₦airaland Forum

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=278570.msg3959486#msg3959486 date=1243870416]When will the time come? We're still waiting for allah to manifest himself. Instead of fighting his battle,he sends out suicide bombers to do his bidding. Convinient,isn't it?[/quote]that is one part of "allah" I dont like. . . . . y should people have to go die for him?

just leave olabs to his usual denial and lying. Even a day old baby knows the inhuman norms prevalent in islam.

huxley2:
Yes, but why do Christian pick and chose the injunction from JC to suit their needs? Why don't they just follow ALL of JC injunction? Would you follow this injunction from JC? If not, why ?

The only thing I can deduce is that Christianity comes with intelligence and wisdom. attested to by the fact that ur parents saw this commandment (to "murder" and still refused to murder u, regardless of ur insubordination and ignorance.

They understand that Christ's gospel and laws is enshrined in His new covenant with us in john 15:12 . . . . .To love one another as He loves us.
ur being alive is a testimony to the new commandment as obeyed by ur parents.

huxley2:
SIMPLE:

1) I was ever so good

2) My parents, like most Christians probably did not know of this despicable injunction.

3) If they had known, they would have ignored it.

For that reason and others, I can savely say that my parents would not be going to heaven.

what is the evidence that they did not know or saw this commandment?

They did, and guess what? . . . . . .you are still alive!

how come ur christian parents did not murder u?

jagunlabi:
Ok,tell me your story and i'll tell you.

you are so pathetic. . . . . I thought u are all-knowing, since u know y anyone will be a christian?

jagunlabi:
In which category do you belong then?How did the religion get hold of you?

u should be able to tell me, cos u seem to know how we all became christians?

jagunlabi:
They accepted a gift of salvetion or they simply inherited a religious belief in which they have little choice but to accept because they were either born into it or they just want to belong in a group?
I don't think i am the one in delusion here.

How do u explain those of us who do not belong to either of these categories?

jagunlabi:
Well,there are many examples in the bible OT.If you read it you will see them.For one,he walked through the garden of eden looking for the first pair.That makes him physical.
He fought an overnight wrestling bout with Jacob and lost.That makes him physical.
He also exhibits human traits,negative ones mostly,and "HE" is of the male gender.I could go on all night.

man was made in GOD's image, not the other way round. To limit God to the spiritual is to have a biased and uninformed opinion of a "being" u ignorantly claim does not exist.

God is spiritual, man is physical. God is not limited to the spiritual, thats why he intervenes in the affairs of men when called upon in prayers. man is also not limited to the physical, that is why he has the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus.
where would u spend eternity, jagunlabi?

It is not a "who" but a what, because the true God is formless,nameless.It is not bounded to any religion,race or creed.God is the sum total of all that is.

This along with mazaje's recent rhetoric about "naturalism" is the most foolish, unintelligent, uninformed, ignorant and succinctly stupid postulation I have ever heard as an alternative to GOD.

what is the basis of ascribing all that exists to your own version of "GOD" and yet deny HIS capacity to EXIST and CREATE?
do u have any scientific or intellectual, rational or logical evidence/argument to buttress this?

what are the components of all that is? how do they add up to ur own version of "GOD"? what was the process involved? was it mathematical, scientific, logical or merely an uninformed assumption?

The desire to be worshipped for one thing.The desire to be loved too.All this indicate that this god is in need,which means he lacks something,which makes him egoic and imperfect.Most of all,he seems never able to get enough of spilling the blood of the innocent.He is an egoic being of the worst kind.

what does perfection mean? in what context do u understand GOD's perfection?
how does HIS request for worship make HIM imperfect?

The authentic image of GOD is no image at all.The formlessness.It is better to say not what it is not,and you are left with what it is,which cannot be seen,but can be known.

Another meaningless rhetoric. what does formlessness mean? is it the same meaningless?

u ambiguously define a God u claim does not exist to fit into ur preconceived notion of GOD.

olabowale:
Noetic2 and Davidylan: What is the bruhaha all about? Remember that you say that your human god is all that ends all? Why are you crying? I wonder how possible that what I said is worse than your intended mass killing of the Jews for not accepting Jesus? Less I forget that the rest of us, the non Christians and the stubborn and mercilessly slaughtered Jews will be condemned to "Lake of Fire!" You guys are the worst of Hypocrites. Stop it men!

I cant make any sense out of this. . . .what EXACTLY are u trying to say?

Does kissing the koran make allah adorable?

