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mazaje:
I have once read of a story of a moslem man that survived 3 different air crashes in Egypt. . . . what do you call that luck or the divine intevention of allah?. . . .Whtat stops 5 dreams coming to pass from being a coincidence? I have had some of my dreams come to pass like when I first applied for my UK visa I dreamt that I was the only person tha was going to be granted the visa amongst all my friends whom we applied together with and it came to pass I was the only person that got the visa while their applications were all rejected. . . so what is spritual about it? I have also dreamt about lying to my step dad to give me money and it came to pass, I did tell him the lie I told him in my dreams and he gave me the cash so what is spiritual about that? There are other times where I have been pre-occupised with things and dreamt about them but they did not come to pass at all, so I don't see any thing spiritual about it at all. . . .

dont jump the gun. . . .we are simply contesting the fact that u claim it is a "coincidence".

so, what is the source of ur dreams?

olabowale:
« #10 on: Today at 05:19:07 PM »  
Your responses are wishy washy but i will let it slide because others will read it and know whats up.Howmany parts are there of this jehovah, since the Old Testament says He is One, but the New Testament says there are three of him, them? Who is right between the two camps? Did he become three in NT, while hhe was just 1 in OT, or is somebody missing a link somewhere; maybe me? how do you explain this great differntial?

you are so ignorant.

The old testament specifically, genesis talks about ELOHIM. . . . . .
Elohim is simply the trinity. . . .God the father, Son and Holy spirit.
have u ever heard the phrase Let us make man in our own image? who was who talking to?

Lets eave islam out of this until you gaet plenty of chance to ask questions about it. I am asking honest questions since I do not know. Is there a proof that support this sons of godship from OT and is there a verse that will negate it in both OT and NT? Could this be a wishful thinking on the part of John, the writer and why is there not same in the other Gospels? Or is this my lack of spiritual understanding since I am not a spirit and maybe you are not a human but a spirit?

1. why dont u open a thread and sell islam to me.

2. when u talk about "evidence" what EXACTLY are u refering to? I just want us to be on the same page here.

So Christianity fall in the pattern of not been mentioned in the Bible also? But then was the religion of the patriach, say Adam different from that of Moses, and religion of Noah different from that of John the batist, or the religion of Abraham different from that of Jesus, or do they have the same religion and you a way, instead of religion? Please explain the connection of all of them, and then your way, you.

your religious orientation and world view is making it impossible for u to gasp/imagine other people living their lives without the boredom of meaningless religion.
Adam was not religious, was not called to form or practise a religion. His mandate was to have dominion over all that God has created.
Abraham was not called to form a religion. . .he was called to inherit a promise/covenant.
Moses bore the laws through which the israel nation is to be governed. . .he formed no religion.
Jesus had or formed no religion, . . . . .why is this too hard for u to gasp?

John the baptist called all men to repentance and baptism. . . . .did he also form a religion?
in the history of humanity only few people have formed religions. . . i know two of them. . . . mohammed and budha, demonic agents.

You are talking over my head, trying to pull the rug under my feet. Please take it easy. Are you now a saint, since you are a christian? You seem to have indicated 2, by your above "those who believe in Him, and worship father in spirit and in truth," this will duanity and trinity seems to have vanished? What happens to the trinity, and you did not provide the verse that you quoted, if i should go by your top post?

1. the verses i quoted are john 1:12 and john 4:23-24

2. I believe that the trinity question has been answered. what does ELOHIM mean?

I dont know and I do not aprreciate your not explaining it! If you know it, spill it and I now ask you what does it mean when Jesus said whoever encourages anyone to abort the laws and the prophets (all of them, without a jot being ignored) will be the least? Is the least in the Kingdom of heaven not amounting to punishment compared to the highest/biggest in the same Kingdom, unless no one will be punished, then the question will be why make a statement that has no punitive consequence, if you are truly a prophet, or a man of God, or God? Anything less is like a lie to me. No?

I cant make a meaning out of the above. . .but let me state the following

1. the consequences for disobeying the law is physical/spiritual death. . . . .go read the old testament.
the law gives no room for restitution . . . . because the sacrifices offered became inadequate.

2 the reward for obeying the law is human prosperity and longevity. . . .go and read the OT

3. The coming of Jesus meant that man did not have to die spiritually even if he fails. . . . .there is redemption and salvation in Jesus.
it also implies that condemnation comes only by rejecting the Son (Jesus) as ur Lord and saviour.

4. while the punishment of the law is insignificant. . .fulfilling the law remains mandatory, which is what Jesus was emphasizing. He subsequently summarised the entire law into one. . . LOVE.

