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Gabriel99:
And who told you that the members are marching backwards, have anyone come to you for help? So unguided in your utterances. How does it relate to the nonsense you typed above. Learn to be happy for good things so that you'll experience goodness

Lol mumu. Most of the people complaining of hardship and jobloss are members of those churches marching on. If ur head is not working, get a new one. Don't expect me to spoon feed u.

Gabriel99:
Canal talk. Talk is cheap. I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it . Matt 16:18.
Your opinion is of no relevance. The church must grow. No one is stoping you from making a giant stride, stop acting like a hypocrite and bless Jesus for this awesome work, instead of making claims you don't know. To whom brain is given, sense is expected!

Another religious morøn.
The church is marching on and the members of the church are marching backwards lol. More hardship for them. More job losses. More inflation. But who cares. The church is marching on. Even all the politicians stealing the money the people should use are in the church marching on with it.
Fool.

fahren:
I will try to be very civil with you, I started my post answering your question, or you didn't read what you wrote? Let me remind you, you said
funny thing is this miracle is not replicated in the areas you mentioned, and I answered your post by saying that miracles were replicated in the areas you listed in time past,

Maybe you didn't know that the church was responsible for the early schools and hospitals in Nigeria,

You are still not addressing the bone of contention here. How is that a miracle. Enenche keeps claiming building his church is a miracle and my argument is that it isnt if not why is such same miracle not springing up equally magnificent schools, institutions and industries if it were not for the patronization of political powers. Now u came out of nowhere and claimed that the schools built by missionaries are miracles. Really?

fahren:
Such miracles have been replicated greatly by The Mission in diverse areas such as health care, education and infrastructure in Nigeria in the 18th and 19th centuries when the mission handed over to Nigeria the early schools such as CMS Grammar School Lagos, Baptist Boys High School Lagos, Mary Knoll Cross River, and many Schools and hospitals,

if you are sincere with your submission, the question then should be what happened to everything the mission ever handed over to Nigeria?

Just look at this one. How was the schools and healthcare provided by the missionaries a miracle. They didn't even claim it was. Only a ridiculously religious mind will call what they did a miracle. It was a normal thing they did and most of them did it with the help of their government. Say what you know.

Mailthaddeus:
How can u be so sure they are not telling them? U sound as if u don't know Nigerian Government. Same Government who have a senior pastor as its Vice President and a core Muslim as its President. I doubt anything can shake this government.

This is why we must keep calling them all out and exposing their bullshit until something gives. The people in as well as the religious leaders that benefits from them.

Mailthaddeus:
Tell that to ur government, not to private individuals who committed their hard earned resources to build a befitting place for God. Biblical David did same and God was happy.

Tell ur government to take care of ur developmental needs, not a pastor who u don't even believe in.

Unfortunately those pastors are closer to the government than I am. So they are in a better position to tell them all these things u want me to. But instead they will rather collect their share of the government loot and keep mum. You will never see them calling out anyone on their pulpit. And that money they collect is part of what u are calling hard earned money now. Is that foolishness?

pastie:
As stated above, he has done what interested him, He is not the government therefore you can only question his source of wealth if it is ill gotten.

What has your stupid statement got to do with my comment? Are u having a bad day you decided to quote the wrong person?

Izychi:
Bros even those stadia you're talking about, all those other engineering wonders.... Go and ask those behind the works, they would tell you that had an inspiration... Some would tell you they saw it in a dream or something like that. Go and do your research very well. Most of the advances you see in technology or engineering, the creators would tell you "the idea just dropped in their head". If you doubt me go and ask R.G. Letourneau, George Washington Cavar, The guy that invented lesser beam (I've forgotten his name).
So don't be angry when they give credit to the source of their inspirations....

I see my point flew over your head. Here let me help you.
You are talking about inspiration. But the man never mentioned that. He specifically said revelation. So what are you talking about?
And if a man claims he has a revelation from God only to then produce a result that does not even come close to the best results achieved by atheists and irreligious people, do we now say his god is less effective than the mind of the atheist?
This is why I advocate people leave God out of their nonsense.

eneojoedu:
we have seen, we have seen, Good, name them.

I can't help your ignorance. The internet is there to help you. There's something called Google, you know.

There were things I would see in the revelation and would tell them and they would do it and it turned out to become excellent.

All these pastors and their need to spiritualize simple things sef. Anything to create a miasma of mysticism around an otherwise normal result, I guess. Can anyone tell me something special about the building that hasnt been done anywhere else before? We have seen great feats of civil engineering that dwarf this one by orders of magnitude. How come none of those real engineering feats needed special revelation?
And he keeps talking about the roof and lack of pillars like it is something special that the world has never seen before. But we know of numerous and gigantic stadiums with roofs. Not just any roof. Retractable roofs.
So can anyone point to me anything that needs spiritual interpretations and revelations in this? I am waiting.

