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i actually did more than delivery

I understand why she is denying it publicly. . . . .she does not want u to remove her from ur will

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surfing and chatting. . u?

maybe u should also consider . . . .the IF NOT

is there any evidence that suggests that intelligence life exists outside this planet?

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tubabie:
I didnt see him.Delivered to who?

dont forget u signed for the package

are u denying ur skills?
howdy today?

why are u a professional teaser?

mazaje:
I am only pointing out to the myths they have written about their god, you were not there when they wrote about the exodus, and all the other things they wrote about their god but you still believe it. . . what makes their myths better than our own traditional african religious myths? Is it because you were born into a culture that accepts the Jewish myth as the "truth"? Your claims are typical of those made by Christians all the time which displays a very poor grasp of critical thinking(No insult meant at all). If someone else used your standard of reasoning to justify a different supernatural/fringe belief and many do here like the muslims you are always battling against you'd see through their poor reasoning very easily. But once you are stuck in the Christian box, it's so full of cognitive defense mechanisms you can't see out of it.

u have said nothing that suggests that the children of israel were segregated on the basis of race and not idolatry.

I haven't seen the lord doing anything for any body. . . all I see is people doing everything for themselves. . .there is NO evidence to show that there is any god doing anything for christians better than others. . .There is nothing that has happened to you either good or bad that has not happened to other countless non christians. . . that you choose to ascribe everything that happens to you to your god does not mean it is true and it doesn't  mean that your god exist out side the pages of the bible and your imaginations. . . .NO evidence to show that there is a god that does things for christians more than non christians all people suffer the same fate in this world. . . .

u keep assuming on a false scale that ur world view is an acceptable fact. . .  .this is very unfortunate.
That u dont subscribe to miracles does not deny their happenings. . . . . this has been repeatedly emphasized.

I have told you what the bible says about the god it talks about. . . it talks about this god as an entity that knows all things, all powerful, even knows the future and how it will play out according to his plan. . . .I find it very absurd that an entity that plans everything according to his will and plan suddenly turns around shouting blue murder and displaying violent emotions when things go wrong even when he was the person that was said to plan it and make it happen that way. . .Jesus told people to always have faith in god but when his own time came to demonstrate his own faith in god he cried and accused god of forsaken him even when the bible says that the entire event was already planned. . . . That is one way of looking at it. . . . . Here is a bible verse for you

Psa 21:8 Your hand will find out all your enemies; Your right hand will find out those who hate you.
Psa 21:9 You will make them as a fiery oven in the time of your anger; The LORD will swallow them up in His wrath, And fire will devour them.
Psa 21:10 Their offspring You will destroy from the earth, And their descendants from among the sons of men.
Psa 21:11 Though they plan evil against You and devised a plot, They will not succeed.
Psa 21:12 For You will make them turn their back; You will aim with Your bowstrings at their faces.
Psa 21:13 Be exalted, O LORD, in Your strength; We will sing and praise Your power.  

This verse shows that some of the ancient Jews thought that their god was just a stronger version of them. . . they believe that people can plot or devise evil against him or try to harm him. . . . .

u did not answer my questions,. . . . . .let me repeat them:
why cant God get angry? why cant He love or hate? why cant God feel emotions? does any of these emotions contradict His ontology? how?

You are shifting the goal post so that your god moves more and more into the area of the unknown. . .Again[b] a perfect and all powerful god lacks nothing[/b] and there is nothing that he can not fix. . .A god that possesses all this attributes and still goes around worrying about women that menstruate or men that defaecate in military camps or engaging the people that he allegely created and have absolute power over in battles is completely impossible. . . .why should a god as described in the bible engage people in battles? .

I dont even where to start from in tearing apart ur assertions above. . .why dont u start by defining perfection. . . .what does perfection mean? how does God fit or not fit this description?

Do you also have 1 billion evidence to show that satan exist neotic? . Satan exist only in the imaginations of people that believe in the myth simple. . .

That is not an evidence. . You are only begging the question. . .Nature is evidence for nature not for any god. . .moslems also use nature as evidence for allah too, you are yet to prove to the that your god not allah is reponsible for nature. . .any body can make wild claims. . . i can attribute nature to the invisible goat that lives at the top of the sun. . . you can't prove me wrong can you. . .

just tell me why EXACTLY nature is NOT an evidence for God. All u have to do is to examine each of the components of nature and define their origin. . . .is that so hard to do?

save for saving sake. . .lolz

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I sent my lawyer to u na  

i surely delivered

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hevent u seen chocolate before?

dont u know he could be nutty?

