₦airaland Forum

MayorofLagos:
The children of Okun need to make this call repetitive and loud. Bring up a media campaign on Social Media and be heard. One thread in 6months talking about the desire to carve a broad Yoruba Commonwealth encompassing from Lagos to Lokoja will not be enough. The campaign must be consistent and engaging.

One problem i have observed with Okun people is that most of them are living, residing and were born in Kaduna, Kano, Jos, Lagos and Ilorin.
Many Okun adults today have never stepped their feet in their villages. They seem to hardly travel home.

Okuns are arguably the most intelligent and educated people in the North. The questions you guys need to ask them is, why don't they come back and develop Kabba?

And you guys should stop all that bull crap of Marginalization. Kogi is a relatively poor and young state. Igalas have been marginalizing everybody else until now. Okuns produce deputy governors, Senators, Speakers, comissioners and other juicy positions in the state. Why then is Ebira land (Okene for instance) far more developed than Okun land?

pazienza:
How can a human being who is agitating for a non Viable dry Okun state open up his mouth and call Anioma, a place full of rich human resources and mineral resources non viable?

Why are these people this slimy?

Okun and most Kogi areas are very very rich mineral rescources and with a larger land mass compared to Anioma.

9jakool:
Oh YES it could be Lokoja. If you have taken anything from this thread, you would know that many Yorubas want a homogenous Okun State. No need to fret. Ok? Like you said, those ethnic groups cannot join and the Okun don't want them to join either. The Yoruba parts of Lokoja will be ceded to Okun state. Not a single Okun territory will be left behind in creation of an Okun state.

Hahahaha, Lokoja my foot. That means they don't want their so called Okun state. Yorubas want to fight with the North na'im be that oo.
You think the Nupe emirates, Ebiras, all Kogi people and the entire north will watch Okuns take Lokoja away to South-west? Especially that new Federal govt. Univeristy in Felele? What a big dream.

FYI, the Nupes are also fighting for Edu state, and they want Lokoja to be part of the state too.

Yorubas should just forget about ever having any inch of Ilorin or Lokoja in the South-west, you have to face the Sokoto caliphate first because both cities are traditionally under the Sokoto caliphate rulership.

9jakool:
I did not mention those ethnic groups because I'm not daft supremacist nor am I looking for petty arguments. I know those ethnic groups have more legitimacy over Lokoja. I mentioned the Hausa and Igala, because any claim of ownership by these two groups is completely illegitimate.



FYI, I'm familiar with Lokoja, the Kakandas are not native to the city. Kankada district of Lokoja LGA is actually far from the city of Lokoja. Before you reach Lokoja city from Kakanda district which is tucked away in the Niger border far away from the confluence, you have to pass through Oworo. However, I know that some like Nupe-Tako (Bassa Nge) have more claim to the city as they were one of the first to settle in Lokoja.

Yeah, well, the point still remains that there was never no need for you to mention Hausas or Igalas claiming Lokoja, cos they never had and never will.

Lokoja is a property of Okun yorubas, Ebira-koto and Nupe speakers, but as it is, i'd say Nupe speakers seem to have the upper hand traditionally n on influence. Okuns seem to have the larger land area while Ebira-koto seem to have the numbers/population.

MayorofLagos:
Did Kabba exist before British arrival? What is their history before arrival of the foreigner?

Yes i think Kabba existed before British arrival as the name of a place. The british then used it in naming the province. Okuns were not the only people under Kabba province. I think Ebiras, Ogori-magongo and some Kwara yorubas/Kogi nupe speakers were classified under Kabba province.

The only thing i can say about Kabba or Okun history was the fact that they and the Ebiras were heavily raided by Nupe-fulani jihadists, many of them enslaved (apparently, this was the reason they were classified as northerners instead of Southerners, cos the Nupe emirates made the British believe they were subject to them).
Okuns believed to have migrated from Ife. So, you can read up on their history.

MayorofLagos:
Gari is Hausa term for township. Maigari, Head of Township, is an equivalent of Baale in Yoruba. What is Nupe term for Township, is it Gari? In core Nupe cities are Head of Townships also named Maigari?

