₦airaland Forum

Maduawuchukwu:
This is true. When u don't mix up with someone hw can u appreciate that the person is just a human like you with his/her good sides and flaws? Northerners too do not like discussing with other people about their region. It is not a shame that u have more active Kenyans than northerners on a Nigerian blog?
If they mix more many stereotypes will be overlooked just as the mixing between Igbo and Yoruba people has lessened real life enmity and the possibliity of violence between them.

LoL, are you trying to say that there are more Kenyans than Northerners on nairaland? This is a thread abt Kenya.
Northerners are very active on facebook however (almost as equally as Southerners).
Most northerners and Southerners do not meet on friendly and intelligent threads online most times, so they never bother to learn about each other.
How many Southerners are willing to learn about the north in the first place??

Another thing is that take the case of nairaland for instance where Igbos and Yorubas have turned it to a bashing ground. You can hardly find educated northerners and middlebelters involved in such display of immaturity. They will just ignore and stay out of it.

chkil0:
kabyle school classes are optional , but this last years kabyle language is promoted , So many Algerians will little by little relearn their ancestral language.

for secularism algeria , According to the law, islam is the official religion of the state and constitution protects religious freedom , so drinking alcohol in the street or in public is forbidden ! but their is Liquor stores, bars and nightclubs ! to resume you can drink eat during ramadan, party in nightclubs ect ... just don t do it in public to not disturb others , drink at your home or in bars , hotels or isolated place no one will talk to you ! i think its the same for tunisia morrocco !

for subsahara question its not my first account here in nairaland , and i m in subsaharians forums , web site for more then 10 years

Ok.
Why your interest and openess to SubSaharan Africans if i may ask?

Do Maghrebis value and cherish the Arab brotherhood?

Was it really true that the Berbers were a christian people before they were islamized and arabized by the arabs? How do berbers or Algerians relate to the history that they were arabized and islamized by Arabs?

Do Algerians/Maghrebis practice an islamic wedding, traditional/cultural weddings or court weddings?

Many Southern Nigerians enjoy insulting and mocking Northern Nigerians because they are ignorant and don't understand that the cultures and terrain of the North are not the same with the south.

See the way most southern Nigerians have abandoned farming and have all migrated to the cities to form posh and civilized. If all Northerners behaved that way, i swear, Nigerians would starve.
Northern Nigeria is still the reason why Nigeria is not importing tomatoes, Onions, Potatoes, Beans, Groundnut, Carrots, Cucumbers and many other foodstuffs.
The pressure on northerners is now becoming too much, and many have started leaving farming to the cities too. Nigerian govt must act fast and do something about this, if not, the kind of food scarcity, starvation and food importation that will hit Nigeria will be terrible.

Am i saying the truth or not?
@Maduawuchukwu, 9jakool, freshest4live, forgiveness, uzzyfire, iblawi, shervydman, shaytun, Obi1kenobi

mtis:
The system might be good but look at this an tell me if its fair..

Anambra – Male (139) Female (139)
Zamfara -- Male (4) Female (2)

serious 2 vs 139.. 2 is closer to zero

That's why i said it is fair and unfair at the same time.

In Anambra for example, 50,000 students (who are probably more intelligent and exposed) will apply, while in Zamfara only 5,000 students (who are less intelligent and exposed) will apply. And there are limited spaces.

If you don't protect the Zamfara students with such laws, they will have no space.

It's just like bringing students from Nairobi central area to compete with students from a village in Garissa. Is that fair?

forgiveness:
At Ijebu Ode yesterday(on my way to... ), I ate rice with two flesh for 200 naira and I still bought some things on the way. When I got my destination, I still ate food.

My point is 1.8 dollars is equivalent to almost 500 naira.

If 89 million Nigerians are living below 500 naira per day,, it is because the cost of living is cheaper than the country comparing itself to Nigeria.

If that is not the case, starvation would have killed people.

@mtis.
Very true! ...The cost of living in Nigeria is very very cheap and coupled with that, most Nigerians are hardworking.
This is the reason why you will never hear of starvation in Nigeria (if not for Boko haram or any other political instability).
Core-northern Nigerians wouldn't have been deemed as poor people, if not for their illiteracy and over breeding. This is because they farm a lot and have excess of food.

In northern Nigerian villages and smaller towns, many people do not buy food, because they produce food in excess.

