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princfred:
You have to meet the voodoo man in person and inform him of your quest to be used as lab rat to cure your mumu ignorance. That way the liability of your foolishness lies squarely on you empty head.

Make una negodu this jester. I have to meet the voodoo man in person. Yet it is u guys that believe that something can be buried in a man's house by his neighbour and the man will go mad. Please did the victim have to visit the voodoo man too for it to work? All this moronic clowns on Nairaland. I have been offering u opportunity all weekend to prove you have knowledge of juju and that it works. I even offered to give u my personal effects but u are trying to avoid it. Fool. I dare u. Prove it or you are the son of a thousand fathers.

Originakalokalo:
Some atheists would like to test the existence of a spirit IN A LAB.

You would like to see the photographs of an angel or a spirit. Else, they don't exist.

Show me conscience. Else, it doesn't exist.

Everybody that read your discussion with that guy and my last comment to u will know from this your comment that u are just a joke. You have reduced yourself in one page to a village clown. Keep jesting.

Princfred this guy has been repeating the same refuted nonsense because he cant bring proof for his belief. Lets hope u are a better man than him. Now please take the bet. I am waiting.

Originakalokalo:
If I don't see conscience, it simply does not exist.

I need to see it.

Peace.

You are trying to be clever by half. Seeing is not the only way something can be observed. So stop clowning around.

princfred:
Come to Ututu Ohafia in Abia state by next two weeks when I will be available. I will cover your expenses if it doesn't work.

Which Otutu ohafia? Nonsense. Lets meet somewhere neutral. I know how u guys start acting when things dont work the way u planned. U guys can even kill. And unfortunately the East does not have a reputation for safety. So no one is coming to any unknown village. Best I will do is meet u at Asaba. Coming from Lagos to Asaba, I have tried.

Lets do it this way we put the money in the hands of someone neutral who can verify that your act worked. Then we meet somewhere neutral and I give the underwear I am wearing, my saliva and my pubic hair. I will be generous enough to give u enough time to get back to your shithole village and then work your magic. Then within 48 hours me, you and the person that should verify will go to a brothel where I will have the sex of my life. If my instrument doesnt work then u get the money. But if my instrument even becomes tumescent, know u have failed.

Let's bet 200,000 naira on this. U can make it higher if u are very confident. And we must place the bet before I leave Lagos. So if anyone absconds or doesnt show up or starts claiming some family emergency, the person loses the bet.

Please anybody that has a better idea how we can make this work can give us ideas.

princfred:
You just exposed your own little mind there.

You obviously arent very bright. I have told u time and again that I am opened to believing u if u bring proof. You cant just claim u are the richest man in the world and expect your name on Forbe's list. It is possible you are but for us to believe you you have to bring proof of it. Anyway I would like to see u make me impotent. I am waiting for u to take on the offer.

princfred:
You want proof, provide your pubic hairs, Saliva, picture and boxers lets use you as the lab rat na to make the proof by making you impotent for life. Abi who should pay the price of curing your ignorance? The supernatural only interferes with the natural at a huge cost not for fun just to be at the whims of its ignorant subject.

Bring your specimen let the experiment to proof begin or stop spewing ignorance. Simple, no need for empty talks. Person go dey argue wetin pass em small mind.

Where do we meet?
Money must be involved. I would not let u waste my time for no reason. So where do we meet? And u will have to give me the date and time the impotence will set in. It must be immediate or just within 2 hours of when u do the procedure.

nwabekeyi:
you are shallow, the lab could be anywhere, not just a room.
Conscience can be proven in lab.
For a naturalist like Darwin, nature is his lab.
An engineer, the field is his lab.

This is why I don't engage your guys, you level of reasoning is usually myopic and shallow

I swear. Those guys are parochial. They are unable to think outside their preconceived notions of how things should be. Will explain why they are dogmatically religious though.

princfred:
[s]It's has to be nonsense to a limited mind even a fool says in his heart that there is no God. The science that recognizes metaphysis must be dumb abi you only select the part of science that enables your self imposed mental boundaries.[/s]

Just because there are fake voodoo does not mean their are no real voodoos. Is your mind developd enough to appreciate that?