I am from the North Central and fluent in Hausa language, so i don't think i need the hausa lessons. Lol

Im my own tribe and in my hometown, among our traditional rulers, we have the Hakimis, Ciromas, Waziris and all the Hausa titles you can think of, but we are not hausas and we were never conquered by Hausas, we only copied Hausa kingship systems from Bauchi emirate whom we were subject to during colonial period (by virtue of the British colonial indirect rule system).

Nupes have these Hausa kingship titles too. Even Auchi in Edo state have some Hausa kingship titles too, let alone the Nupe speaking tribes of Lokoja who are subject to Bida emirate.

It's obvious you are yoruba. If you were from the North or middlebelt, you would never have argued on this.

Zoolezoo:
But na waa o.
Why did the Nupes allow Hausa customs and mannerisms to erase so much of their uniqueness like this?
I always knew the Hausa talk in Lokoja was all Bullshit anyways.

Nupes were conquered by Fulanis (not through war but by deception/usurpation) just like the Ilorin people were.
So, overtime, they have been heavily mixed with Hausa-fulanis.
However, the Hausa-fulani settlers in Nupe land (who are most people of the royal houses) were completely Nupenized linguistically, but the strong influence is still visible.

almarthins:
Mid west jare. If u follow Nigerian news smtimes u will just miss some facts. I asked sm old men who know the geography well. And they confirmed kabba as part of Midwest. As for okun well God go help dem o!

No pls. Kabba was never part of the south. It has always been part of the Northern protectorate/region since British colonial masters came.

The Bida emirate made the colonial masters believe that they had already annexed Okunland and it was already in their control, when this was partially true. Yes the Nupe jihadists kept on raiding Okun land, but they never fully captured it.

9jakool:
I've seen some claim, especially online.

What do you think the capital of a proposed Okun state should be? Kabba? Lokoja?

It cannot be Lokoja because the Ebira koto, Kakanda and Bassa indigenes of Lokoja LGA will not join Okun state.

MetaPhysical:
Hausa was never indigenous to Lokoja. Hausas were refugees in Lokoja. The deposed Sarkis and Barons in Hausaland were driven South to the river basins by their Fulani conquerors. When British came to colonize they met resistance with the Fulani Emirs. They in turn were deposed and driven South to a refuge area in the basin and under the watchful eyes of the colonial administrators.

Lokoja was a tributary of Old Oyo. Old Oyo fell much after the first wave of deposed rulers sent Southward. So Hausa were guests and subjects under Yoruba dominion in Lokoja. By the time of the British establishment, Old Oyo had fell to Fulani. Our hold on Lokoja were not as resolute as before. After the second deposition and Fulani Emirs joined their Hausa kins in Lokoja Islam grew and overtook the city further cutting back Yoruba hold.

During successive military rule North consolidated their hold on Lokoja and brought in new settlements to dilute the Yoruba enclaves. We lost three important cities to the political North, Ilorin, Katunga and Lokoja. Ilorin and Katunga through war, Lokoja through our own self doing. Till today, the Yoruba ruler, Olu of Oworo is independent and does not pay homage to the Hausa ruler in Lokoja.

We are very prodigal and careless politically. Omoluabi has dwindled away our fortunes.

If I may add, river basins are naturally blessed for agriculture and commerce. Lokoja is a prime location, even moreso than Ilorin...but we failed to see the worth. If we are not careful, in another 50 to 100 yrs we will be completely irrelevant in Lokoja culture and politics.

The Maigari of Lokoja is subject to the Etsu Nupe Bida. He is more of a Nupe king in a Nupe speaking settlement than he is Hausa.

9jakool:
I also agree that Lokoja is an Oworo town, especially judging by how it's mainly sorrounded by other Oworo settlements. Lokoja is surrounded to the North and West by Oworo people and to the East by the Niger river. The only border that's neither an Oworo nor a geographical border is the Southern border which is Ebira.


The Igala claim to the Lokoja is futile as the Igala actually largely settled on the Eastern bank of the Niger. The closest areas to Lokoja across the Niger is occupied by Bassa-komo, Bassa-Nge, and Ebira Koto peoples in Bassa lga, which is the local government area directly east of Lokoja. There are no Igala lgas that border Lokoja lga at all.

