₦airaland Forum

sHOTdownHawk:
Comparing big enternaiment and big banks and big blogs. These have nothing to do with quality but quantity á la china. The bigger the population the bigger the market. I guess common sense is not a nigerian virtue. VERY SAD. YOU WIN NIGERIA.

Claiming to have bigger churches than the rest of africa as prove of dominance is just stupid. Preaches, who steal millions from their blind sheeps, to buy private jets and villas and rape your artist and defile children, turns nigeria to a zoo.

If u say Nigerian entertainment lacks quality, does it mean that all other Africans including u Kenyans have no taste of quality at all? because our entertainment is also patronised by your people and even a source of inspiration to your artistes.

How come our artistes have gone international? How come we bag majority of the entertainment in Africa and beyond Africa? How come even American artistes are now featuring our artistes? Chai, bad belle go soon kpai some pipu sha.

Nigerian churches have the largest worldwide influence, only rivalled by USA. So i guess all the non Nigerian members of Nigerian churches including the European and American members are blind sheep?. The churches have also contributed to the welfare of people in the country.

No matter the quantity of Chinese or Indian productions or how large their market is. it still does not rival the powerfulness and fame of American productions. So what exactly are you saying? Since SA is more advanced than Nigeria as we all think, why is their entertainment industry not ahead of Nigeria just the way Hollywood remains far ahead of Bollywood and Chinese entertainment industry? Why?

OMANBALA1:
Guy,stop embarassing yourself. Learn how to argue,debate and respect yourself ,so that nobody will mock you. What has happened on this thread is epic decimation of Nigeria from Kenyans and South Africans.
You mock South Africans of aids yet your men are dying and longing to set foot there. And you cant get enough of their women with their succulent booties...Just the other day Davido was pictured handling an SA chic with a big butt. I bet he didnt remember hiv. I swear,Nigerians are slow. Yes,they have high rate of hiv but they also have one of the best healthcare system in the world! While your half dead president spent 50 days in England receiving treatment...hehehe,GIANT OF AFRICA!
And stop trying to pitch the white SA against the Blacks because it wont work....They still love each other and they have joined forces to murder your people and chase them out,while you guys are in Nigeria formenting ethnic bigotry while the country rots. Next election you abokis will still queue up and vote a Buhari again.

I don't debate with demented Ipob members pls. Check elsewhere. Never quote me again.
Don't cry more than the bereaved. Let them reply for themselves.

Without Southern Nigeria. Hausa-fulani land would have been just like their brothers Niger republic.
Thank God that middlebelt states are making some progress and have left the core-north to keep on wallowing behind in their illiteracy and poverty.

Maduawuchukwu:
Since the day I was given birth to, I have not thought of Kenya up to six times before and God is my witness. If they are wiped off the map today I do not care. This guys should notice the way we don't notice them by not coming to their blogs and reciprocate the "I don't care habit" too.

Exactly. Kenyans like to stretch their voices to bark beyond their vocals can carry just to make themselves more noticed. Well, i will tell them to keep on barking louder, maybe in time to come they will be noticed.

Kenyans think people are noticed through barking and this is where they get it wrong.
The Nigerian entertainment industry is the most powerful in Africa and hardly any country in Africa where Nigerian music or movies do not penetrate majority of the homes there to the extent that these people are now copying our styles.

Nigerian banks for instance are the biggest players on the continent.

Nigeria is the face of fashion in Africa. We have the best indigenously promoted fashion designs in the continent and many others are now copying us.
http://www.nan.ng/entertainment/nigeria-dominates-africa-fashion-industry/

Even in religion, Nigerian churches dominate Africa and we can even challenge USA in this aspect despite the fact that USA has the largest christian population in the world.

I cannot mention one way in which Kenya affects the life of the average west African or one aspect which they dominate Africa.
We do not use their products or services. We do not know what their entertainment industry looks like. Absolutely nothing!
Take this platform (social network) for example, this is the largest of it's kind in Africa and it's Nigerian.
So, these guys shouldn't really blame us for not noticing their existence. TayserMahiri

TayserMahiri:
How many South Africans are living illegally in your "Big Playing" nation? On the other hand Nigerians have sworn to rather die in SA than go back to that shiithole. If anything, South Africans should teach you how to be civilized.

