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henrolevra:
Any sound stocks in mind?

Ecobank (ETI)

I own it and I am here to pump it to the heavens

Mpeace:
When you see GTCO at 86 start buying.

Based on what, Because 86 is an even number?

shalomblue:
I am so sure some people are already manipulating penny stocks.
Just pick one without fundamentals and begin to sell hope.
Follow the 'Ellah' route by using social media,stockbrokers and market sentiment.

Una really grow up in the era of crypto. Make una continue

ositadima1:


It is very easy to dismiss and negate an idea—very, very easy. Many stocks would have delivered good returns. Take Ellah Lakes, for example. I saw it when it was at ₦3, dipping every now and then below that level. If I had drawn the line at ₦3, I could have taken any supply below while selling each time it gained 5–10%.

There are many stocks in that category because they had either solid fundamentals or strong speculative hope—not just any random stock. Ellah is not the only one. Go and check the charts and you’ll see a number of stocks that maintained a floor until a rally eventually broke them out to the upside.

Of course, there is risk, but that risk is mitigated through careful selection and by working within a narrow buy-sell window. Anyway, I already know from this thread that you all have one way of thinking, and anything outside that must be considered wrong without critical justification. Please continue—your way is the only viable way.

Firstly what you are suggesting is either a pump and dump scheme or a mutual fund. Running the first is illegal and doing the second without a license is also illegal.

Agbalowomeri:
Na only full offers you go get. You will see endless dumping on you

You for leave am make e start the matter na.

Lofty1000:
Understand this game joor, you will really do!!!
See the price of gtco, zenith, nb, ngx, dangcem, pz, and watch out for uacn today and tomorrow...........
You will really get it, as if the market is running away....,you will come back to tell us here. Keep Locolizing!!! Keep finding support!!!
We are all here, you'll come back to tell us your story.

I think what we can do here if we want to keep making money is to gather together and agree together on a sound stock together and be sure that we have enough fund to pull a stock together
Everyone here together, no more fighting and then we should agree on entry price and exit price of a beautiful stock with solid fundamentals together, no more junks we are not a junk community. We go in and carry every one along together targeting 100% a MONTH or 50% every 2 weeks each time. And then come out together on an agreed price with calculated volume and exit together

With sincere transparency. We can do this in bull and bear market together, that way every body will be happy together and we can build a strong community of wealth together. So you think japaul will not get to 5 and cwg 24, mecure 25, Honeywell 35, ngx 120, nb 150, international breweries 20 by this month if we support each other We have the fund together but we are not supporting each other together and we have forgetting that we are in thesame community together, so what's the advantage of the community we are in together


Word for taught and action immediately
Let's the leaders of the group go now and find us beautiful stocks with solid fundamentals in the market like cwg, tip, uacn, nb and we can start accumulating before Friday, that way we will shot by monday never looking back and come down by the month end with 50% together.

Are we ready??

Na me go first betray the group. I'll start buying just before you buy and sell just before you sell.

pluto09:
https://punchng.com/ellah-lakes-to-plant-1500-hectares-of-oil-palm/

What is the rush? This constant starting up of new ventures without letting previous ones mature is very risky

ogoo4real:
Does anyone have an idea why banking stocks are falling drastically

Some people need to pay school fees

crownprince2017:
Some of us can remember how some people bombarded this place with plenty sweet words about aradel when listed on ngx, they even gave us a time line despite some people telling us about the dilution they were coming with.

What is the story today, I'm not saying the fundamentals of the company is bad but to point out the fact that nobody can time the market and also numbers are not the only thing that determines selling price of a stock.

Why would someone speak authoritatively as if they know the direction of the Market.

We were all in this market when people were running away from Julius Berger not quite long at sub 30s what is the price today.
Make una stop feeling invincible.

Unless it is a government privatizing a company I no dey touch IPO. If you like spin like ballerina, na look I go dey look you

hallysonia:
This question came right in time.

Currently, all my portfolios except Jaiz are red. Even the Jaiz self has reduced in return.

