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MtuMsuper:
You better develop a thick skin when dealing with the likes of 1966 boys like Nowenuse. You don't have to give him any explanations becoz you owe him none and he doesn't deserve any. When you deal with people like him in life ,you better be prepared for some epic bullsh!t, that's his stock in trade. Sad ,but true.



Kenyans who are living in any city/village/slum in nigeria, please come out and share your experience. Registering on NL is easy, if you have some basic computer knowledge. And even if you don't, theres always a first time for anything in life. Use a random name of your choice, nobody is here to judge you, all we need is your input into the discussion. Tokelezea tafadhali.

Thank you.

Hahaha, when countered with hard facts, this is the way you guys evade.
You guys probably thought Nigerians were low self esteem people who will watch you come and display your ill manners here and ridicule us on our own forum without a fierce rebuttal.
Hope you guys know how it sucks too.

Kenyans and most east Africans are not adventurous and are very local people, so don't expect any in Nigeria or elsewhere. Nairobi is the farthest their little minds can go.

The few Kenyans who have experienced Naija will never want to go elsewhere e.g Victoria Kimani who has both American and Kenyan citizenship but choose to base and remain in Nigeria where her music career has more prospects for success.
The other Kenyans in Naija are mostly women busy in deliverance churches in Nigeria or carrying the pregnancies (babies) of Nigerian men.

uzzyfire:
dude meningitis is in d northeast , that place is a different from Nigeria (to me) a as long as e no reach south ,west ,east na dem sabi

Oga pls stop this kind of terrible statement.

I am from the North-central but yet i have been defending the nefarious activities of your people (from the south) who have tarnished the image of Nigeria with kidnapping, drug dealing, international prostitution and huma trafficking, ritualist practices, scamming and defrauding.

We Middlebelters and northerners are also suffering for crimes your own people commit.
These are the prices we all have to pay for a big and diverse country.

nkwuocha1:
Rwanda even after the ethnic genocide are living and striving in peace. I thought the slogan here is"Unity in diversity ".Even in the next 100 years Nigeria will continue to blame anybody but themselves for their own failures.

Oga, everyone, especially most African nations have pros and cons.

Nigeria has been able to manage her large and diverse population as the largest country in Africa and is still making some progress, but Ethiopia, Sudan and Congo who had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th largest populations in SubSaharan Africa with all their rescources have all been divided by ethnic, religious and political wars today and are like shadows of their past.

If it was easy to manage a large and diverse population and still make progress, why couldn't Ethiopia, Sudan and Congo who are all about half of Nigeria's population do it?

Egypt the only large African country working well and better is 90% homogenous with one ethnicity and religion.

Nigeria even deserves kudos and praises for making it this far and still showing the world that a large diverse Black African nation can still make some progress united.

nkwuocha1:
So Ghana deported Chinese? Wow! Yet Nigerians are importing them. Giving them our dollars to take back to China. Even thieves from China prisons are paid better in Nigeria than a Harvard Nigerian graduate.

Population is also an advantage as well as disadvantage. Depends on how the leadership and the ruled choose to make the best of that population. I was watching NTA sports the other day and realise how good the Chinese were in all kind of sports. Just like their population, they seem to be everywhere, culture, Education, Sports, tourism, Technology,Medicine,Labour and man power.This is a country that even with its massive population, corrupt officials are severely dealt with, no sentiments. Nigeria population is useless as the only thing we are good at is spreading epidemic diseases around.

Keep giving excuses why Nigeria is backward. The British should have not have given us independence. Clearly we are more backward than ever.

Your last paragraph sounds like an appeal. Unfortunately, Nigeria may only move forward when a full restructuring is done. Until then let's agree to disagree that indeed we are lacking way behind as a country.

You are a very sentimental person. Learn to shelf your sentiments when engaging in a public discourse. You are not the only one frustrated about happenings in Naija. Many of us are, even worse than you are. The only difference btw us and your likes is that we have learnt to juxtapose sentiments with fair analogies and underlying causes of issues and not just how they are bloated from the surface.

Yes population is an advantage and disadvantage, i'm glad you said that. So, i hope you do will not deny that there are aspects in which Nigeria has used her large population beneficially as much as our large population is causing harm to us. So, why is it that your likes prefer to augment only our negativities?