5. what do u understand by the kingdom of heaven?

Too many, but that will come later because while saying am come to fulfil and no jot will be abrogated, and warned any to never go against his statement, I immediately see, according to you that all of the laws and prophets are just a footnote type' Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself", seems to be so shallow and empty that one will be forced to ask among many; what is this love and how does it keep it possible that the Punishment for stealing as in death by hanging (the two who died when Jesus was hung wee thieves), and the adultary thing not stoning to death, since it was Jesus that saved the hyde of the propstitutes who could be accuused for fornication, and they went to Muhammad (AS) for adultary case in madina? You can start to explain from there.

later we will address the slave servant thing that Jesus was quoted to have call wealthy and poor christians alike. We will also talk about ther Trinity and then we will go to sects in Christianity which at least one in Ethipia still bow, prostrate as if they are Muslims! I will asllso show you the Jews who do exactly the same thing and you will have to expalin why you now clap, sing and dance as if its night club with a live band on the organ and drumset, etc!
[quote][/quote]maybe we should start by defining LOVE? what is LOVE?

mazaje:
Noetic my man two days I missed you . . . . .What do you mean that I don't have the ability to be objective?

missed u too and ur many wahala. . . . .lol

I believe that u are not objective in dismissing dreams, trances, spiritual procrastinations et all as mere coincidences.
if a person has 5 dreams and all 5 dreams come to pass. . . i think thats more than a mere coincidence and that puts holes in ur argument.

mazaje's ability to be objective is dead. . . . .and long buried.

it is a coincidence that u have a dream . . .and the substance of ur dream happen just like that. . .not once or twice but on several and numerous  occasions.
mazaje has finally lost the plot. 

olabowale:
From what Noetic2 says Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship. But my question was to see if if the name or relationship is from God, devine in nature, unless Judaism, which Jesus practiced, prayed in, preached on, read its book of laws and prophets, is no more a relationship with God, since Jesus arived, if I assume that Jesus was the first christian, unless he was not a christian, so you have to explain why he spent all his life in an old rejected way, and you who takes him to be your god takes up a new way, different from what he took?

So many questions, but all are tied together bease on your strange statement to somebody like me who is trying to learn about your religion!

So that you know that I realised that banom asked question and you quoted John, it seems to me that only 4 disciples took time to pen something down, from among the 12, and are all the 4 Gospels completely correct with one another, without a verse missing from any. Please explain if you can but leave it alone if its going to cause a diversion. I will get to it in later date, you count on it!

1. depends on ur definition of God. If u refer to Jehovah God . . . .the God of the biblical prophets and the patriachs. . . . then YES it is a relationship with God.
john 1:12 says that for as many believed in Jesus, He gave them the power to become the sons of God, . . .to fellowship with God.
but if u are refering to allah who mohammed and his father served. . . . .then u are talking of something else. christians have no business with arabian idols.

2. Judaism was never mentioned in the bible, torah or by moses himself. judaism is a coined word to describe an old-testamental practise.

3. you have just revealed that u have no idea as to what a christian means. Jesus was NEVER a christian. Jesus is CHRIST.
for as many as those who believed in Him. . . .and worship the Father in spirit and in truth . . .have been called to fellowship to be co-heirs of the kingdom.
it is unbelievers like u that call the saints . . .christians.

4. do u know the punishment for not obeying the law? if u do then u can appreciate why Jesus had to fulfill the law on our behalf?

5. what parts of the gospel do u find impossible to gasp?

where is olabs and his tails? . . . where have they run to?

save

whata chi baby

olabowale:
Yoru-eko is definitely inferior among the yorubas to Yoru-oyo. No? You do not study yoru eko, but yoru oyo in the department of Yoruba language in Ife, Ibadan, Lagos.

Yoru eko is pidgin, while Yoru oyo is Queens English. Quranic Arabic is the Queens English Yoru Oyo while other arab languages, and indeed what was spoken by bedouin, and makkan city sleekers prior to Quran was Yoru Eko pidgin English. have what I will call introspective process of looking at the cogent points.

ur ridiculous lies. . . .all in the name of making mohammed look good are fast becoming very embarrassing.
so mohammed founded a new language? and this innovation is connected to literacy? whaooo? This is an all time low for u olabs. . please wake up.

sharp slap

u sure feel good

lofly slap

it feels great. . .

lolz

thats cos u are hardly online. . . .I am logging on to chat now

slap the yob out of her. . . .

ow are u doin today?

where is switD?

why not


ow are u?

slap. . .cos I change my mind too

Any attempt to make majaje offer cogent analysis is suicidal

ahahaha

i will save. . .for saving sake

save for salvation sake

ow are u doing?

banom:
If it ain't a religion, then what is it ?

a relationsship with God. . . , its a call to fellowship and worship in spirit and in truth. john 4:23-24
23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

bindex:
What is more to life says that people should learn to say I don't know instead of lying to themselves and forcefully believing the lies of others because they have been conditioned to do so.

how many times has the misnormer above been refuted? what is a lie? for every lie. . .there is something called the truth?
what then is the truth? what are ur evidences to back up this truth?
I dont know what to make of ur assertions. . . . . .they are pointless.