[s]Btw munch over this:
Science will not give you Peace in THIS world or on your death bed. Science was teaching me in elementary school in the early fifties that an Ice Age was coming. It never came. Now it's teaching global warming. So who's teaching fairy tales? Science can certainly play a role in life and I point to medical research and mankind being able to go to the moon and back. BUT advances in Science amounts to THE CREATOR AND GOD OF THE UNIVERSE "pulling back the curtain" to allow a glimpse into HIS VAST WISDOM, so as to make our short sojourn on Earth a little better. Mathematics is the language with which God wrote nature and science is his signature.

Why would you worship scientific advances when the Creator of all things, including Science, desires to give us all things that are most important in this world? What He wants to give us is His Eternal, unconditional love, acceptance, peace on Earth, and the promise of spending eternity with him. Things science cannot promise nor offer. Those are not only things I wish for. It's a confident assurance of things to come. I look forward to His soon appearing! MARANATHA!. Science can only do so much to help me live out what life and can go anywhere as it's limited.

But I understand that when you're twenty-something, you think you're immortal.
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Nonsense upon nonsense. Quit wasting my time. All the nonsense u have been spouting all weekend and continuing today makes no sense if u can't prove it exists.
So since u don't have any self imposed mental boundaries, prove it exists. Or just cover your face. Is that too much to ask?
So the reason why u follow religion blindly is because of peace on your deathbed. This discussion cannot get more ridiculous. Feeble mind.

princfred:
Am not interested in convincing you to believe things you are bent on not believing. Why should convince a Child that no ghost will come for him if he is already bent on one coming. If playing around my semantics choice to use as counter points against me is what are into, enjoy yourself. Children believe in many things which you can't talk them out of and you as a child believed in many things which only time and exposure made you know are not as you thought. However you want to spin in for your self imposed scientific limitations is your prerogative. Science was, is and will always have limitations to what is within its grasp and if your mind is trapped, confined and limited to only the boundaries of science then you are operating under a limited spectrum.


Even science appreciates that there are spectrums of life beyond its empirical realm hence metaphysics.

Nonsense. Like I said; shift.

servercodes001:
The irony is every proof is invalid to you

Which proof have u provided yet? Just provide one. Lol.

luvmijeje:
You are the evidence. You were able to see what will happen tomorrow via your dream. I learnt that from religion. Did you learn yours from science?

Lol how is that religious. This is the most disappointing thing I have read from u all day. Come on!! You are smarter than this.

I drink water and eat too. I can also roll my tongue and wiggle my ears. I guess that is evidence of your religion.

I give up.

Abeg Frank317 and Budaatum make una continue with her. Me don sign out.

luvmijeje:
Once again bullshit. The inability to predict the future is logic. Haven't you heard that no one can predict tomorrow. Just because it's not scientific doesn't mean it's not logic. The sun will set tomorrow is logic. It's not science.

And I'm not admitting to rubbish. As long as science doesn't have evidence, it stand on the same footing as religion.

You waiting for science explanation seems crazy to me. The same way me resorting to religion is crazy to you.

Unfortunately for u, people have made a career out of predicting tomorrow. So u don't know what u are talking about. The 2008 financial crisis is an example. So please tell me how u are able to defy logic.

Nope. Science doesn't stand on the same footing as religion. It never has. It never will. It is far superior to religion. It stands scrutiny. It admits when it doesnt know the answer to something. And it is willing to discard old notions based on new knowledge. So spare me.

Yes I am waiting for a scientific explanation because religious ones have failed time and again. If u dispute this then bring your proof. There is a thread open promising a pecuniary reward if u are able to prove the verifiability of your claims. Please take the challenge.

luvmijeje:
Finally we are getting to a middle ground. I have dreamt a lot and you have dreamt few. The most important thing is that we are able to defy logic to do it.

Because science have not find explanation for it, I'm sticking to the religion reason for it. Does that make me crazy? Does that make me mental? The same also goes for other things that science can't logically explain.

People are finding the reasons in religion.

Nope. U were not able to defy logic to do it. No logic states that u shouldn't be able to dream and they happen. None that I know of. So if u are aware of such logic, show me.

Yeah. You can stick to religious reason for anything because science has not found an explanation for it yet. But that doesn't mean that the religious reason is right. That's what u have just admitted. "I am believing in religious bullshit because science doesn't have alternative answers". Good for u. But don't come here and argue that ur religious answers are fact. Especially when u cannot prove it.

Thanks for admitting that your religion is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance as Neil deGrasse Tyson put it. I couldn't have put it as nice as u did.

luvmijeje:
Bullshit. Do you know since then I've dreamt a lot of dreams that had come to pass in the real world. But because you are arrogant and ITK(I too know) you will wave it away.