I have the following (with current return at -2.0% of the total money invested):

ABCTRANS bought at 5.42 - bought because I read a positive new about the company.

ARADEL bought at 528.53 - bought because the value is close to all-time low and based on technical/fundamental analysis

DS bought at 63.62 - bought because it is increasing, but didn't sell because it still has a strong fundamental

JAIZ bank bought at 4.53 - bought because I believe the bank will do well in the future

BUA Cement bought at 178.25 - ought because it is increasing. I didnt realize it was close to all time high

TRANSCORP bought at 52.70 - bought because it has a strong fundamental.

My plan is starting with 1.2million, but I have realized that these would turn into dust if care is not taken. How I wish I had read some previous conversion before making my investment decision.

Pa Emma, I was touched by your statement about "smart people learn from expert experience and those who want to learn from personal experience will suffer the most." Not that I'm learning based on my personal experience, but I can't factor out the fact that a 3 weeks old potential investor like me should be very patient. That I have money does not mean I have to make a wary investment decision.

megawealth2, come to my aid, edakun. You once said something about POVERTY and PROUDNESS. I am not proud o.

Streetinvestor2, nosa2, EDUCO, and others. E help wa.

PS:
1. I am potential investor, not really a trader. Currently running my PhD (Maths and Stat) in graduate school, so I don't have time for daily trading.
2. I am not interested in an interest based banks, breweries industries, gambling/lotto industry as well.

Apology for my brevity in typing..
Ali

If you're not buying banks right now stay out of the market. But we should be having this convo on my side

austinkenneth:
Thanks.I have been waiting patiently, for weeks, for someone to point out this obvious dilution effect.

Why must somebody point it out. When it happens the EPS will point it out

unite4real:
I hope some are not viewing the N250 billion as a grant.

The massive dilution effects should be heavily considered. Then the extreme patience for both top and bottom lines to make sense

Dilution will hopefully come with substantially increased earnings na

emmanuelewumi:
But I doubt if it will be up to N72 billion.

The talk of N72 billion was due to the guy who said the stock price would get to N100 and said for that to be justified Ellah must make a revenue of N72 billion, profit after tax of N36 billion and EPS of N10

We don't know the potential earnings of the mill so we can't judge. It's unfair to use the N70m as a basis because business just dey start.

Let the real business start then you can judge how big the business will be. According to the trust interview they won't hit Max earnings till 4 years time. So time still dey

emmanuelewumi:
The question intelligent investors should be asking themselves is how long will it take for Ellah Lakes revenue to increase from the current N100 million per annum to over N72 billion per annum

There will be substantial revenue increase in the next 4 years. Listen to the Twitter interview

SonofElElyonRet:

Time will tell.. Ellah will be hoooooge... despite the shortcomings of management.. which will be substantially remedied.. as time goes on

I like the management oh. I pretty much one everything about the company, I just know, based on what management has said, that the journey is still far

crownprince2017:
Its so interesting seeing people feeling like the gods of the market.
What will you expect from someone that sold his Ella at 4 just because he believed it will turn back and never return, saying the same thing at 19 even though he regretted for selling at 4.

I wondered how people come here to predict the market they had no control over, I know at 10 you would have told the person that bought at that price the same thing.

A company we are yet to have metrics to value can swing up the way we never imagined if the valuation is more than what the majority are imagining and do the other way round as well when the reality hit the market.

Well, many of you will still eat your words when the price go above 20 like you have done in the past.

Ella is at the point that a news could change everything, people speculating are not stupid.

Every possibility is open here and that is the reality.

I'm not getting sucked into this nonsense

SonofElElyonRet:
Till Ellah begins to make profit and pay dividends. At that stage you'll be chasing the bus at km 100

I know a guy who bought Okomu at N11 and sold for N70. Be used the proceed to buy a house in Katampe in Abuja. House he is currently living in with his wife.

Now the guy that bought from him at N70 has also made money of he is still holding.

My point is, I don't need to get in at the bottom in order to make money from a company. You buy now, I buy later, we will all make money.