You cannot really compare China a communist Nation where things are done by force without the people's opinion to a democratic Nigeria where everyone has a say in aspects like dealing with corruption and other issues. That is terrible analogy.

Talking about restructuring, yes i am very much in support of it.
However, some states in Nigeria have proven to us that with or without restructuring, Nigeria can still work.

Gombe state is not an oil producing state and infact they have one of the lowest internally generated revenue in Nigeria because it is a 'baby' state created in 1996 with no financial or industrial centre, but this state has some of the best roads, health care centres and schools in Nigeria (for their small population). How was this possible??

The Nigerian federal govt does not give a hoot about tourism, but how did Cross river state transform itself to a hub of tourism in west Africa with no oil derivation money??

Look at Lagos state and see the kind of progress it is making, what about Akwa Ibom state (with the former governor)?

The problem with many Nigerians is that we focus on the federal govt too much, forgetting or pardoning our state govts to do whatever they like with the billions of Naira they receive and generate.
What stops our state govts from developing their own electricity (as Lagos and Enugu states are planning on doing)? What stops them from creating their own industries and exporting the products of their own industries?

Nigeria needs restructuring, yes, but even without restructuring, we can still make tremendous progress, but this to a large extent depends on your state govts.

Some fools expect the federal govt to build primary schools for them, they expect the FG to tar their streets or clear their gutters for them. Is that not the height of stupidity?

nkwuocha1:
Lol. 80% small sef .
Na by phone? Na by facebook? Na WA ooo. Abi you no no say people wey no get bank account for Nigeria plenty pass people wey get? Bros if Kenya get quarter if Wetin we get, we for no dey smell their Yansh. Nigeria no try be say e no try. I know say you dey defend your country, carry on. Nothing do you.

And if Kenya had as much population, ethno-religious diversity and faulty colonial policies as Nigeria. They would have been divided or been in irredeemable chaos like Sudan or Congo.

nkwuocha1:
Many Nigerians are frustrated so I won't get agree with your outburst. And yes! Nigeria is a frustrating country .Quit comparing other European and Asian countries to the argument here. How many Kenyans do you see in Nigeria? How many of your country men are in Kenya as immigrants? How many Kenyans are in your university? Do Kenya have the same resources like Nigeria? Do they have same population with you? There's no point daring me, Nigeria is developed only in papers and internet. Have a good day!

Chinese and Lebanese people migrate all over the world to the extent that Ghana deported thousands of Chinese illegal workers some years ago. Does than make Ghana better than Lebanon or China?

Don't you know that the more the population of a country, the more difficult it is to cater for everyone? China would never have been able to make good progress if they had not enforced the one child policy with brutal force (and of course, this can only happen in a communist country that China is). Can it ever happen in a democratic settings like Nigeria?

At Nigerian independence in 1960, the British left us with 50 million people (present day Kenya's population) and 90% (45 million of the 50) were illiterates.
What would the illiterate population do if not to keep proliferating to find us with the large population we have now? What progress do you expect from a predominantly illiterate nation if not the crisis, wars and coups which have delayed our progress for decades??

We all know that Nigeria can do better, but one thing many of you guys do not understand is that colonial policies and foundations are what affected the African race and people. Some countries had more terrible and faulty colonial policies and administration than others and it will take decades, centuries or forever for Africans to overcome some of these besetting effects of faulty colonial policies.

nkwuocha1:
Nigerians also do that so what's your point? Your pastors here burn congregants to death, so whats your point? Your senators marry underage girls so what's your point? Your governor blame disease outbreak on Allah's vengeance, so what's your point?

Many African countries no longer want you so what's your point?Nigerians are in other African universities because of the low standards we have here so what's your point? My sister, a very intelligent lady wrote jamb three times, until I got pissed off and sent her out of Nigeria. Now her grades is so much of a potential First Class, now tell me what the hell is your point? Thanks to other African countries with good educational standards else many young talented Nigerians will lose focus in their education. Please stop blowing Nigerians trumpet, nothing is working here.

LoL.
Many Japanese, Koreans, Chinese and even Europeans go to the USA to school, does that mean that their educational systems are so faulty?