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why are u eating chocolate?

why?

links?

whats the connection between bible dogmas and UFO's ?

are u expecting intelligent answers?

mazaje:
I find the entire tale absurd because it is not written in the bible that golden calf they worshiped helped them in any way. . . yahweh on the other hand sent manna from heaven for them. . .divided the red sea for them, healed them from their diseases etc. . . .We will always disagree with all these things because I do not believe any of them ever happened. . .there was no exodus from egypt, no parting of the red sea no conquest etc. . all these myths are part of the jewish culture. . . .its funny that you guys completely disregard african myths like the story of sango but quickly hold unto the jewish myths. . . .

As for the warning against marrying women from other tribes or race all all I can say is that it is a well known fact that people will go to any extent to encourage racism and segregation even when it means invoking their god. . . I just hope you read mad max's post. . . . .

all u have done is to attempt to rationalize the inactions of the israelites to support ur world view that God does not exist. . . . .that has been unsuccessful.
were they segregated on the basis of race? they were segregated on the basis of idolatry.

u find it hard to imagine that the children of israel would be ungrateful after all the miracles they received. . . . but u fail to compare them to today's christians. . . .who backslide into sin. . . even after all that the Lord has done for us. its as simple as that.

This is not true. . . there are so many places in the bible where the bible god got angry instantaneously. . .Let me repeat humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent god, however can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect god lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect god who experiences emotion is impossible.

i think u need to question the basis of ur premise.

a. why cant God get angry? why cant He love or hate? why cant God feel emotions? does any of these emotions contradict His ontology? how?

b. is there a predefined concept of perfection God must fit into? if so. . .can u share this definition of perfection?

Yet you guys spend whole night casting and binding this imaginary non existent entity . This satan myth is really ridiculous I must say. . . .Satan does not exist outside the various religious text and the imaginations of people that buy into the myth. . .

I agree that some christians are ignorant of certain things. but I never implied that satan does not exist or does not have his dirty works. . . I only believe that satan is highly exaggerated. . . .his abilities are severely and falsely over  emphasised . . .but he does exist.

Its not a claim but a Fact. . . .You have never given me any evidence at all. . . I find it funny that you guys point to evidence to suggest that your god exist. . if your god truly exist we will not be talking about evidence. . . we don't talk about evidence suggesting that the sun, planets or the star exist do we? I claim your god exist and i ask you to show me where he is and all you can come up with is evidence which suggest he exist? . Neotic my man you can do better than that. . . .

1. I have given u NATURE as my first evidence. . .you are yet to tell me why my evidence cannot stand.

2. we are debating God because of the liberty and differences of our individual and collective reasoning. . . . .just like we debate UFO's

olabowale:
Noetic read and Surah Fajr's last Verse tells Muslim, "the soul that has pleased Allah" enter Paradise. Read my man, dont let your hatred of Islam make you unjust to yourself carrying ignorance on your forehead as if its a badge of honor!
Read whats up.

I dont enjoy reading ur diversive and uninformative answers. . . . .answer my questions using the koran. , .is that hard to do?

is it not pertinent mazaje proves his claims?

alimat 2:
u really need to get educated. how EXACTLY have I insulted olabs?
that u dont agree with me does not excuse your follyplease excuse me. how exactly have I abused olabs? is it my fault that u arent a literate to understand simple words?
The motive of the thread remains that he wants to sell islam. . .  .I am allowed to ask questions and raise objections. . .why is that so hard to understand?

Are u sure what u asking is a geniu question without biasness, after u have called your creator a fraud. Did Olabs say that to your trinity?

can anyone make sense of the ridiculous rantings of this ignoramus?

olabowale:
@Noetic2: « #29 on: Today at 02:37:21 PM » You will not be classified as a Kafir, a denier of truth, any longer, replacing it witha better name; muslim. Thats the begining of a beautiful life.

All your sins are forgiven, wiped out from your evil column, but then turned to good, there by you start out with "plus points", untill just been zero and zero in both columns, always the statements of other religions as to the conditions of New Converts.