No u haven't dreamt a lot of dreams that came to pass in the real world. U have dreamt a few dreams that came to pass in real world. And so have I. So have a lot of other people who keep a mental record of their dreams. So there is nothing special in what u experienced.
If there is any correlation between dreams and real world events, the only way we will actually find that correlation is through science and not some Tinkerbell dust your religion sprinkles around.

luvmijeje:
Fortunately I've once attended mfm and I will tell you one thing that I got from it. I learnt not dreaming is not normal. I've always thought it's normal not to dream. NPComplete you are talking to someone who has seen the good and bad side of religion. I'm telling you some of this are real.

If you are going against something, you need to understand the strength and weakness of it. You Atheists are underestimating what makes religion thick. And how our environment is a perfect recipes for it.

U see what I said. Religion is not good for your health. Everybody dreams. But most times we do not remember what we dreamt about or whether we dreamt. Even the one we do remember is usually a minuscule percentage of what we actually dreamt about. That is the normal way dreams work. So once again those MFM guys have monkeyed up normal science.

Not an atheist by the way. But nobody is underestimating what makes religions tick. Not any atheist or irreligious person I know of does that. We know all exactly what makes religions tick. It is a result of the toxic combination of massive ignorance, superstitions, illiteracy, desperation, dogmatism and resistance to scrutiny.

budaatum:
It's hard to when you obviously don't know much about what you speak of, luvmi, though I'm trying, trust me.

I read through some of your posts going back some, and notice you're not as religious as you used to be. Seems you've only recently had your mind opened a tiny bit and we would have to wait for it to open some more. I advise you to go learn about the scientific method. It will help.

You noticed too. There is hope for her yet. She is a lady. And as sexist as I regret that this is going to sound, ladies are known for their willingness to believe in fantastic tales and that's why they are the most religious of the sexes. So it will be a little harder for her. But she just might pull it off eventually.

luvmijeje:
Yeah right. You failed to realise that word of mouth is the biggest tool of publicity why religion is growing big.

Word of mouth doesn't mean things work. Can u explain to me why MFM members keep killing demons every year and they seem not to be any different? Yet they still invite u to their church.
The only reason they invite u is because they will like to think their method works. It is an expression of faith in their own methods. If not they will be admitting they have been fools all along. No religious person will admit that. Not even to themselves.

Also the law of large numbers play into the hands of this people. Imagine that someone is chronically ill. And he has been taking a lot of treatments. But his body is yet to begin to show signs of improvement. Then he starts visiting different babalawos. As he is visiting the 4th babalawo, his body begins to show improvement. He is going to start believing that babalawo 4 is powerful. But the truth is that 20 other people have visited babalawo 4 that year. And none of them got healed. The patient is lucky that his body has begun to respond to the real treatment. But because he is a slowpoke and a Nigerian, he probably starts believing babalawo 4 is the best thing since suya and telling everyone about it. Unfortunately the next 3 guys that visit the babalawo based on his recommendations died from their illness. But no one will announce that. We only announce success not failures. So babalawo still keeps getting visitors while maintain his 1:20 sucess-to-failure ratio. Mind u, the success itself is a fluke.

luvmijeje:
But some do. If there's no solution, no one will still be going there.

Lol. There is none. The problem is just that there is an unlimited supply of morons. Usually it is not the guys u see there last year that u see there this year. Some go there and when it fails, go to some other places. They keep going round and round until something gives or they just fade away.

luvmijeje:
Don't you see people going to spiritual center for issues the hospital can't find solution to. Haven't you heard of a medical doctor advising patients to seek for alternative solutions to their issue.

U mean the lazy doctors who forget scissors and scalpels in people's body. U mean the average Nigerian doctor who will give any excuse for his failure?

Why am I not surprised?

luvmijeje:
Religion is already giving an explanation. That's why people's goes to spiritual center for healings.

Because people go somewhere for something doesn't mean they found answers there. Also I can give an explanation that the earth is resting on a back of a giant turtle. But have I actually given a reasonable explanation?

princfred:
Children are very confident about things they believe are true. You only know you were stupid as a child believing certain things now that you are an adult not then. Can you convince a child that a ghost wont carry him when alone in a dark room? Could you be convinced then how stupid you were to think so then?was your mind and exposure not limited against your believe then? Are they not still limited now? Can you believe against your limited exposure and mind now?