Just as my bro told u, there are illegal chinese immigrants all over the world including your Kenya and all over Africa. Does this mean Kenya or any other African country is better than China?
Some people are just very adventurous, daring and capitalistic and will always move legally and illegally especially those at the developing level.

Maduawuchukwu:
Whenever I see black South-Africans bragging about South-Africa and hw beautiful it is I just laugh. South-Africa was built by the White man and not the black-south Africans. If the blacks were in charge from the start South-Africa would have been one of Africa's worse Stories of underdevelopment. South-Africa is practically still at the developmental stage at which the Whites left in 1994.
As proof of my thesis, we can see how black South-Africans are still lazying about after how many years of being in control. They are looking for who to blame their problems on everyday. Jacob Zuma has given their economy Junk-Status meanwhile the whites who built the country are still chilling in Cape-town.

Ma guy i dey tell u.
It's only online we see black south africans talking poo about a united country as if it looks all rosy among themselves. These black 2nd class citizens think they can fool us. Blacks, whites and coloureds do not live in the same neighbourhoods in SA and seldom do things together. The rate of interracial marriage in the country is very low, so damn all those bullshits these zulu people are telling u here. The whites still look down on the blacks as Bleep.

You see, one reason i do not like to compare Nigeria and SA is because, SA is the product of the white man unlike Nigeria which is entirely the product and pride of the black man.
Do u know that even with all the govt policies the presidents have been enacting to favour SA blacks economically, yet the whites who are about 10% of the country still control over 80% of the country's wealth? This tells you that the GDP per capital and GDP of Black South Africa is no different from Zimbabwe, Malawi or Mozambique! What a shame! These lazy zulus are just doing 'dege dege dem go dey pose' with the infrastructure the whites set up in the country and nothing more, claiming Europe of Africa. That is why if you go to SA major cities like Capetown, Joburg, Pretoria e.t.c, you actually wonder if you are really in Africa or Subsaharan Africa or if truly SA is majority black, because you see mostly or majority white folks. If you are looking for the so called black majority, check the slums and interior villages and voila, there they are. So we all wonder what is the difference btw Black South Africans, Malawians, Congolese and Burundians?!

TayserMahiri:
Our counties generate their own revenue too. The county governments impose rates and taxes through the Finance Act. They collect revenue from any services they provide. For example parks. See an example here where Narok County ceased their contract with a local bank to start collecting fees from the Maasai Mara themselves.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Narok-ends-Equity-Bank-contract-to-collect-Maasai-Mara-fees--/539550-1894666-g7xat8z/index.html

Any resources within a county are under the county government. Unless explicitly exempted by an Act.
I am assuming you think that our County governments don't generate their own revenue because Oil is the only source of revenue in the world. Nigerians!

Ok, good to know.
Do your counties each have a capital city? If yes, can u pls help me with a list of all the Kenyan counties, their capital cities, populations of both the counties and their respective administrative capital cities and if possible IGR and GDPs?

Also, are your counties free to engage in full international trade, independent of the National govt like handling exports through state owned sea ports?

MPSA:
Man! I know you want to prove your point, But PLEASE!! Don't compare your country with south africa, Nigeria is only has a high population and oil, I love the beautiful calabar in nigeria , but PLEASE don't compare your country with SA. Kenya is one of the beautiful country in africa, Masai mara is attracting more tourist across the world. SA is far better than nigeria, we aren't at the same level

Yes, of course, our country is not as Hiv stricken where about half of the population are dying from the disease.
Our country is not also a xenophobic one who see foreigners as a threat or competition against us and act like mad people on the streets.
Our country is not also one whereby 80% of the wealth is still controlled by our former slave masters who are just about 10% of the population of the country.

Maduawuchukwu:
Who is comparing Kenya's counties to Nigeria's states? Who told you that our states do not have their own sources of revenue in addition to Federal allocation?
See Kenyans killing themselves over Nigerians who do not even know you guys exist.