Market no dey close tomorrow. I'm comfortable buying at a higher price of I get more clarity on what I am buying.

Investing is not a team sport.

SonofElElyonRet:
Well, guess you are the milder version of EDUECO
Cinder-Ellah will prove you wrong

I'm the milder version of me. I like the potential of the company but I know THE JOURNEY IS STILL FAR.

The Twitter interview was very revealing but very few people actually heard what he said . They listened but they didn't hear

emmanuelewumi:
Check out the Math. Current equity is less than N25 billion, but want to raise N250 billion.

Probably people who invest in the planned N250 billion public offer, will own 45% of the business.

I don't think intelligent investors will buy that although we have more of emotional and unintelligent investors in the market

The best bet is for them to have a right offer, but I know that can't work. Because most of the current shareholders are looking for a greater fool. So a right offer can't fly

My brother dey relax watch the movie. When it's time to buy we will know.

Agbalowomeri:
How sure are you that we are not already at the top?

I don't think we are yet at the top for the entire market. I suspect we will witness rotation to unloved stocks

SonofElElyonRet:
Not likely.. not when they are raising N250b and plan to acquire a "significant agricultural asset". There's bound to be good news at many junctions along the journey

You guys really don't get it Sha. The N250b will be shared amongst more mouths na. So each share will be with a lot less in the short term

Anyway I'm not here to teach or argue. Market will teach everyone

emmanuelewumi:
It took our banks took our banks 18 to 19 years to attain the All Time High stock prices they had between 2006 and 2007

Dem never know where Dem dey

SonofElElyonRet:
It will have another rally . Just a matter of time. Another good news is on the way

That's a possibility. It's also very possible we would not touch N19 for another 10 years.

austinkenneth:
They question then becomes whether they can stomach these losses without going into panic mode.

Some of the people that FOMOed into Ellah at N19 are having deep meaningful conversations with themselves.

Agbalowomeri:
Some will panic-sell, only to see the stock prices bounce back and even past their loss position. I think they will recover in the next general bull.

Just that if you lose 50%, you will need a 100% gain to return back to the break even position

The game is the game. And God knows I love this game

emmanuelewumi:
You should crunch the figures.

ROE is not reliable because it does not include the debt portion of the capital structure.

Eg

A company made a profit after tax of N10 billion, finance cost is N4billion equity is N20 billion and and debt is N30 billion.

This will give invested capital of N50 billion .

The return on equity will be N10 billion/N20 billion multiplied by 100 to give ROE of 50%

ROIC will be N14 billion/N50 billion multiplied by 100 to give ROIC of 28%

I disagree with this. Want you're saying is that leverage is bad and I believe leverage is good.

HesInMe:
I really wish you'd stop talking about loans for stock investing on this public forum.

Borrowing at high double digits to bet on stocks is a bad idea for most people. And by bad, I mean ruinous, you-become-someone-else's-bitch, dem-curse-you-for-village? bad.

Don't do this at home, kids. This is not your turn to shine (or whatever marketing trick they use to seduce you).

There is nothing wrong with borrowing to buy stocks. Just make sure you know what you're doing and you're not FOMOing into the market

emmaodet:
How do someone have access to an interest-free loan?

Ask bank of Daddy and mummy

Agbalowomeri:
They are all a one-off devaluation effect

From 2005 to 2022, how many banks have done 2 baggers in 17 years?

Past performance is not indictive of future performance.

Nigeria's future will be very different from it's past

Agbalowomeri:
Lol the market don level those ones wey rugged. Me na money I come snatch from Mr. Market.

Some people come play casino

Streetinvestor2:
They will say is because u are no longer in the bus and want the price cheaper so u can enter again..lol

"They" need to learn that a 50 kobo stock that earns 5 kobo per share is more expensive than a N1000 that earns N500 per share.

Price is just a number

emmanuelewumi:
Personally, I don't want to believe the revenue figures quoted by Ellah Lakes.

I believe it is higher than that.

Micro and smaller businesses are generating more N70 million revenue in 9 months

Sense is slowly coming back into the building