Again only time and exposure can teach you somethings if you want to learn. You also have fredom to not know even against reality depending on the limits of your exposure and mind.

First u claimed children believe they know it all. Now after I corrected u instead of u to accept correction, u decided to change the wording to "children are confident in things they believe are true". Very sneaky.
And yes u can convince children that no ghost will carry him in a dark room. Some children do sleep in dark rooms alone. You are just generalising to make a point that isn't there.
Time and exposure can teach me some things. But when I ask u with the time and exposure to expose me to what u have been exposed to by real evidence u start dancing galala up and down the thread.

Guy shift abeg.

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MrPRevailer:
You are definitely cocky and not a good reader. Didn't I say I was there watching? None of all this crappy science drama you shat here happened. And besides, a stranger (mostly decent working class) may stop to answer questions but the probability of him playing tennis is 5%, excluding the fact that they don't play tennis. They can't stoop so low to begin wasting their time with low lifes.

Andrenaline ko, hormones ni.

I just gave a more plausible explanation than what u gave. And I know this because I have been among those guys u mentioned. When I was younger I had older guys in the area that I look up to and they let me see how the grift was carried out. I bet u also think Houdini was a real magician. Lol.
You stated in your story that they called him to resolve a dispute. That's how they get u sucked in. This is exactly the modus operandi those my guys used to use. I won't be surprised if u and I probably have crossed paths before. Perhaps u were one of our victims. You are now so ashamed of ur stupidity that u now want believe it was a spiritual attack.
Sorry eh.

princfred:
If the spiritual became too rampant physically, it will no longer be spiritual. If the invisinble become too visible it will no longer be invisible, if the paranormal interfers soo much with normal, it will become the new normal and will create chaos , servitudinal paronia and underdevelopment in humans. You ask for chaos to to given order just to prove things that are not necesary to be proven. There is essence and purpose to the order as it is.There is more to emperical than emperical as is known.

Lots of words. Nothing actually said. No one will read this and take u seriously.

princfred:
NPcomplete, I have been watching some if your posts recently i may not be inclined or disposed to explain soo much but what i can say and you have to know is without doubt there us God, we are not alone and the human intelligience and the power of emperical assessment as you know it, is highly limited and not enough to grasp/judge things beyond it but one is not supposed to know that for his own good/balance (imagine your sense of judgement as a child yet then you probably tought you knew it all only fir you to griw and fund out you didnt know much then).

In due time you may know.

Nonsense.
I didn't think I knew it all when I was a child. No one ever did. So where did u get that nonsense idea from? As a matter of fact, children are even less confident about the things they know than adults. That's why they are so impressionable. What are u even talking about?

No one has argued that human intelligence is not limited here. As a matter of fact we actually argue it is. That is why we need evidence before believing anything. So far u are yet to say anything reasonable in this post.

It is voodoo believers selling snake oil that actually believe otherwise. You are the ones claiming u know things there isn't evidence for. Thereby claiming ur own intelligence is unlimited. And when we ask for evidence u start rambling like u did with this post.

Joagbaje the scammer. That fake healing episode was so bad for him that he changed his moniker to a woman's name. Chai!! All these frauds calling themselves Christians.

servercodes001:
So,
A man touched by someone he doesn't know and he immediately handed over his money he just collected from the bank, it's the science of the mind for an adult to give his entire money and cry afterwards??

Do you mean people choose to become insane and roam around after someone buried items on their doorstep, why do they become Normal again after it's dugged out and destroyed

I can give you thousands of examples, please tell me whether all this are setups for entertainment or deceit

The problem I have with this kind of stories is that there is no proof for it. Even you claiming this haven't seen anyone it actually happened to right on the spot. It is just anecdotes u are sharing here like it happened to u.
Trust me, if such things happened it will be more rampant. All these hungry boys need to do is go to the front of a bank and start touching everyone that comes out of there. Why even stop at money? Why not touch them and ask them to hand over the deeds for their lands. Or sign over their shops and companies. It is intellectual laziness that cause people like u to believe these stories.

