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bindex:
It stinks only because it shows there is more to this life than meets your belief in the lying stories of some unknown jews that know nothing but how to tell lies.

really? so tell me. . .whats more to this life?

Except that the belief you subscribe to is based purely on faith with no evidence at all which is a waste of time to any objective observer.

the evidences that support my beliefs have been repeatedly stated on this forum . . .that u choose to discard these evidences does not discredit or diminshes their significance,  . . . .so what are u saying.

I believe you need to go look at the meaning of the word shame because its very clear that you do not know what it means at all. I followed your debate on the other thread and here is the summary from what I read. You brought some non biblical sources you claim extablish the existence of jesus outside the bible which are 1. The Talmud, The writings of Josephus and The writings of some other guy but the problem is that the Tamud was not talking about the jesus of the bible toneyb even provided a link to the talmud itself which I am very sure you did not read, I read it and the jesus talked about in the talmud is not the same jesus talked about in the bible even though their stories look similar at some point but the entire story looks were very very different and they were not the same persons. Josephus writings is a fraud that was even acknowledge by the writer of the link you provided and the other guy(I can't remember his name) did not even mention the name of jesus as a person he knew existed at all, he only talked about a group of people called christians who worship a guy called jesus and called their belief a mischevious superstition which is tantamount to him saying that their belief is false and something that he does not believe at all in.

what? 

Did u actually go through the thread and the link i provided? 
All u have done here is to state ur personal opinion planted on the fountain of ignorance and watered by illiteracy. . . . Toneyb asked for historical non-biblical sources and they were provided. . .what u make of these sources is very very insignificant.

The only reason the gospels were written was because the writers of the gospels wanted people to believe their stories. The gospel of john even says that " these stories were written down so that people will believe in them". A good look at the gospels with all the contradictions that is riddled within them tells any objective reader that the writers do not know what they are really talking about. People who were supposed to be eye witness to such event can never write such a contradictory and poor story about a person they were said to be together with all the time. The stories were written long after the death of jesus by unknown christians who wanted people to believe in their delusion and the stories were written purely by picking and chosen passages from the torah.

needlessly irrelevant.

The partraichs of israel were not christians they were jews. Jews are still alive and they do not believe in jesus who a few jews, greeks and other gentiles used passages from their torah to turn into a god.

thats exactly my point. . . . . but it sounds like u dont even know the meaning of rge word "christian". how could the patriachs have been christians?

Jesus also warned his disciples not to preach to the gentiles about the coming kingdom of god that was at hand and even called the gentiles dogs, so which is it? Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

Did jesus not also warn his disciples not to preach to the gentiles? Which is it exactly?

The day you tender one evidence which suggest that your god exist I will be there to tender my own to show that he doesn't.

How many blind people have you ever healed? Or don't you believe in your ability to perform magic any more? Did you try and it failed?

why did u not answer my questions about the missions of paul and peter. . . .  .
they are the answers to the mantra above.

(CNN) -- A Muslim teenager from Ohio says her father threatened to kill her because she converted to Christianity.
Rifqa Bary claims her father wants her dead after she converted to Christianity.

Rifqa Bary claims her father wants her dead after she converted to Christianity.

Rifqa Bary, 17, ran away from her family in Columbus, Ohio, in July and took refuge in the central Florida home of the Rev. Blake Lorenz with the Global Revolution Church in Orlando.

The teen heard of the pastor and his church through a prayer group on Facebook. The girl's parents reported her missing to Columbus police, who found her two weeks later in Florida through cell phone records.

The teenager, in a sworn affidavit, claims her father, Mohamed Bary, 47, was pressured by the mosque the family attends in Ohio to "deal with the situation." In the court filing, Rifqa Bary stated her father said, "If you have this Jesus in your heart, you are dead to me!" The teenager claims her father added, "I will kill you!"

Mohamed Bary told CNN a lot of false information has been given and "we wouldn't do her harm." He knew his daughter was involved with Christian organizations.

"I have no problem with her practicing any faith," he said, but Bary admitted he would have preferred his daughter to practice the Muslim faith first.

Although Mohamed Bary said he did not expect his daughter to run away, Rifqa Bary was placed in foster care by an Orlando judge in August while the Florida Department of Children and Family investigated the threat allegations against the parents.
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* TIME.com: Florida culture-war circus over Rifqa Bary

In a court filing Monday, John Stemberger, Rifqa Bary's attorney and president of the Christian advocacy organization Florida Family Policy Council, accused the parents' Ohio mosque of having ties to terrorism and radical Islam. The Noor Islamic Cultural Center has denied the allegations.

Stemberger told CNN he agreed with his client that she would be killed by radical Muslims if she is returned to Ohio.