This is one fact many Kenyans are ignorant of.
The only African countries Nigerians think of are countries like South Africa who are big players like us on the African continent or in SubSaharan Africa with so much regional influence.

Perhaps if East Africa was one country, they would have had some greater regional influence and power.
The only thing most Nigerians know countries like Kenya and Tanzania for is the safaris, serengettis and the wildlife we see on National geographic .

TayserMahiri:
You might need to know that the Kenyan budget is for the National Government as well.
Each of the 47 Counties (equivalent to your states) have their own budgets as well.

The counties are responsible for their own education, health, transport, trade development and regulation, agriculture, pollution control, culture including things such as liquor licensing, museums, sports and parks, planning and development, policies, legislation, water and sanitation, public works, disaster management, drug control and local tourism.

It is called a devolved system of government and serves well to ensure each region takes care of its own social well-being, and destiny.
As you may have noticed, security is not among the responsibilities of the county. That would be a recipe for chaos. I don't know whether its the cause of the chaos in Northern Nigeria? Because it is incomprehensible how a group grew so strong as Boko Haram to have even tanks!! All this in a country that calls itself the giant. lol. Was everyone asleep? Maybe you guys should stop devolving (if its the case) security, because that is just terrible. Even with our Al Shabaab menace in Somalia, they cannot dare set up camp in kenya, leave alone use armored vehicles here. Only thing they succeed at is hit and runs. Boko Haram on the other hand scares the sh!t out of nigerian army infantry, that they even refuse to battle them. I don't know what the definition of a failed country is, but that sounds pretty close.

Talking about how powerful boko haram became in Nigeria. You see, there are certain factors that will make islamic terrorism easily thrive in Nigeria for instance than let's say a country like Kenya.
Firstly, Nigerians are very religious people especially the muslims from the core-northern parts of the country. Infact, some of our core-northern muslims are comparable or even more fanatic than Somali, Iraqi, Pakistani e.t.c muslims. And during the early 2000s many core-northern states of Nigeria adopted Sharia law as their official law. This core-northern region is quite populated and to worsen matters due to our Ecowas pact, different groups of people from other west african nations and even north africa are free to roam within this region, causing this region to be like a dumping ground for all manners of seeds of islamic fundamentalism.

The issue is that, these terrorists did not just start as a terrorist group. They started out as a normal islamic group which initially had the support of the masses due to their religious nature and when these groups had already become large, they were probably hijacked and ended up with the likes of Boko haram.

Another issue was the fact that these terrorists easily fled, regrouped and armed themselves in Neighbouring countries which initially were doing very little about the issue until it escalated. Our forces did not have the rights to go into these neighbouring countries to combat these terrorists.

Another fact is that Nigeria is a very strategic country, very important in many aspects both in the islamic world, regional and financial aspect, hence the actions of the islamic terrorism powers that be to get a hold of the country or plant their base there.
You do not expect a country like Nigeria with the largest muslim population in Africa to have equal issues with others considering the worldwide problem of muslims from developing countries.

An issue like Boko haram can never repeat itself in Nigeria again to the magnitude to which it was in the past. Nigeria never thought that we would ever be victims of islamic terrorism. We always saw it as an issue for the middle-east and East Africa (Somalia). So it started as a joke and we took it as a joke until it escalated. Now, we have know better and such issues will always be nipped at the bud level.

TayserMahiri:
You might need to know that the Kenyan budget is for the National Government as well.
Each of the 47 Counties (equivalent to your states) have their own budgets as well.

The counties are responsible for their own education, health, transport, trade development and regulation, agriculture, pollution control, culture including things such as liquor licensing, museums, sports and parks, planning and development, policies, legislation, water and sanitation, public works, disaster management, drug control and local tourism.