I think the weakest claim to the city is the one by Hausas. The obvious reason is because Hausaland in Nigeria is limited to the core north and Lokoja does not form a contiguous border with Hausaland. Also the name Lokoja phonetically is odd in Hausa. In the Hausa language, the open "O" found in LOkOja is absent in Hausa language; the "O" in Hausa is more closed and similar to the "O" in Ocean.

Anyways, I believe the Okun can stand alone as a state. The population of Okunland in Kogi state as of now should be between 1-1.5 million. If you also include Okun(Yagba) towns in Kwara like Eruku and Koro as well as other Okun towns in Northeastern Ekiti state like Aiyede, Itapaji, etc and I think(i don't know) to an extent to the border parts of Akoko Ondo; then an inclusive Okun state can have a population that approaches 2 million. I think this is enough for a state. Size is also not a problem because as of now, the Okunland in Kogi alone is larger than Ekiti state and it's comparable in size to Osun state and that's not including the Okun territories outside of Kogi.

Igalas never lay claim to Lokoja. They have no land boundary with the city whatsoever.

How come you did not talk about the Kakanda, Kupa and other Nupe speakers of Lokoja?
Hausas can only lay claim to Lokoja through the Nupes (Kakanda). The Maigari of Lokoja is a subject of the Etsu Nupe.

mtis:
Dude ya missing the point..Many blacks live in the projects..the guys ya just listed are really few compared to the total AA population

Many whites live in trailer parks. Or are we saying there are no poorer whites? The AA have been improving over the years and that's what matters.

TayserMahiri:
All West Africans

But i tot you guys, mtis and muafrika2 were celebrating the legacy of the descendants of Kenyan Kamba slaves in the Americas?

Now, we all know that the difference between African-americans, Afro-carribeans & Afro- latinos was a boat stop. So, definitely, Kenya is in.

Afterall, not all the Nigerian or west african tribes engaged in slave trade or were sold as slaves.

mtis:
You an music industry..why not talk about IT or medicine or top ranking ceos in Forbes 500..

Why not talk about sports?

Everyone wants to be Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Muhammed Ali, Kobe Bryant, Floyd Mayweather, Kobe Bryant, James Lebron. Not to talk of how much all the white ladies dream of these guys and will give almost anything in the world to be with em

Kirigidi:
As I have said earlier, the name BANTU does not implies tribal classification, rather BANTU is a sub-division of the BLACK RACE used to call black people of Central, Eastern and Southern Africa. Likewise the name NEGRO is a sub-division of the BLACK RACE used to address people of West Africa. Just as all Kenyans are BANTUS so also all tribes in Nigeria [with exception of the Fulanis and Shuwa-Arabs] are NEGROES.

Bantu is not an ethnicity, i know, but it closely defines a group of related african people with similar languages and a not too distant evolution period.
Bantu ethnicities evolution is relatively closer in time to other West african or Horn african ethnicities evolution.

This is why many/ most Bantu languages are still very much mutually intelligible all the way from East to South to Central Africa.

Now, how intelligible are Yoruba and Hausa languages? Considering they are just like a stonethrow from each other compared to Kenyan and South African Bantu languages?

mtis:
Sometimes is not about the number its how well you play ya cards

Well, let's wait if the East African federation ever becomes a reality. Let's see how powerful the Kikuyus would be then.

Oh, no, that wouldn't be fair, if only Ethiopia and Somalia were in the equation. I would like to see Kikuyus dominate all the tens of millions of Somalis, Amharas and Oromos in one country.

mtis:
Ah didn't see that coming.. so officially Nowenuse is a nigga an am not....nigga nigga nigga nigga...

Are these same niggas not the ones dominating American music industry today? And you have all manners of white girls screaming and dying just to touch them.

Lotta Niggas making us proud.

Maduawuchukwu:
Nnamdi Kanu has a good support Base but majority are fickle. The flock to him because of Buharis actions. They will leave him soon most likely as his actions are beginning to go against many of their interests like the no- election in Anambra mantra. The guy is on his way down together with Buhari.

Well, let's watch and see. But with the kind of vigour those ipob members exude, i doubt they will ever leave Nnamdi. Can't you see some people bowing to him?
Igbos are the last group of people to bow or worship anyone from their history, but Nnamdi disproved this.

mtis:
Now that is what I don't understand serious.... Its like they want us to go back to stoneage then start all over again

Noo metissa dear , you ladies can continue with your Blanket, tea n biscuit picnics. If that is what rocks your little boats pinkky pinkky ~~~

obaaderemi:
I think they need to complete the square by adding biscuit.BLANKET,TEA AND BISCUIT.