The Nigerian govt have refused to encourage farmers and villagers (northerners especially) with the necessary amenities in the rural areas and this is why it seems like they are poor people, but in the real sense, they are not.

My maternal grandmother who was an illiterate village farmer built good houses in the towns and trained about 7 children through school with her farming.

chkil0:
entertainement you talk about films, tv serie ? they use local language (algerian tunisian moroccan) , like most arab country the period rich in production is Ramadan ( the month of fasting in islamic calender) , because people watch tv at table during and after the dinner ! specialy Drama, humor productions , they use local algerian language , ! their is also theatres , one man show ect ... from french arabic tradition ! ( they use algerian , arabic and french also) , their is also french-algerian film producers in france who produce films in algeria with french language !


for berber language unfortunately I do not speak it i know only few words , but my fiancee speak it so i will learn soon , berber language is spoken in the street in some region ( kabylie north-center-east algeria for exemple) , in other regions they speak local algerian ,
for pourcentage i dont know for morocco , tunisia dont have many berberophons , for algeria i would say 30% speak berber , ! they introduce kabyle language at primary middle school this last 10 years ! during my time it was not taught !

Ok i see.

With this current introduction of Kabyle in Algerian schools, does it mean that most Algerians will start speaking kabyle in the future?
Is there a sort of Berber identity resurrection or promotion among Algerians?

Is drinking alcohol, clubbing and partying allowed in Algeria? Is there any body or society for regulating extreme secularism in the country?

Also feel free to ask me any question about Nigeria, West Africa or SubSaharan Africa.

Maduawuchukwu:
That one dey sha. But educatio came to most parts of the middle belt same time with far north. Middle belt don step up but far north no wan follow Na wa o.

Middlebelters are closer to the south and we socialize with the south. We were influenced more by the south (our christian and liberal muslim nature also helped here). Gradually, we ourselves will start influencing the core-north.

If you look at the core-north, Kano, Kaduna and Katsina seem to be doing somewhat better or improving. This is because of the higher urbanization of these places.
Core-northerners seem to improve with urbanization.

bantudark:
look,,,apc can not loose in 2019....no matter what parties merge toghether....the south east is not enough to win....

i want to see how you wan convince the north to be on your side now after your people insulted them so much...forget the yorubas,they are pissed about south easterners...oyo...

Oga, who are you to speak for the north? Everyone should speak for his or her own state or geo-political zone.
The north is not one entity and will not vote as one.
I am from the North-central.

Maduawuchukwu:
Yeah. quota system is one of the means through which the Nigerian government ensures that all regions are represented in the Central administration so that we will reduce the fear of domination which is the crux of Nigerian nationhood. I feel that is much more than just an enabler for educationally disadvantaged states to catch up because it has failed in that regard. Competition is even a better means of enabling catch up for instance, the case of Ebonyi was like the north in terms of education but competition from other Igbo states has made them catch up with other educated Nigerian states.

You are right, but i think competition can only work for those who are surrounded or neighboured by competitive people. Ebonyi people saw the need to catch up because their neighbours are progressing.

What about the unprogressive people who are equally surrounded or neighboured by unprogressive people? Where do you expect them do draw inspiration from?

freshest4live:
But language barrier is another problem. We no longer take French seriously in our schools like it was in the Abacha era. It's more of a problem for the franchopone countries because English is universal. Cameroon is closer to us than the lot because they speak both languages.

I really don't see any unity btw Nigerians and Cameroonians. Where is it? We are even closer to GH than CA. The french speakers dominate everything about CA.
Francophone countries do not have much disadvantage as u think. French is almost equally a scientific and technological language as much as English. So, why do u feel they will be under pressure to learn English?

JiggamanGh, trains will not solve the divide. Only a common language will.

gallivant:
His ethnic group has no relevance in this discussion. He is Kenyan.

See amebo, aproko, tatafo wetin consain u?

vaxx:
unification was the dream of the true legend son of africa.kwame inkrumah and gaddafi. a good idea i think but not feasible becuse of corruption and sellfishness. from the articule i read somewhere. inkrumah suggest to balewa to acquitre benin republic while he will acquire togo land. but this siggestion was turn down by balewa. ghana was able to acquire part of togo
land which are today ewe community.

Hmm, the good thing about unification is that it helps those who are not progressing to be tagged along by those who are progressing. It also reduces the chances of political instability.