"She is a person who is ripe for apostate killing or mercy killing. I'm not going to let my client slip away in the night by going back," said Stemberger.

Roger Weeden, the mother's attorney in Florida, said the filing had no credible evidence but instead was meant "just to inflame the community and the court." Weeden said he believes the teen's attorney is trying to create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

The teen's attorney said his client has endured a history of abuse from her family. Stemberger said the young girl was forced to wear the Muslim headscarf called a hijab and was punched in the face by her father for being ashamed while wearing it.

Stemberger is asking the court to keep Rifqa Bary in the custody of the state of Florida until she turns 18 in a year.

Mohamed Bary, who is not a United States citizen, said he can't believe all the false allegations and the bad image caused by the situation.

"We are not bad people," Bary said. "We are not like that, we are normal."

The mother's attorney said the teenager was a normal girl, a cheerleader in Ohio, and what Muslim extremist would allow his daughter be a cheerleader?

At a court hearing scheduled for Thursday in Orlando, the parents will have an opportunity to respond to the allegations against them. Their attorney said the parents will deny all allegations.

After the court hearing, the judge may force all the parties involved into mediation, followed by an adjudication hearing.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/03/muslim.convert/index.html

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=316436.msg4468760#msg4468760 date=1251899878]What makes you think we were not sincere christians?
I tell you, most of us really wanted this thing to be true. We searched and truly wanted to experience god but nothing. . . .you know why? Because there's NOTHING to experience.[/quote]blah blah blah. . .same old tales of LIES and deceit.

1. what did u search and where? whats the truth?
2. what makes u think u were a christian or a sincere one? what does sincere christian mean?

bindex:
The fact that you accept the entire story without looking at it to see if it makes [/b]sense doesn't mean its true.

you are so right. mazaje's story makes no sense . . . . . .that was my intention in asking the questions I did.
Not only does the story not make sense. , , it also gives a bad verdict on mazaje's intellectual capacity. . .the story STINKS.

[b]Why is it that the Jews do not believe in him? Its very very strange that such a great person as recorded by the bible came lived the way the bible described and was not written about by any of the jewsih contemporaries. No one living during the time the bible said Jesus lived wrote anything about him. A person that feed 5 thousand people, healed the sick, raised people from the dead, walked on water who had a lot of followers and who the king wanted to meet would have gotten the attention of people like Pliny who were alive and lived in the same city remember jerusalem had a very little population at that time. Its't it funny that the first story( gospel of mark) about Jesus was not even written about some one that claims he ever meet him but by a christian that lived about 50 years after he died. All the other gospels were written long after the death of Jesus by unknown people to be of any importance to anybody seeking the real truth about the historical Jesus.

1. a belief is an optional thing. , . u make choices. Some choose to believe, others choose to disbelieve. . .that does not dispute the authencity of the message (Jesus)

2. ur assertion is wrong about non-biblical records. I have taken it up with toneyb and he SHAMELESSLY ran away with his tails
There are several non-biblical records that establish the personality of Jesus.

3. u need to understand why EXACTLY the gospels were written before u can understand why they were written long after the death of Jesus. The gospel were NOT written to serve as an evidence to prove anything. . .they were written to serve as records to inform latter day christians who did not witness the earthly era of Jesus. believing or disbelieving the gospel accounts is optional. . the question is the plausibility of ur belief system.

The same jesus also told a canaanite woman in matthew 15:22-28 that he came only for the lost sheep of Israel he even called the gentiles dogs. is it the same Jesus that promised his desciples that they will sit with them on the throne judging the 12 tribes of Israel alone?

This is hilarious.

1. God was revealed to the patraichs who are the founders of the israel nation. . . .who then do u expect Jesus to bring the news of salvation to?

2. the word "Alone" is not in my bible.
Jesus asked that His disciples spread the gospel of salvation to the whole world.

The same Jesus that told his desciples not to go into the cities of the samaritans and gentiles but to the lost sheep of israel alone when preaching about the kingdom of heaven that is near is the same jesus that made a big U turn and told his disciples to go preach to the gentiles after inntially warning them not to do that in the first place. . Is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

I believe I answered this already.

Which evangelism exactly? Did Jesus not warn his desciple not to go into the cities of the gentiles when talking about the kingdom of god that is at hand? Did he not say that he came only for the lost tribe of isreal before some how changing his mind later on? . So which is it actually? Did jesus come to save only the lost sheep of Israel as he said or did he come to save the whole of mankind like he also said? . again is there anything in christianity that is not contradictory?

1. what was the mission of apostle paul?

2. what was the mission of peter to the gentile centurion?