There is another thread where u have all been asked to provide evidence for all these claims. That thread led to the OP creating this thread. None of u could provide evidence there. Yet u all ran here to continue pushing stories that u couldn't prove. Lol.

servercodes001:
Of course,
No matter what others say spirits do exist I've once seen a possessed woman, she threw away six men holding her, she was misbehaving and her eyes were truly scary, I was one of the men and the power In her hands wasn't normal, there's no way a woman can be that strong. The windows were strongly banged when she shouted, the windows were outside a 1st floor and no one can get near them, I ran away very scared, I thought about all the occurrences, they're very real and true . that's the very time I believed about spirits

Nonsense story. This doesn't prove anything.
If anything we can't even trust ur recollection of the events since u are biased towards spiritual nonsense so we can only assume that this story is colored by that bias.

There is a show on TV that I used to watch. I have forgotten the name. It is on one of those science channels. And on this one episode, they were talking superhuman strengths and the limits of human strength. In the episode this one 60+ year old woman has a son. The son was working under his truck, a big truck, and the contraption he was using to hold the truck up failed. The truck fell on the guy and injured him. The mother called 911 then as she saw her son crying in agony she decided to lift the truck up and off her son until help came. And that is what she did. She lifted the truck up and held it up while her son was still under it. She held it for a while till the ambulance arrived. Everyone was surprised she was able to do it.

The truth is that we don't know how strong someone is just by looking at them. Given the right motivation and circumstances, people can be stronger. And mentally disturbed people are even sometimes stronger during their psychotic episode.

I am sure that woman didn't throw off 6 people at the same time. That's if u aren't even lying about the 6 people and embellishing the story to give it weight. It is possible she was just throwing them off 2 at a time. Because it is hard for 6 people to conveniently hold down one person effectively. There's just not enough space and body parts to hold. Only about 2 of them will have the most effective hold. And if those people are also concerned about their own safety and trying to minimize any injury they can receive from the patient, their grip will be even less effective.

MrPRevailer:


One happened in my area. These yoruba people call strangers to come and settle a dispute in table tennis they are playing. if the person responds positive to their request, the person doesn't know himself again. And they will tell him to play and bet whatever he has. Even if he can't play tennis, he will agree because he is no longer with his sense. He will lose his phone, money everything he had. One of my friends was telling me this. Until one day I witnessed it first hand. I rejected their advances. In my sight, they charmed a man and collected his phone that looked very expensive from him.(on Sunday). My mouth was wide open. They were threatening me that what I'm I looking at? I threatened to call the police on them. Since then, they limited their operation. But I know it's God that used me to stop their evil practises.

Definitely, witchcraft, charm are real.

This guy too dey lie.
Which is it? Did they limit their operation or did they stop entirely? U were just making up that story up as u were writing it.

Those guys don't use jazz. They appeal to your greed. First they make u play someone who is very easy to beat for some small money and u will bet your money and win. They might make u do this twice or more. One of them will probably seemingly be on your side telling u about how that guy is a fool who has a lot of money but loses it during a bet and how u can make easy money playing him.

Then they raise the stakes and make u stake something more. The greed and the promise of an easy reward will make u stake something worth more than the meagre rewards you have gotten in the last few games combined. This can be your phone or anything valuable on u. At that moment u are no longer thinking. You are pumped up with adrenaline and the thought of making money u didn't even plan to make that day.

What u don't know is that that guy u just beat twice or thrice is the best tennis player in that area. He plays tennis for a living and he has mastered the board and the paddles u are using like the back of his hand. All of a sudden the table (pun intended) has turned around. That loser who loses all his money in bets is now suddenly nimble and displaying skills that u probably haven't seen in most tennis players. Then u realise u are in trouble. You just staked the most valuable thing on u and u are now losing the game. This apprehension hinders ur game further. It doesn't take long for u to start begging and asking for another try to win back what u just lost. And, if u are stupid, probably stake another valuable thing on u.

Don't ask me how I know all this. Let's just say I know some bad guys.

toyosi20188:
By the way, if the 'smart' Christians you know had told you the truth in its raw form, they wouldn't seem so smart to you.

A truth is not in its raw form if u cannot back it up with proof. U can claim all u want that u own a pink unicorn that farts rainbows but even if u do it can never be a raw truth unless u prove it and bring the unicorn before us so it produces some iridescent flatulence at the very least.

toyosi20188:
No offense meant, but I have noticed you have an inclination to use foul words.

Yeah. The same as u like to associate people with the devil.

Ihedinobi3:
Did you fail to see the contradiction between your both paragraphs?

What's contradictory there? 100 is many. 50, 000 is also many. Take a guess which number I consider Christian morons.