Anyone can kiss the koran for any reason, ranging from fear to political, money or whatever. . . . .but the ultimate question is . . , .is allah the same GOD we know?

jagunlabi:
So what is the whole point of the exercise then?Jesus died only to do a half assed job?
Is jesus's sacrifice needed for this?Every human being(atleast most of them) knows that he is not perfect,hence the necessity to be in a continual state of evolving,and it is his/her responsibility to keep on improving.Nobody needs the sacrifice of jesus to realise that.Looks like your jesus wasted his life over a needless nothing sacrifice,alright.

please be objective, even in delusion.
how do u explain the hundreds of millions who have accepted His gift of salvation?

Fhad:
Salamu alaikun Bros, The Northerners call something SHEKE HUKU, Meanning the act of pronouncing I DIVORCE U 3 time concurently by the husband and that is the end of there marriage, even with a very little misunderstanding they pronounce this and that is the end of there marriage, bro, in lieu of this we have thousand of single mother in our mist, huuunnn, what is the actual meanning of the ayat that talk about this , abi is it not from Q2 vs 282 downward,
While waitinq 4 your opinion abt this, i remaing most sincerely yours.

This is one islamic anti-women postulation I really detest. It has no place in the 21st century. . . . .divorcing a woman by mouth, by simply stating it three times. . . , very antediluvian. . . . it has no place amongst humans.

stillwater:
There's a reason why the bible says God sees the heart.

word on marble . . . .

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=238939.msg3960190#msg3960190 date=1243877391]Isn't that reason I tell them that the Almighty God and allah and 2 different people.[/quote]word of wisdom. . . . . .

only a fool will be deceived by hijab. . . . .

jagunlabi:
Never mind.You can't see sense in anything that does not agree with what your religion teaches you.

Not at all, my conclusion was derived after I analysed what u said. see below.

jagunlabi:
Let me just tell you that the god you believe in is a form,might be physical or mental(take your pick),

what makes Him physical or mental in this context?

but that is all he is,a form,and that makes him an egoic god, a false god.

For something to be false, there must be a true version. who then is the true GOD?
what makes GOD "egoic"?

As for atheists,they will get there in time.
It is just that the christian doctrine has totally perverted and polluted the image of God.

what is the authentic image of GOD?

davidylan:
You ask this question because you are largely ignorant of the workings of the Holy Spirit.

1. The blood of Christ will ONLY wash away your sin if YOU are convicted of your sin, confess, repent and seek mercy.

2. To sin against the Holy Spirit is to openly mock and blaspheme the very personality of the Lord Jesus Christ/holy Ghost. Read the earlier event that led to Christ making that statement. the pharisees saw Him perform a miracle and ascribed it to Satan.

3. Only the Holy Ghost can convict you of sin. Without the Spirit you CAN NEVER feel remorse for sin because you dont even understand that you are a sinner in the first place.

4. when you blaspheme the Holy Ghost, it leaves you.

5. Since #4 is true, then it means #3 MUST hold.

The blood of Christ just doesnt wash every scoffing idiot of sin.

Simply Brilliant.

I wonder why this is so hard for an "atheist" to understand.

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=278685.msg3958949#msg3958949 date=1243865588]Horus,you can say that again. . . .some have even turned to cannibalism eating atheists fried in pee for breakfast. Disgusting![/quote]

I think an theist will taste real good. . . .

jagunlabi:
I can understand your reaction,afterall your own idea of god is that butcher in the OT.He is the one who is your lord and it is with him that you wish to spend eternity with.Well,i wish you happy eternal life,as long as you don't get on his wrong side(which could be relatively easy according to the bible,the word of god).Let me just tell you that the god you believe in is a form,might be physical or mental(take your pick),but that is all he is,a form,and that makes him an egoic god, a false god.
As for atheists,they will get there in time.
It is just that the christian doctrine has totally perverted and polluted the image of God.

No offence intended. . . . . .but what is the sense in this u have written?

@ Pilgrim

Nice points u have raised. I sincerely have my reservations about tithing (due to the wolves in the church), but cannot pin it down to the law as kunleoshob et all have done, cos even the early christians were encouraged to give ALL they had.

Thinking that nearly ALL churches who practice tithing could NOT be WRONG spiritually, is the final thin line of argument I hold on to that makes me subscribe to tithing.

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=278470.msg3959463#msg3959463 date=1243870150]''Those who disbelieved in the prophet will be punished insha allah''
Are you not ashamed of yourself? You have no right to call yourself a human being. A real human being will be compassionate and say ''those who disbelived the prophet will be punished,MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY''. Is anything wrong in praying for mercy?
But no,you just love the idea of your allah punishing people,it warms your cockles.Shame on you for showing your heartlessness and barbarism to the world.[/quote]are u just realising the merciless hypocrisy in islam. . . . . .i wonder if allah will have mercy on u naughty atheist. . . . .when even muslims will go to hell.