India looks better than Africa today, but we have more rescources than them and i think we should be more progressive than them, but a unified political boundary has helped them overcome wars unlike Africa where war and political instabilities have besetted us.

Imagine the large human disaster that would have been if northern Nigeria was a country of it's own. You would have had 3 or more times the refugees of Somalia all over. But you can see that the progress and rescources of the south has helped to put that in check. The southerners are carrying the northerners along.

We all Black Africans must progress as one, if not, the one who makes progress alone will also suffer the failures of his neighbour.
See the way Nigèrien beggars are all over Nigerian streets messing up our cities. If they had been part of Nigeria, they would have at least been like the core-northern Nigerians and many of them would have progressed at least better than they are now.

mtis:
That hilarious man..is like telling your student just write your name down an everything will be Okie. Anyway i don't think its a fair competition

Yes, it may not appear fair, but i think it is.

Take me for instance, education came to my hometown around 1940, while it reached some villages in my place as late as 1970. Infact, till date, my mother's village and some neighbouring villages do not have a primary or secondary school, they had to and still have to trekk kilometres away to a small neighbouring town to attend primary school. And this is even Plateau state that has an advantage to some extent.
Now imagine the case with places like Taraba or Zamfara where majority of them live in villages and people do not have schools till today. Infact you may never understand this until you have been to some interior northern villages.

This is not and never was the case with most Southerners wo received education earlier and better.

MtuMsuper:
Would have loved to know where those stats are from, though. But seriously, there is a serial lack of opportunity amongst the 18-35 age group. How else would you explain this national obsession to simply get out.and go anywhere but home? Those crossing the Sahara and Mediterranean are the more extreme examples, but even so, their numbers just seem never to run dry!

The funniest part of this is that about 80% of the Nigerians who cross the Sahara to Europe are from 1 particular state in Nigeria (Edo state). I schooled in University of Benin, Edo state, so i know the capital city very well.
The city is quite a big city with probably up to 2 million people now. Almost every native of this city has a family member(s) abroad that sends money back home. This is like the economic pillar of the city. So many parents even encourage or pressurize their children to go to Europe through any means possible. It is very very sad. Many others are deceived or trafficked.

The trend is gradually reducing now believe me, as more young guys from the state prefer to go into internet fraud than an illegal journey to Europe. Many more are also becoming enlightened.

As for those who migrate to other parts of Africa or those who migrate legally. It is not really due to poverty. Especially the Igbo traders. For many, it is due to competition, they are looking for a softer ground.

If you know the population of Southerners (Igbos especially) in Borno state (ravaged by boko haram), you will be shocked! Igbos are all over northern cities and even villages, even into Niger republic, Chad, Benin, Mali, Togo, Burkina faso e.t c. But does this mean that all these places are more developed than Southern Nigeria? Hell NO! .....Many Southern Nigerians are just very opportunistic and adventurous.

MtuMsuper:
And then i stumbled upon this https://www.nairaland.com/3778396/cut-off-marks-entrance-federal-government
How is this even going on? Which kinda teacher tells his student that a mark of 2 is a cut off mark!

That is being done in order to encourage the educationally less advantaged to go to school.

Different Nigerian states are believed to have different educational advantages and this is quite true. Education reached some places before others.

chkil0:
Maghrebi regional unity fail because of western sahara case ! + hypocrisy , this subject of dispute is used by the two leaders to divert the public opinion in case of internal problems . + during algerian terrorism black periods (1991-2001) no on help and morocco helped terrorist . + smuggling, algerian gasoline, medicines, food are passed on to Morocco and on their side they return only cannabis (Morocco 1st producer of cannabis in the world), so the Algerians do not see the interest to open economic relations with morocco . in the others side economic relation is very open between algeria tunisia .

for morocco to join ecowas its not to algeria the message was to the europeen union ! morocco has made many official requests to join europe but was refused and had a previligie statue of economic exchanges, just before the declaration of Morocco on the ECOWAS the European commission blocked some moroccan exports product produced from the occupied Western sahara territory thats why they make this Poker Bluff about ECOWAS

for politicians they speak in official language ( traditional arab) , The current Prime Minister is one of the first to make speeches in Algerian local language . french is more for intellectuals events because we study in French science at the university level )


for liberalism islamism , you have to come visit maghrebins cities to see the paradox , we live like europeens with some hypocrisy regard the religion , official statistic said 99% are muslims but in many maghrebins cities you will not see the difference from some europeens . for my self view (i m atheist) maghreb have a moderate islam and are more liberal then many countries around the world !

