₦airaland Forum

9jakool:
You know all of this and here you are saying they belong to the North and can't have their own state.

I know you hate Yorubas, especially Yorubas who are muslim, it's not news to me. I should have known from the start when you went out the way to tell me that you have come accross many Okuns and many Ilajes in Warri saying that they are not Yoruba and the one person you happened to met in Idiroko on the Nigerian-Benin border that said she is not Yoruba. It's like you go everywhere and every person you meet, you ask their ethnicity and you just so happen to meet the many many Yoruba deniers along the way. It's so ridiculous! Does the Pan-Yoruba identity bother you that much? I was aware of the hate you have for Yoruba muslims when you kept talking about how Yoruba muslims are considered inferior by Hausa and how they don't get along. That's not even the problem as I would understand why you would think that, but it was the way you kept repeating it over and over that I knew something was up.

Let me ask you a question. When you meet someone or you are getting acquainted with someone, ''where are you from?'' has to be among the first questions, or not?
I am also a very observant person by nature. I might just be travelling through an area or when i visit a place and i try to notice the way the faces of the people look like, their dressings, cultures, imterract with them and learn to know their views of life with the slightest opportunity. That's me!

Now, about yoruba muslims, what would i gain from hating them? They just disgust me with their slavish dispositions and that's all. Many middlebelt indigene muslims also give me that disgust, so it's not just yoruba muslims.

You called Yorubas "slavish," yet here are Okun people agitating for exit from the North and inclusion with others like them and here you are saying that they belong to the North. Isn't that that hypocrisy?

I have said it before and i repeat myself. I am not against Okuns having their own state or whatever. I am only against them dividing Lokoja (the capital of Kogi state) away to the South-west. And i strongly believe my opinion on this is the same with Ebiras, Igalas, Nupes and all other Kogi state indigenes.

You cannot just divide a central capital city all other Kogites are trying to build and develop with the collective state rescources and take it away to another region entirely.
Imagine the new federal university in Felele that was established by the FG for all Kogites & North-central catchment areas in general will now be taken away to the South-west! That's absurd and will never happen in broad daylight. It's tantamount to robbery if you ask me.
I'd say it's akin to middlebelters declaring seccession and taking Abuja (Nigeria's FCT) together with us and leaving Nigerians to start looking for a fresh capital city to start again with.

hinohsend:
The Sultan of Sokoto can claim to be anything, that dosent mean Yoruba muslims are any subservient to him.

Majority of Yoruba Moslems dont even know that the Sultan occupies such a post. I still remember Islamic Yoruba fasting on days when Northern muslims were celebrating Eid.

Do you know Folashade Ojo has the official title of head of all Nigerian market women, but I'm sure market women, as nearby Abeokuta dont even recognize her.

Once again, the Sultan can claim to be anything, he dosent wield any power over Islamic Yorubas. If he does, pls point it out.

Since you are good at explaining, can you also please explain why Buhari should send Sallah message to Nigerian muslims in Hausa?
Is Hausa now the lingua franca of Islam in the South-west too?

realjoker:
Seems like you are now back to factory setting mode Because this post is not ridden with much postulations and hate-filled comments you are known for.
And I can sense face saving in this post, why lumping other non North Central States in to your analysis of places that don't accept hausas as their second lingua franca in NC? North Central has six states and Abj making seven. With the exception of Kwara, benue and Kogi and by extention part of FCT, other North Central States most accepted second lingua franca still remains Hausa plateau state inclusive (Hausa language still remains the second lingua franca ahead your local languages in your Jos city you have been Chestbeating about being the next big city to Abj in times of development in the entire North Central region, its only in some remote rural areas and towns that hausa is not accepted as second lingua franca) and claiming that the entire Nupe and Gwari in Niger don't Understand Hausa Shows you have never been to Niger state or maybe you only have the opportunity to passed through it.

No fool. 9jakool is quite a reasonable person who backs whatever he is saying with hard facts, logic & rationality, so i have to respond to him likewise. While for those of you who have nothing upstairs, i unfortunately have to descend to your levels for better comprehension on your paths.

Where did i ever say the entire Nupes and Gbagyis do not understand Hausa? Please show me.

Most Nupes outside Nupe land (in Minna, Kaduna, Kano and other cities) do use hausa as a 2nd language, but in Nupe land, most of them do not!
Do you want to tell me that it is possible to stay and survive well in Lafiagi, Doko, Lapai, Kutigi, Bida, Mokwa and other Nupe towns by speaking only Hausa? Hell no! Even hausas in these places have to learn to speak Nupe. Likewise in most Gbagyi areas in Niger & FCT (aside Minna, Suleja and few other places).

Besides, using Hausa as a lingua franca, is it a crime? The problem/crime comes when you loose your identity.

English language is rapidly becoming the lingua franca of Europe and the entire world. Has that made us loose our identities and become English men?

realjoker:
And your postulation ridden argument that lack logic or substance is what you call a defense, right? is it not better to be a bystander than to engage yourself in what is beyond your intelligence or wit?

Well, for not proferring something better to disprove my 'substance-lacking logic' and counter those insulting your country, i take it that you were also a by-stander who lacks the required intelligence right? Then, that makes us even.

hinohsend:
The Sultan of Sokoto can claim to be anything, that dosent mean Yoruba muslims are any subservient to him.

Majority of Yoruba Moslems dont even know that the Sultan occupies such a post. I still remember Islamic Yoruba fasting on days when Northern muslims were celebrating Eid.

Do you know Folashade Ojo has the official title of head of all Nigerian market women, but I'm sure market women, as nearby Abeokuta dont even recognize her.

Once again, the Sultan can claim to be anything, he dosent wield any power over Islamic Yorubas. If he does, pls point it out.

The Sultan of Sokoto is not just the Spiritual head of all Nigerian muslims by mouth. It is very very much official and even constitutional (i stand to be corrected). It is a permanent and official traditional title.

Who even knows the Folashade you are talking of? Please use your analogies reasonably!

The Sultan is the permanent President general of the Nigerian national supreme council of islamic affairs which all muslims in Nigeria are subject to (including all yoruba muslims). Now, this is an official state national body and not some randy independent market women union no one knows of.

realjoker:
Coptic did I not tell you that your loudmouthed cretin brother will make a come back?
Hope you have make provision for his rehabilitation in a rehab center, even though he is an evolved Cretin?

Nowenuse is a well known dunchhead to me and the Kenyans, Indians, South African ladies and other Africa countries members of this forum.

He has shown a number of times that he is an evolved Cretin duncehead.


Just take a glance on the thread created by unstable tonyebarcanista comparing Nigeria with Kenya, then you will discover he is an evolved cretin who deserve to be treated like an evolved dunce that he is.

Everyone must not be a coward like your likes must we? Yeah, coptic is very welcomed to view that thread.

You expected me to sit down and watch Kenyans & South Africans insult, deride & mock Nigerians on a Nigerian forum ba?

9jakool:
You don't need to twist my words. Here is what I actually said: "The Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi despite being technical minority in the North remain one of the few exceptions that don't use Hausa as a second language." Of course I knew there are some minor exception, but it still didn't stop you from twisting my words. Out of the many states in the North that use Hausa as a lingua franca outside states with Yoruba speakers, only Benue state and Southern Niger state don't use it as a second language.

