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olabowale:
@Noetic2: « #33 on: Today at 10:43:51 AM » Youbelieve wrongly, because you did not answer my concerns. If you think you did, they were not good enough for me, because it is not specific to 1 God, but it can be used for god (idol), god (idols) or Gods, in addition to just God! And since you claim to have Triun of dieties/Deities/deity/Deity in trinity, namely the persive Holy Ghost God, human Jesus son God and the throned Jehovah father God, I just cant accept any explanation that you provide unless, it logically agrees the three entities separately, first, since you have it in your belief system that father sent son to earth to die, and when he died father was still in His full Godliness, and so was Holy Ghost in his full Godliness.

This simpy means that the two remaining are independent and separate from the dead son, and their Godliness, individually or collectively, were not compromised. That shows to me that they are not 1 and the son was irrelevant to how the creations were ran! This is the constrictor you need to get off yourself before I address the salvation issue.

I cant make a meaning out of the above.

Since you fail so miserably, I will now sell you Islam at the best price, belief/faith in God, without partnership and no animal or human sacrifice needed! Your thrread is now on. And I dismiss this one, your poor salemanship which will bankrupt the best product of any anufacturer, or marketing company.

please open a thread and let me ask u questions about islam.

mazaje:
It is not according to me it is a scientific FACT. . . it has been tested and it has been shown that there is a part o the brain that controls dreams. . .Here are two links for you to read

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/your-brain-on-dreams-the-science-of-dreaming/article24430.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/13200.php

In a study published September 10, 2004, in the online edition of the Annals of Neurology, scientists describe a patient who lost all dreaming, and very little else, following a stroke in one distinct region of the brain, suggesting that this area is crucial for the generation of dreams

Which stranger did you see and what was the stranger doing? How did you know that it was the same person that you saw in your dreams? You made the claim so explain it. . .

It is not an assumption it is a scientific FACT the brain controls all our dreams. . . If you disbelieve what the scientist have said then tell me what part of the body controls the brain. . . .That you had a dream about something and it came to pass does not mean it is spiritual I still maintain that it is coincidental. . . every body regardless of religion, race and faith all experience these things. . . .so you tell me how do all these things come about if not be sheer coincidence?  Explain with scientific and empirical examples. . . .I say its just a coincidence if you disbelieve then give me your scientific verifiable examples. . .

I dont remember saying anything was spiritual or not coincidental.
u said dreams come from the brain and are also coincidental. . .  .you are yet to prove this.

A man has a dream in which he sees a complete stranger, who walks up to him (the dreamer). This stranger is a man of 6ft height, speaks with a scottish accent and of the white race.The man introduces himself as smith and gives the dreamer a 20 pound note.  The event in this dream takes place as EXACTLY dreamed after 3 days.

a. how did the brain come up with physical features of the stranger in the dream?
b. how did the brain come up with name of the stranger?
c. how did the brain conceive the accent and race of this complete accent?

asha 80:
Very backward thinking.

very unreasonable assertion.

All I did was to offer an analysis not an opinion. . . . . .why was that so hard to deduce?

will u be the one to fight the pdp in 2011 when elections start? No civilian governor can have the clout to tame agberos. . , .they are a political asset.

u should know . . . .

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in other words it is a fruitless and less meaningful exercise of no significance. . . . . .is that so?

manmustwac:
Can somebody dream and give me the winning numbers for the next euro lottery?

thou pathetic atheist. . . .so u play euro millions?

mazaje should have the numbers. . .hez the dreamer.

mazaje:
I really do not understand what you are talking about here. . . .

Please explain to me why they are not coincidental. . . . .

So what if you dream about strangers I also have dreams with strangers too, so what are you saying? people dream about every day activities and that includes meeting strangers. . . don't you meet stranger every time you go out? What is so special about stranger appearing in your dream? Dreams are just a series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind which are controlled by our brains during certain stages of sleep.


I can' believe you just said this. . . again a dream is a series if images, ideas,emotions and sensations occurring involuntarily and controlled by our brains when we are asleep usually based on what preoccupies our minds and thoughts. . .doesn't your brain has a place where it stores information (memory)?