Hahahaha . Blanket, tea n biscuit. Lol

Like this @mtis, TayserMahiri et al

TayserMahiri:
Heeee Nowe, I will sponsor you for the debut of the First Blankets and Wines in Kigali, Rwanda on AUG 27, 2017.

https://www.blanketsandwine.com/

mtis:
Serious Nowe ya kinda like this Blanket an wine thingy..welcome to Kenya then..

Hey, tea-loving ladies.... If i wanna watch pretty ladies drinking tea in picnics, i would rather go to Europe or East Asia where i can get the best tea flavours.

I can't waste my time and money to go watch ugly-assed Kenyans drinking annual tea

Maduawuchukwu:
If you think that Nnamdi Kanu can divide Nigeria then you are kidding. Does he have the resources or support to do so? The guy is most likely building a political Base with the way he is framing himself as a spiritual figure.

I am not Igbo, but i think i like Nnamdi Kanu and what he stands for. Despite the fact that he is seccessionist, he is bringing a kind of revolution in Nigeria among the youths. Exactly what we needed to tell our elites and elders, enough is enough. We need a change of govt!

Nnamdi has won the heart of the Igbo masses (although, majority whom are not reasonable and well enlightened Igbos). However, many Igbo intelligentsia and enlightened youths and even middle aged and elderly people are gradually buying his idea.

TayserMahiri:
We aint sissies like Nowe and we are full blooded AFRIKANA

Now, if not white sissies, tell me which proud African man should brag about BLANKET & TEA picnics as a source of national heritage? Huh?

Muafrika2:
You haven't lived in a war zone. Its your friend, pastor, neighbour who ensures you are eliminated. They know you best, and they know your ethnicity,

I have never lived in a war zone, so, i take it that you Kenyans have experienced war or crises more than Nigerians ??

TayserMahiri:
Why are those whiteys copying our Maasai blankets?

Cos you guys pseudo-europeans and you all are sisters in Tea n blanket gathering.

Muafrika2:
Most African tribes had Kings. And enemy kingdoms. Get over yourself sis,

List the Kingdoms & empires that existed in present day Kenya alone pls, am waiting.

Nigeria had the

Kanem-Bornu empire
Benin empire
Oyo empire
Sokoto caliphate
Hausa kingdoms
Kwararafa kingdom
Igala kingdom
Nri kingdom
Borgu kingdom
Nupe kingdom
Numerous emirates e.t.c

TayserMahiri:
Before I joined NL I was for a united Nigeria. Now I am so much pro BIAFRAAAAA

And how does your opinion counts?

realjoker:
you are also wrong on this. Don't let your emotion and half truth being peddle around by liepod yoots becloud the realities facing you. Nigeria was govern as separate colony before its amalgamation in 1914 even after its amalgamation each region govern itself separately till the first coup took place which truncate regional settings. If we are to go by reality meant on ground the Northern colony is the marginalized colony during colonial era if you compare the number of schools, hospitals, infrastructures, operational mining industries in defunct northern and Southern colony the whites left behind, which is still terrorizing the entire defunct northern colony till today.

The current settings is skewed no doubt but blaming the white man is a disservice to sane minds.

Many of the schools, hospitals and infrastructures in colonial Southern Nigeria were built by Christian missionaries whom the islamic northern elites rejected. So, whose fault was it?

mtis:
First its called blankets and wine idiot ..second WT butt is metissa.

I wanted to curse in French but last time got banned for using french for freaking reason I don't know

Hey now don't be a bad girl Metissa (uh uhn uhn)

Metissa & TashaMaria (the pseudo European ladies) why don't you ladies go have tea as usual? Aren't you girls famished already? Hey, the tea blanket looks very Kenyan, like the masai shuka (just as you ladies like it). .....now, don't be bad girls okaaaay..... Lol

TayserMahiri

realjoker:
Lol... you are 1000% wrong on India religion. Hinduism is the majority followed by Islam but there are many more religions in India than Nigeria, we are talking about a country of more than 1.31 billion people. if a religion is 1% of India population alone that is about 14 million people which is more than the population of most countries. India is a homogeneous country and it is the 3rd largest Muslim country by population in the entire world even though it is a Muslim minority country.