Oh no brother, you are the one twisting your own words. I see no reason why you adress the Tivs, Idomas, Igalas, Igedes, Ebiras, Nupes and others as a few! And here you are again saying only Benue & Southern Niger don't use hausa as a 2nd language. Where did you put the Igalas, Ebiras, Bassas, Nupes, Bussas and other tribes of Kogi & Kwara north?
Now, if you add the population of the Tivs, Idomas, Igedes, Igalas, Ebiras, Nupes e.t.c they will likely outnumber the other tribes who use Hausa as a 2nd language in the North-central combined.
If north-central becomes a country or self governing region today, do you think Hausa would work as a lingua franca? Hell no it won't.


And you see my problem with you is that you are 'Mr know it all', if not you will also know that there are other parts of the north/middlebelt where Hausa is not understood or used as a lingua franca. E.g, many Gbagyi speaking areas of Niger state & FCT do not understand Hausa. They speak only Gbagyi and pidgin which is now becoming very popular because of Abuja metro.

In Langtang town and other Langtang/Tarok speaking areas (Langtang north & South LGAs) in Plateau state, you cannot survive by speaking Hausa alone, you must learn Tarok cos most of them do not understand Hausa there.
I have Tarok friends here in Delta state (where i reside) and whenever we meet, we have to speak pidgin or standard english cos they don't understand Hausa and they were all born and bred in Langtang. Infact, most Langtang people have to learn Hausa from the scratch when in Jos and they are sometimes adressed as INYAMIRIN PLATEAU (plateau igbos) , cos they speak hausa just like Igbos do. Now, they (Taroks) are arguably the largest tribe in Plateau state.

This scenario also plays out in parts of Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe where lots of people from larger tribes there cannot speak Hausa at all, and the worst in Borno/Yobe where Kanuri language is as much a lingua franca as Hausa. You must learn Kanuri and perhaps Bura in order to survive in most parts of Borno & Yobe states.

Go to Zuru town in Kebbi state, many of them don't understand Hausa there and this is supposed to be the 2nd largest town in Kebbi state. Most hausas there have to learn Lelna (zuru language) to cope.

You need to learn more about the north before making yourself an authority on northern issues. Cos the authority with which you speak on issues you don't know so much on is annoying.

lx3as:
Why can't you just accept that you have no say in Okun's matter! Are you telling me you will come across River Niger to the south and fight if Okuns are to join their kiths and kins in the West?

Those Hills you see in Lokoja are known worldover as Yorubaland Hills. You are from a bakanized State like plateau, What Hausas can never attempted in the smallest state in the West, Ekiti, they are doing it in your state. The whole Nigeria is pitying your situation and you are here comparing yourself with Yorubas, making more enemies for your inconsequential tribe.

You can as well divert your energy towards joining your heroes in their Biafra as if they themselves have not been massacred in the north, even in Jos in the 50s, 60s.

I don't know your problem with Okuns wanting to join S/West?

I have no say in Okun matter? And who are you? The Obaro of Kabba? Only an Okun or Kogi indigene has the right to tell me to stay out of Okun or Kogi state affairs and not brown roofers from the South-west who are not part of the north-central. And if you are Okun, you have to shut the brown-roofers before shutting me up.

Whole Nigeria pity who? Who asked for your pity when your own people are being used for rituals and human sacrifice on daily basis?
Why don't you pity your own people being butchered and terrorized by Badoo? And those terrorized by Ijaw militants along the coasts? If not for the intervention of the Federal govt, by now perhaps the entire yoruba coasts would have been annexed by Ijaw militants.
Majority tribe being dealt with by minority tribe
Now, tell me when the last terror attack took place in Plateau state.

Amoto94:
The guy behind
Nowenuse moniker is a hate filled bigot sensible people should ignore him, he's boasting of his people's cannibalistic behavior without thinking twice. Maybe Hausas are responsible for the burukutu that have corrupted the brains of some of your kinsmen.

No pls i think we are responsible for the kwaya, codeine, tramadol, yan daudu (homosexualism), roadside begging, VVF, highest illiteracy, poverty rates e.t.c ravaging your own people.
Remember your governor in zamfara said your god 'punished you people with Menigitis because of your sins'
Pls deal with that before facing Burukutu.

Markfemi2:
Btw how did this thread about Kogi wanting to join south west lead to jos comparison

Don't waste people's time

And one hand your supporting Biafra
On the other hand saying Gowon kept Nigeria one and Yoruba thanked north for keeping Nigeria one

Be consistent in your lies for once
Jos that filled with dead graves of people that have been wiped out in wars

Yah, the same Jos that is filled with dead graves of people are dominated by unfortunate yoruba muslim victims and Jihadist corpses. And these graves date back to pre-colonial times when my ancestors killed and buried your fulani islamic jihadist masters and prevented them from capturing/islamizing the Plateau.

Besides, i rather live in a place with so many graves that is free from captivity than live in an enslaved place where i and my unborn generations are perpetually enslaved forever. You yoruba muslims of Kwara need to learn this and perhaps one day free yourself and your unborn children from the stronghold of the caliphate. Till then, enslaved islamized slave.
Millions of yorubas keep on bowing to the fulani emir of Ilorin (as the permanent head of the traditional council of Kwara state) and the Sultan of Sokoto (as the permanent official spiritual head of all yoruba muslims).

middlebelter:
Your comments are not only very rude but a complet demonstration of inadequate sense of history and Geography, it is a big concern to we of Yorùbá extraction from Kogi and Kwara state.

You have innocently asked what are the contributions of Yorùbás to Middlebelt? Perhaps, I should ask you the contribution of your tribe to Middlebelt? I strongly suspect though that you are not from Middlebelt and therefore you simply deserve no response.
As per the boundaries of Yoruba towards the northern hemisphere in this country, be not in doubt nor deceived by Britain's deliberate malicious demarcation of the the Northern boundary. The South West stretch from Jebba in Kwara state to Lokoja in Kogi State.You may wish to visit Jebba to confirm their history and mother's tongue and if you have ever heard of the Oworos in Kogi State, they own Obajana. A(Obajana is a Yoruba name, the stretch of the land ends in Lokoja.

Also note the in Geography, river is a natural boundary and international river like Niger is no less.

I would have love to explain further but I could sense hatred from your comment toward my people, perhaps born out of your general hatred for the Yorùbás.

The name of your moniker and your claims here is enough for me to take you as a very unserious fellow.

Why are you flaunting the name 'middlebelter' and still advertisting/flaunting South-west? Drop that identity for those who are proud to flaunt it with immediate effect.

Dual identity of a pseudo-individual. That's similar and the way Transexualism begins. I don't deal with 'Trans-individuals'.

realjoker:
I have always known you to be one stupid cretin who loves arguing back and forth without saying anything meaningful other than ranting, and writing postulations right from that stupid thread created by shallow minded tonyebacanista comparing Nigeria with Kenya and how the Kenyan, Indian guys and south African ladies exposing how dunce you are.

You should better leave other North Central states out of your war and face the Hausa Fulani predators who have succeeded in turning your ancestral land to war zone, where movement is restricted and safety not guaranteed.

Hahaha, shallowness on extreme. My ancestral land into war zone? Where exactly is this war going on?
The last time i checked, Mile 12 and Ife crisis happened last year and this year while the last crisis in Plateau was in 2010.

Jos still remains the largest and most developed city in the entire north central after FCT-Abuja and your thousands of yoruba brothers who were here since pre independence have refused to go back in spite of the city being a 'war zone' as you claim. who is the fool here?

Besides i am still waiting for an explanation on how the Sultan of Sokoto became the permanent spiritual leader of all Nigerian muslims (including the about 20 million yoruba muslims).
Pls don't tell me you will chicken out of this as usual, will you?

realjoker:
I have always known you to be one stupid cretin who loves arguing back and forth without saying anything meaningful other than ranting, and writing postulations right from that stupid thread created by shallow minded tonyebacanista comparing Nigeria with Kenya and how the Kenyan, Indian guys and south African ladies exposing how dunce you are.