The truth is that we will never know how the church was built. We will never know how much of our collective wealth was donated there by unscrupulous politicians seeking favour from God and support from men. We will never know how much underhanded deals went into realising that project. All we will keep hearing is that it was a miracle.
Funny thing is such miracles are never replicated in building industries, raising the education level, and bringing up innovations the world has never seen before. At this rate in the next 30 years while other nations will be known for their giant strides, Nigeria will only be known for its big cathedrals and mosques.

Blitzerz:
Where the meat is,
Is where vultures will gather.

Lol. You mean carrion, right?

Originakalokalo:
Jesus exists because of the evident change in my life ..

and because of things I have used the name to do.

I don't believe any of those pictures of Jesus around....

but Jesus is Lord.

While I believe Jesus must have existed, this your evidence is ludicrous at best. There are people that pray to other imaginary gods and have better results than u can ever dream of. Does that mean their gods are real?
This is 2018. We will soon be in 2019. Christians should start learning to answer questions sensibly.

DabuIIIT:
Guy,look well o,that's a puff adder there o,very highly venomous

That's not a viper. Vipers have more triangular heads. Also their skins have much more visible scales. That's clearly a snake of the Pythonidae family.

Fraud.

efe35L:
Occultism as Christ?? So prophets that see vision dont have a 6th sense?? Do not make me laugh! Genesis 32:30
So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.

We all have a pineal gland. Its all in us. This is no occult

Lol. This moronic fraud is just digging himself into a deeper hole. So because Jacob called the place Peniel so it refers to the pineal gland right? If u had anybody supporting u before u have now succeeded in alienating them. It doesn't take anything more than reading this your comment to see how foolish u are. Obviously your pineal gland isn't working. If it was u won't be so senseless

Anas09:
I have a strong feeling that this guy is one of those old 3eyed monikers who registered a new account pretending to be MFM member.

He most probably is. Lol

Ihedinobi3:
Oga, there is such a thing as inference. One can draw conclusions from what else one knows.

If you ask a number of atheists if they will submit to God if He actually shows up and presents Himself to them so that they have undeniable proof of His existence and they say no, then regardless whatever else they say, evidence for God's Existence is not their problem.

Again, I will tell you: you and your experience are not the sum total of knowledge. There is much more happening than you have experienced. Assuming some kind of intellectual superiority in each and every encounter you have just because of what history you have is folly in the extreme.

Finally, you quoted me. Go and read what I said again so that you can actually address it correctly.

Let me even let that argument go and bring up another argument. How does atheists not submitting to your god stop you or your god from proving his existence especially since he has been shown in the bible to be very keen on that especially.
It is like saying because I don't believe a platypus is a good pet, there is no need for u to prove that a platypus exists.

Ihedinobi3:
Well, for someone as arrogant as you showed yourself to be with your introductory post, dishonesty is not particularly surprising. Here's the comment that you were talking about. Compare that to the text I put in bold in your post above:

Honest atheists that I have encountered even here on Nairaland have admitted straight out that their problem is not evidence, that rather they don't like God and don't want to submit to Him.

Source: https://www.nairaland.com/post/72845504

That is all that needs to be said in response to your claims above. The link to the thread is available to all and sundry. I don't need to interpret it like you evidently believe that you do.

That's like saying they said we don't care about evidence for God. And u know u are lying.
The major argument all atheist make is that there is no evidence for God. And when u tell them there is, they ask u to show them. I know this because I have had many arguments with them about it. And many honest one I know admit they will reconsider once they see an unimpeachable evidence. But u have decided to lie and call the minority that said they won't submit, not that they don't care for the evidence, after they see evidence "honest". Because that relieves u of the burden of actually trying to prove your God exists. Something u could have done in the first page if u actually have any real evidence instead of all the pointless text u have been writing from page 1.

nwabekeyi:
those pythons are big enough to mate. Even at about 1.5m for an african rock python, they are mating already

Don't help that idiot. I want to finish the fool. Lol

Ihedinobi3:
Does your not being an atheist give you some kind of exclusive licence on truth? You joined this forum in 2014. I joined it early in 2012. Don't assume that the world began when you first noticed it. Here's the link:

https://www.nairaland.com/1025408/quick-question-those-dont-believe

You are being dishonest and u know it. Your initial argument was that the main arguments of "honest" atheists on Nairaland is that they don't care for evidence that God doesn't exist. They just won't submit.
But the thread there shows that many people will be happy to see evidence. Submitting is another different matter. Some even rightly pointed out that evidence for one is evidence for more than one so they will rather follow the one that they agree with.
No atheist or irreligious person I ever met has claimed they don't care about evidence for God.