Many African countries no longer want us yet they cannot do without our Music, movies and worshipping our entertainers, they cannot stop coming to our churches, they cannot stop wearing our cultural attires and copying our styles.
Who is now fooling who?

Check top 200 or 100 universities in Africa, more Nigerian universities made the rank than all other countries except South Africa and Egypt.
This is because Nigeria spends so much to try and develop the dozens of her universities while other African countries like Ghana and Kenya will spend all their money in developing only 1 or 2 universities and abandon the rest.

Can you compare how much Nigerian university students pay for tuition compared to other African countries? We have some of the cheapest universities in the world which even the poorest Nigerians can afford. Do you think it is like that in other countries?

So what is your point exactly?

Every country has it's advantages and disadvantage!

OreMI22:
Nigeria is truly an evil empire.

If it was not so big, it would have been very clear that Kenya is much more developed.

Nigeria with all its gas,coal and oil still lacks power more than the poorest African countries

Yes! And that is the price we pay for being a large Nation! That does not mean we also do not have advantages that come with us for being a large nation.

Many smaller countries like Canada, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Austria e.t.c rank far higher than USA in terms of development and standard of living. But, does that stop the USA from being the world super power? Hell NO!

nkwuocha1:
Lol. Why would Nigeria have widelife when we eat everything including ourselves.

This argument is between Nigeria and Kenya. But we can still compare Nigeria with Congo and not Kenya if that's the case. Atleast comparing too useless country with abundance of resources makes more sense.

Large population with more than 80% living in abject poverty.

You argue like a lay man and a frustrated person bursting with so much emotions!

Japan, Korea, USA e.t c do not have wildlife compared to Kenya or Tanzania, does that mean that Japanese, Koreans and Americans also eat all the animals in their country?

World bank says that only 33% of Nigerians live below the poverty line. What is your source of 80%?

Mention one aspect in which Kenya is better than Nigeria and i will mention 3 aspects Nigeria is better than Kenya. I dare you!

nkwuocha1:
And Nigeria is not divided between the rich and poor? Muslims and Christians? Privileged North and under privileged south? Tell me what do you have in Nigeria? Are you paying salaries? Where are your 15,000 doctors heading to? Where is your goddamned President?

See!
We are not here defending Nigeria because Nigeria is a good country, we are only defending Nigeria because people from equally terrible African countries have no rights to insult Nigerians when their own countries are no better.
Get the difference into your thick skull!

Do you think any Nigerian would ever argue with a Canadian, Belgian, Malaysian or Korean if they castigate our country?

Do you think other countries do not have their own challenges and problems too?

nkwuocha1:
We have more pressing issue here than insulting other countries that are striving hard, (even with lesser human and natural resources) to become African's best.

Big brother Nigeria my foot! Burning petty thieves in broad daylight and cry foul when tey are butchered in far away SA.

People burn each other alive in Kenya on accusations of witchcraft.
So what is your point?
Other African countries do not kill other Africans in their midst, why only SA?

nkwuocha1:
Stop all this chest beating!! Defending Nigeria is like pouring water in basket these days, it's simply useless. You no dey shame, even with your oil and natural resources, Kenya still dey drag development with you. Nonsense!!!

Does Nigeria have the kind of wildlife Kenya has? Are they not using their wildlife to generate billions through their tourism sector?

Congo is one of the richest countries in the world in terms of rescources, where are they today?

Nigeria has a very large population to cater for with the oil proceeds.

14:
Nigerians are so obsessed with their GDP. Does the GDP build you infrustructure. First of all, ask yourself how your GDP was calculated, when you have 6 different FX Rates. You dont tweak the numbers for you to look rich while you are poor. Zimbabwe has well functioning infrustructure that is way better than Nigeria, 24hr electricity supply, drinkable water supply, sewage system, well structured cities, rail way lines connecting the entire country, free ways.

Then, how come 70% of Zimbabweans are still living below the poverty line?

Ikechukwuni6:
Thank you!!! It makes me laugh and I see Nigerians insulting other African countries. They don't realize how backwards Nigeria is. Sometimes I wish they will actually give all Nigerians opportunity to go visit other African countries for them to realize how f***** up the country they claimed "Giants of Africa" truly is.

All African countries are backwards and no one has the right to insult or mock the other.