It is called a devolved system of government and serves well to ensure each region takes care of its own social well-being, and destiny.
As you may have noticed, security is not among the responsibilities of the county. That would be a recipe for chaos. I don't know whether its the cause of the chaos in Northern Nigeria? Because it is incomprehensible how a group grew so strong as Boko Haram to have even tanks!! All this in a country that calls itself the giant. lol. Was everyone asleep? Maybe you guys should stop devolving (if its the case) security, because that is just terrible. Even with our Al Shabaab menace in Somalia, they cannot dare set up camp in kenya, leave alone use armored vehicles here. Only thing they succeed at is hit and runs. Boko Haram on the other hand scares the sh!t out of nigerian army infantry, that they even refuse to battle them. I don't know what the definition of a failed country is, but that sounds pretty close.

You have laid some very good facts. Yes, in Nigeria, security is controlled by the Federal govt and the state govts have absolutely no power when it comes to security.
Truly, for a large nation like Nigeria, our individual states are supposed to have some say in security affairs, but our lawmakers rejected the idea of state control of security. The issue has been brought up a lot of times. I know that state security would have a lot of merits, but in a country like Nigeria, the demerits may actually be more than the merits hence the fact many rejected the idea.
Aside security, our state govts are responsible for all the other factors and more which u have listed.

In Kenya, do your counties generate their own revenue or they solely depend on the national govt allocation for their functioning and administration?

kikuyu1:
You guys repeatedly pull this line out of your collective arse! Show us the proof of your states budgets and the miraculously unique Naij accounting system that doesn't show this is a line item on the national federal budget-isn't that where the states naira comes from?
Srsly;this addiction to bs is why you're in this fix! Instead of dealing with facts uncomfortable as they may be you flee taking refuge in make believe like kids hiding under the blanket.

Our states have their own internally generated revenues independent of the federal govt which is added with the normal federal allocation to the state to produce the state budget.
Arguing with u guys is not going to change that reality.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/11/23/kano-state-government-proposes-n209-8bn-for-2017-budget/

Akissani:
rubbish....is ur state beta than kano or kaduna state?....or is ur state more educated than kano or kaduna?.....I am very sure that u are a pained christian from plateau state

I cannot compare Plateau with Kaduna state because half of Kaduna state people (Southern Kadunas) are the same people with Plateau people (similar languages and cultures).
Talking about Kano, which is purely core-north, yes, Kano is more developed and larger than Jos. But the question is 'what is the percentage of the educated and well to do Core-northernerns in Kano compared to the poverty stricken and illiterate mallams, almajiris, beggars e.t.c?
The beggars, almajiris and poor ones outnumber the rich and average ones like 80/20 and this is why the official poverty rate of Kano state is still higher than Plateau state. This is also the reason why Plateau state has a higher literacy rate than Kano state.

The population of Jamb registered candidates of last year was posted here on nairaland some time ago and i observed that both Kano and Plateau states had about 50,000 indigenes who registered for Jamb. What an anomaly. Kano state has far more indigenes than Plateau, even probably more than twice of Plateau indigenes, yet such statistics. While states like Benue and Kogi have about 70,000-80,000, far ahead of mighty Kano.
I don't want to go into these statistics, but if u wish to prove yourself intellectually, am up for the challenge.
Besides, is Kano and Zaria all u core-northernerns have? These places are just two among others like Zamfara, Jigawa, Kebbi, Sokoto, Yobe, Bauchi e.t.c and these states overtime have always produced the highest poverty rates in any survey ever carried out.

Akissani:
Op...which of the middle belt state are u from?

Plateau. Why did u ask?

farouk0403:
May be you misunderstood me, but when i say culture i didn't referred it to only way of dressing or language,

culture can change the way of reasoning of different individuals to be uniform/ thesame.

For you southerners you think that the north are all Hausa speaking tribe, but you got it wrong.

there are many minorities tribes that doesn't want to associate themselves with hausa's,

but due to the adventurous nature of hausa they find a way to penetrate into those language, and the simplicity of hausa language, makes everyone to adopt it quickly.


I am from a tribe of southern Borno a But mind you 75% of my tribes men are elites and a considerable percent of my tribes men are well known in the country.

Thesame goes to other tribes like kilba's, marghi, higgi, tangale, chibok, and others.