You have NO evidence at all to support your beliefs, You have never stated any evidence at all, all you have done so far is simple pleading, even the bible which is the book that your entire belief depends on does NOT talk about evidence but talks about faith, it calls faith a virtue and calls those that have faith blessed. Faith requires that this god that is talked about be experienced through faith. The faithful then can't point to the universe or the earth and say "It proves God exists."If it does where's their faith? That's why the whole thing takes faith.  Without faith, it all falls apart.  The very fact that faith is a prerequisite, is a complete acknowledgment that there is no evidence to be found. The bible does NOT say this are the evidence to show that god exist it all says believers must come to god through faith unless if you are now trying to throw the bible under the bus.

if I get a cent for every time the rubbish above has been stated and refuted on this forum. . .i would be a millionaire by now.
1. that u dont believe or subscribe to the evidences that have been repeatedly stated and established on this forum. . . does not in any way discredit this evidences.
how many times do I have to repeat this simple fact?

When your dishonesty has been shown you begin to insult people by calling them names . You did NOT provide any historical non-biblical sources that you keep deluding yourelf into thinking you did does not make it true. The Talmud does NOT talk about the jesus of the bible. Here is a copy of the Talmud read it and stop deluding yourself. Josephus was a fraud as acknowledge by your link. Tacitus called the entire story the most mischievous superstition of all time, Please look at the dictionary meaning of the word superstition it will do you a lot of good.

blah blah blah

All u have done is to profer an opinion on the non-biblical historical evidences that supports the existence of Jesus, . . . . .
The last time I checked the bone of contention was the existence of these records. . . . .we have jointly achieved this aim. . . . .what u make of this recirds is largely insignificant.

Anything that defeats your meaningless arguments suddenlt becomes irrelevant. . The writers of the gospels did not say that they were recording any history, they said they wanted people to believe what they were writing. They did not even say who they were neither did they say if they have ever meet jesus in person.

The reason I brought the point was that christianity was brought up from Judaism to which jews themselves do not believe in. There Torah was used to create a new god that just it.

Who is paul and who is peter? What do you know anything about them beside what is written about them inside the bible? Whose message supersedes, that of paul and peter or that of jesus?

Jesus warned his disciples not to preach to the gentiles or go near their cities, he also said that he was sent to save ONLY the lost sheep of Israel not the gentiles whom he called dogs as written in the book of matthew. He later said that it was ok to go and reach to the gentiles and that he came to save every body so the question is which is it? Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

now what are u talking about?

olabowale:
Is Christianity a devine religion from God (by name) through a named prophet, please give proof of it from the mouth of either.

from my initial definition of Christianity, it is obvious that it is phrase coined by unbelievers like u to describe believers who fellowship with God in the spirit.
so christianity aint a religion.


next question?

shez shenty

subject to our primordial discussion of the other thread. . . . u asked "what is christianity"


my answer: christianity is a word deduced from the word christian.
The term christians was used by non-christians like u in acts 11 to describe the light as seen in the life of the believers of the goodnews Jesus came to teach.

ur next question. . . . . . .

u ask two questions, then my turn.

I am loving this. . . . ok now u are my target.

so ask me questions about christianity. . .I WILL ANSWER THEM ALL. . . . on the condition that u would answer all my questions about islam
I am waiting

tubabie:
hug , . . . . . . . keeps disappearing too

not my fault. . .how u doing today?

[quote author=*Shentz* link=topic=163288.msg4491390#msg4491390 date=1252250508]massive hug -- been in america but back in england

oh my computer thug i missed you soo.  How art thou?[/quote]incredible hug. . .I am fine ooo
I hope u had great fun in the states?. . . . .what did u bring for me CY?

hug. . .where have u been?

is that a question?

olabs what has 3 gods got to do with the fate of a poor girl in the hands of allah's slaves?

of course YES!

A wonderful yes to amigoz. . . . . .how are u?


are u on YIM?