Kirinwa:
If your own brain was functional you wouldn't mention mating. Are those not pythons? Are they grown to talk about mating.

Mumu what is the smallest possible size of a sexually matured python? Let's start from there. You morons just rush to comment without thinking. I have been making quick work of u idiots all day. You will just be my latest victim.

So answer the question. What is the smallest possible size of a sexually matured python? Let the schooling begin. Another idiot is about to get it.

Ihedinobi3:
Honest atheists that I have encountered even here on Nairaland have admitted straight out that their problem is not evidence, that rather they don't like God and don't want to submit to Him. I expect you to get there soon although I hope you turn around before you do.

Creation itself is very vivid testimony to great power and there is no honest way to explain it than God. The same is true of the human conscience that has prevented the human race from destroying itself and of physical death which no human being has ever managed to escape.

Anyone can claim to see no evidence even when surrounded by it in preponderance. So, I don't believe that there is any problem of evidence at all.

This is the problem with Christians. Too many lies. Mention 2 Nairaland atheists that have admitted this. I am not even an atheist but I am well acquainted with most atheists arguments here and elsewhere. If no one will call out this shameless lie I will.

jidxin:
snakes ain't stoopid they definitely mate in bush not even close to where humans resides. I'm not trying to confirm his story but your own assertion is wrong as well

Lol. So u don't see the bush in the surrounding in that picture there? Do u know where they saw the snakes and killed them before dragging them out in the open?

Also I have seen snakes mating close to residential areas before. Saw enough while growing up. That's why mating was the first thing that came to my mind. You obviously don't know what u are talking about.

FreelanceRebel:
Snake do now mate in open field. they do it in cool environment.
I can accept another reasoning.

Did they tell u it was the open field. Do u know where those religious idiots saw the snake before deciding to kill them and exhibit them in the open?

Akposkool:
sharap so why did they die after fvcking?
Idiot

Ask God to heal your brain. You are so stupid u can't realise how stupid u are. Where in the story did they say the snake died after fucking.

All these religious nincompoops sef. U can't even read. Mumu

Fraud

Coloradvantage:
I think they wear trying to mate. after the marathon rounds they did at night.. day met them outside instead of the Bush. the male was trying to go one more. and the female was like you won kill me.?? and that let to a fight.... nothing spiritual....

Lol

Fraud.
Hiding his dubious tendencies behind MFM and Christianity.

Everyone should ask him which bank he works for that the MD wants to promote him after being a fool for so long. All these hungry boys with fake stories sef.

Even the people who truly believe in pineal gland and astral projection will be ashamed of this blatant lie and appropriation of MFM

efe35L:
Your a gigantic fool. So Jesus, Elijah, Peter or Paul. Even Our G.O. Dr. Daniel DK Olukoya does not see?? Grow up boy I wont reply you again

Keep writing nonsense. I told u I am exposing you. And you are helping me do it. Lol

Keep writing nonsense so that everybody that comes here to read know your stand.

So Jesus and Olukoya uses pineal gland, dabble in the occult and do astral travel right? I am loving this.

This guy is not just a fraud. He is also unbelievably dumb.

efe35L:
Lol did i tell u to do spiritual bath or to chant books of demons? Didnt i just list the requirments??dont be a fool abeg. So being born with a pineal gland is occultic?

Stop being a knave. Everyone has a pineal gland. Nobody is arguing against it. The question is can it be used for occultist things like visiting and seeing other dimensions like u quack mörôns claim? No.
Also u haven't answered my question about why u are claiming to be MFM when we know MFM does not believe in seeing other dimensions and astral travel and other occult functions idiots like u claim the pineal gland is used for. You are just being evasive and foolish enough to think I will let it go. You are a fraud. And I have exposed you already.
I will keep announcing to the world that u are a fraud. Until u change your ways or fade into obscurity like the 3rd eye fools that came before you.

Fraud.

It seems every year we get one new idiot coming to sell fake 3rd eye that never works on Nairaland. And when u ask them for definitive proof they will close their account and run away.

Nobody should fall for this trick. If this idiot can't produce verifiable evidence. He should be laughed at by sane people.

Also this lying fraud should stop using MFM to spread his lies. MFM does not teach about third eye and visiting other dimensions. This guy is definitely trying to package occultism as MFM teaching so he can scam people. Don't fall for it!!!