Ok, thanks for the enlightenment.

It is very obvious that Morocco is a very selfish country. They want to dominate others. They are also not interested in brotherhood with you guys. I personally think all these negative ways come from their monarchy.
They also are not ready to let go off western sahara.

I know they want to penetrate west Africa in order to dominate our economy.

Yes, i fully agree, Maghrebis, the turkish, albanians and probably Indonesians are the most liberal muslim people and nations in the world.

How is the entertainment industry like in the maghreb? We know nothing about this in SubSaharan Africa.
Which language do you guys use in entertainment? French, local arabic or standard arabic?

Do you speak local berber language? What percentage of maghrebis speak berber and identify themselves ad such? (Hope u don't mind my many questions, i am a very inquisitive person).

MtuMsuper:
Why is it that most nigerian elites tend to shun the topic of (very real) poverty by either falsifying facts or else presenting a denial? Especially when the fact of decades of oil wealth is known.

The thing is that extreme poverty in Southern Nigeria is quite low and most cannot relate with it due to the huge middle class population over there.
Extreme poverty in Southern Nigeria is as low as 15%, believe me. Especially in large Southern urban areas like the city i am now (Warri city). Extreme poverty here should be as low as 5%. This is why most urban Southern Nigerians cannot relate with it.

Extreme poverty in North-central Nigeria should be around 35%. As north-central people are mostly christians and liberal muslims, increasingly adopting Southern culture and leaving poverty.

The problem with Nigeria is North-east and North-west regions where the average poverty level is around 70%.

Any agency judging with these 2 regions will easily conclude the majority of Nigerians to be poor. This is the issue here.

chkil0:
- we speak our local language ( not the ancestral amazigh ) but our local language a mix between modified arab , french spanish with local modification ! we can understand moroccan tunisian algerian easily ! look the same with minor modification . other arabs dont understand our language

- for lybians egyptians they are little different culture and not close for us , they are a little more arabs ! so tteir is no strong links .

- for africa united dont think this model have population support specialy with the failure of the european Union model ! and failure of the maghreb regional union , honnestly for basic poeple in maghreb they dont have a lot of interest in sub saharian africa ! my friends are surprised by my interest in sub saharian african forums and poeple ! but for gouvernment (morocco ,algeria specially) they have a lot of economics, devlopment, politic project with the rest of the continent since 1960s . of cours we have many subsaharians students and migrants here also !

Hmm
I expected as much.

Why did Maghrebi regional unity fail? A united Maghreb would have been a powerful force to reckon with in Africa.
You can imagine that Morocco is now requesting to join us in ECOWAS (although we all know that they have ulterior motives).
So, in what context do maghrebis speak french with each other? Do your leaders and politicians speak it to the masses on any occasions?

I'd also like to know from your own personal point of view, do you think that Maghrebis should generally accept more liberalism or more islamism?

9jakool:
Actually it depends on the person. I have seen many Hausa Muslims befriend Yoruba Muslims as well as Christians alike. Some Hausa may share those views, however I think it would be wrong to generalize them like that. In many parts if the SW, it's not uncommon to see Hausa and Yoruba in the same mosque, but it depends. I've heard that there are Yoruba imams in Abuja mosques who lead a congregation of mostly Hausa muslims. I like what you said about progressive society irregardless of religion. In Algeria and Libya, literacy including female literacy is very high. I even heard that there are more female lawyers than male lawyers in Algeria. I wish Northern part of Nigeria can adopt that form of approach to education and secularization and that starts by removing shariah law.

You are very correct.

All we other Nigerians can do is to give the core-northerners some time to catch up in terms of education.
Seriously, their main problem is illiteracy.
Most educated Core-northerners are not extremists and are fastly willing to adopt secularization. The fewer educated extremists and the illiterate masses are the ones dragging the society backward.

Look at this link below and see that North-east and North-west indigenes recorded the highest growth in average for Jamb registrations in Nigeria for the period of 6 years.

https://www.nairaland.com/3709501/see-jamb-applications-geopolitical-regions

Check north-central and see that we have almost caught up with the south in terms of education, but it was not so in the past.