Hey man, i can't believe you are confusing population for percentage. Lol

Take the largest tribe in Kenya for instance, the Kikuyus (about 12 million people), they are like the most feared tribe in Kenya, dominating almost everyone. Now, if you bring that tribe to Nigeria, do you think they can withstand Nigeria's big 3 tribes? They would have been a minority tribe in Nigeria.

With all the influence the approx 50 million Hausa-fulanis have in Nigeria, if you take them to India, can they withstand the population of ethnic groups like the Hindis, Bengalis, Punjabis, Kannadas or Tamils with about 100 - 400 million people each?

What relevance will 140 million Indian muslims have in a country of almost 1 billion Hindus? The Hindus can do almost whatever they like with the muslims politically

TayserMahiri:
You got it wrong. Some Kenyan ethnic groups like the Luhya had the Wanga Kingdom and tribes were often feuding with each other. Kikuyu and Maasai for instance fought many wars before the British came.

I understand you but hey bro, let's be realistic, you cannot compare smaller tribes tribal wars with wars of complete conquests and perpetual subjugation by many empires, Kingdoms and Caliphates. No, no, no!

Ask the Ethiopians to tell you more about this. They would understand better.

Kirigidi:
Don't even go there! Nigeria is not a mate to India when it comes to religions. India is the mother of diverse religions. Several major religions practiced in different parts of the world today originated from India, namely; Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism. Besides, Islam, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Baha'i Faith are widely practiced in India. Indians don't worship the same entities, and the feud between Hinduism and Islam within India is still there! Ghana is not an Akan country. The people of Northern half of Ghana are not Akans. Akan influence is concentrated in the Southern part [Ashanti, Fante, Axim]. Even at that, Akan is not one ethnic group. Rather, Akan is a conglomerate of closely-related tribes which include the Ashanti, Fante, etc. There are other major tribes in Ghana such as the G-Adangbe [who own the Capital City Accra], the Moshi, Manprussi [both found in the North] and the Ewe [found in the Eastern part [Ho, Volta]. What you should have said is that the Akans are the majority in Ghana. Moreover, Islam is major religion in Northern Ghana. In the case of Kenya, Bantu is neither a tribe nor a language. Rather, Bantu is a sub-division of the Black race just as Negro is a sub-division of the Black race. You should know that virtually all the black people in West Africa [apart from the Fulanis and the Tuaregs] are grouped as Negroes, likewise virtually all the black people in East, Central and Southern Africa are known as Bantu. In otherwords, Igbo, Yoruba, Bini, Urhobo, Nupe, Akan, Mossi, Mende, Mandingoes are all Negro tribes, while Kikuyu, Kamba, Acholi, Alur, Kikongo, Lingala, etc are Bantu tribes.

India has many religions, i do not dispute, however, the Hindus are the overwhelming majority! Many others like the minority Sikkhism, Jainism e.t.c are also very similar to Hinduism. This was why during the partitioning of India, all the other religions were classified on one side and Islam on the other side. And in the division of Punjabi region for instance, the Sikhs and Hindus were very glad to fight side by side against the muslims, cos they saw themselves as one!

Now, talking about Ghana, is there any much difference is saying ''Ghana is predominantly Akan'' and ''Akan is the dominant ethnic group in Ghana''?
I know of the other minority groups in Ghana, and i know the Akans are a cluster of groups. See, if not for the colonial efforts of the British to unite the various Yoruba and Igbo sub- tribes, prior to colonialism, there was never a united yoruba or Igbo tribes. Various yoruba and Igbo subrgoups were at war with their own selves, conquering and enslaving each other. Even till date, they still have their different dialects, customs, traditions e.t.c.
Ghana has one majority ethnic group/ethnic cluster and that is the point, likewise with the Kenyan Bantus.

You cannot really compare the difference in cultures and orientations between the core Islamic jihadist Hausa-fulani Nigerian descendants of the Caliphate, the Oyo empire descendant yorubas and the free-spirited decentralized Igbos to that of smaller Bantu ethnic groups, hell no you can't! .....The difference in histories, evolution and orientations are too wide!