of Israel fools when they went up to heaven to have a feast with the biblical god?[Exodus 24:9-11].Here,they went up to heaven to see god.Notice,god didn't appear to them on earth nor angels,god himself invited them to have a feast with him in heaven and they saw god.Stop lying and don't twist the bible.Angels and god aren't the same.

I guess I'll leave you to believe what you want to believe, there is no contradictions, what they saw were angels and not God. And you have so far fail to give physical attributes or features that enable Jacob and the others differentiate between God and angels, you might want to read the verses below and noticed how the angel of the Lord and the Lord himself were used interchangeably.
Judges 6:11 - 24, Num 22:22-34. Shalom

lanrexlan: Angels are different from god according to the bible and people do recognized angels as angels and god as god.Jacob wasn't a fool when he saw Angels neither was he a fool when he saw god.See this.Genesis 32:1-2 (KJV) -And Jacob went on his way,and the angels of God met him And when Jacob saw them,he said,This is God's host:and he called the name of that place Mahanaim..Jacob knew what he saw here were angels and he named the place he saw them Mahanaim.When he saw god,he knew what he saw.Genesis 32:30 (KJV) -And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:for I have seen God face to face,and my life is preserved..Stop twisting the bible,Jacob wasn't a fool that won't be able to differentiate angels from god.He named the place he saw god Peniel and not Mahanaim where he saw Angels.He saw god face to face in the bible.
Exodus 33:23 (KJV) -And I(God) will take away mine hand,and thou shalt see my back parts:but my face shall not be seen..This is another broken bottle for you to chew.The biblical god tell Moses to show him his back parts and moses was later granted the access to see god's face in the bible[Exodus 33:11].

Ok since you're not convince, let me start from where u quoted Exo 33:18-20 And Moses said, “Show me your glory.” And the LORD said, “I will make all my goodness pass before your face, and I will proclaim the LORD by name before you; I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy. 20 But he added, “You cannot see my face, for no one can see me and live.”
@ bold which was also reiterated by Jesus in the gospel of John, that no man has seen God at any time not even the angels.
Now let ask you, how do one recognises an angel and how can they be differentiated from God, is that they are fair and have wings? or they are less beautiful? what are their physical attributes so that when a man see them he clearly say oh this one is an angel or this one is God? And for the third time I ask u, are u familiar with scriptures in the OT that called angels God though the were said to be angels pls stop using ur mental knowledge to explain the bible!

macof:

lol Christians have a criminal way of stating things

They say "only a believer with the holy spirit can understand d Bible" that's actually a very dumb statement to justify their stupidity


U think the Bible is the only thing to have made scientific theories?

The Bible especially the OT is nothing more than Jewish understanding.

Go and interview an elder traditionalist in ur village you'll see how intelligent ur ancestors were in philosophy and scientific theories. The Jews are not even half as intelligent as Africans

The topic of discuss is the bible, which u said u knew, but its funny how u tactically dodged all the questions I raised, although I didn't expect u to them, but just wanted to see that you're still very limited in knowledge concerning the said book.

christemmbassey: this is why we call tithe colectors fraudsters, bc, we know, that, they know, that, there is no single verse in the entire bible, where christians are commanded to pay tithe to God, Jesus, pastor or church organization. As for bro Joe, don't expect anything from him, I'm sure, he's practicing a dance called 'twist', d bros no get conscience at all.

Well you're write but I don't support the calling fellow believers fraudsters because we're are all saints!

macof:

Yes it was me, and every bit of it is true.
The Jews in Israel know this, it's their history.

Moses was nt only a notorious terrorist but a dictator and he forced his man made religion on the Jews.

PS: I understand more of the Bible than u think, my high runderstanding of it made me realize the fraud of christianity

Nope I can clearly tell u that the much you know still put you in kindergarten of bible school or knowledge, simply because of ur limitation. Like @olaadegbu said in one of his thread, knowledge in bible was far ahead of science before it caught with it. Do you know that thousands of years before it was discovered, bible clearly stated the earth hanged on nothing? the scientists can tell the age of a material but cannot tell when its first rained on earth, do you know that almost all of Jesus life & ministries were already played out in the OT Do you know, as was recently posted by one of you of a super earth filled with plasma water, that the earth was once exactly like that??!
I think I should stop here before I'm called a mad man!
But the truth is if you have a spirit based understanding of the scriptures, it will definitely blow you mind!!

Sarassin: The OT is replete with instances of people who saw God.

In Genesis 18, Abraham receives three visitors, one of them is God.
Job 42:5 states that Job saw God. When Moses sees God it is clearly stated, and when he sees God's form or "Glory", it is also stated clearly, there is no ambiguity also when an angel of God is seen, it is also stated as such. The prophet Isaiah saw God, as did Jeremiah.

Why John states that " No one has ever seen God...." (John 1:18) is beyond anyone's comprehension, it is a clear contradiction, it has also led to a lot of Christians indulging in "Reverse Engineering" of the religion to achieve stated outcomes, i.e, the bible is God's word and is inerrant, therefore if John says no-one saw God, he must be right, therefore all the old codgers in the NT must be wrong, probably all as high as a kite when they said they saw god ! All very tiresome.

Like I asked earlier, are you familiar with scriptures that clearly illustrated angels as God, though they were clearly angels