You should better leave other North Central states out of your war and face the Hausa Fulani predators who have succeeded in turning your ancestral land to war zone, where movement is restricted and safety not guaranteed.

Hahaha, shallowness on extreme. My ancestral land into war zone? Where exactly is this war going on?
The last time i checked, Mile 12 and Ife crisis happened last year and this year while the last crisis in Plateau was in 2010.

myobjective:
You are spot on, on some of the issues you raised here but I will indulge you to reduce some of the insult bro.

I have serious problem with yorubas that believe religion is a binding factors between us and the Hausa-fulanis. Some of these yorubas assimilate and behave like Hausa Fulani just to be accepted by them, the group mostly quilty of this offence are not even the so called northern yorubas like ilorin yorubas but mostly OGBOMOSHO (OYO STATE). These set of yorubas assimilate, speak Hausas, sometime they even deny their yoruba ethnic group just to attract cheap sympathy from hausa Fulani.

All what the Yorubas need to learn is the Hausas will never see themselves as equal to the yorubas.
Yorubas were Muslim even before many of the so called Hausa accepted Islam, Yoruba Muslim should never play second fiddle to mostly violent Hausa Fulani.
I don't accept sadauna of Sokoto as my leader, I don't accept a second class status for been a Yoruba Muslim.

Many yorubas in the north have learnt their lesson and they have started living in community with exclusively fellow yorubas, northern minorities and other southerners, they know that an Hausa man is not their friend because of religion.

Okay, i have heard you bro and i will reduce the harshness of my tone. Thank you.

Are you serious about what you said about Ogbomosho peeps? Most people i have met from Ogbomosho were christians.
I attended a secondary school with so many yoruba muslims and almost all of them were from Ibadan, Iwo, Ede. And the kind of islamic fanatism i saw from most Ibadan and Iwo muslims is almost close to Hausa fanatism.

I also understand that many yoruba muslims may not accept the Sultan of Sokoto as their spiritual leader, but they appear so silent, passive and seemingly cowardly on this issue, which is not supposed to be.

Imagine an Igbo leader being adressed as the permanent head of all christians in Nigeria just because Igbos have the largest population of christians in Nigeria.....i mean, all hell will let loose. All other christians will challenge it with brute force!

Why do yoruba and middlebelt muslims accept 2nd class status so easily and automatically? Till date, none of them have come outside to challenge Buhari or northern muslims on why Buhari should send Sallah message to Nigerian muslims in Hausa.

realjoker:
I know your fears, you are looking for accomplice to join you in your new country in the event of Nigeria eventually breaking up, because you are afraid of being enslave by the hausa Fulani.

I don't have to attend to your postulation let me just ask you series of questions and some comments

1, who dominate and lord over Jos north and Part of angwan donkey in Jos south, which you dare not visit?

2, Can you dare move anyhow in this part of Jos city: Masallachi jummat street, Ango rogo, nassarawa filling bali, Dilimi, gangere, adebayo street, part of Terminus and environ?

And you are forced to manage Tina junction, yantrailer, angwan rukuba, part of amy engineer and fudawa ring road in your ancestry land o?

3, And don't forget; You lost a senator and a house of reps member to this war. what have you done to retaliate this lost in this magnitude to the hausas?

And don't forget that the level of genocide Hausa Fulani herdmen perpetrated in Southern kaduna is a child play compare to the one they did on your people in Barkin ladi! I might be sounding inhuman here.


And your acknowledgement on how movements and guarantee of safety is limited in Kano, Kaduna and Jos and Plateau in general vindicate me of how your Jos and state being a war zone. Restrictions of movement and non guarantee on safety in a place are the characteristics of war zone areas.
Your statement on mile 12 crisis shows how dunce headed you are on Lagos.
You should note that in the entire SW, okunland and Kwara State there is no place a Muslim or Christian is barred from moving freely because of fear of being attack by one stupid religion fanatic.

This comment of yours has shown how shallow you are. Oga you don't know Jos please. Stick to Oshogo brown-roof districts.
How can you be mentioning places like Gangare, Angwan rogo, Dilimi? Those places are the worst places in Jos, overcrowded slumish areas which are usually washed away by floods. These are the kind of areas most Hausas live, just like Hausa quarters in the South.

The only reasonable place Hausas dominate in Jos is Bauchi road and you did not even mention it. Oga, terminus is a central market and there is no part of it dominated by Hausas.
Now, all the reasonable, developed, big and beautiful areas of Jos are dominated by indigenes, so you can go cure your stupidity for that.

Oh, so you want to deny what happened in Mile 12 abi?

The only reason i will pardon your foolishness is because of reasonable people like coptic & myobjective.

Omofunaab2:
So what you are telling me now is that whenever there's a fight between yorubas and hausas in the north, the hausas simply massacre the yorubas there without suffering any casualties? But whenever there's a fight in shagamu we have both yoruba and hausa casualties?


I think you are sounding too desperate in a bid to prove hausa superiority when it comes to violence.. Whenever there's a fight there will be casualties on both sides but one tribe will surely have the upper hand.

Please go and ask of any history of crisis in the north from those who live there! Here is your fellow yoruba who has lived in the north. This is why i keep on telling your likes to leave Oshogbo for once!

myobjective:
I was a yoruba Muslim ( albeit a closet atheist now), you absolutely spot on some of the issues you raised above.
The problem is not that yoruba are caword but yoruba are liberal and peace loving people, majority of the yoruba in the north are only interested in how to make a meaningful living and as a result are caught un aware when their is a violence.

The truth is hausa-fulani use religion as a political tool to control others, this is one of the reasons why I have to do a more thorough research and analysis of the religion. Islam is a political tool used by the founder to plunder and steal things that doesn't belong to him, the hausa and fulani also use this method to plunder and steal what doesn't belongs to them.

I was born in the North, I grew up in the north and I have a great respect for northern minority in places like plateau, Kaduna, taraba, bauchi etc. These people are peace loving people, they receive a great deal of immigrants from yoruba, hausa and igbo but only the husas fight over things that don't belong to them.
The hausa-fulani through the help of the military dictator has established themselves in areas that doesn't belong to them, they abuse the indigenous, fight to grab land etc.

Most yoruba Muslim don't hass lick hausa-fulani in the north but we have some minority that does that but after the kano riot of 2001 many of these yoruba no better. If there is a problem in the North, I will rather side with a northern minority Christian than an hausa fulani.

Hausa fulani also kill minority like gwari Muslim, Igala Muslim, egbira Muslim etc if their is religious violence

Yorubas do not stand to defend themselves in the north by fighting back like the Igbos do. I really don't know why. I understand that yorubas are respectful and peaceful people compared to Igbos and Hausas (especially on others people soil). But shiit, sometimes, one has gotta man up.
The problem i think with many yoruba muslims in the north is that they think because they are muslims then Hausa-fulanis will spare them, but they usually get the shock of their lives! Unlike Igbos that know that Hausas hate them, so they are always prepared for anything.

That was how some yoruba muslims went to hide in a mosque during Kaduna crisis, thinking they were safe, only for the Hausas to go drag them out of the mosques and butcher them. Likewise in Jos. Some of them (yoruba muslims) will start reciting islamic recitations thinking Hausas will spare them once Hausas find them, only for them to be called Munafuqi (hypocrites/ fake muslims) by the Hausas and still killed. ........Honestly i feel pity for these yoruba muslims during crisis in the north. But they are the fools here for allowing fake religious bond that doesn't exist enslave them!