Although we are also been segregated by those so called majority tribes like hausa, fulani, and kanuri, because of our pseudo religious nature.

Lastly not every Northerner want to associat his/her self with hausa, kanuri, just like me.

God created with different tribes for a purpose, we have to be proud of it.

FYI, i am not a southerner. I am from the middlebelt and know the core-north well, even your southern borno which has been badly raved by Boko haram.
Southern Borno are somehow part of the northern minorities and are religiously mixed just like the middlebelters with many christian populations.
I guess u may be Bura (the largest tribe of that region)?

I know that your people are quite more literate and exposed compared to the average Kanuri or Hausa but because the other tribes are majority in your states then it makes you all look the same from an overall point of view.

Cjrane2:
kenyans truly enjoying this gun duel with Naija

Not just Nigeria, but everyone else. Kenyans generally have low self esteems and they feel better trying to prove what they are not, they compare themselves with many other people. That is how they are.

sHOTdownHawk:
Stop comparing the potential of 200 million againt 45 million ppl. Same reason you got a gdp of 500 billion to a budget of 20 billion same as kenya with its 60 billion dollar gdp.
Greatest potential my ass

How many times are you guys going to be corrected that that 20 billion is our federal govt budget and that the 36 individual states of Nigeria also have the various state budgets for the running and development of these individual states?

NASTYNASOSO:
HMMMNN
PLEASE WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO WRITE THIS POO?
HAVE YOU EVER TRAVELLED TO THE NORTH AND THE MIDDLE BELT TO MAKE THIS GRAVE BLADERISH.
YOU EVEN HABE THE AUDACITY TO EVEN MENTION KANO STATE AS IF YOU HAVE BEE BITTEN BY A RAVAGED RABIS INFECTED DOG.
ALL THE MIDDLE BELTANS ARE CRYING DUE TO DOMINANCE OF THE CORE NORTH IN ALL AFFAIRS EDUCATION I
GUY YOUR OLODO ACUMEN kHAS JUST GOT UPGRADED

Oga i am from the middlebelt and have been to many states of the core-north/middlebelt including the Kano you are boasting of.
I know that there is great wealth in core-northern cities like Kano, but the issue is, what the percentage of rich, educated and exposed core-northnerns to the poor, illiterate and unexposed ones?
We all know that the difference is very high.

Your people still have the highest poverty and illiteracy rates in Nigeria. You are free to search for the yearly estimates of literacy and poverty rates in Nigeria and see that middlebelt states are far better than core-northern states.

Core-north only dominates the Middlebelt politically and that is where it ends, this is because the Hausa-fulani elites are good at politics and take it to be a do or die affair.
The majority of Core-northnerns are still living in abject poverty and stark illiteracy compared to majority of middlebelt people and it baffles me that till date you will find many core-northern adults who never stepped their feet in even a Primary school.

realnas:
A number of factors contribute to this mainly polygamy, you see the average core northerner has at least 3 wives with alot of children, he the head of the family is not in a position where he can provide for those three wives and their numerous children, a situation where the baba is struggling to provide tuwo da miyan kuka other soundry things like education will take a back seat .
Most middle belters came in contact with xtian missionaries who were able to send some of them to church funded schools and some where able to further their education in the UK and the US ,this exposure contributed in the way the average middle belter views family, education marriage etc I'm not saying core northerners are bad but the issue of polygamy in my view has had far much more negative influence on northern society than anything else

You have a strong point here. Although polygamy exists in the middlebelt too but i think the percentage is far higher in the core-north and is still on high levels.

Young03:
Na southeners remain for d house


well, i dont care if anyone wins

because i wont vote even am giving free recharge cards

Debbie rise is from Kogi state.

farouk0403:
You are asking an indirect question, while you already knew the answer.



Culture and religion differs

I don't know any answer. If u say culture, u may have to expansiate in what way because the various tribes of the middlebelt do not have the same cultures and outlook of life. And even among the core-northernerns, the Hausas, Pure fulanis, Kanuris, Shuwa arabs e.t.c have different cultures too.