No one asked u to define a dream.

since according to u dreams come from the brain. . . how did my brain design a complete stranger in a dream. . . .and I met the same person days later doing the same things as seen in my dream. how did my brain come up with such a detailed analysis of a complete stranger?
why is the question so hard to answer?

What makes them not coincidental? I gave you an example where I was preoccupied with the thoughts of obtaining a visa, I had a dream about it and it coincidentally came to pass. . .Now its up to you to show me that it is not a coincidence and explain to me why it is not. . . .

So why are you trying to imply if you are not trying to appeal to the supernatural what then is your own explanation for dreams that come true?

I am yet to define or state where dreams come from. . . .all we are doing is to analyse ur assumptions.
so please explain scientifically or otherwise. . . . , How EXACTLY are dreams coincidental?

Krayola2:
@Noetic. . .did jesus refer to himself as "christ", or was that a title used to refer to him, by SOME of his followers, after his death?

read john 17:3

olabowale:
And noetic2 is angry that Elohim is a wholesale name for gods or Gods in a particular semitic language. He was not ashamed that he used the same wholesale methology to cheapen what it means by the muslims when they say Allah!

What is shameless about his conscience is that he forgot that Moses spoke Egyptian coptic language and what the medians spoke since thats where he ran to, and the children of Israel in coptic bondage could not have had a language of their own different from what the slave masters used, otherwise they would have used that private language to undermine the masters, the exact same thing that the whites feared about africans who finally lost their languages and cultures and worse their names!

I believe that ur concerns with regards to ELOHIM have been answered.

whats stopping u from opening a new thread to sell islam to me?

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posakosa:
goood. classes began. How are you ? missed u a lot too!

dont tell me u are in the states already? whaoooo

@ topic

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tubabie:
Have you forgotten , you sent him 3weeks ago when you had a late meeting?

that was a pleasant encounter. . .but i tot that was a secret. . . . .u promised not to tell

tubabie:
^^^^Noetic is she yours?

what do u think?

posakosa:
Neotic..

ow have u been? missed u a lot . . . . .

mazaje:
Its your own dogmatic beliefs that have no evidence that never cease to amaze me.

just like ur compatriots, u keep mixing the credibility of evidences with acceptance or beliefs in evidences.
my beliefs may be dogmatic, but to claim that there are no evidences to back them up is like stating that eggs do not come from chickens. . .we all know how ridiculous that sounds.

Sure you need a brain to dream without one you can never dream at all, even animals have dreams and that is a fact. . .

No one is contesting the capacity to dream. . . .the bone of contention is ur FALSE claim that dreams regardless of their accuracy and consistency are coincidental.

This is false people don't dream about people they have never meet completely with full descriptions, have you ever had a dream about a person living in china whom you have never meet before and you meet him and recognized him\her as the person you meet in your dream? people mostly dream about events and activities around them. . . .people dream about strangers all the time because people meet stranger all the time. You have to give me an example of a person that had a dream about a total stranger and he\she was able to recognize the stranger as the person he\she meet in their dreams. . . . no hear say stories pls. . .

what are u talking about? have u ever seen my dreams before? I have seen complete strangers in my dreams before and so have countless millions of others.
so why dont u explain how my brain was able to capture a being I have never set my eyes on before? why are u running round in circles?

Can you give scintific examples? Here say stories will not be accepted. . . scientific studies alone will do

how did my brain capture the thoughts and accents of the characters in my dreams? and here u are busy crying for scientific evidences. . . oh mazaje

I have had some dreams that saw the light of the day and so many many others that did not. . . it was all a coincidence, so many people all over the world regardless of race or religion all have their dreams come to pass at one time or the other. Its now up to you to[b] show me how the supernatural controls dreams[/b] and make them come to pass with empirical examples. . .your answers are being awaited. . . .

1. you were the one who made a FALSE claim that dreams are coincidental. u are yet to prove it.
how did my brain capture a complete stranger in a strange environment?

2. I have not mentioned anything about the supernatural or have i?

bindex:
Ok can you show where it is written that Elohim is a trinity in the OT or where the OT god says he is a trinity in the OT. I just gave you the definitions of Elohim according to the word in Hebrew and the Canaanite language which are all the same and you are calling me an ignorant person?

that would not be necessary, cos we already know two things

1. from ur definition post that ELOHIM refers to the plural of ELOHA. . .meaning more than one.