You can imagine the Sultan of Sokoto is adressed as the spiritual leader of all muslims in Nigeria. A permanent position. What nonsense!
Why have the almost 20 million yoruba muslims never challenged this nosense title and dissociate themselves? On what basis was the Sultan of Sokoto made the permanent head of all yoruba muslims? Where was the election done? 9jakool, Markfemi2, AbakalikiPress and all yoruba muslims here, please i need an explanation from you guys!! Cos these are the reasons why other Nigerians see yorubas as cowards.

Just see what happened recently where Buhari sent Sallah message from London in Hausa language! This made it so obvious that the Hausas naturally don't even care if yoruba muslims who do not speak Hausa existed! And you will never hear yoruba muslims condemn or challenge hausas. What kind of 2nd class status can ve worse than this. Tufiakwa!

Let me reiterate this again, an average OPC member doesn't even know the difference between hausa and fulani talkless of someone from Jos as long as you speak hausa then you are an hausa man... I'm just telling you the truth.. . It doesn't matter wherever you stay in the south west. . Infact not all hausas stay in sabo. . Whenever there's violence here you guys join your caliphate brothers in sharing the sorrows

And that is what i am telling you! Most Plateau people in the South are educated and do not appear as Hausa-fulani muslims!
Our ladies and guys mostly dress like Southerners with jeans, gowns and western clothes always. We don't flaunt kaftans and hijabs like Hausa-fulanis. We don't do shoe making, mai ruwa, sell onions, carrots, mai shayi. We don't hawk. We rent houses among other residents. We do not live in seclusions and market/cattle communities like the Hausas do in the South! We worship in different normal churches with everyone else. So, we can not be easy targets for OPC members! Simple!

@AbakalikiPress.

Just for the records as i told ODVanguard. No middlebelter gives a flying fvck about Kwara yorubas & Okuns. Especially the Okuns, what have they contributed to the North-central?

The only issue here is that Okuns will not be allowed to take Lokoja to the South-west. They cannot divide the capital city of Lokoja away to the South-west.
As for Ilorin people, they have never mentioned joining the South-west. So, that's their concern.

Besides i only mentioned Ilorin & Lokoja being properties of the caliphate to spite you brown-roofers cos it's obvious many of you think things are done by mouth alone. Much mouth and no action!

Also, Ilorin & Lokoja are developing fine without brown-roofs, we don't want you guys to brown-roofenize these cities as brown roof has become the South-western trademark

AbakalikiPress:
I know what your exact problem is.
As the plateau man that you are, you know you have no future outside the North. You know you are caught up in the quagmire of Fulani and Northern domination forever, as such you are looking for other tribes be it middle-beltan or Fully Southern with parts in the "North" due to past injustices, to drag down into the pit with yourselves in your Northern wahala.
That is why you hate Fulani domination but at the same time have no problem saying that Yorubas in Kwara or Ilorin or Lokoja are under the dominion as "Properties of the Caliphate"

Middlebelt leaders came out recently to openly declare that we are not going to join Arewa peradventure break-up of Nigeria and this is what we have been saying. Have you ever heard any Hausa-fulani come out to challenge this submission?

That is the exact same reason most of you will always be against the idea of an Oduduwa or Biafra republic, because you need the southerners to check the balances of the north on your behalfs, else they'll suyanize you lot, isn't it?..

Hahahaha, seriously, i have never met dumb people like you guys!
Do you know that Tafawa balewa town in Bauchi state where the Hon Speaker (Yakubu Dogara) hails from is a no-go zone for Hausa-fulanis or any muslims? All muslims were cleansed out of that town in 2009 and till date no mosque can ever be built in that town!

Now, this is Bauchi state, a core muslim state with about 90% muslim population.

The entire Jaba LGA in Kaduna state does not have a single mosque standing as we are speaking. Every muslim or Hausa-fulani were chased away from the entire LGA in the post 2011 election violence and not just in Jaba alone, many other towns and LGAs in Southern Kaduna are like this.

Wukari is the largest city in Taraba state and in 90% of the city, there are no muslims or mosques anymore!

Shendam & Pankshin are the 2nd & 3rd largest towns in Plateau state. There is no mosque in the entire Pankshin town as we speak. I hope you remember the Shendam massacre of 2004 that was dealt to Hausas & muslims?

Middlebelters and Northern christians times without number have proven to be able to defend themselves when it comes to a full scale crisis or war.

With all the efforts to introduce Sharia law into Kaduna state, did it work? Did Southern kaduna people not hold their ground against it and equally dealt with Hausas in the subsequent crisis that divided Kaduna city?

Fulanis only succeed with attacks due to their hit & run tactics. This they also use in the South too and it worked for them.
Why did it not work for them in Taraba state? Cos they cannot run since they have villages and towns there. Shebi you can see the way hundreds of them were massacred recently? This is what usually happens whenever middlebelt tribes and Hausa-fulanis have a face-me-face-you war.
Free Grazing has been banned in Benue state and will be fully enforced very soon. Taraba state govt too is also about to implement theirs. Fulanis have been quiet in Plateau, but if they raise their head again, same thing will be enforced in Plateau. Now, let us see how their hit and run tactics will work anymore after they have been fully ranched and registered by the state.

Yoruba man, i dare you to show me any face-me-face-you crisis in the north where Hausa-fulanis have ever defeated any northern christian tribe. I dare you! But in far away yoruba land, they completely defeated you guys in Mile 12!

The first Nigerian lawyer to actually bring to the notice of the UN the Fulani killings in Southern Kaduna, which prompted the fact finding delegation that was sent to investigate what was actually going on was a Yoruba man. Yet you keep talking like we have actually done anything to wrong plateau or middle-belt people.
Examine your life bro, you have got serious problems.

Hahahaha, what stupidity. Crisis between our people and Hausa-fulanis did not start today! It started since the days of Danfodio. So, you want me to clap for you or that yoruba man for that?

I hope you know that during the Southern kaduna killings, any Hausa-fulani travelling to the north have to take the long route through Kwara to Niger state and then Kebbi-Sokoto, or through Plateau- Bauchi-Taraba-Gombe? They dare not pass through Kaduna villages cos the whole bus will be hijacked, all the Hausa muslims filtered out and killed?? Now, you won't hear this in media will you? When they also kill the fulanis you don't hear it on the media cos the fulanis don't have large settlements in anymore in those areas.

It is not Yorubas' fault that your actual indigenous language is now extinct or drawing closer to moribundity.

Languages die everywhere and everyday in the world. What matters the most is loss of identity. Niger deltans are also loosing their languages to pidgin, aren't they? Ijebus, Eguns, Aworis and many other yoruba sub-groups are also loosing their language to Oyo yoruba aren't they? But that doesn't make them Oyo people as long as they still know who they are.

Besides, almost every Plateau person you find can still speak his language, we still hold church services and even have bibles in most of our languages. Bauchi islamized tribes are the ones whose languages are facing extinction and not Plateau state languages please. Go to the villages if you will not hear the native languages!

Yoruba as a tribe was created by the British. Nothing of such ever existed. So all you have to do is thank the British for creating a yoruba tribe. It was never by the efforts of you warring South-western tribes who were killing each other in Kiriji wars and all manners before the white men came and called you all Yorubas.