Many northerners are now leaving their villages and illiterate enclaves and gradually getting exposed.
Remeber that education came 50 years earlier to thr south.

@MtuMsuper

Kenyans on the other hand tend to be more exposed, educated, enlightened, enterprising, competitive, aspiring, daring and hard-headed than Tanzanians from my own personal observation.

As for Uganda, i think they are just there. They appear more like Kenyans but an older version of Kenyans (pardon my indiscretion, i hope no one takes them personal).

MtuMsuper:
Not entirely. Education levels in that country are too low. Superstitious behaviours rife. Ignorance and disease like theyre from Mars or Pluto.
What good does stability have when youre not prosperous?

True. But at least they are making some progress and are not regressing.
I think TZ took the swahilinization thing too far. It somehow secluded them and made them quite local in mentality.

But the way Tanzanians portray themselves in their musics, movies an tv shows seems very contrasting with what we are saying about them. Why is that so?

(I may be wrong) but they seem to have a higher urbanized and lively social population than other East Africans from what i have observed. They also tend to appear more beautiful, neat, reserved, civilized, friendly, classy, easy-going and cool-headed than Kenyans (am very sorry if i seem too indiscreet), that's just my sincere and personal observation from Tanzanians and Kenyans i see on TV. Why is this so?

vaxx:
dakar is beaitiful like ivory coast. they have lot of well respected scholarsl than ivory coast.senegal has a little natural resources compare to ivory coast. ivory coast is the largest producer of cocoa in the world. they even have oil but the oil issue is still in court against ghana. i will not fully agree with you if you think ivory coast is better than senegal. not any major diffrence.

You are correct. Senegalese are more educated than Ivorians, i can never dispute that.
I never said Dakar is not beautiful, but it is not really as developed as Abidjan from what i have observed. Senegal seems to have a better human development while Ivory coast a better economic development i guess.

At the end of the day however, we are still almost at the same level.

West Africa appears too fragmented. What do you think about the unification of West Africa as one country?

chkil0:
no, algerians and tunisians are very close ! for tunisia its the most close country to algerians the relationship is excellent ! for exemple 1,8 millions algerian tourists went to tunisia in 2016 !

for morocco we have some politics problems because in independancy 1962 morroco sent its army and try to still a part of our land and their was little military fights in borders ! but now days its only politics problems between the two gouvernment about western sahara
for population in internet you will find the competition ( my country is better then yours ) like you nigerians and south africans in this forum

for tunisian yes under bourguiba president (1957- 1987) they try to erase radical islamism ( banned hijab at school in 1957 ) the sam with benali after him , but after tnisian revolution they are more free to wre or not hijab , same like algeria morocco

Ok, i now understand better.

I also want to know, which language do maghrebis of different nationalities prefer to speak when they come across each other? French or Arabic?

How do Maghrebis view Libyans and Egyptians? What is the relationship like?

How do you guys also view sub saharan Africans? Do you think North africans and sub saharan Africans can ever have a united sense of oneness or Africaness?

MtuMsuper:
promotion of ethnic sub units will not stop tribalism in africa. Its the practice of making your ethnicity count as a factor of production or giving you undue advantage that counts. In other words , meritocracy. Malaysia removed barriers to joining trades or professions to ethnic malays by deliberate programs to uplift them and be at par with the chinese and ethnic indian Malaysians. Once you remove disadvantage or perceived disadvantage and make everybody equally valued and have equal chances, access and opportunities, tribalism will be dealt a huge blow. See how european tribes entrench this philosophy. As for Tanzania, they just decided to swahilinize the country after independence by suppressing ethnic expression and languages, and then calling it national unity.Many will disagree with me on this last point.

It's true.
A very high level of education, wealth and equality will deal a big blow to tribalism in African countries.