Where one performs woefully the other performs well and vice versa.

Ngokafor:
...India is much better than Nigeria.

How is India better than Nigeria?
A country where one-quarter of the population are classified as scheduled caste and tribes and are condemned to poverty and unpriviledge forever?

Do you know that hundred ot thousands of Indians die every year from Animal bites? Snake, monkeys e.t.c?

nkwuocha1:
No need going round in circles!!! Let's deal with meningitis first, heard death toll almost nearing a thousand now.

And how does it relate with the discourse. What is your point?

nkwuocha1:
If ordinary Benin republic fit get light pass Nigeria, na Kenya no go come better pass naija?

By the way, about going to Kenya, I think I will make that my leave destination. A British friend of mine has been inviting me for long now.

Is electricity the only criteria used to judge the progress of a nation?

Do you know that Nairobi is only divided btw the rich and the poor? There is no active and thriving average and low middle class population. Is that what you call progress?

nkwuocha1:
Bro we have more slums in Nigeria here then in Kenya. Don't mind that dude, he is trying too hard. Unfortunately, I'm a Nigerian.Nigeria is a cesspit!

Don't just utter nonsense. Prove it with facts!

Nairobi, kenya's capital and finacial centre is poorer than the national average of the country in per capital income because over 60% of the city's population live in slums and are unproductive.

Is that the same case with Lagos, PH, Abuja or other financial centres in Nigeria?

Kenyanstar:
That is entirely not true... your statement lacks in basic facts. Its a fact that North African countries like Libya, Tunisia and Morocco unlike Nigeria who have same natural resources is that them North Africans have used their resource to enrich its people. Nigeria has used its reserves to oppress its citizens, how can a country being 8th largest producer of oil but cannot sustain any major public funded infrastructural development.
Can you rate Kenya's development record in the last 20yrs in comparison to Nigeria's own record over the same period in this sectors?
1. Transport
2. Currency
3. Education
4. Health
5. Economic

This is just rubbish.
How has Kenya made any progress when only the rich benefit from the progress? Making only the rich richer and more comfortable?
Nairobi county is poorer than the national average of Kenya because over 60% of the people in the capital city live in slums and are unproductive.
What health, economic or transportation progress have the millions of Nairobi slum dwellers who are the majority of the city made?

vaxx:
let me tell you yhe real trutb today. nigerians are in ghana becuse it is enabling enviroment to start business. check best country to do business. ghana is ahead of nigeria. accra and lagos are not yet a mega city or can be consider as one.kenya capital is a bit ahead.

another reason nigerians go to ghana is education. there is a flexible approach to education in ghana making education available to everyone.

Ghana is peaceful and secured compare to nigeria. these are just the few reasons

Pls, what is Kenya's capital ahead of? In slums or what?
A city where over 60% of the population live in slums?
A city that is poorer than the national average?

mtis:
Does everything in Naija rotate on one's complexion... if its not about white south africans its about kenyan indians..Dont you guys have white or asians in your country

They may be in our country but we don't really give a fucck about them. God forbid for them to come and be dominating business sectors in our country.

mtis:
You are obsessed with Kenyan Indians..please stop they are not Nigerians they are Kenyans

Obsessed my foot. You guys are the ones trying to desperately make it look like they are equally Kenyans like you are, whereas they are only in your country to milk the rescources and take it back to India.

Little wonder they are the richest.
Black Kenyans are almost no different from Black South Africans.

kilo4sure:
We go to Kenya and Ghana to expand our territory becos of the competition in Naija, people l know from warri consider Lagos and Abuja as mega cities to make it big in business and entertainment but becos of the competition would rather go to Ghana so they can dominate. People go to school in Ghana becos of how difficult jamb and post jamb is, and how difficult it is to go to unilag or uniben due to population and competition from post jamb.
Another reason is lack of constant power, and our leaders do little about this, perhaps to continually allow the generator business thrive. Tell me why do Nigerians go to chad and seirrealeone?

This is very true.

I have observed that most Nigerians who travel to Ghana and other African nations to hussle are usually from Delta, Edo and South-east.
Lagosians and others hardly travel to other African countries to hussle, except maybe for schooling.

fanficgirl:
African women marry white men for money. Do Indian men have money?