Markfemi2:
i won't join issue with tribe that's not up to 1m go and rescue your civilisation
All those brown roof towns are way wealthier and more advanced than the entire jos
If it's not bomb it's herdsman
Yoruba Muslims are great people who have their own leader in Ibadan
Unlike jos that has both Muslim and Christain and still lick the ass of sultan the last time I checked your members of arewa and should Nigeria split you have no where else to go

Lol
Seems you have forgotten Gowon that led civil war is from your state and you have audacity to say someone' supports war

Go and read your history before commenting

Yoruba man i dare you to show me which yoruba brown-roof town is more developed than Jos! Ogbomosho, Oshogbo, Abeokuta or Ibadan?
90% of Ibadan are dillapidated old rusty houses with pit latrines, dirt, shit and gutters everywhere.

Jos is far far comparatively beautiful, green, picturesque, very cool weather, very friendly indigenes and neater than any core- yoruba city. There are many yorubas in Jos who do not know where their villages are in the South-west because since their grand & great-grandfathers came to Jos they never went back to the godforsaken brown-roofs. Lol

Please leave Oshogbo and explore life for yourself!


There is only one major traditional ruler in Jos and he is the GBON GWOM JOS! Pls, how does the caliphate come into Jos? How do they influence Jos? Do they have any traditional rulers in Jos?

Where were you when middlebelt elders have been making it clear to the core-north that we are forming our own middlebelt country per-adventure break-up??

Gowon saved Nigeria from disintegrating and after the war, you coward yoruba majority group through Awolowo came to thank the north for sparing the lives of your people. The one Nigeria Gowon fought for, is it not the same one Nigeria you yoruba muslims always brag with and beg the Igbos not to have their own Biafra (always loosing sleep over Nnamdi Kanu)?

Gowon liberated the Eastern minorities from Igbo stronghold and till date they are grateful for it.

If not subsequent military leaders who created the stupid geo-political zones and so much proliferation of states today, Nigeria would have fared better with the first 12 states Gowon created.

Omofunaab2:
Guy, at first i was deceived by your claims of objectivity not until you said hausas were battling yorubas in shagamu, lol, shagamu of all places. ... It was a one sided fight, many of the Northerners were murdered.. When the whole country was crying and lamenting about fulani herdsmen, my Ile-ife brothers massacred hausa-fulanis in Ile-ife.... And don't think people from Plateau state are not exempted from this killings, an average yoruba man see you guys as hausa-fulani as long as you can speak hausa.


And nobody is in prison for the Ile-ife crisis, the case is now in Oshogbo

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/ife-hausa-yoruba-clash-court-grants-oba-ademiluyi-others-n5m-bail/

So, are you saying that no yoruba lives were lost in Shagamu? The fight was not entirely one-sided. If you tell me Ife crisis was almost completely one-sided i can accept, but not Shagamu where there were also yoruba casualties.
Yorubas were almost completely wiped out of Kano that year in retaliation. Most of them had to run to Sabongari for Igbo & middlebelt christians protection. Lol. How many hausas were arrested and had to bail themselves?? Your own people are being arrested and have to bail themselves for defending their own land.

FYI, Plateau people and other northern christians do not live in Hausa quarters cos we don't trade like the hausas. So how could we be victims in yoruba land?

realjoker:
Hahaha. I don't like doing this but your ill manner attitude about Ilorin tempt me. Guy stop deluding yourself about Ilorin, I know your knowledge about Ilorin is limited to nairaland. And on Hausa or Fulani not being able to move in some places in Jos is the same way you dare not move in Hausa or Fulani area, your city center inclusive.
Countless of your local chiefs were butchered and 95% of your entire state turned to war zone what have you done about it rather than surrounding your ancestral land to the Hausa and Fulanis? even though I am against Hausa and Fulani actions on this.
And you failed to mention that the little pseudo-peace you enjoy in Jos today is do to your state governor and people surrendering your ancestral lands to Hausa and Fulani people and you dare not visit those area. And on Saraki having a Fulani ancestry is one of the lies turned truth after being repeated over and over again. I am 99% sure you have never been to Ilorin before, face your war torn Jos and Plateau in general Ilorin is not under contention rather Plateau is.

Lol. Honestly, is it just me or i have enough dullards to entertain me on this thread?

Kano city is the heart of Hausa land! Do you know that in Kano, no matter the heat of the crisis there, Hausa-fulanis can never take their madness to Sabon-gari? Igbos and other christians there will cure that madness for them.
The same thing with Wusasa in Zaria city (core hausa land), yet it is dominated by northern christians and Igbos. Hausas can never take their madness there no matter what. This is why i always advice you yorubas to leave your brown-roofs in Oshogbo, Ogbomosho and travel wide! ......Is that not the same case in Lagos where the Hausas defeated yorubas in Mile 12? Hausas have been showing themselves in Lagos in recent times and they keep on migrating to Lagos now more than ever. So, very soon, expect to see stronger cases than that of Mile 12.

Pls which ancestral lands in Jos were surrendered to Hausa-fulanis? Can you list them? Which city centre is dominated by Hausas? Is it Terminus? Why have the hausas not produced the Jos north chairman till now?
Can you list their traditional leaders and the political offices they dominate in Jos/Plateau?

Jos is enjoying peace today after the last time the indigenes rounded up all the Hausa-fulanis in a jumaat prayer ground, burnt them to ashes and ate their roasted meat . That was the last episode of conflict till now. Plus christians and Hausas no longer live together, so there is no need for a fight when you hardly see each other on daily basis.

And FYI, there is almost nowhere i haven't been to in the entire North-central my zone. I have been to Ilorin very very well. Many yorubas are now leaving their brown-roofs in the South-west to stay and school in Ilorin and this is why some of you fools think Ilorin is so yoruba. Meet most core Ilorin indigenes one on one and get the shock of your lives. Most of them do not even dress traditionally like yorubas.

Jos is still the most developed city in the entire North-central after Abuja. So i wonder where the war torn areas and contention is.
Leave your brown roofs in Oshogbo and travel out ejoo!

ODVanguard:
You just demonstrated by this incoherent post that you are nothing but a coward. Now you have shifted goal post from saying that Yorubas [and igbos] don't have the guts to 'Bleep.k up' Hausa-Fulanis, to some crap about daring us to try it today. Like seriously? Boy, your fcvkedup mind needs serious help.

You initially lumped both Yorubas and igbos together in your earlier attack, then in your latest post you separated them in a mischievous attempt to form empty solidarity by making igbos appear as your allies during recurring ethno-religious crises you admitted your own people have pretty much lost control of. You aren't even ashamed to imply that you need Southerners to assist you in fighting your Hausa-Fulani masters, when you should be the ones guaranteeing their safety on your own turf. Why should Yorubas or igbos have to fight with you against your masters in what's supposed to be your own sphere of influence?

Really, you are the dullest person i have across in my life. You just don't know your analogies, do you?

Yes, Igbos always defend their areas and business in the north in any case of crisis, how is it my problem that yorubas are weaklings? Igbos defended themselves in Kano and till date, Sabongari, the safest place in Kano city for all Southerners and christians is Igbo-controlled, is Kano also part of middlebelt? Is it not core Hausa land?
.....Shameless cowards who call themselves a majority group. Just see the way you are excusing the cowardice of your people by blaming the Jos indigenes for not protecting you yorubas in Jos. So i am asking, what about Kano?

Igbos defending themselves in Hausa land does not amount to fvcking northerners up does it? The killing of the Sardauna and Tafawa balewa are what you can liken to fvcking up, just like the killing of Abiola and annulment of the 1993 yoruba victory.