Only that neither you or any christian out there has ever established that you god is any better than theirs. You only claim using the bible that your god is true while their is false. Non of you have ever demonstrated it al all. They have also done the same claim using their own religious scriputures. Did your god not show that he was a better god than the other gods according to the bible? Gods like baal in the bible by organising a general test for al to come and see? Why is he aftraid to show that he is better than allah, the hindu gods and the rest of the other gods that we have around now adays through test? Is it because he exist only in the imaginations of those that believe in the story?

you are yet to tender ANY evidence that suggests that God does not exist?

If you are really educated you will not come around sounding like a pathetic illetrate because that is how you have just sounded. Are you a christian? How many blind people have you healed? Did jesus not say that those of you that believe in him will be able to perform magic? Why aren't you able to do that is it because the story is a lie?

I have heard this rubbish over 40 times on nairaland. . . .and I have answered them all repeatedly.
why cant u use ur head to think and ask original questions

hugzz


@ tubabie

so u gave me a side hug. . .uhmn

Aremugangan:
@noetic, i like your confidence about your destination. May you find refuge there, since that's what you want.LWKMD.

what are u saying?. . . . . . when did I become a slave of allah. . . .I simply repeated what allah told u guys in the koran.

skyone:
@Noetic long time hope all is well

This tread  has newly discovered the world most deluded people on earth, you just have time to read what the people of allah has been pouring out on this tread, i tell you,' you wont only open your mouth wide but pray for them.

People like AREMUMUGAN especially is so horrendous never seen a kind of him before. Already we know abu alzakawi is suffering from either mental disorder or 40years behind his thinking. Olabowale has given up thank God for that one.

Now still they have no answer.

skyone . . . .I am cool. . .hope u are doing well too.

I am not suprised as to the level of illiteracy induced ignorance being spinned out by the mohammedans on several threads. . .it all cracks me up.
keep up the good work though. . .hopefully I can restore my laptop backup soon.  

why cant u just answer it here?

is that a front or side hug?

@ post
hugzz

lolz

I will report u to shentz, pat, Amigoz and sexyleamon. . . .

why is the name mohammed so sacred?

Aremugangan:
Allahu Akbar!!! Another pharaoh here!!!
@noetic, longest time, personally i'v missed you. Where have you been? Welcome abroad. Expecting osisi to come and do what she knows how to do best.

missed u all too. . .my laptop z fumbling.

Hell won't be empty afterall.

u are so right. . . .considering that allah said all muslims will be in hell. . . its gonna be filled to capacity

hugz

tubabie:
back at u

Hugzzz


where av you been? good to see u

I have been cool. . .missed u. . .ow are u?

swit D:
Hugzzzzzzz

I knew it , I knew Noetic wud show up nao

Leave her ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

na how many u want marry?

hugz

huxley:
What is the point of Christian evangelism? Christian believe that those who have never heard the gospel and the words of Jesus will be judged under a different dispensation that those who have.

There are many millions of people today who have never been exposed to the gospel, nor will they ever be exposed to it. Many billions of humans have come and gone who never heard the gospel. Will such people be judge against a standard they never were exposed to?

If it is true that people will be judged against their own standard if they had never heard the gospel, then what is the point of evangelising them. In fact, ironically, evangelising them ONLY maximises their chances of ending up in hell, for once they have heard the gospel, they are automatically present with more things against which they will be judge.

What do you think?

Evangelism is an instruction from Christ. , . .Its not a problem that u have difficulty gasping the essence of evangelism.

It is only mazaje, huxley, toneyb or tudor that can come with such a RIDICULOUS story as to the basis for leaving christianity.

a. was Jesus not domiciled in israel?

b. did He not command that the gospel be taken to the gentiles?

c. is that not the essential basis for evangelism?

d. are societal beliefs not equivalent to biblical description of false gods?

Sometimes one has to ask if mazaje is educated at all? I have stated repeatedly on this forum that you were NEVER a xtian. . . . u were just a RIDICULOUS church goer. . . .utter rubbish.

This thread is so hillarious 

islamic fasting is a fraud just like allah 

lolz. . .loff is a very big word.

hez in loff with 10 girls at the same time. . .

hez a D. . .

banom:
Christians and Muslims, how will you feel, if in the end there is no God, ? and all you have done in the name of God happens to be wastes and it turned out that Atheists are right .

What will you do ?

and what would u do if u then realise at death that Jesus is Lord?

faith is key.

source?

mobile phonez

chei. . .where af u been? how is mr red?

dont u know its a polygamous name?

lying and denial?

lolz

where have u been? ow are u?

how can i avoid the swit and switter D?
where av u been? ow are ur wives?

whether men of God or men of satan. . . . .no one is above critcism.

Morover, why should anyone hide under the cloud of God, to commit crimes.
It is permissible in all ramifications to criticise ANYONE.

are u askin me?

Allah is an arabian fraud.