KAG:
Well, let's first start with the assertion that A can analyse and define her beliefs within the concepts of scientific knowledge, etc. I honestly doubt that's an accurate assessment of the theist's position in regards to gods. The allure - and flaw - of gods is that when scientific evidence that is falsifiable (c.f. empirical evidence) is asked of or for them, the theist is able to reside or hide behind the claim that his or her god is beyond the scope of humanity; essentially, that the god or gods are transcendental - sometimes, even impossibly beyond transcendent. It all belies what you claim.

In any case, on to B. What is the scientific evidence for the non-existence of gods? There isn't any per se. What can be pointed to instead is the existence of alternative, empirically based theories and concepts that could help us understand the existence of humans sans gods. With that B doesn't need to accept "Goddidit" as a viable reason for her existence.

Do u understand my question at all?

According to u, there is no scientific evidence to buttress the non-existence of GOD notion, dont u consider this notion as guilty as the "religions " atheism antagonises?
So for the sake of living in denial, without recourse to reason, logic, scientific experimentation, research, analogy . . . . . .  u simply deny the existence of GOD.

As far as the intellectual goes, though, there are several arguments - some more satisfactory than others. The problem of evil is a firm favourite for many when informed of the supposed existence of an omni-max deity like the Christian one, thus one can present the argument so neatly summed up by Archibald McLeish in JB: "If God is God, he is not good/ If God is good, he is not God/ Take the even, take the odd"

Ur argument cannot be regarded as an intellectual basis for the non-existence of GOD. simply because it is logically one-way traffic.
if ur definition of goodness, mercy, kindness and other xterics of GOD, does not conform with the xtian God, how exactly does that negate HIS existence?

what does it mean to be good? and who do understand to be GOD?

For me, since simply pointing out I just don't believe any gods exist is enough for most people, I'm more content with just pointing out the glaring contradictions in the characteristics and actions of their gods, and the inanity in the dogmas they espouse. For instance, then, to use the Christian god again, the inherent philosophical contradiction in presenting YHVH as both immediately immanent and transcendental is one to which I may point.

This is a better explanation for atheism. Denying the existence of GOD, not on a scientific or intellectual, logical or rational basis, perhaps on the basis of inherent bitterness triggered by hate.

Horus:
Your god is suposed to be Omnipresent, and be everywhere at the same time, so how can he descends from heaven if he is already everywhere and omnipresent?
Or are you saying that your god is only in heaven?

U are simply limiting the God concept to the "container" of ur imagination. True . . . . .God is omnipresent. . . . .that presence is manifested in various ramifications including visual, feeling, experience, hearing, inspiration and lots more. He sees all too and knows all.

why dont u attempt answering the initial questions asked in the opening post

@ OP
I think it is foolish to deny the existence/availability of information (about this event) on the basis of pre-conceived notions against GOD.
Considering the content of ur post, it is safe to state that u believe that the only source of information regarding this event in heaven to be from the Bible and other scriptures. Have u ever considered reading satan's version of events either from the satanic bible, church of satan or other occult sects?

satan has stated his case, God has also stated His case as enshrined in the bible. The liberty is urs to subscribe to any of the versions. But to state that satan has not been stating his case amounts to delusion. ur opening post attests to satan's testimony.

I choose to subscribe to the biblical account of events where the Son of God stated in John 8:44

44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Do u have a problem understanding simple english?

how deluded can an atheist be?

LOL . . . . . ur argument is invalid considering the many contradictions in the message and deeds of "allah" and "prophet" mohammed.

that aside. , . , . .what moral authority do atheists who cannot analyse and explain their beliefs/disbeliefs have to criticise any religion?

The key part of Christianity is "salvation" and the acknowledgement of Christ as "GOD". This acknowledgement coupled with grace makes one heaven bound. Issues about sects or denominations are very very secondary.

A pot calling the kettle black . . . . .whats the difference between an atheist and a muslim?. , . , . NONE

what are their similarities?. . . . . .unless they both acknowledge JESUS as GOD and accept His gift of salvation, both are Hell-bound.

As usual huxley demands for "evidences" when he has NEVER EVER produced ONE to back up any of his assertions.

so?

understanding that the eternal "Truths" enshrined in the salvation of the Christian faith is the basis of disparaging the inherent falsehood called islam.

@ Topic

I think it is fair for the atheist to also tell us what is the problem in defining ur beliefs, scientifically and intellectually.

Evolution is just an irrational way of saying "All things came into being without GOD" without any proof. Whats the point of being irritated at an insignificant postulation?