Your Creator guarantees it on the pages of the Quran.

Surah Fajr's last verse tells you to enter "Jannah" unopposed.

where in the koran is any of these written?

olabowale:
the former extremist is not letting us know that he is or not a muslim, at the time of his article. but we see him saying our, and their when he refers to the general land of britain or britons, and the foreign muslims, respectively.

my own opinion is that the writer is a phantom, never was a muslim. propaganda disguising as an extremist muslim, almost suggesting that muslims must be extremist, but Allah says that no one should be an extremist, but must be moderate in religion.

instead of attacking the writer. . .why not address the issues raised?

@ olabs

what benefit do I get from being a muslim? are my sins recompensed? do I obtain salvation? whats the assurance of a place in paradise?

mazaje:
I find this story completely absurd. . . People hear the voice of the OT god or see him sometimes according to the bible yet quickly turn to worship Idols that have no voice at all. . . .the every day believers do not claim to see god or hear him address them through public speech they just have faith that he is there even though they have never seen him or heard his voice echo like a loud speaker. . . .I don't think that there is any blind person or amputee out there who after regaining his sight or having his amputated limbs grow back through prayers in the name of jesus will tun around and begin to worship wooden Idols. . .as for others reading and believing all I have o say is that religions are all like that you have to condition your self and assume that the stories being told are true even if they are not true at all. . . .

what led the people to idolatory? u need to analyse this to get the larger picture. tow things led to idolatory

1. the need for a supreme being. the children of israel made a calf image to themselves when they did not see moses again. it is a known fact that the generation that left Egypt did not know God. . .they were idolators who moses convinced through the works/miracles of his rod.
so as soon as moses was on mount sinai and was not down for a long time. . . . the need for a supreme being made them create a calf. . . . not all of them however worshipped the calf. remember moses told them to choose between the calf and God. . . . .majority chose God.

2. they worshipped the idols their foreign wives served . , . . . .that was why God asked them not to marry from a foreign nation.
what would u not do for a woman u are in lust with? that was what also happened to solomon.
thats what is also happening to today's chriatians. . . . . .money, women and worldly lusts leading them astray from God regardless of all the miracles they have received in time past.

In the book of Amos the OT god says that he is responsible for all evils that happen meaning that there is no evil that takes place with out his knowledge and approval. . . yet in other parts of the bible like in Ezekiel he punishes the Israelite for disobeying him showing anger and promising to kill their unborn children that are in their mothers wombs

He even gets angry with solomon in the book of kings. . . gets angry with the Jews in most parts of the OT for disobeying him or breaking his commandments. . . . . gets jealous if they worship other gods etc. . . its all over the bible. . . .

Over the past couple of weeks . . . I have been reading the entire bible. And I have come across this emotions u mentioned in the new testament.
my deduction has been that
1. when u obey God' laws and commandments u are safe in his hands in all that u do. . .David is a classic example.

2. For all those who saw the wrath of God in the bible. . .they were all forewarned that they should keep the commandments of God.

3. God did not get angry in a day. . , it took time.

4. satan's abilities are highly over rated and exaggerated.

Its not a claim but a fact. . .You claim god exist and i say he does not, you then said that i should prove that he does not exist and I ask you to show me where he is simple. . . . .unless if you mean he exist on the pages of the bible, koran, hindu text and other religious scripture then fine. . . .No god exist outside the various religious scriptures and the minds and imaginations of people that already believe. . . .

u claimed that God does not exist. . . . . you are yet to prove it.
I claimed that God exist. . . . I have also given u a BILLION evidences that suggest so (Nature). . . . .you are yet to refute my evidences . . .neither have u proven ur claim.

alimat 2:
@noetic,

what is the motive  of this  thread? is it for u to learn or to abusive/call names

please excuse me. how exactly have I abused olabs? is it my fault that u arent a literate to understand simple words?
The motive of the thread remains that he wants to sell islam. . . .I am allowed to ask questions and raise objections. . .why is that so hard to understand?

C'mmon Man  this is an intellectual debate, Y dont u put on your reasoning cap and think.

There are many points u can say rather than insults

u really need to get educated. how EXACTLY have I insulted olabs?
that u dont agree with me does not excuse ur folly.