I see the swahilinization of TZ as a good thing. The Europeans, Chinese and others did it to unite their own countries too. You sound as if it is a bad thing.

uzzyfire:
no offense to ghanains oo but they tend to imitate everything Nigeria does even d bad things . I really don't know y they do that

LoL, chill bro. You do not want to take us back to the unfriendly and harsh tone here. Join the train of diplomacy and friendliness here. Let's learn from each other.
Comments like these bring back the insults among us.

vaxx:
yes. most of the yoruba who have choosen ghana as their second home are muslim. although this is changing now due to inter marriage between yoruba and the local ghanians who are mainly christain

Ok. Yes yorubas practice a very liberal form of islam, so they easily convert or leave the religion. The same thing in Nigeria and this is why unfortunately, many Hausas see yoruba muslims as fake or inferior muslims.

vaxx:
well it is of two side. the present president of ivory coast now is half burkina half ivorian.almost all the tribe are now getting married to each other.i think the ivorian society is really influence by french. and the old french protectorate in general apart from senegal are not doing well more than their english neigbour. although law and order is dully follow more than the english country. the fula from mali are not gerally uneducated. some are well respect people in the society.illiteracy is very common among the french country. use benin and togo ,mali for example.

Yes, true. I think Senegalese and Ivorians seem to be better in terms of education and civilization because they were closer to Dakar which was the capital of colonial French West Africa, unlike the Malians, Burkinabes, Togolese, Beninoise and the worst of all Nigèriens who were farther away from Dakar.
The united colonial french west Africa was a very terrible colonial system.

But why is Ivory coast so progressive compared to other Francophone west Africans? more than even the Senegalse who are more educated and westernized?
Just look at Abidjan and how beautiful, developed and civilized it looks.
I think Senegal is supposed to be leading Francophone west Africa and not Ivory coast

MtuMsuper:
Some politicians in Africa like to use ethnicity as a rallying point and to ascend to power, because they want to loot because that is their only agenda.

This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much.
This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system.
Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ.

@chkil0

Why do maghrebis don't act united or see themselves as one people as such?
I have heard many Tunisians and moroccans claiming to dislike Algerians and vice versa. Why the differences?

Tunisians also appear to be more westernized than Algerians and Moroccans, why is this so? Apparently, almost half of Tunisian young women no longer cover their hair and i even heard that hijab was banned at a time in public places in Tunisia.

vaxx:
one of the way hausa penetrate ghana is through business. they deal in cola nut and groundnut.

another reason can be link to the influence of tijaniya movement. most of the muslim in ghana are tijaniya which is a very big branch of islam in kano state.

there is a particular tribe in ghana called dagoma in northern region ,they claim they ate from nigeria north. gombe and adamawa precisely.

hausa has a very large speaker in west africa and its influence is still growing.i also think education and exposure is the reason yoruba languge is not as influencial as hausa. yoruba are the largest nigeria ethnic group in ghana ,benin ,togo ,ivory coast , saro . yet it does not enjoy the same priviledge with hausa. yoruba people prefer using their host community language which is not the same with hausa.

it may suprise you. yoruba and hausa in ghana are like brother and sister.

Hausas have a very powerful way of influencing others with their language (especially smaller tribes).
This was exactly the way they infiltrated central and North-east Nigeria, non hausa parts of Niger and northern Cameroon. (although fulani jihad was another avenue).

I guess, most of the yorubas close to Hausas in Ghana must be muslim yorubas? Cos i don't really see christian yorubas being close to Hausas.

mtis:
Coz just like Nigerians Kenyans in a way are tribal an have stereotypes about other tribes ..so no my tribe is Kenya

Oh, i don't think stereotyping is enough for you to be shy about your identity.

Seriously, i wonder why a country like Kenya with a unifying language would still be facing issues of tribalism.
If Nigeria had a unifying language, i think we would have been far more united today. (i may be wrong though)

chkil0:
for tunisia and morocco ,It was a protectorate, not the same case as algeria , the Tunisians and Moroccans easily accepted the protectorate, and havent resisted, in view of the atrocities that they heard in Algeria ( french fought algerian resistances and guerilla from 1830 until 1902 to have the control of algerian land) . so fewer crimes were committed in tunisia morroco

for algeria, there was not a lot interracial mix Except for rape ! indigene and colon had an appartheid system ! algerian moroccan tunisian are whites before french came , before turkish , spanish, portugues , arabs , vandals , romans , byzentins , phenicians came also . but we share race caracteristic with mediteraneens

Ok, it's very true i think.
Algerian land was very vast and rich and probably what enticed the French to want to make it an extension of france and not just a protectorate.
Algerians too, seemed to be more stubborn than other maghrebis.

Truly, Algerians have been mixing with Europeans even long before the French came.

Talking about rape, was it that serious? Was it during the invasion wars or during the ruling period?