Truth is that you Northern minorities (including Yorubas that fall under that category) are a big part of the problem of Nigeria coz politically you have always suckedup to the core North and played willing partners to their hegemonic ambitions against the entire country, particularly against the South. You lots obviously can't make up your mind as to whether you want to be free from their shackles once and for all or not. To highlight this point, your leaders still consider themselves Northerners and still take part in Northern Elders Forum meetings to this day

Gosh, are you this dumb? We all know that minorities never had a say during the colonial period. So, you yorubas and Igbos are obviously to blame for allowing your fellow majority group (Hausa-fulani) cheat you guys in connivance with the British. You guys had all the power to stop it and you didn't.

In 1956, middlebelt elders clearly requested for a distinct middlebelt region in the Willinks comission but the British did not grant it. There was the Tiv riots against Hausa-fulani domination of the northern region in the 1960s. There was also a Berom Jos riot in 1982. In 1993, Gideon Orkar wanted to launch a coup to cut-off the entire core-north away from Nigeria and he called for the unity of all Southerners and Middlebelters against the core-north. All these efforts and more by Benue- Plateau people.
How many realistic and physic efforts have your millions of Ilorin/Okun brothers made? Nonsense!

Look here, middlebelters attending Northern meetings is not the problem, the problem comes if they allow Hausa-fulani agenda dominate the meetings. Southern minorities are against Igbo domination, but that doesn't stop them from having joint regional Southern meetings with Igbos. Ok? There are also middlebelt socio-cultural groups that speak on the behalf our people, what can you say about that?

What happened at Mile12 was an aberration that was aided by complicit security personnel and you best believe that it won't repeat itself again because the Yorubas who overwhelmingly outnumber the Hausas in that area are better aware today; they were caught off-guard by the spontaneity of that incident the last time.

But make mistake no about it, what happened at Enugu on more than one occasion where armed Fulani herdsmen invaded 7 villages, wantonly killing people, burning properties including a church, can NEVER happen in SW Yorubaland -- ironically the brave igbos that were busy defending themselves and fighting for your people couldn't defend themselves against gun-toting Fulani herdsmen even after receiving advanced warning of the attack.

The shagamu crisis you alluded to was a one-sided (though unfortunate) bloodbath that claimed more Hausa lives than Yoruba so you didn't have to lie or spin it, afterall accounts of the incident are still online. The Ife incident on the other hand actually defeats your jaundiced narrative coz in that case it was again a one-sided affair.

Oh, you are quick to explain how the yorubas were caught unaware and how the security aided the Hausas to defeat them in Mile 12 and you think Jos and other northern minorities are not also caught unaware too sometimes right? Good for your shallowness.

Sometime in year 2000, Yoruba farmers killed close to a hundred troublesome Fulani herdsmen at Saki, Oyo state and even in spite of Buhari and Marwa's protestations to the then state governor, heaven did not fall.

Now, throughout these clashes related above, Yorubas never tried to beg other ethnicities to fight alongside them as is the case with you, trying to guilt-trip other ethnicities for not helping you fight Hausa-Fulanis on your own turf.

This comment of yours has shown that you don't even read comments very well. I told you clearly that those lands where yorubas, Igbos, Hausas and others settled in Jos in the colonial era was given to them by the British. Indigenes do not live in those areas.
If Hausas clash with Igbos in a place like Festac in Lagos and deal with them, are Igbos to blame yorubas for not protecting them in an area overwhemingly dominated by Igbos with fewer yorubas? Get sense abeg.

Have you forgotten what Plateau indigenes did to Hausa-fulani muslims in Yelwa-Shendam crisis 2004? Not less than 1000 hausa muslims were killed there and it was so bad that the Hausa had to retaliate in Kano and guess who suffered the casualties in Kano more? SOUTHERNERS (mostly yoruba muslims as usual)

Now, did you see Plateau indigenes mentioning yorubas here? No, cos this is not Jos where lands were given to you guys by the colonial masters to settle.

So as you can see, the Hausa-Fulani population in the SW is too insignificant to pose any serious threat to our collective security coz when it really gets down to it they are overwhelmingly outnumbered and don't even stand a chance against us.

It's obvious that you and your fellow Northern minorities view yourselves as hopeless and perpetual slaves of the core North, but you don't have to deride tribes like the Okuns who are brave enough to vocally express their desire to be free from such servitude the way you are shamelessly doing here when you attack their legitimate aspirations.

They say misery loves company, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to see the Okuns leave that sad and unfortunate Hausa-Fulani estate that is the North Central geopolitical zone. And since I can see through your antics, I won't even bother responding to your mentions from hereon.

Hahahaha, all the anti-hausa fulani agitations ever made in the North-central were not by Ilorin or Okun people, were they?
Okuns are only crying to join South-west today because they have been severely dealt with by the Igalas & Ebiras politically in Kogi state.
After the way James Faleke was disgraced, even with the help and backing of the 'almighty yoruba lord' (Tinubu). Now, they the Okuns have neither governor nor deputy. Why did the Okuns not cry to join the South since they were in old Kwara state where they enjoyed a yoruba majority?
Go and learn the way Okun political elders have been ass-licking the core-north and selling the destiny of Okuns, people like Awoniyi, Adeyemi & co.
Why are Ilorin and other yoruba Kwarans not crying to join the South too? Cos obviously they are enjoying yoruba majority in Kwara (especially Ilorin people ).

And FYI, i am never and can never be against Okuns joining the South. What are we going to miss about them in the middlebelt? Nonsense! All their people are still all over Jos & Kaduna. The only thing i am saying is that Okuns will never be allowed to join South-west with Lokoja (not especially with that Federal University in Felele). They cannot divide Kogi state capital to the South-west. Let them take their Kabba, Ijumu, Yagba and go!

myobjective:
I was a yoruba Muslim ( albeit a closet atheist now), you absolutely spot on some of the issues you raised above.
The problem is not that yoruba are caword but yoruba are liberal and peace loving people, majority of the yoruba in the north are only interested in how to make a meaningful living and as a result are caught un aware when their is a violence.

The truth is hausa-fulani use religion as a political tool to control others, this is one of the reasons why I have to do a more thorough research and analysis of the religion. Islam is a political tool used by the founder to plunder and steal things that doesn't belong to him, the hausa and fulani also use this method to plunder and steal what doesn't belongs to them.

I was born in the North, I grew up in the north and I have a great respect for northern minority in places like plateau, Kaduna, taraba, bauchi etc. These people were peace loving people, they receive a great deal of immigrants from yoruba, hausa and igbo but only the husas fight over things that don't belong to them.
The hausa-fulani through the help of the military dictator has established themselves in areas that doesn't belong to them, they abuse the indigenous, fight to grab land etc.

Most yoruba Muslim don't hass lick hausa-fulani n the north but we have some minority that does that does that but after the kano riot of 2001 many of these yoruba no better. If there is a problem in the North, I will rather side with a northern minority Christian than an hausa fulani.

Hausa fulani also kill minority like gwari Muslim, Igala Muslim, egbira Muslim etc if their is religious violence

1000 likes for your post.

It's obvious you are the most sensible and realistic yoruba person here.

Hausa-fulanis use religion as a tool for power and oppression. It is very obvious that you have lived in the north and fully aware of all these.

Most yorubas here like AbakalikiPress, Markfemi2 & Omofunaab2 have definitely never left Ibadan in their lives hence their short-sightedness and myopic view.

9jakool:
For the first bolded, I can't say I honestly know much about that particular topic from the late 19th century to the early 20th century. I can however say that Pan-Yoruba in 1890-1910 was not like today. Yorubas considered themselves as different entities for a long time.