2. ELOHIM is used to refer to ONE God in the bible.

The deductions from the above are pretty obvious. . .arent they?

I am sure tubabie will like to see this

@ topic

A sure Yes

denying slap

tubabie knows that this is the same line u give all ur wives u loff them equally
remember I am ur lawyer and ur will is with me. . . .so I know whats in it
why are u denying ur status?

bindex:
Elohim refers to the entire pantheon of the Canaanite gods and is used as to refer to god and gods by the ancient jews. What do you mean that Elohim is the trinity? Go tell that to a Jew if he doesn't slap your mouth for blasphemy.

This is officially called ILLITERACY and IGNORANCE.

from ur own post, it is obvious that there are several definitions of the term ELOHIM. . . .as used by different speakers.
All u have done is to pick out one this terms. . . . .how EXACTLY does this definition of urs dispute/discredit the trinity definition?

olabowale:
@Noetic2: « #17 on: Today at 07:16:29 PM »  Correct. Thats why am asking you questions, leading to what I need to know.

So which one spoke to Moses in the Burning Bush, and what happened to th other two, since it was a Singular voice that Moses heard, not using we but I? Who guided Abraham, and who lead Noah to safety and who created Adam, then Eve, who created the Angels and all things? The three or just One Single God without any other? If two were not created, is there a way that any God can say that he is the Sole Creator?

absolutely irrelevant. Its called a triune God.

i have heard it before. if you correct, then the speaker God, who is speaker to two other Gods, will have the same physical shape as the other two, and man now their "Image" will have their Physical shape, smaller if you will, but same shape. Now you said that the Ghost is in human shape and also the father is in human shape?

Please explain.

And since you asked me the question, who was the speaker talking to since he used we, I will give you my own explanation.

this is pure semantics and subseuently irrelevant.

Olayiwola is probably in your age group. If I were to talk to him to let him know about my royal blood or my fatherliness over him, I may say in yoruba about myself "awani baba e, or awa ni oko iya e ki won to bie", and the english translation of of them are "We are your father "or" we used to be your mother's husband before you were born." This is Olabs (your nickname for me) who was talkingabout himself, ddescribing himself only to his almost himself a father son!" If We can use this majestic pronoun(s) I am sure you dont expect less less of The One True God, unless you have bunches of demigods!


Since the Speaker did not ask permission from anyone, I am sure that He was capable of handling the Issue all alone. In my understranding, the text of the conversation was not as you said it is. It is "I am going to create a viceroy for the earth." The angels heard their Creator, their Lord God, Who was always and is always complete.  The word was what they heard. Word means Voice. Angels, from anong them is Gabreil. You do know about gabreil, the one you know told some woman that she will have a child? No?

have u run out of questions? this is disgraceful.

why not open a thread to sell me islam if u can. . . . .

can anyone tell me?

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which sand? do u think she does not know that u are a polygamist? ask her?

bindex:
Please will you stop lying, Who told you that Elohim is the trinity? Is there anything like the trinity in Judaism? Elohim simply refers to gods its the plural of El and El means god.

just look at ur own post:

it acts as a singular noun in Hebrew grammar (see next section), and is then generally understood to denote the single God of Israel
though morphologically it consists of the Hebrew word Eloah (אלוה) with a plural suffix

from the above we can deduce two things.

1. Elohim is used to denote a single God.

2. Elohim is a plural word. . .referring to more than one.

That should tell anyone that the TRINITY is ONE but has three entities that form one. why is this so hard for u to gasp?

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how are all ya wives?

ur legendary folly never cease to amaze me.
for instance,
So the brain brings the image of strangers involved in an incident with u. . . . .in a dream.
and this dream eventually comes to pass.

some posers
a. since the people in the dream are complete strangers, how did the brain get their accurate image?

b. how did the brain conceive and conceptualize their thoughts? the event itself? their accent and intentions?

c. how did the brain bring this dream to reality?

ur answers are being awaited . . . .