Besides, the middlebelt is a religiously mixed region, so it's not clear

Acetyl:
which of the two tribes is now good to go with. I think going with Igbo is better as they share so many things in common with less population for dominance on the said available oil.

The only tin they share in common with Igbos as a region is Christianity.
They better go or be on their own if they so wish.

farouk0403:
Op what are you scared of? just hit the nail on the head.

Hit what nail on the head? What else do you want me to say?

nigeriancritic1:
Islam!

But there are many muslims in the middlebelt too!
Muslims are the majority or about half in Niger, Kwara, Kogi and Nasarawa states, but people from these states are still faring far better than their counterparts in the core-north. Yorubas have so many muslims too. I dont think it's really about religion.

Acetyl:
No wonder the Northerns don't want south south go with biafra...

The south-southernerns themselves reject Biafra because they know that Igbos are no different from Yorubas or Hausas and will equally dominate them in the proposed Biafra.
See the names of many Igbos on the list!

To those saying this list is fake, i think it is real.
Many southernerns, especially, Yorubas and Igbos are owners or co-owners of oil blocks.
The South-south people are the ones cheated here.
So, Igbos and Yorubas really have no rights to accuse Core-northernerns of owning most oil blocks.

Both the Middlebelt and Core-northern states were all part of the same Northern region during the colonial period and even after independence. Western education, administration, social amenities e.t.c came to both regions the same time and infact, Core-northernerns even had an advantage because they already had towns/cities before the British came and they ruled the Northern region and were in Positions of Power.

But why is it that today, the average person from Jos-Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Kogi, Benue, Kwara, Niger is most likely to be more educated, more exposed and not as poor as the average person from Yobe, Kebbi, Sokoto, Zamfara, Jigawa or Kano?

When you check the poverty or illiteracy rates of Nigerian states you find a very clear difference between middlebelt and far northern states. Many middlebelt states are even beginning to catch up with some southern states despite the fact that education came fifty years later to the Northern region.

The difference between both groups of people is becoming more obvious by the day and this has become the more reason why most Middlebelters or Northern minorities feel increasingly ashamed to identify with the Northern identity unlike in the past when all identified as One Arewa or OneNorth.

What is really the major problem/cause?

Tboss for the money!
Rascals and street thugs cannot rep Naija! Efe wont win nothing!

Entom:
Bisola is unique, but she is already an established actress in Nollywood and the entertainment world. Marvis is great, but as a Princess in Onne Kingdom and also a Protocol Officer at Intels Onne, I feel 25 Million and SUV no be her problem. Debbie Rise is a great Guitarist, she has hope of been signed up by Mavin records. Our half-caste, T-Boss is not bad at all, but a lady that flies private jets doesn't need the 25 Million because she is already connected.
EFE is real, EFE is humble, EFE is truthful about his life and upbringing. EFE needs this 25 million to package his life and that of his family. Based on logistics, pls vote EFE... sms VOTE EFE to 32052. Also vote via Wechat by downloading the Wechat app on IOS, Android and Blackberry phones.
#ISTANDWITHEFE
#EFENATION........✌✌✌

Madam, BBN is not a poverty alleviation program.
Tboss has our support!

sosa993:
the same thing I told someone, tboss wouldn't have been this popular if not for so much hatred shown towards the girl. last week I had to download wechat and vote for her. And I'll never stop voting. in fact I'll make sure all my friends download wechat and we'll vote.


pls is it true they are now in the finals?, i need a reply because I need to Start publicising tboss for my people asap.

That's the spirit! Let's continue voting her.
Tboss must win.

oruma19:
Tboss family has money, she doesn't need the cash abeg. Nigerian big men go Bleep her yansh scata and give her all the billions she needs. Pls lets vote for Efe that needs the cash . The boy is a small up and coming artist. And from the way he is, he will give some part of the cash to marvis' and Bisola. Pls let us vote for Efe.

Oga, Big brother is not a poverty alleviation scheme!

Team Tboss! Bossnation!

Cant these Biafrans just stick with the SE alone?

The earlier these SE realise than no inch of SS is going with them, the better!