Also, the Yoruba sphere crosses political boundaries. There is not really a huge contrast traveling from Offa to Osogbo, because the language and culture is the same. Even though Hausa has become a second language in the North for many ethnicities, the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi despite being technical minority in the North remain one of the few exceptions that don't use Hausa as a second language because of the close attachment to other Yorubas. Even Ilorin that got emir still speaks Yoruba, the Nupes and Baribas living in Yoruba domain in Kwara also use Yoruba as a second language. Culturally and ethnically, the attachment between the Yorubas in NC and SW is stronger than you may think. The problem comes with politics.

Nice try, but here is where you flopped, Tivs (the largest middlebelt group), Idomas, Igedes, Igalas, Ibiras, Ogori magongo, many Nupes, Bussas, Bassas e.t.c do not speak any Hausa at all.

Hausa was only promoted and it worked among other northern tribes because of their smallers sizes, indirect rule, pre-colonial decades of trade with the emirates and most importantly through Evangelism. The British mandated the Sudan missionaries who evangelized most northern christian tribes (outside Kogi-Benue-Kwara axis) to use Hausa bibles and materials as the medium for evangelism as opposed to Angas language which the missionaries wanted to use (now, this would have made Angas the lingua franca of Plateau, Southern kaduna, Nasarawa, parts of Bauchi and perhaps Taraba e.t.c).

Ilorin or any NC yorubas are not special in not speaking Hausa.......Hausa language did not penetrate Nupe land either (even though they have 4 emirates) and all hausa-fulanis living in Bida, Kutigi, Lapai, Doko, Lafiagi and other Nupe towns must learn Nupe to survive.

The reason why the agitation for Okun state is louder now as opposed to before, is because politically the Okun felt distanced from the Yorubas after the creation of Kogi state in 1991 which politically alienated Okunland from the larger Yoruba in old Kwara state. This Okun state agitation now expands into two goals to not only have a state, but to be merged where they've always felt they belong.

Yeah i know this. The Okuns enjoyed and preferred their days in Kwara state where the Yoruba speakers were a majority and i bet you, had the Okuns still been in Kwara, i highly doubt any agitation to join the South-west would have surfaced.
Well, the Okuns are not alone here, surprisingly, most Ebiras also preferred old Kwara state. They produced the first civilian governor of Kwara state afterall and they also blend with yorubas more than Igalas.

Also, you come off as a hypocrite in the second bolded statement. You do realize what the title of this thread says. It's like you blame Yorubas for supposedly not fighting against the Northern demarcation and at the same time when they actually do, you shut them down and claim they belong to the North.

Hahahaha, well, i'd say i do that cos i want them to ginger more, cos as a majority group, they are too slavish for my liking. And also, yoruba muslims disgust me so much. Gosh
Honestly, you and i even know that most north-central groups themselves do not even want the name 'north' anymore.

You are playing two sides honestly. You don't have to lick Yoruba nyash; No Yoruba asked for it. From the ways I have dealt with you in the past, I've noticed you are always an antagonist on Yoruba matters from the beginning, even going as far as claiming that you have met many Yorubas who don't like being called Yoruba.

Jesus christ, have you been to Ilorin at all? Have you met with true Ilorin muslim indigenes (especially the descendants of royal lineages)? How many of them proudly proclaim yoruba identity and flaunt yoruba culture?
See, i also belong to many large middlebelt and NC groups & foras and even an admin at some and i meet with so many numerous people from these areas daily. What would i gain from denying my experience?

Your actions are very bipolar. As a very small minority, you hate to be dominated by the Hausas, at the same time you have to cling to a larger political entity/umbrella in order to be recognized and you will defend any threat to that entity even if you dislike the association.

Political boundaries in Nigeria change all the time because they are a work in progress. The last one happened about 26 years ago. If Okuns decide to be a part of Kogi state yesterday and decide today that they can stand for themselves, who are you, an outsider from Plateau to say that they can't.

You can check all my past threads and posts and count how many times i have taken sides with core-northerners and defended them compared to Southerners. You see me supporting yoruba and Igbos against Hausas today and tomorrow you see vice versa. This is because i am only interested in the truth. I have nothing to gain supporting any majority tribe.

And which stupid larger identity are you talking off? How many times do you see any Plateau people taking pride in Arewa identity or unity? Only some of our foolish elders still do that nonsense (well i can't blame them much, cos they were born in the days of 'One arewa' and grew up getting used to such. We the youths are only interested in 'middlebelt identity'. Very soon the world will start hearing from us just like IPOB.

The problem with you majority group is that you always tag anyone who doesn't take your sides as 'anti-your tribe', even when they may be giving you the bitter truth.

There are things i like and hate at the same time about Yorubas, Igbos & Hausas and be sure to see me defending and antagonizing them in different places.

Lastly, Kogi state is part of North-central (my geo-political zone). So i think i have more rights than you (a South-westerner) on Kogi affairs crucify me whenever you see me arguing in an 'Ife-Modakeke' thread.

Markfemi2:
Interesting how you forgot about Hausa being defeated in ife
And how Hausa ran away from Mile 2
Meanwhile 60% of your state is almost dead
Yoruba Muslims are not 2nd class Muslims
And 2002 an attempt was made to take ilorin back but Saraki stopped it

You also forgot about defeat in oyo state in 2003

I understand Taraba has defeated Fulani
What have your people done to defeat Fulani ?

Can you pls explain what you mean by 60% of my state is dead?

Fulanis are the 2nd or 3rd largest tribe in Taraba state. So, they have lots of villages, towns, communities and even dominate LGAs there, unlike in Plateau state where they live nomadic lifestyles like in the south. So, Taraba tribes know where to find the fulanis easily to treat their fvck up.
Besides, as i said, there are many towns and even entire LGAs in Plateau state that you cannot build a mosque, even you as a yoruba muslim cannot stay let alone Hausas, infact i cannot guarantee you safe passage travelling across those places as a muslim.

Why won't Saraki stop it? Is he not a fulani descendant? The most influential families and people from Ilorin are of fulani descent. They and the other Hausa-asslicking yoruba muslim fanatics of Ilorin will always be there to secure the status quo.
Please you guys should stop sitting under your rusty brown roofs in Ibadan, Ogbomosho & Osogbo talking about Ilorin, go there and see the reality on ground. Most yoruba muslim indigenes there are very loyal and eager to do the bidding of the Sokoto caliphate. If they were here, they would instantly deny you guys.

ODVanguard:
No guy, YOU are the hypocrite here. Be there dey talk crap when your state is a poster-boy for ethno-religious crisis (only bested by the Boko-Haram crisis in Borno). Even up till today, you guys are still having to contend with claims from the Hausas over ownership/'indigeneship' of Jos, a perennial tussle that has resulted in recurring and countless violent riots and ethno-religious crises that have claimed thousands of lives.

You talk about Yorubas being in political alliance with the Hausa-Fulanis (the first major alliance between both peoples since independence), while feigning ignorance of the fact that we're actually the only region best known for playing opposition politics against the mainly conservative Northern power block (whom you guys perpetually suck up to politically). Guy, no even go there at all coz na you be the confam hypocrite here.



Dude, FYI, in 1895, the Yoruba rose against the then emir of ilorin, burnt his palace and killed him. But the revolt did not result in enthronement of a Yoruba king coz obviously their retention of the emirate is based on religious sentiments and nothing more -- that revolt would certainly have resulted in the enthronement of a Yoruba King if the motivation of the Yorubas that perpetrated that act was a desire for 'freedom' or 'emancipation' from emirate oppression and domination. In this case, Yorubas 'FUCCKED UP' an Emir, and what did your Northern masters do? NADA! The Sokoto Caliphate didn't DO SHYT in retaliation!