Yes u are right, but is it really all African women that marry white men for money? Someone like Chimamanda Adichie, can you really say she married a white man because of money?

PissedYagami:
So intermarriages proves there is no racism? People tend to marry from their race, ethnicity, tribes etc That's why you have 500 plus tribes in Nigeria. Plus most Indians are Hindus, blacks are mostly Christians and Muslim, religion barrier. Thats why Jewish communities are still alive today, not assimilated. So thats a thick point you are making

You are just making no sense.
A lot of Jews marry outside their religion. If you want, i can list dozens that i know.

As terribly divided as Sudanese and south Sudanese people were in terms of race, religion and culture, when the country divided, there were many people from interracial, inter ethnic and inter religious homes who were caught up. Same thing with colonial India. There were Hindu and Muslim couples.
When a group of people with different cultures, religion and race have to live together and share the same space and identity, overtime, inter marriage must occur even though it would be of very little percentage unless in a case of slave-master relationship like Colonial America.

Majority of Core-northern Nigerians are die hard muslims who even believe in sharia law, but even at that, cases of interreligious marriages do occur.

If cases like this cannot occur in Kenya, then it shows that Indian Kenyans are only Kenyans by mouth and not by heart. They are still yet to accept the Black Kenyans as their people.

How many of them participate in your local entertainment industry and socialize with your people? How many feature in the local swahili movies, musics and comedy?

Nowenuse:
KENYANS should help out here.

One thing i have observed with Kenyan cities is that it is just between the rich who live in very developed areas and the very poor masses in slum areas.
Pls, we want to see the areas where the average and lower middle income Nairobians and Mombasa people live cos you guys can't tell us that they all live in the expensive city centres.

In Lagos state for instance, you have Victoria island, Banana island, Lagos island, Ikoyi, Ajah, Lekki, Ikeja e.t.c mostly for the rich and high middle class people.

You have Yaba, Festac, Maryland, Ilupeju, Apapa, Gbagada, Anthony, Ikorodu, Surulere, Iyana-ipaja e.t.c mostly for the high, average and fewer low middle class people.

While you have the likes of Mushin, Ajegunle, Bariga, Shomolu, Agege e.t.c mostly for the poor and few low middle class people.

Okay, let Kenyans here help to list the names and show us the average and low middle income areas of Nairobi and Mombasa (excluding the slums). If not, this will further prove that Nairobi is divided only btw the rich and poor and will further butress the reason why Nairobi slums are large.

I will also be ready to show the average, lower middle income and even poor areas of Lagos state.

Any Kenyans up for the challenge?

TayserMahiri, mtis, Jay254, Kenyanstar, MtuMsuper, Muafrika2, gallivant

What a shame! So, no Kenyan could come up with a challenge?
This has clearly shown the reason why more than half of the people in Nairobi live in slums and the reason why Nairobi and Mombasa are poorer than the national average.
The city is deeply divided only btw the rich and the poor. There is no active developing average and low middle class population.

bruno554:
Now below are pics of Zimbabwe

This is Harare the capital city. Aside the capital city, you will not find anything like this.
Why is the poverty rate of the country so high? @70%
Why are their people still dying to go to SA even with their small population if their country is so good?

Jay254:
unifying factor is the language we use...

Their is more interactions here btwn Nija,Ghana,S.A and Kenya... All were under the Brits and are major economies in Africa.. we both have neighbours we don't socialize much with...

I think we should take pride in our diversity...

Through this thread in one way or another we have learnt one or two thinks from this countries...

You have a point.

I have always wondered why is it that Anglophone African countries seem to be more progressive than the francophone ones. Although the margin is small though or ruled out if we include french speaking North african countries like Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria who are progressive.

This french-english divide has seriously divided Black Africans.

fanficgirl:
. They also tend to be unattractive, their own women don't want them.

U are wrong. Not all Indian men are ugly.
Abt the small d issue.
White men also have smaller Ds than black men, but African women still marry them.
The problem should be more or less the Indian culture which discourages marrying outside your caste let alone your race.

Are there no Kenyans up for the challenge?

This is Festac town, Lagos for instance, it is the combination of the good, the bad and the ugly.
for mostly average, low and high middle class people.