In 1913, when Lord Lugard administered the northern and southern Nigeria, Yorubas again spearheaded a riot over tax to bring the rulership of the then emir to ridicule. Again, the caliphate didn't do SHYT!

In 1936, the Yorubas of ilorin yet again ousted Emir Abdulkadir who was banished to Kaduna and it took the intervention of colonial administration to get him reinstated. Again in this case, the caliphate didn't do SHYT.

For all intents and purposes, the emirate is a mere traditional institution that exists only because ilorin Yorubas (not even the entire Kwara folks sef who are not under the traditional authority of the ilorin emir) still chose for it to remain, as the above history shows.

The SW Yorubas repelled the Fulanis advance toward Southern Yorubaland once and for all at Oshogbo (and ever since have been free from Fulani advance into our territory, unlike your state where you lots up till today are still finding it difficult to assert your authority over the ownership of jos), and were actually at a favourable position to forcefully take ilorin after the Oshogbo decimation of the Fulanis, but decided against it considering that the Yoruba muslims constituted the bulk of the ilorin army, and were content with the emirate. That is our history. Ilorin emirate traditional authority does not extend beyond ilorin coz virtually all the other major Yoruba towns in Kwara have Obas. #Fact. Hypocrite!

Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property

9jakool:
Ok, i thought you said Kabba diviasion. Yoruba kings in Kwara don't answer to Ilorin emir. Whenever you put the claim that Yorubas were included in the North, they always say that they were influence by Ilorin. Are you tellimg me that places like Offa and Omu Aran that were ruled by Oyo when the British arrive answer to ilorin? Does that make sense at all.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that tribes like Idomas, Igalas, Ogori-magongo, Igedes, Tivs were classified as northerners to me, cos they don't see themselves as northerners and neither do northerners see them as northerners.
It also doesn't make sense that a lot of northern tribes who were never conquered by the emirates were classified under the rulership of the emirate.

A lot of things don't make sense in Nigeria, of course.

The deed has already been done and i don't think it really matters why it was done anymore. The questions we should be asking ourselves are ;

> Where were the yorubas when their people were annexed to the north? Edo peoples union as i heard fought for Auchi to be returned to the South and it was, in exchange for parts of Igala land that were previously under Onitsha.

> What are the yorubas doing today about it?? Romancing hausa-fulanis politically i guess.

ODVanguard:
I tire o. Can you just imagine him using such demeaning language to refer to human beings as if they are slaves in this day and age. The same emirate that ilorin Yorubas once killed its emir and burned down his palace. The same Caliphate that Abacha, a Kanuri man, deposed its 'Sultan' at a point in time, and could have in fact abolished by fiat, since these traditional institutions are subject to the government. When will these people free themselves from such slavish mentality. Smh. The way some of these Northern tribes worship the Hausa-Fulani emirates defies logic. It's like they're worse than zombies. Straight-up bullshyt.

I love yoruba keyboard online warriors so much. They make some things look so easy.
Someone once said that ''if war was by mouth, yorubas would have been a world super power''

I can't believe a yoruba calling a Plateau man like myself a Hausa-fulani worshipper. Please, go and check when last a Hausa-fulani presidential candidate won election in Plateau state. Are you guys not the ones romancing Hausa-fulanis politically in Nigeria?? Nonsense!
You yoruba muslims especially, make me sick! Hypocrites!

Talking about Abacha fucking the Sultan up, yeah, only northerners can Bleep each other up. If it was a yoruba or Igbo, you know the rest.......

AbakalikiPress:
I thought You were actually beginning to sound meaningful and make sense with some of your older posts here, until I discovered that you were just another typical Northern Fulani asslicker.
"Properties of the caliphate" indeed.

Oh, you'd rather i be a 'yoruba ass licker' right? Nope. I will give you the raw truth no matter how bitter it is.

I don't have the time to ass-lick any tribe (especially the big 3, yoruba, hausa & Igbo). Cos i have no business or affinity with any of them. They are all problems of Nigeria as long as am concerned.

9jakool:
Blah blah blah.
This is exactly what's wrong with Nigeria. "Fight the North" has become the catchphrase of the day. As if you must get the North's approval before you can do something even on your own soil. Mschew! Na only the North dey get naija? Last I heard the Sokoto caliphate or any traditional institutions in general have no political power in Nigeria's politics arena or at least they say.

Now Ilorin can't be West because one emir is Sokoto's fanboy abi? If it wasn't for the British, the emirate system in Ilorin would have been abolished decades ago. Do you know how many times that emir's palace has been sacked? You can always trust the British to install puppets who will gladly fulfill their bidding against the will of the people.

*Facts deposed emirs back in the day who fail to do the British dirty job are banished and deposed in Lokoja.

Anyways speaking of Lokoja, the plight of the various ethnicities shall be respected, only the Yoruba speaking part of the city will be ceded to Okun state from Otokiti to Felele. Also, you do know that the Maigari has absolutely no control over Oworo territories. The Edu people can claim the non-Yoruba parts of the city

Some things are easier said than done.

Well, you guys are free to try your luck. But until then, Ilorin & Lokoja remain properties of the caliphate traditionally.

9jakool:
You don't need to misinform people.

Kabba division was a purely Okun division made up 4 Okun subgroups. The oworos were the only Okun group not included in Kabba div. Oworos were grouped under Kwara division which makes up present day Lokoja and Kogi LGAs. The Ebira and Ogori magongo were grouped mainly in the Igbira division.

Also, you assertion makes little sense. If Okun were considered North because of the Nupes, then why were areas controlled by Oyo ceded to the North as opposed to West?

'Mr i know it all' LoL. Where did you see me mention Kabba division? I was talking about Kabba province which included Kabba division, Koton-karfe division, Igala & Egbira divisions.
Pls differentiate colonial provinces from colonial divisions.

What areas controlled by Oyo were ceded to the north? Offa or Kwara south? If yes, i think those places have to be on the influence of Ilorin.
I heard that Ilorin had great influence on the surrounding yoruba territories. I heard that some Kings from Kwara south used to be crowned in Ilorin (in the past, but am not so sure).
The British respected and adored the emirates so much and were eager to please them.

pazienza:
It's not about Landmass. The entire Kogi put together have not a quarter of human resources Anioma have.
Think of Okonjos, Utomis, Elumelus, Ovias of this world.

Anioma also has crude oil and gas in the Ndokwa region.

There is simply no basis for the comparison. Anioma as a state will be more viable than the current entire Kogi state, let alone a part of Kogi that Okun represents.

All those names you are mentioning, what have they contributed to the development of Anioma land or Delta state?

Kogi or Okun state through the dredging of River Niger can have a viable inland sea port. The amount of Limestone, iron ore, coal, bauxite, dolomite, tin, tar, gold and even petroleum too and other mineral deposits in Kogi is unimaginable. Kogi has always been listed as the richest non- crude oil mineral state in Nigeria.
It's not just about crude oil alone. The stupid Nigerian fed govt have made us believe crude oil is everything we can see how crude oil in falling to irrelevancy in the world today.

Besides, how can you underestimate the power of a very fertile land mass? We are not talking of a large arid or semi- arid landmass here.
Okun land is also sparsely- populated. Imagine only about 1 million inhabitants to a land far bigger than the entire Enugu state. There is excess fertile land for agriculture.